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Another 'Scheme' to sell an unfinnished game?
EduardoASG
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Been following Aion for a while and i was surprised with the NCSoft change of plans for Aion beta.
First, they only providing a very limited number of keys to promotional websites..
Second, they offering beta acess to whoever pre_order their game.. Pre_Order a game the costumer doesnt know as a way to acess a limited preview or else? Has the gaming industry marketing schemes came so low that they have to use theese methods to sell a game?
Makes you think.. "What piece of c..' am i preordering ?"
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I'm sorry if you missed out on the slew of other betas they had.
You are mistaken, you should get your info before you start thinking up conspiracy theorys.
Beta is beta is beta, they don't get to keep their characters past release, If you really want to know about this game its already being played by half the world. So no, its not a trap.
Well if you were at all interested in this game, you wouldve known thats it's been released for a half year or so in Korea, and will release with the lastest patch in place.
So really, if anything, the Korean launch would have been the "unfinished product" which it was clearly not, as they have a couple million subscribers there, not to mention the Chinese and Japanese launches that are also occuring before the NA release.
At the very least developers are taking advantage of the fact that people are willing to pay for a beta. It's been tested, it's proven, its a new revenue stream, and devs are jumping all over it in the various ways you described.
It also shows the player base has grown beyond the industries ability to support the number of active MMO players with the current game selection.
The developers are feeding on the player bases frenzy for new games and you really cant blame them.
I have edited this post after reading the responses above mine that didnt exist when I was drafting this one. You missed the original posters primary point. Its the trend in general hes talking about not so much Aion in particular.
I've preordered, I'm not playin in the beta
Why?
Cus I already played the chinese beta, I'm just waiting for 9/20 to start playing the live version.
People who are pre ordering to play the beta are suckers, its the same as the people who buy the extended warentee on their keyboard.
Its highly illogical.
Pre order cus you want to play the game, not cus you want beta access.
General Discussing forums for General Discussions, he posted in the Aion forums, so I gave it to him in terms of Aion. It's probably the only forum that his post doesn't have any grounds, any other game I could agree with, but this is a polished product given new grounds in North America, that has been play tested, and content-added, opposed to something like Age of Conan.
General Discussing forums for General Discussions, he posted in the Aion forums, so I gave it to him in terms of Aion. It's probably the only forum that his post doesn't have any grounds, any other game I could agree with, but this is a polished product given new grounds in North America, that has been play tested, and content-added, opposed to something like Age of Conan.
Was that his primary point?
He had several, I think its hard for you as a viewer to determan the posters intent.
All we've been saying is that this is not a bait and switch and this isn't a "trick" to get you to buy an unfinished product.
This isn't darkfall.
General Discussing forums for General Discussions, he posted in the Aion forums, so I gave it to him in terms of Aion. It's probably the only forum that his post doesn't have any grounds, any other game I could agree with, but this is a polished product given new grounds in North America, that has been play tested, and content-added, opposed to something like Age of Conan.
I know Aion, you do, he does and she also.. but the common Joe doesnt.. and its the common Joe who gonna make Aion a fail or not.
The point is as in general not just Aion, but i am posting here because Aion is the last game using this 'technique' at the moment im posting.
Now.. try to explain to the common Joe.. how a so much played and so much polished product need to use a 'stealthy_shaddy' approach like this to sell.. see my point?
I think maybe you should take off your tin foil hat and go out on a date w/ a non iflatable person......
The common joe does not read the forums on mmorpg.com.
So no, its not a trap.
Your logic can't repel stupidity of that magnitude!
I got into the beta without buying anything so :P
aion has been out in korea for a while, is wildly successful, and was recently selected as the number one mmorpg there...
so you tell me whether or not you really think this is the case...
Not true. First, I would never buy an extended warranty on just about anything. I'm the guy that paid 5 bucks to see if I would like this game after seeing so much hype. I don't have to spend 50 bucks to find out. Plus I can cancel my pre-order. Which I probably will. The game doesn't do it for me. I keep trying. But it hasn't seemed much different than any F2P Asian mmo. Again, just to me. I know a lot of you like it and it's great you've found a game. Me, I continue to search. And now I'm not out 50 bucks.
