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Love the game but the players are awful
admriker444
Member Posts: 1,526
Im loving the game with so much diversity. However, the players are really starting to annoy me. Its almost as if they've never played a mmorpg before cause they dont follow simple rules we all know.
Rule 1. Dont run TOWARDS another player with an aggro mob hot on your tail. That person will not appreciate having to die because you took on too much. I cant tell you how many times Ive died while mining or drinking milk to heal mana because some dumb kid decided to attack a lair of gnolls.
Rule 2. Dont just stand there and watch another player die. I've often heard from another player "im no priest, what did you want me to do ?" If it were me, I throw a quick curse not to KS but to reduce damage output of mob or Fear it away. Anything to help that person out. It takes me 2 sec to cast and I move on. I died 4 times in an hr yesterday at Everstill Lake area because a player would break one of these two rules. Its sometimes so bad, Ive watched a group of players watch a player die while they all laugh at him and do nothing. Then clear out the mob and take all the loot...sad.
Rule 3. ANSWER YOUR TELLS PEOPLE. Im so sick of hearing a spam "selling two hand sword, pst" and I respond only to get no answer back. I few times I went ahead and bugged the person till they responded. Usually the response was "well I already sold it, why bother answering you" This right here shows the mentality and maturity level of the players we're stuck with.
For the most part, the best players Ive seen are near Ironforge. Im guessing it has something to do with crafters taking patience and time. Ive actually met a few players who know how to take on superior mobs there. The groups in human lands though are just awful. I dont mind dying if we were just outgunned. However, I hate dying because players dont know basic combat strategies.
I sure hope these immature players max out and move on soon cause Im tired of it.
Thunderbolt
warlock lvl 20, Alleria server
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I suggest you take a lot at the RP servers. The difference is amazing.
You don't have to speak old english, just don't be out of character. You'll find the community there is incredibly helpful, mature and polite.
- argent dawn
I wont be switching servers. My friends and I already started on Alleria and Im not about to dump all the work I put into my toon just because BNet babies dont understand how to play a mmorpg.
I just logged in now to check my mail and do a bit of fishing. I had to listen to players discuss how he was gangraped by spiders. The others asked him if he took screenshots, etc.
I left and headed up Redridge mountains then. A nightelf started hitting the same Ogre I did but I left the mob alone even though I hit it first and moved on. I started hitting another orgre and sure enough the Nightelf shows up and tries to KS it from me (i obviously didnt need any help so it was flat-out attempt at KS). I said I dont need any help thank you and moved on. I encountered a small camp of ogres, nothing I couldnt handle with proper strategy. I usually send in the voidwalker at the toughest one, drop a rain of fire AOE attack then fear the other two away to give my voidwalker a breather. I then hit a few dots on the returning attackers, etc fear and repeat. Always works even if the mobs are 2-3 lvls above me. Guess what happens, the nightelf decides to attack a small camp to my right and sure enough I had 3 more ogres than I could handle on top of me. I died while he ran off.
With that snotty, elitist, greater-than-thou attitude I'd say you'd be much more suited to playing Everquest 2.
Oh no!!!! I mentioned Everquest 2!!!!!!!!
Elitist ? Im just following basic common decency that Ive seen in every mmorpg Ive played to date. Even in SWG, where KS was rampant Id still get a heal or help if I got jumped by 12 nightsisters. Maybe twice someone ran past me with an aggro mob on purpose but certainly NOT every single day like in WoW.
Maybe you think its okay to check your morals at the firewall door, but not me. I guess by calling me elitist you condone the actions of them.
The majority of "trained" mobs will run back to their original spawn point, no matter if a player spends the entire battle fighting right in front of you and die at your feet, the mob will run back if you never hit it. Second this game uses a flag system, if you hit the mob first its yours, even if they do the other 95% of the damage you got the first hit. So players by not helping you when your gonna die are preventing themselves from drawing agro while the mob resets itself and nothing says they have to help you, for all they know you could be a bnet baby yourself and shout out on general how they tried to KS you, sometimes being polite just isn't worth the grief. I agree that after playing CoH and WoW that communities in general have gone down hill. By making games so much more solo-oriented they've created players who do not want to have much to do with other people, and those times when they're forced to group or interact with others usually goes badly.
