Y'know, the thing that always made me lol about EVE is how people always use WoW for insults, to show that EVE is far more hardcore, and that, essentially, EVE players are of a higher caliber than those WoWtards. The thing is, EVE is just as full of leet-speaking retards, incompetent players, morons, and people who act like angry teenagers as any other MMORPG I've played. Staying with EVE long enough to learn how it works simply means you're more tenacious and have more patience than the average WoW player. That's where the comparison ends though, the EVE community and the average EVE player are no better than the WoW community or the average WoW player in any tangible way. I've actually played and enjoyed EVE (and still consider it to be a good game), so I know this to be true... well, in my personal opinion, of course.
I'll agree with that. I am not playing EVE currently because my friends play LOTRO. I like EVE and consider it one of the best games out there. IT IS NOT FOR EVERYONE. That is probably one of it's best qualities. Just about anyone can play WOW, even LOTRO for that matter, it takes a cetain hard-core grit to play EVE and enjoy it. EVE players are like those people who drink Scotch and smoke Camels without a filter. They sit in low-sec with their Ships they trained hard and long to fly and wait for the new comers to fly into their web, it is their "second" life.
Yes there are many immature players in EVE. A Corp I played for once had a war dec'd on them... the only reason given was "I want to violence your Ship". Every game has it's immature players... that's a given.
Yes there are many immature players in EVE. A Corp I played for once had a war dec'd on them... the only reason given was "I want to violence your Ship". Every game has it's immature players... that's a given.
TBH That's not really a good example of 'immature' seeing as the whole point of EVE is PVP But yes, every game has it's fair share of immature players. Spend an hour in any of EVE's newbie corporations and you'll meet plenty of them. But "Wanting to violence your ship" isn't exactly 'immature' given that EVE is a game built entirely around PVP.
Granted: It's not very NICE.... but I wouldn't call it immature
Thankfully I'm above that nonsense Noir. only wardecs people someone paid us to wardec
Though if we're on an op in 0.0 or lowsec neutrals would be well advised to steer clear. While we don't typically HUNT neuts in lowsec we will in 0.0... and sometimes will in lowsec if our war targets are boring us too much
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
that guys got every right to say he doesnt like the game. you have to just deal with that.
i view eve like this. its like a large group of people i know started drinking straight lemon juice and telling people its something cool people drink. like the absinthe of juices. so a bunch of people start drinking it, dispite the fact that its sour as hell and everyone looks like senior citizens from an old coors commercial the second after they take a swig.
No its like bourbon. Some people are too whimpy to enjoy it
Staying with EVE long enough to learn how it works simply means you're more tenacious and have more patience than the average WoW player.
This speaks volumes, don't you think?
deviliscious: (PS. I have been told that when I use scientific language, it does not make me sound more intelligent, it only makes me sound like a jackass. It makes me appear that I am not knowledgable enough in the subject I am discussing to be able to translate it for people outside the field to understand. Some advice you might consider as well)
Originally posted by Enkindu This speaks volumes, don't you think?
It would speak volumes if EVE's player base seemed significantly more mature and/or intelligent than any other gaming community, but it really doesn't. It's just a small piece of the same pie: Drama llamas who bitch and troll the forums, leet-speaking people whom you can barely understand, immature jerkoffs who will talk smack like a twelve-year-old while hiding in stations... the list goes on.
I'm really not making fun of EVE's player base here. I'm making fun of EVE players who make fun of other player bases because they believe themselves to be superior.
Now I admire EVE, and I certainly wish it did have an elite, superior player base of mostly intelligent, mature people. Unfortunately, it seems to suffer from all the same pitfalls as any modern MMORPG community.
And for all of EVE's virtues, it does have its flaws. The joking claim that playing EVE is a lot like playing a spreadsheet isn't entirely baseless, for example. The fact that skills progress quite slowly and at a fixed rate doesn't appeal to everyone. Also, there is some truth to the assertion that you grind ISK for a day or three to replace a ship that got blown up in five seconds. I realize that this is in some ways a good thing, but EVE's cautious, expensive, tee-totalling approach to PvP doesn't appeal to people who want a lot of action quickly (not all of whom are leet-speaking teenagers).
