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Republicans losing because of social issues?
Ihmotepp
Member Posts: 14,495
I've said it for a long time, way before this last election. Republicans have to give up the anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage, drug war, teach creationism in schools junk if they want to get anywhere.
Seems like it's coming true, but maybe this has nothign to do with it and people just don't like their economic policies.
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The largest growing minority in the U.S are staunch Catholic Hispanics so i don't see why the GOP should drop anti-abortion.
Because the Hispanics don't vote solely on issues like abortion probably. Things like how the GOP have been slandering Sonia Sotomayor are more important to them currently.
Check any poll to verify that.
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I actually agree with the republican stance on most non-social issues. So, while I can't agree for anyone but myself, I do agree with this.
It just seems like I can't back them on any social issues at all.
Guess who voted against or for prop 8 in California.
Spare me with the liberal race baiting.
Source? Or did you just make it up?
If we're talking strictly faith. Atheism/Agnosticism seems to be the fastest mover. Since 1990, Christian religions have fallen (percentage wise) while other faiths have gained. Most notably, non-belief, which has more than doubled in numbers.
http://b27.cc.trincoll.edu/weblogs/AmericanReligionSurvey-ARIS/reports/p1a_belong.html
People are finally seeing reality and rejecting the scare tactics that were invented to control them. Get over it.
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Race baiting? You mentioned Hispanics and the GOP has been slamming Sotomayor and polls show the people didn't like it.
This is funny, but it probably shows in a nutshell why conservatives really lose people.John McCain said actually said all of this.
"TO MICHAEL!"
People no longer vote on morals and values, they vote on who will give the most handouts.
The comment about hispanics voting republican because of their religious beliefs in regards with abortion is like saying blacks will vote republican because of their religious beliefs in regards to homosexuals.
It's about the handouts, nothing more. Whomever promises the most money for social programs win.
I think that's about as far from true as possible.
If you said people don't vote morals and values, then gave something else that they do vote on I'd agree, but social programs? Most people that I run into on a regular day couldn't tell you what social programs operate in their neighborhood.
People still vote mostly with their morals.
Like not killing innocent people in the middle east, not torturing people, not leaving children out to die because they don't have health care, etc.
Ya know, real morals.
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I think that's about as far from true as possible.
If you said people don't vote morals and values, then gave something else that they do vote on I'd agree, but social programs? Most people that I run into on a regular day couldn't tell you what social programs operate in their neighborhood.
Depends on which nieghborhoods we're talking about. I'm talking about the nieghborhoods that you refuse live in, but embrace so much as a party.
Republicans are losing because their ideology is outdated, and this will continue to be a snowball effect as long as they don't change.
When someone is "winning" or "losing" in the US Govt. that means that it's not the govt. it's supposed to be... I offer no suggestions just saying.
I find it amazing that by 2020 first world countries will be competing to get immigrants.
So, they need to be someone they are not to get elected. And then what? Just do the opposite once in house and lie about everything they had just said?
Of course its the economic policies. People vote with their wallet. People didn't like how much money was being spent on the war. They could care less about the war and more about how much gas costs. It does not matter whether the war was right or wrong if gas was $4 a gallon.
When a piscating wizard floods every thread I can understand why people leave.
Boy, you hit the nail on the head on that statement.
Perhaps instead it's the people that need to change? If republicans change then they are no longer republicans and why vote for them then? If you did vote for them, your just voting for people that will say anything to get elected. No real difference in what's happening now but still.
When a piscating wizard floods every thread I can understand why people leave.
Things like how the GOP have been slandering Sonia Sotomayor are more important to them currently.
So Why Did Hispanics Support the Demacrats After they Slanderd Miguel Estrada?
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
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I think this is wishful thinking. Or maybe they aren't as "staunch" as you think. It seems teh White Evangelicals are the ones that support anti-abortion and the Republicans, the Hispanics not so much:
"The Republican Party is facing formidable demographic challenges," Kohut wrote in a report describing the new Pew findings. "Its constituents are aging and do not reflect the growing ethnic and racial diversity of the general public. As was the case at the beginning of this decade, Republicans are predominantly non-Hispanic whites (88%). Among Democrats, the proportion of non-Hispanic whites has declined from 64% in 2000 to 56%, as Latinos and people from other racial backgrounds have joined the ranks of the Democrats."