I'm no bnet baby, but I do let people die if they are going to pull. Half the time I'll spend clearing an entire camp of mobs to see somone run up and snag the chest I was aiming for, if they pull more agro then they can handle going for the box, I'll let them die and loot it myself, after all that was my goal in the first place. There are good people in game, hell I was depressed about WoW until the last few days when i finally made some decent friends, it just takes awhile lately.
There are ways to deal with situations and you come across as someone who's pissed off that the world has discovered MMORPGs and not someone who's glad to share their discovery.
If someone doesn't reply to one of my tells, I personally couldn't care less - no reply means they don't have anything to say - but how you deal with it is your business. I don't believe there's a strict procedure for such occasions.
"Don't just stand there and watch me die" is just plain arrogant to me. If someone throws me a heal or buff they'll find out quickly how grateful I am, but I certainly don't consider it anyones duty. Take responsibility instead of blaming others for your shortfalls.
And as someone just pointed out, in WoW aggro mobs will just return to their spawn point unless you attack them and take the aggro yourself, so that's effectively a moot point.
At the moment, my guess is that there are more people playing WoW who are new to MMOs than aren't, so why don't we give noobs helpful pointers and suggestions instead of using them as an opportunity to act like we're in the higher echelons of some imaginary aristocracy.
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"Flamers, beware! when you leave this earth, there is a very special place reserved for you down below with romantic bonefires scourching you bones!"
"I have no prejudices, I hate everyone equally regardless of race or religion"
"Been there, done that!"
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"Flamers, beware! when you leave this earth, there is a very special place reserved for you down below with romantic bonefires scourching you bones!"
"I have no prejudices, I hate everyone equally regardless of race or religion"
"Been there, done that!"
Exactly. So if you're within a monsters original aggro radius you were gonna get attacked by it anyway, and if the mob was attacking someone else then you have yourself to blame if you hit it and take aggro.
I miss DAoC
Yes mobs will return to their lair if I dont hit them but thats the problem right there. Im often using an AOE attack and sure enough some idiot will run through it and suddenly the 4 gnolls he had chasing him get hit because they run through it and turn on me.
As far as healing players and such, its seem that was standard behavior in the mmorpgs Ive played...eq1, daoc, ff11, swg, ac1, horizons, and even coh. Yes half the time someone would ks from ya there but they'd also drop a heal or buff on ya as they left. I can think of dozens and dozens of times where I was nearly dead fighting a mob on some street in CoH and out of nowhere someone would throw a heal on me and place a dot on the mob. Its just standard behavior in mmorpgs.
If you're standing there watching me die to me thats just wrong and I consider it griefing. I cant even believe this is debated here. Its like assuming everyone knows the sky is blue and yet here people think its more greenish. It takes 2 sec to heal or throw a buff someone's way or take one mob off me. And of course the saved person will show their appreciation in return. Thats why its called a mmorpg as in MASSIVE players, not solo rpg with instant messenger (which seems how everyone is treating this game).
Some of the people I still play mmorpgs with I met by saving them or vice versa. Thats the beauty of a mmorpg, working TOGETHER. The other poster showed the main problem with the treasure chest thingie. He and some other toon are fighting to sneak in there first and get it. The dam thing respawns quickly so there was no need to do that. They should have worked together like I do with others to accomplish their goal. Instead too often in WoW I see exactly that situation...player 1 runs in and tries to get the chest opened. Sometimes he succeeds and runs off leaving player 2 alone to face a mob. Or player 1 dies and player 2 dies as well because player 1 isnt around to help. My god people this is a mmorpg, not diablo 2 where its every man for himself.
No wonder I see so few guilds in WoW. And the few Ive seen arent even really a guild. I hear spam everyday "please sign my charter so I can start a guild, you dont have to hang with us, etc"
The guilds themselves in WoW (at least the ones Ive met) show the mentality of the players as well. With other mmorpgs, joining a guild is usually a big deal. With SWG, my guild recruited me because I was a well known armorsmith. I was actually wined and dined a bit. I also was invited (as a test) on a guild hunt to see how I interacted with other players. I helped on a raid of anchorhead the following night and afterwards was invited to join. It was a nice day, they gave me a house and some wooly hides to help my crafting out. In CoH, I was invited to a guild because it was the same players I kept fighting with in group missions nightly. I had proven my worth to them in combat and social roles so they knew me.