Currently Playing: EVE Online Retired From: UO, FFXI, AO, SWG, Ryzom, GW, WoW, WAR
Y'know, the thing that always made me lol about EVE is how people always use WoW for insults, to show that EVE is far more hardcore, and that, essentially, EVE players are of a higher caliber than those WoWtards. The thing is, EVE is just as full of leet-speaking retards, incompetent players, morons, and people who act like angry teenagers as any other MMORPG I've played. Staying with EVE long enough to learn how it works simply means you're more tenacious and have more patience than the average WoW player. That's where the comparison ends though, the EVE community and the average EVE player are no better than the WoW community or the average WoW player in any tangible way. I've actually played and enjoyed EVE (and still consider it to be a good game), so I know this to be true... well, in my personal opinion, of course.
I tend to agree with the gist of your post. EVE definitely has it's fair share of asshats and jacktards but I wouldn't say that it's community is the same as WoW's community. The difference between the communities has very little to do with their average "Maturity" level. The difference is more like their 'outlook or long term view' ability.
EVE isn't something you play with a short term view. It's not really a game where you go "man I can't wait to get to my next level so I can use Y uber weapon" It's more of a "ok if I train these skills here in a few weeks I can fly this ship with this loadout". It's a bit more of a long-term planning view than an instant gratification 'oh I'll have it tomorrow' viewpoint. Granted WOW does have some longer term aspects to it but NOTHING l ike in EVE.
I will say this, however, having played both WoW (yes, I tried it and hated it) and EVE I will say that the EVE community is far more helpful, in general, towards newer players than WoW is. In EVE newer players are generally welcomed to the game and most vets will do their best to offer advice and even give items and gold to new players. In WoW, even when I WAS a new player I didn't ever see generosity or a welcoming attitude even close to that in EVE. For the most part new players are considered a nuissance and are ignored. Getting advice is like pulling teeth and many of the guilds/whatever are now so oriented to end-game raiding that they are a 'high level members only' club.
While EVE does have some corporations that have 'skillpoint' gates or 'you need to be able to do X' gates. In general your typical EVE corporation will accept anyone who's not on a trial account. And even that is more for a general corporation management sanity standpoint than a 'we don't like trial players' standpoint. It's a pain in the rear to keep track of who's active and who's not and who can be safely removed to make room for more members without throwing in trial players who may be there in a week or may not.
So, on average, while I agree with your 'maturity' statement that EVE and WoW really aren't all that 'different' in that regard they are VASTLY different in the other areas I've listed. At least in my personal experience.... and in that I know I'm not alone because pretty much everyone I've talked to who's played both agrees on that.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
This type of thinking goes out the door around age 15.
i know you might want to believe that theres a point where men grow up. but i think youll be hard pressed to find any woman, anywhere, that will tell you that men do in fact, grow up.
Do women ever reach a point that they don't say whatever?
that guys got every right to say he doesnt like the game. you have to just deal with that.
i view eve like this. its like a large group of people i know started drinking straight lemon juice and telling people its something cool people drink. like the absinthe of juices. so a bunch of people start drinking it, dispite the fact that its sour as hell and everyone looks like senior citizens from an old coors commercial the second after they take a swig.
No its like bourbon. Some people are too whimpy to enjoy it
I drink single malt Scotch before and Cognac after dinner. Bourbon is something my sister puts in coke.
that guys got every right to say he doesnt like the game. you have to just deal with that.
i view eve like this. its like a large group of people i know started drinking straight lemon juice and telling people its something cool people drink. like the absinthe of juices. so a bunch of people start drinking it, dispite the fact that its sour as hell and everyone looks like senior citizens from an old coors commercial the second after they take a swig.
No its like bourbon. Some people are too whimpy to enjoy it
I drink single malt Scotch before and Cognac after dinner. Bourbon is something my sister puts in coke.
Interesting.. had you pegged as a chocolate milk kinda guy.
deviliscious: (PS. I have been told that when I use scientific language, it does not make me sound more intelligent, it only makes me sound like a jackass. It makes me appear that I am not knowledgable enough in the subject I am discussing to be able to translate it for people outside the field to understand. Some advice you might consider as well)
Y'know, the thing that always made me lol about EVE is how people always use WoW for insults, to show that EVE is far more hardcore, and that, essentially, EVE players are of a higher caliber than those WoWtards. The thing is, EVE is just as full of leet-speaking retards, incompetent players, morons, and people who act like angry teenagers as any other MMORPG I've played. Staying with EVE long enough to learn how it works simply means you're more tenacious and have more patience than the average WoW player. That's where the comparison ends though, the EVE community and the average EVE player are no better than the WoW community or the average WoW player in any tangible way. I've actually played and enjoyed EVE (and still consider it to be a good game), so I know this to be true... well, in my personal opinion, of course.