Its highly logical. = )
Not true. First, I would never buy an extended warranty on just about anything. I'm the guy that paid 5 bucks to see if I would like this game after seeing so much hype. I don't have to spend 50 bucks to find out. Plus I can cancel my pre-order. Which I probably will. The game doesn't do it for me. I keep trying. But it hasn't seemed much different than any F2P Asian mmo. Again, just to me. I know a lot of you like it and it's great you've found a game. Me, I continue to search. And now I'm not out 50 bucks.
Its highly logical. = )
Now this is a good negative post....If it doesn't do it for you, it just doesn't..... I love the look of Aion it IS doing it for me.... I can understand that it may not for some. My dad would say, that's why they make chocolate AND vanilla ice cream. Atleast you gave it a look.
Not true. First, I would never buy an extended warranty on just about anything. I'm the guy that paid 5 bucks to see if I would like this game after seeing so much hype. I don't have to spend 50 bucks to find out. Plus I can cancel my pre-order. Which I probably will. The game doesn't do it for me. I keep trying. But it hasn't seemed much different than any F2P Asian mmo. Again, just to me. I know a lot of you like it and it's great you've found a game. Me, I continue to search. And now I'm not out 50 bucks.
Its highly logical. = )
YAY!! You are the first person to post a negative review that I actually understand and appreciate!
Good review and well thought out too.
Thanks for your imput! I agree that it feels a little light right now, but honestly when I started playing most games that were in their first year the game felt basicly the same.
I dunno, just my three cents. Thanks again! ^.^
Eh, I see games abusing people's addiction to games with item malls by making an advertisement around "FREE TO PLAY", yet someone is here complaining because they are giving pre-order people a chance to play in the beta instead of letting them wait until september.
Did you know most retailers allow you to cancel your pre-order at anytime?
A marketing like this would be bad if they weren't sure their game rocked and stable enough to be shown in a beta state, people would simply cancel their pre-orders and save their $50 many games like AoC and DF charged from players without a chance to try the game (initially), you should be complaining about THOSE marketing strategies, not Aion's.
This is really not the case of the just mentioned games, the game has been around for like 6 months in Korea, has seen 3 major patches, and we will be seeing release with all the existing patches in place and fully working. And they allow us to beta it as a preview, with the possibility of canceling our pre-order in case we don't enjoy it.
Exactly!
I dunno why people are upset about having to preorder to play the beta, just cancel if you hate it. It makes it seem like they want you to play the game before you have to pay for it that way. Almost like it was thought out.
Hmm I wonder if thats the point?
Either way I'm glad that people who didn't get a chance to see the game from CN are now able to give it a shot before they must pay for it. Main reason I never tried out Darkfall is they don't have a free trial, I don't spend money when I don't know what I'm buying, and you shouldn't have to either.
I would just like to state that developers/publisher make 0 (zero) dollars from presale boxes. Those boxes and all the goodies that come with them are given for free! There only purpose is to advertise the game and to give the retailers something to offer their customers. Presale boxes cut into and do not add to the publishers profits.
Well.. i will try to explain it again.. It is the principle wich is all wrong.
You paying to check a unfinnished product, $1 or $5 or $50 or whatever doesnt matter.
One might say.. "no you paying to Pre_Order something.."
Pre_ORder? Why would anyone pre_order something you can download in a few minutes? OH wait.. if i pre_order this something, i get to even enter the Beta_of_nothing_gonna_be_changed called Closed Beta/preview while in fact is Limited_preview_of _the_finnished_part_of_the_game_you_can_see.
Furthermore i can even ride_the_mount_of_wonderland_that_will_be_available_to_all_after_launch AND i can start playing before the others do!!! Woot!
Same applies to the limited Beta events wich is commonly related to this pre_order_bonus_enter_pseudo_beta where you can only play a very limited timeframe of the game and just some levels. Age OF Conan's Funcom was prolly one of the first to use theese schemes in order to promote and make a buyable product knowing it had several and grave flaws.
Is NCSoft doing the same? Does the game seem polished and finnished to you? What about the security breaches lots of people been complanning at ? How about hacks and the way they trying to shutup players who talk about it? How about several existing exploits ingame that are totally unaceptable in a todays game and that will probably required lots of work to solve? Is it really THAT finnished or is someone trying to lead you to believe it is?