In WoW, I think maybe 7 times Ive been asked to join a guild out of nowhere. I always respond the same because at this point I almost feel like I need to teach these inexperienced mmorpg players. I tell them "first off, do I know you ? Secondly, how do you know Ill get along with fellow guildmates ? Maybe we share different beliefs, maybe they use foul language or racist remarks that might offend me. Maybe Im no good in group combat roles. Do you expect me to give free enchantments to fellow guildmates or at a discount ? A lot of questions that need to be addressed before I would even consider joining a guild. Of course these always leave the so-called recruiter stunned and weakly replies what I already knew.."i just want to get enough players to sign so I can start up" or no real reason at all.
While I have to empathize with admriker444 on his plights, I do not feel it's anyone's respopnsibility to heal, buff, or aid me in any way what so ever. I will assist those in need when able, but do not feel obligated to do so. I have also watched as people who I fell have overstepped their own abilities die horrible deaths.
There are many unhelpfull people playing WoW, but then again there are more unhelpfull people in the real world.
Pity people can't play a mmorpg like how they WOULD like to be treated in life. I can understand his point of view, I guess he is asking for common courtesy.
As far as being in an elitest group, well if your an experienced rpger you are... You may not act like it, but your in a special group that has a knowledge and experience that puts you above the rest. It has to be hard for the Diablo, Starcraft bunch to transition over to a mmorpg, that you are experienced in. That gives you an edge
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in a month or two, these people will stop playing..... then it'll be smooth sailing. and theres nothign wrong with getting another player killed, maybe they're doing it on purpose cuz its funny? thought about that? NR(no reply) = NT (no thanx), c'mon its simply knowledge.
I made a point of joining an RP server because i knew the community would be crappy from the onset. I ended up meeting some pretty good players anyhow, and i'm having a decent time. Once the idiots start dropping out, i'll really love this game.
As far as the GAME goes, this is the best i've played.
At the end of OB I actually did this intentionally on an Alliance toon(I was horde) on a PvE server. He was having a sit-down so I decided to make a little chocolate train on top of him. I ran through some mobs which I knew didn't have any slowing attacks, put on the /train
emote and ran straight through him. Muahahahah. You can hate me now but it was funny.
Luring monsters on others, even of a different faction, is just plain wrong - but hey... it was the end of beta. When you do it on someone of the same faction you deserve some serious whopping, but then again some newbs just don't know this - they just run for their lives (and of course it's better for the monsters to attack someone else, because then you yourself don't get killed. Noob logic).
I can't agree with you more. I've experienced the KSing, the runaway aggro train, the stand next to me and watch me die tactic, and the no-reply chats.
I can understand that sometimes, it's an accident. But it's happening alot. Grouping is another way of heading towards the cemetary. It's very rare to find a group that can actually hunt together. Just the other night, 5 of us were hunting in Redridge for the Orbs when one of my favorite game mechanics occur, a spawn right on top of you, thank you WoW. You think developers would figure this one out in the year 2004. Maybe the next gen game.
Anyway, the spawn is on top of us. My pet aggro's. I move back to start shootin arrows, my friend starts swinging away, while one guy is in the far corner doing absolutely nothing, another guy decided to go into the keep and look around, and the last guy decided he's going to take on another mob.
I said, "need help". No response. I'm dead. Friends dead. Guy in corner alive. Guy in keep dead. Guy fighting other mob dead.
Guy in corner says, "Sorry, GF on phone, was afk"
Guy in Keep says, "Sorry, just wanted to see if the boss was in here here" (for another quest).
Guy fighting other mob says, nothing.
The rare times that I can find guild mates and group up, it's a lot of fun, but grouping with strangers will most likely cost you a nice repair bill.
lol Galahede, you just put it perfectly.
It seems in every mmorpg for groups there needs to be certain aspects.
1. A tank... (someone with high hp, heavily armored, that knows how to draw aggro- usually does medium damage)
2. A healer... (someone focused on keeping that tank alive.. note** needs to be smart enough to refrain from the urge to attack the mob, as heals will always draw aggro.. another note** needs to be smart enough to only heal when needed.. as again, heals will always draw aggro.)