I tend to agree with the gist of your post. EVE definitely has it's fair share of asshats and jacktards but I wouldn't say that it's community is the same as WoW's community. The difference between the communities has very little to do with their average "Maturity" level. The difference is more like their 'outlook or long term view' ability.
EVE isn't something you play with a short term view. It's not really a game where you go "man I can't wait to get to my next level so I can use Y uber weapon" It's more of a "ok if I train these skills here in a few weeks I can fly this ship with this loadout". It's a bit more of a long-term planning view than an instant gratification 'oh I'll have it tomorrow' viewpoint. Granted WOW does have some longer term aspects to it but NOTHING l ike in EVE.
I will say this, however, having played both WoW (yes, I tried it and hated it) and EVE I will say that the EVE community is far more helpful, in general, towards newer players than WoW is. In EVE newer players are generally welcomed to the game and most vets will do their best to offer advice and even give items and gold to new players. In WoW, even when I WAS a new player I didn't ever see generosity or a welcoming attitude even close to that in EVE. For the most part new players are considered a nuissance and are ignored. Getting advice is like pulling teeth and many of the guilds/whatever are now so oriented to end-game raiding that they are a 'high level members only' club.
While EVE does have some corporations that have 'skillpoint' gates or 'you need to be able to do X' gates. In general your typical EVE corporation will accept anyone who's not on a trial account. And even that is more for a general corporation management sanity standpoint than a 'we don't like trial players' standpoint. It's a pain in the rear to keep track of who's active and who's not and who can be safely removed to make room for more members without throwing in trial players who may be there in a week or may not.
So, on average, while I agree with your 'maturity' statement that EVE and WoW really aren't all that 'different' in that regard they are VASTLY different in the other areas I've listed. At least in my personal experience.... and in that I know I'm not alone because pretty much everyone I've talked to who's played both agrees on that.
Well one thing about EVE is a certain % of the players realize that to reach the upper levels you have to have people that are willing to help you and you have to be willing to help others. I'm not saying everyone in the game does this or that other games don't have similair features, but in EVE many players are always aware that they are just one apart of a bigger puzzle and that they are depending on others. I think this lends itself to a portion of the base being helpful, not because they are nice, but because they never know when they may need help.
True or False... once STO, KotOR, or JG:E releases, Eve's population is going to drop by 50+%.
I tried the demo, liked a lot of "things" about the game. However, it's not for me. I, too, like more interaction and the training just seems like a way for the developers to get monthly subs without people having to log on and use bandwidth.
Just my opinion. I'm a WoW burnout and GW noob BTW who really wants a good scifi MMO to play.
Unless one of those games has the depth and complexity to challenge eve they won't have much of an effect.
The fact that eve is science fiction is almost ancillary at this point.
That may be what leads people to try it. What gets people to STAY is how difficult and unique it is.
deviliscious: (PS. I have been told that when I use scientific language, it does not make me sound more intelligent, it only makes me sound like a jackass. It makes me appear that I am not knowledgable enough in the subject I am discussing to be able to translate it for people outside the field to understand. Some advice you might consider as well)
Y'know, the thing that always made me lol about EVE is how people always use WoW for insults, to show that EVE is far more hardcore, and that, essentially, EVE players are of a higher caliber than those WoWtards. The thing is, EVE is just as full of leet-speaking retards, incompetent players, morons, and people who act like angry teenagers as any other MMORPG I've played. Staying with EVE long enough to learn how it works simply means you're more tenacious and have more patience than the average WoW player. That's where the comparison ends though, the EVE community and the average EVE player are no better than the WoW community or the average WoW player in any tangible way. I've actually played and enjoyed EVE (and still consider it to be a good game), so I know this to be true... well, in my personal opinion, of course.
I tend to agree with the gist of your post. EVE definitely has it's fair share of asshats and jacktards but I wouldn't say that it's community is the same as WoW's community. The difference between the communities has very little to do with their average "Maturity" level. The difference is more like their 'outlook or long term view' ability.
EVE isn't something you play with a short term view. It's not really a game where you go "man I can't wait to get to my next level so I can use Y uber weapon" It's more of a "ok if I train these skills here in a few weeks I can fly this ship with this loadout". It's a bit more of a long-term planning view than an instant gratification 'oh I'll have it tomorrow' viewpoint. Granted WOW does have some longer term aspects to it but NOTHING l ike in EVE.