On cultural -- as opposed to economic -- matters however, the country appears to be moving decisively towards greater social tolerance: One of the biggest attitudinal changes over the past two decades among voters, Pew found, has been on public views towards homosexuals. The percentage of people who say "school boards ought to have the right to fire teachers who are known homosexuals" has fallen from 51 percent in 1987 to 28 percent this year. At the same time, the percentage who do not think school boards should be empowered to fire gay teachers has grown from 42 to 67 percent. Link
Here's another one:
PRINCETON, NJ -- More than 6 in 10 Republicans today are white conservatives, while most of the rest are whites with other ideological leanings; only 11% of Republicans are Hispanics, or are blacks or members of other races. By contrast, only 12% of Democrats are white conservatives, while about half are white moderates or liberals and a third are nonwhite.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/118937/Republican-Base-Heavily-White-Conservative-Religious.aspxI think that's about as far from true as possible.
If you said people don't vote morals and values, then gave something else that they do vote on I'd agree, but social programs? Most people that I run into on a regular day couldn't tell you what social programs operate in their neighborhood.
Depends on which nieghborhoods we're talking about. I'm talking about the nieghborhoods that you refuse live in, but embrace so much as a party.
What party is that?
Perhaps instead it's the people that need to change? If republicans change then they are no longer republicans and why vote for them then? If you did vote for them, your just voting for people that will say anything to get elected. No real difference in what's happening now but still.
The Republican Party wasn't always ruled by White Evangelicals. Their main agenda has not always been anti-gay, anti-abortion, teach Creationism in schools, and the War on Drugs (made popular by Reagan).
At one time Republicans actually wanted less government in people's lives not more intrusion and social restrictions.
How should I know?
Perhaps it may have had something to do with them having more visible representation in the Democrat party?
I don't think it really matters since that's ancient history though. What matters is current polling data, and Hispanics don't think highly of Republicans. But let's drop this herring that Precursor brought up and get back to the social issues, ok?
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Perhaps instead it's the people that need to change? If republicans change then they are no longer republicans and why vote for them then? If you did vote for them, your just voting for people that will say anything to get elected. No real difference in what's happening now but still.
The Republican Party wasn't always ruled by White Evangelicals. Their main agenda has not always been anti-gay, anti-abortion, teach Creationism in schools, and the War on Drugs (made popular by Reagan).
At one time Republicans actually wanted less government in people's lives not more intrusion and social restrictions.
At least there is one other person left alive who knows what the Republican party used to be about.
Look at Ron Paul, he's a pretty good example of what Republicans used to be about, and, what they should be again.
Perhaps instead it's the people that need to change? If republicans change then they are no longer republicans and why vote for them then? If you did vote for them, your just voting for people that will say anything to get elected. No real difference in what's happening now but still.
The Republican Party wasn't always ruled by White Evangelicals. Their main agenda has not always been anti-gay, anti-abortion, teach Creationism in schools, and the War on Drugs (made popular by Reagan).
At one time Republicans actually wanted less government in people's lives not more intrusion and social restrictions.
At least there is one other person left alive who knows what the Republican party used to be about.
Look at Ron Paul, he's a pretty good example of what Republicans used to be about, and, what they should be again.
Can 't support Ron Paul. I've met him and he's to far off in Crazy Town for me. The Gold Standard, and pull every single soldier in the world back behind US borders? Neither one is probably a good idea.
I don't think it's possible for the Republicans to get back to those roots without booting the Evangelicals from the party, or at least telling them no to their social agenda.
You can appeal to a lot of people with an agenda of smaller government, less taxes, and free but well regulated markets. But not if at the same time you tell everyone they aren't welcome because of who they are.
You're a woman? Well, shut up and have a child if you get pregnant. You're gay? You're going to hell, and for God's sake don't ask for equal rights. You're not an Evangelical? Shut up and let us teach yoru kids Creationism in school.
Oh, and by the way, we're going to drink all the beer and liquor we want to, but if you smoke a joint we're throwing you in jail forever becasue drugs are evil!
Who's left? White Evangelicals, and that's all that's in the party rigth now.
I don't believe the Republican party should be defined by social issues, I believe they should be based upon how they believe the government should work.