3. Damage dealer... (usually your mage type, sometimes an offensive melee type DAoC calls them berzerkers, WoW calls this type rogues, other then that... mage that makes things go BOOM) This person needs to focus on whatever the tank has aggro'd already, should not EVER pull or attack anything else... cuz soon as he/she does that mob sticks to them... then they become whats called a mana spunge. And esentially end up killing the group. The plus side to this one is, if used right they make xp go faster and stuff dies alot faster.
Those are the three ingredients for a good group. Tank, Healer, Damage dealer.
Problems lie where the person thats the tank, dont understand what their class is and build for a solo character. You can see these immediately, just look for your 2h warriors... if your warrior is 2h weapon... chances are this isnt the person ya want to group with.. warrior=tank should be def based. Warrior should have 1h and SHIELD.
Healers are a bit easier to deal with... you can see them screw up. "Listen priest, try to refrain from hitting this thing... if it breaths on ya the wrong way your dead... if your dead, the rest of us are in some serious trouble.. ok?????" If yer healer continues to attack, wasting mana, instead of healing... start looken for another, replace him when ya can.
Damage dealers are one of the hardest characters to play. Usually, low armor, low health, and high aggro. BTW... the majority of good healers.. HATE YOU GUYS... lol If the true tank cant pull of aggro thats on the DD... the healer ends up getten totally spent keeping these guys alive. It slows down the whole group pull rate.
Thing is, I have met very few people in WoW that have any idea what Im talken about here. Thats a truly sad thing... but, just because the majority of the community are newb, doesnt mean they are all jerks. If ya got the time, go ahead and form up a group... lead it, instruct them what your group is looken for. Teach them, and that way after they see how successful the group can be, they can take their insy bit of new knowledge and teach other newbs... Helping out the community as a whole. And on the PvP servers... if ya arent doing this already. Then your just hurting yourself later... remember its your side versus the other...
Oh,well... this was only suppose to be a reply post... lmao. I got kinda caught up.. sorry peeps. Hopefully some of ya vets out there may look at it a bit differently, and any of ya boots out there, learn just a lil bit from this.
DH
admriker
Maybe you demand too much of people, compared to your own experiences, and there always will be people to screw up your fights with mobs, some of them just have lack of overview, some are stupid, and jesus christ some of them even do it on purpose, which i wouldnt tolerate either. My suggestion would be to notice where these type of people usally roam, so you can switch to another pleaceful area, because WoW is really big, theres plenty of mobs everywhere, ofcourse this does not apply to killing quest mobs, but for getting normal exp, it is a solution.
Cheers Hoger
Hope you guys over at US have a better time than me in europe
if someone says SELLING........ then you say no thanks because he don't want the thing so somebody else would like it . if somebody asks do you wonnahelp me out i wonna do it but proballyi would be the only one becaue if you attack someone or something you have to think first
i'm starting up a guild divided in guilds so if i ask someone for help he gonna help me if he is a black templars (thats my clan) so do not 
on everyone we wonna have some fun
hey , i'm an active (probaly only ) member of the black templars i gonna play wow but because i'm european i'll have to wait untill januari if you wonna e-mail me : realBIG_freak@msn.com or jonasvancauter@skynet.be
The point to my first reply was that this happens in every MMORPG, why bring it up as a unique issue on the WoW boards. Noobies are always bad players, but they will learn. Making a post like this so recently after the launch does not serve any purpose. Just my 2 c.
There are an extreme number of players who are new to the MMO genre in WoW. This is a fact. Its up to the people who aren't new to teach these peeps how to play. You can leave them to it and hope they discover it by themselves but this would take years. Why? Because it took you, who are experienced, and me years to get to where we are now because there was no one to teach us, because we pioneered.
So lets not let the new players in this genre pioneer AGAIN. Teach them! Yes you will die in the process. Countless times! Yes you will want to give up when you find out you just have the 999th healer being AFK in your party while the boss spawns. This will happen. But this will not stop happening unless we teach them that this shouldn't happen.
I usually play a class that can lead parties (I love the hunter and rogue for this in WoW), and I've been in quite a few parties with people I never met before. Usually one out of the 5 people in the party needed to be corrected or taught a thing from time to time, but the rest was fine. If I noticed it was 2 or more who didn't follow the party or do their responsibilities, I'd leave the party and try again starting from town recruiting new people. Sure you loose time. But time is not important.. only fun is important!
Conclusion: Adopt your newby today, and teach him all about gaming!
Cheers,
Nash
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