I will say this, however, having played both WoW (yes, I tried it and hated it) and EVE I will say that the EVE community is far more helpful, in general, towards newer players than WoW is. In EVE newer players are generally welcomed to the game and most vets will do their best to offer advice and even give items and gold to new players. In WoW, even when I WAS a new player I didn't ever see generosity or a welcoming attitude even close to that in EVE. For the most part new players are considered a nuissance and are ignored. Getting advice is like pulling teeth and many of the guilds/whatever are now so oriented to end-game raiding that they are a 'high level members only' club.
While EVE does have some corporations that have 'skillpoint' gates or 'you need to be able to do X' gates. In general your typical EVE corporation will accept anyone who's not on a trial account. And even that is more for a general corporation management sanity standpoint than a 'we don't like trial players' standpoint. It's a pain in the rear to keep track of who's active and who's not and who can be safely removed to make room for more members without throwing in trial players who may be there in a week or may not.
So, on average, while I agree with your 'maturity' statement that EVE and WoW really aren't all that 'different' in that regard they are VASTLY different in the other areas I've listed. At least in my personal experience.... and in that I know I'm not alone because pretty much everyone I've talked to who's played both agrees on that.
Unless one of those games has the depth and complexity to challenge eve they won't have much of an effect. The fact that eve is science fiction is almost ancillary at this point. That may be what leads people to try it. What gets people to STAY is how difficult and unique it is.
exactly, in my case at least
for me the complexity of eve has won me over until something even more complex comes along
even then, EVE is NOT hard to learn, its not really very complex, but its the most complex ive come across
its also a real player run MMO, with an actual difficulty level, and if youre sitting in an expensive boat, chances are you'll be thinking hard and long before you make any chess moves.
JGE from what ive read (and i have), seems more like WoW arena in an MMO enviroment, for the moment
it also doesnt have capital ships, nor does it have a real death penalty
to be honest, id rather see EVE improved upon, rather than a new startup action-based MMO
True or False... once STO, KotOR, or JG:E releases, Eve's population is going to drop by 50+%. I tried the demo, liked a lot of "things" about the game. However, it's not for me. I, too, like more interaction and the training just seems like a way for the developers to get monthly subs without people having to log on and use bandwidth. Just my opinion. I'm a WoW burnout and GW noob BTW who really wants a good scifi MMO to play.
STO isn't going to impact EVE, imo because I truely believe it is going to suck in spades.... everything I have read about it just leads more and more to my conclusion that it is:
"Yet another Pie-in-the-sky attempt at making a star trek game by people that don't understand star trek fans"
I hate to say this but I seriously think, despite my hopes that I DO turn out to be wrong, that STO is going to fail... and fail badly. The issues surrounding the developer haven't really helped my opinion in that regard either.
As to SW:TOR: Yes I can see EVE losing players to this one... I myself am VERY much looking forward to SW:TOR and if it lives up to my expectations (which I have every faith it will considering I've never played a BioWare game I haven't absolutely enjoyed) it will definitely have me making a hard decision on whether to keep playing EVE or not. But, imo, we won't see SW:TOR till 2011.
JG:E COULD draw EVE players away... hard to say... it REALLY depends on how they implement PVP and whether there's any real reason to PVP in it. I am fairly sure they plan to make PVP fully consentual which will probably kill a lot of it's draw for most of the 0.0 and lowsec EVE players... I could see it drawing players away though. Then again... the original Jumpgate did not do well so this one could follow the same path: A lot of initial interest then a very quick near-death that fades into complete obscurity. I played the original Jumpgate... which, while good, wasn't ever enough to keep me from leaving for other games and even if it had the same graphics quality as EVE does it wouldn't pull me from EVE, to be honest. It just lacked 'something'. Whether JG:E will have that 'something'? I dunno...
So I guess I am in the 'we will just have to wait and see' mode. If SW:TOR comes even close to being as good as I think it will, however, it will absolutely impact EVE's subscriber base. That is... depending on what CCP does... if ambulation hits and adds enough worthwhile content? EVE could just shrug SW:TOR off or a lot of players may just dual-game, which won't impact it's subscriber numbers but will impact it's "percentage of players online" (which is quite high compared to other MMO's)
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
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I'll agree with that. I am not playing EVE currently because my friends play LOTRO. I like EVE and consider it one of the best games out there. IT IS NOT FOR EVERYONE. That is probably one of it's best qualities. Just about anyone can play WOW, even LOTRO for that matter, it takes a cetain hard-core grit to play EVE and enjoy it. EVE players are like those people who drink Scotch and smoke Camels without a filter. They sit in low-sec with their Ships they trained hard and long to fly and wait for the new comers to fly into their web, it is their "second" life.