See when the commmon Joa sees all this.. the common Joe wich DOES read MMORPG forums even if you believe he/she does not, will wonder.
Is there a point to this thread, because I find it hard to understand. The title is definitely misleading. This game is very much finished (as finished as MMOs who keep on adding content go). Even if it ends up being a bot and hacks infested paradise, it will happen whether the game includes all content or not (unless you associate finished state with something other than content/gameplay/game engine).
As for pre-orders, they cost zero money to those who use the feature, since you can shift that money at any other game you like. If those money were locked onto Aion, then you'd have some grounds for complain. And even then, the complains would go to the distribution network, not the developer.
Hehe good luck in finding a game which is in a more polished state than Aion on launch. You will have hard times to find this.
Aion will be the first release with a rock solid client that even beats WoW on release day. They have a highly polished and great interface, lots of content... I would say we can finally call it the next maintream MMO after WoW.
Currently playing: Archeage
Waiting for: Black Desert
it seems you aren't familar with NCsoft launches. if i remember correctly, every NCsoft game i've had since city of heroes, had a pre-order and get into beta, plus 3 day head start. even lotro had this. this isn't new, and it's a great idea. like someone just said, they don't get the pre-order money, the store that sells it does. if you drop five bucks to pre-order AION, and you don't like in from beta, you cancel your pre-order, and the store puts that five bucks to anything else you want, so in essence this pre-order to play beta doesn't cost you anything, as you can just get something you want later.
i honestly can't understand why you seem so hung up about paying to play beta, since you really aren't
pffft ok you guys know its not beta right? LOL the client everyone is playing right now .. is not in use. Its a OLDER version. All Aioin is .. is a better FREE TO PLAY polished game no more no less. No matter what side you play the quests are sooo much alike. No other starting places..
So the game is finished. Its just not like the bigger MMO's. After one year ..just look at it.. it hasnt grown in leaps and bounds. We are NOT like korean or china or even Japan. US will not put up with grind.. pvp that can kill anyone lol.
Fun yes.. but if you love playing and starting new toons .. you will ALWAYS have just one place to start alllllllll the way up, no to just lvl 10 and then you can go different places to level..
But as much as I still like playing WOW.. .. Aion is very fun to play.. I wish there was more chat.
So preorder it.. get past level 10 and you will have fun.
dude many of the comapnies are selling beta keys . google them .u dont even need to pre order .so stop trolling .
Well.. i will try to explain it again.. It is the principle wich is all wrong.
You paying to check a unfinnished product, $1 or $5 or $50 or whatever doesnt matter.
One might say.. "no you paying to Pre_Order something.."
Pre_ORder? Why would anyone pre_order something you can download in a few minutes? OH wait.. if i pre_order this something, i get to even enter the Beta_of_nothing_gonna_be_changed called Closed Beta/preview while in fact is Limited_preview_of _the_finnished_part_of_the_game_you_can_see.
Furthermore i can even ride_the_mount_of_wonderland_that_will_be_available_to_all_after_launch AND i can start playing before the others do!!! Woot!
Same applies to the limited Beta events wich is commonly related to this pre_order_bonus_enter_pseudo_beta where you can only play a very limited timeframe of the game and just some levels. Age OF Conan's Funcom was prolly one of the first to use theese schemes in order to promote and make a buyable product knowing it had several and grave flaws.
Is NCSoft doing the same? Does the game seem polished and finnished to you? What about the security breaches lots of people been complanning at ? How about hacks and the way they trying to shutup players who talk about it? How about several existing exploits ingame that are totally unaceptable in a todays game and that will probably required lots of work to solve? Is it really THAT finnished or is someone trying to lead you to believe it is?
See when the commmon Joa sees all this.. the common Joe wich DOES read MMORPG forums even if you believe he/she does not, will wonder.
I'll try to explain it to you. I'm going to buy this game. I pre-ordered so that I could play it a lil bit before it comes out. Im super pleased to pay 10% of the price of the game early so I can play it early.
It is a scheme, by ME! I took NC Soft! Those suckers are letting me play a game that's not even released...hahaha! I win.