Yes there are many immature players in EVE. A Corp I played for once had a war dec'd on them... the only reason given was "I want to violence your Ship". Every game has it's immature players... that's a given.
TBH That's not really a good example of 'immature' seeing as the whole point of EVE is PVP
But yes, every game has it's fair share of immature players. Spend an hour in any of EVE's newbie corporations and you'll meet plenty of them. But "Wanting to violence your ship" isn't exactly 'immature' given that EVE is a game built entirely around PVP.
Granted: It's not very NICE.... but I wouldn't call it immature
Thankfully I'm above that nonsense
Noir. only wardecs people someone paid us to wardec 
Though if we're on an op in 0.0 or lowsec neutrals would be well advised to steer clear. While we don't typically HUNT neuts in lowsec we will in 0.0... and sometimes will in lowsec if our war targets are boring us too much
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
Hell people wardec small coprs just for the randsom sometimes.
No its like bourbon. Some people are too whimpy to enjoy it
This speaks volumes, don't you think?
deviliscious: (PS. I have been told that when I use scientific language, it does not make me sound more intelligent, it only makes me sound like a jackass. It makes me appear that I am not knowledgable enough in the subject I am discussing to be able to translate it for people outside the field to understand. Some advice you might consider as well)
It would speak volumes if EVE's player base seemed significantly more mature and/or intelligent than any other gaming community, but it really doesn't. It's just a small piece of the same pie: Drama llamas who bitch and troll the forums, leet-speaking people whom you can barely understand, immature jerkoffs who will talk smack like a twelve-year-old while hiding in stations... the list goes on.
I'm really not making fun of EVE's player base here. I'm making fun of EVE players who make fun of other player bases because they believe themselves to be superior.
Now I admire EVE, and I certainly wish it did have an elite, superior player base of mostly intelligent, mature people. Unfortunately, it seems to suffer from all the same pitfalls as any modern MMORPG community.
And for all of EVE's virtues, it does have its flaws. The joking claim that playing EVE is a lot like playing a spreadsheet isn't entirely baseless, for example. The fact that skills progress quite slowly and at a fixed rate doesn't appeal to everyone. Also, there is some truth to the assertion that you grind ISK for a day or three to replace a ship that got blown up in five seconds. I realize that this is in some ways a good thing, but EVE's cautious, expensive, tee-totalling approach to PvP doesn't appeal to people who want a lot of action quickly (not all of whom are leet-speaking teenagers).
Currently Playing: EVE Online
Retired From: UO, FFXI, AO, SWG, Ryzom, GW, WoW, WAR
I tend to agree with the gist of your post. EVE definitely has it's fair share of asshats and jacktards but I wouldn't say that it's community is the same as WoW's community. The difference between the communities has very little to do with their average "Maturity" level. The difference is more like their 'outlook or long term view' ability.
EVE isn't something you play with a short term view. It's not really a game where you go "man I can't wait to get to my next level so I can use Y uber weapon" It's more of a "ok if I train these skills here in a few weeks I can fly this ship with this loadout". It's a bit more of a long-term planning view than an instant gratification 'oh I'll have it tomorrow' viewpoint. Granted WOW does have some longer term aspects to it but NOTHING l ike in EVE.
I will say this, however, having played both WoW (yes, I tried it and hated it) and EVE I will say that the EVE community is far more helpful, in general, towards newer players than WoW is. In EVE newer players are generally welcomed to the game and most vets will do their best to offer advice and even give items and gold to new players. In WoW, even when I WAS a new player I didn't ever see generosity or a welcoming attitude even close to that in EVE. For the most part new players are considered a nuissance and are ignored. Getting advice is like pulling teeth and many of the guilds/whatever are now so oriented to end-game raiding that they are a 'high level members only' club.
While EVE does have some corporations that have 'skillpoint' gates or 'you need to be able to do X' gates. In general your typical EVE corporation will accept anyone who's not on a trial account. And even that is more for a general corporation management sanity standpoint than a 'we don't like trial players' standpoint. It's a pain in the rear to keep track of who's active and who's not and who can be safely removed to make room for more members without throwing in trial players who may be there in a week or may not.
So, on average, while I agree with your 'maturity' statement that EVE and WoW really aren't all that 'different' in that regard they are VASTLY different in the other areas I've listed. At least in my personal experience.... and in that I know I'm not alone because pretty much everyone I've talked to who's played both agrees on that.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
i know you might want to believe that theres a point where men grow up. but i think youll be hard pressed to find any woman, anywhere, that will tell you that men do in fact, grow up.
Do women ever reach a point that they don't say whatever?
No its like bourbon. Some people are too whimpy to enjoy it
I drink single malt Scotch before and Cognac after dinner. Bourbon is something my sister puts in coke.
No its like bourbon. Some people are too whimpy to enjoy it
I drink single malt Scotch before and Cognac after dinner. Bourbon is something my sister puts in coke.
Interesting.. had you pegged as a chocolate milk kinda guy.
deviliscious: (PS. I have been told that when I use scientific language, it does not make me sound more intelligent, it only makes me sound like a jackass. It makes me appear that I am not knowledgable enough in the subject I am discussing to be able to translate it for people outside the field to understand. Some advice you might consider as well)
I tend to agree with the gist of your post. EVE definitely has it's fair share of asshats and jacktards but I wouldn't say that it's community is the same as WoW's community. The difference between the communities has very little to do with their average "Maturity" level. The difference is more like their 'outlook or long term view' ability.
EVE isn't something you play with a short term view. It's not really a game where you go "man I can't wait to get to my next level so I can use Y uber weapon" It's more of a "ok if I train these skills here in a few weeks I can fly this ship with this loadout". It's a bit more of a long-term planning view than an instant gratification 'oh I'll have it tomorrow' viewpoint. Granted WOW does have some longer term aspects to it but NOTHING l ike in EVE.
I will say this, however, having played both WoW (yes, I tried it and hated it) and EVE I will say that the EVE community is far more helpful, in general, towards newer players than WoW is. In EVE newer players are generally welcomed to the game and most vets will do their best to offer advice and even give items and gold to new players. In WoW, even when I WAS a new player I didn't ever see generosity or a welcoming attitude even close to that in EVE. For the most part new players are considered a nuissance and are ignored. Getting advice is like pulling teeth and many of the guilds/whatever are now so oriented to end-game raiding that they are a 'high level members only' club.
While EVE does have some corporations that have 'skillpoint' gates or 'you need to be able to do X' gates. In general your typical EVE corporation will accept anyone who's not on a trial account. And even that is more for a general corporation management sanity standpoint than a 'we don't like trial players' standpoint. It's a pain in the rear to keep track of who's active and who's not and who can be safely removed to make room for more members without throwing in trial players who may be there in a week or may not.
So, on average, while I agree with your 'maturity' statement that EVE and WoW really aren't all that 'different' in that regard they are VASTLY different in the other areas I've listed. At least in my personal experience.... and in that I know I'm not alone because pretty much everyone I've talked to who's played both agrees on that.
Well one thing about EVE is a certain % of the players realize that to reach the upper levels you have to have people that are willing to help you and you have to be willing to help others. I'm not saying everyone in the game does this or that other games don't have similair features, but in EVE many players are always aware that they are just one apart of a bigger puzzle and that they are depending on others. I think this lends itself to a portion of the base being helpful, not because they are nice, but because they never know when they may need help.
True or False... once STO, KotOR, or JG:E releases, Eve's population is going to drop by 50+%.
I tried the demo, liked a lot of "things" about the game. However, it's not for me. I, too, like more interaction and the training just seems like a way for the developers to get monthly subs without people having to log on and use bandwidth.
Just my opinion. I'm a WoW burnout and GW noob BTW who really wants a good scifi MMO to play.
Unless one of those games has the depth and complexity to challenge eve they won't have much of an effect.
The fact that eve is science fiction is almost ancillary at this point.
That may be what leads people to try it. What gets people to STAY is how difficult and unique it is.
deviliscious: (PS. I have been told that when I use scientific language, it does not make me sound more intelligent, it only makes me sound like a jackass. It makes me appear that I am not knowledgable enough in the subject I am discussing to be able to translate it for people outside the field to understand. Some advice you might consider as well)
I tend to agree with the gist of your post. EVE definitely has it's fair share of asshats and jacktards but I wouldn't say that it's community is the same as WoW's community. The difference between the communities has very little to do with their average "Maturity" level. The difference is more like their 'outlook or long term view' ability.
EVE isn't something you play with a short term view. It's not really a game where you go "man I can't wait to get to my next level so I can use Y uber weapon" It's more of a "ok if I train these skills here in a few weeks I can fly this ship with this loadout". It's a bit more of a long-term planning view than an instant gratification 'oh I'll have it tomorrow' viewpoint. Granted WOW does have some longer term aspects to it but NOTHING l ike in EVE.
I will say this, however, having played both WoW (yes, I tried it and hated it) and EVE I will say that the EVE community is far more helpful, in general, towards newer players than WoW is. In EVE newer players are generally welcomed to the game and most vets will do their best to offer advice and even give items and gold to new players. In WoW, even when I WAS a new player I didn't ever see generosity or a welcoming attitude even close to that in EVE. For the most part new players are considered a nuissance and are ignored. Getting advice is like pulling teeth and many of the guilds/whatever are now so oriented to end-game raiding that they are a 'high level members only' club.
While EVE does have some corporations that have 'skillpoint' gates or 'you need to be able to do X' gates. In general your typical EVE corporation will accept anyone who's not on a trial account. And even that is more for a general corporation management sanity standpoint than a 'we don't like trial players' standpoint. It's a pain in the rear to keep track of who's active and who's not and who can be safely removed to make room for more members without throwing in trial players who may be there in a week or may not.
So, on average, while I agree with your 'maturity' statement that EVE and WoW really aren't all that 'different' in that regard they are VASTLY different in the other areas I've listed. At least in my personal experience.... and in that I know I'm not alone because pretty much everyone I've talked to who's played both agrees on that.
And that was absolutely correct.
/retired WoW player (4 years)
/new EVE player (~1 month)
It's not like there haven't been some pretty high profile names released in the last couple of years.
exactly, in my case at least
for me the complexity of eve has won me over until something even more complex comes along
even then, EVE is NOT hard to learn, its not really very complex, but its the most complex ive come across
its also a real player run MMO, with an actual difficulty level, and if youre sitting in an expensive boat, chances are you'll be thinking hard and long before you make any chess moves.
JGE from what ive read (and i have), seems more like WoW arena in an MMO enviroment, for the moment
it also doesnt have capital ships, nor does it have a real death penalty
to be honest, id rather see EVE improved upon, rather than a new startup action-based MMO
STO isn't going to impact EVE, imo because I truely believe it is going to suck in spades.... everything I have read about it just leads more and more to my conclusion that it is:
"Yet another Pie-in-the-sky attempt at making a star trek game by people that don't understand star trek fans"
I hate to say this but I seriously think, despite my hopes that I DO turn out to be wrong, that STO is going to fail... and fail badly. The issues surrounding the developer haven't really helped my opinion in that regard either.
As to SW:TOR: Yes I can see EVE losing players to this one... I myself am VERY much looking forward to SW:TOR and if it lives up to my expectations (which I have every faith it will considering I've never played a BioWare game I haven't absolutely enjoyed) it will definitely have me making a hard decision on whether to keep playing EVE or not. But, imo, we won't see SW:TOR till 2011.
JG:E COULD draw EVE players away... hard to say... it REALLY depends on how they implement PVP and whether there's any real reason to PVP in it. I am fairly sure they plan to make PVP fully consentual which will probably kill a lot of it's draw for most of the 0.0 and lowsec EVE players... I could see it drawing players away though. Then again... the original Jumpgate did not do well so this one could follow the same path: A lot of initial interest then a very quick near-death that fades into complete obscurity. I played the original Jumpgate... which, while good, wasn't ever enough to keep me from leaving for other games and even if it had the same graphics quality as EVE does it wouldn't pull me from EVE, to be honest. It just lacked 'something'. Whether JG:E will have that 'something'? I dunno...
So I guess I am in the 'we will just have to wait and see' mode. If SW:TOR comes even close to being as good as I think it will, however, it will absolutely impact EVE's subscriber base. That is... depending on what CCP does... if ambulation hits and adds enough worthwhile content? EVE could just shrug SW:TOR off or a lot of players may just dual-game, which won't impact it's subscriber numbers but will impact it's "percentage of players online" (which is quite high compared to other MMO's)
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell