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Burn you Ebay whores!
j-monster
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www.worldofwarcraft.com Check out the part about cracking down in Ebay'ers. I am so glad there doign somehting about this so early in the game.
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Like I love to say: Sooner or never.
Is Blizzard like the first and ONLY company to do such a move? Does this mean cr4p sites like www.ige.com that is dedicated to selling in-game currency for real money will be shut down?
You know what Blizzard should do about this. Create an Ebay account, bid on ALL the sellers that sell WoW money, ask for their name in-game, and BAN the #$%^&* for life.
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Why the hell arent more gaming companies stepping up like Blizzard?? Are they being paid a lil bit on the side, or wat? Or is it jus expensive to actually sue these companies?
I'm abit lost here, but GG to Blizzard, n I hope other gaming companies start following Blizzard's example, to get rid of these ppl.
People should learn to seperate real life from virtual life.
Mixing them together spoils the RPG elements not to mention the balance of the game world. Blizzard takes this seriously and I applaud them for it.
ps: Ah, how I wish I could play at least one day without anyone bitching about their *real* life.
I almost cried myself to death. I was so happy. It's just about the only game I have ever heard doing anything about it. It's really great, and it's really sticking it to all those weaklings who need that stuff to play the game... So great.
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Well doesnt look like Ebay has chaneged...There are now more sellers then never before. I dont even know if Blizzard can put a stop to this. I think all they can do is stop about 15% of the people selling in game gold
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Both companies could stand to lose money is that happened. And you know how people love their money...
The way I think they are going to do it, they are just going to track the sales and the bids and delete the accounts trying to bid and delete the accounts trying to sell. Not E-Bay deleting accounts, but Blizzard. Or they will "temporarily suspend" them like it says in that news update.
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is it possible that they can track who is doing the sale to sue them??
i mean they would have to ask ebay to give them the names of the people thats selling the items or buy the stuff and then act on them... and unless the guy is so stupid to put the name of the character in the advertising screen, how can they possible impose this policy??...
This sounds great, in theory, and am happy that they care at least, but i dont think bliz is gonna "burn" anybody.
ah and also there is a lot of sites selling ingame stuff not just ebay...
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Why do people care if others try to make some extra money for their electric bill by selling in game items/money? I don't see what the concern is. Why do you care if someone buys 50 gold off someone else for real cash? Would you care if someone gave their friend who just started in the game 50 gold? Why does this matter and how does it affect you in any way? It doesn't mess up the economy of the game. The person would have that 50 gold whether they sold it to someone else or not. The same amount of money is still in the game world. I've never bought in game items for cash. But i cannot see why the hell anyone else would care in the least if someone else decided to spend their pocket money on something like that if it brought them more enjoyment.
Seriously, what the hell does it matter??? You just don't like it cause they didn't work in game for the stuff? It pisses you off cause while you played 8 hours and they worked 8 hours and couldn't play that time instead and bought some gold or whatever. You just don't like it because ummm you don't like it?
Wow, that guy isn't very skilled but he has decent equipment. Big f'ing deal, don't group with him if you think he sucks. Explain to me why this matters, so that I can understand your viewpoint. Because I see absolutely no rational thinking behind it.
For many reasons
First of all, if someone is selling their ingame stuff for money, may I suggest a real job. You make the money much faster in a real job versus in a mmorpg. Also, a real job will give you possible career achievements and promotions that sitting behind a computer 24/7 will not give you. And since many of these ebayers uses bots anyways..they're certainly not having fun playing it.
1. Extreme farming causes a bad community. People tend to get the idea they "own" certain areas when in reality they do not own any of it. They get real picky because in their eyes if you just killed a MOB and got money, they'll hate you because that money could have went to them...Ive seen this way too many times to know I am merely speculating.
2. This form of selling encourages bots. Bots totally kills a game immersion because they just kill, kill, kill without any care in the world that you are actually playing the game for fun and enjoyment. The guy who is running the bot is probably at the movies or washing his dad's car. Additionally, Bots have this knack to killsteal. SO, while you are trying to level honestly, you have this automatic bot stealing half of your XP...every single time (until you move out of that area). If Blizzard didn't put their feet down then you never know..there could have been bots popping up everywhere (including that little nice XP area you don't want anyone else to know about...)
3. It kills the economy. Prices tend to go up fast when bots, ebay buys are heavily used. SWG had a serious duping bug. People would dupe (duplicate) credits left and right and then sell them on ebay and other sites. It was free money because it was an exploit. What happened? People bought the How to Dupe guides from ebay and bought the gold too and for awhile the price of a FWG5 blaster (normally around 5000-10000 credits) went up to 450,000 credits a piece. Dupers were getting sweet weapons for no effort while the honest player would never be able to afford such prices. Sadly a good majority of weaponsmiths and armorsmiths did not care and for a brief time honest players were made to suffer or seek out a honest crafter.
Well....those are some reasons. I am sure there are more why people do not like these types of people
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Don't get your hopes up. DAoC and SWG said the same thing in the begining. Btw, companies like IGE wont be shut down. Just restricted from selling WoW items. However, blizzard sets the rules to the game, and by playing the game you understand there rules. If in the rules they reserve the right to pursue legal action against anyone caught selling in-game items for real cash, they would have no defense against it being as they broke the rules and are inclined to be sued by blizzard.
As for the whole ebay issue. I dont care if people sell there toons personally. But selling gold/items i cant stand because it totaly fubars the games economy. In DAoC, i could not afford to buy anything worth of value because people could buy tons of plat off ebay, where as it took me an entire day of non stop farming just to get like 500g. Its one of the main reasons I quit.
But anyways, saying and doing is 2 different things. Even if they tried I doubt they would be able to stop all of the selling, but at least they can stop alot of it.
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less selling and buing and scamming etc 
So the main complaint would be that it encourages botting and takes away from regular players looking to hunt/farm that area. Ok, i can understand that to some extent.
Regarding someone feeling that they own and area, I don't think this would come into play strictly with sales on an auction site. Someone could feel this way anyways if they were all about tradeskills or accumulation of wealth.
So the reason for the dislike of sale of in game items for real money is not truly the actual sale of the item, but the possible and probable introduction of bots taking away resources/hunting areas for the regular player?
So I am wondering, would the majority of people still have a serious qualm with someone who did this type of thing without botting? You've got the one side, where someone wants to make as much in game money as they can through tradeskilling or just farming item drops and selling them to in game players for in game money. You've got the other side with someone playing in the exact same manner as the aforementioned playstyle, but their end goal is different in that they want to make an extra 100 bucks or whatever as a supplement to their regular income. Would this person still be denounced by the majority of the population?
Even if someone was botting, you would still have an equal, if not better chance vs them to get items in a particular area. I think you would be worse off going head to head with someone actively playing. Like it's been said many times before, in regards to PvP, AI can not match a human opponent. And the same applies here. You just can't tell them to F off or make derogatory remarks to them for hopping on your resource, because, well it's a bot.
A bot will go for a resource/mob whether you are on it or not, unless scripted otherwise. So will many other players do the same thing. In this case, a bot is still only playing marginally as well as a real player could. The only advantage it has is that a bot can do these things nonstop. It will bot while youn are asleep or at work, this is not affecting you. The only thing it does is introduce slightly more currency/items into the game economy. The only way the bot could personally affect you in regards to going nonstop, is if the person was selling the items in game, allowing them to possibly drive the price down due to mass amounts of whatever it is. If they sell it for real money, then that is not affected. When someone goes to sell their item they bought for real money in game after done using it, they would more than likely check what the going rate is and sell for that, or undercut you to sell it more quickly, which just depends on the person. People undercut all the time anyways. Regardless, these are all singular occurances. Someone isn't gonna buy 5 of the same item off an auction site to try and undercut everyone's prices. That's would just be stupidity if they did. I can't see anyone actually doing that. They'd have 1 of the item to sell, or some gold they bought that might be introduced to tradeskillers. If the game has proper money sinks in place, this should not create a problem. Afterall, say 2 more players joined the game and accomplished the same thing as the 1 bot. The game should be able to deal with this.
Immersion, people grind all the time and follow the same patterns. They farm for xp. They farm items. They kill, kill, kill to lvl, just like the bot. You watch them for a while, and realize the pattern is always the same, so you think it's a bot. It may still be a person playing and they have a set pattern of doing things. For example, gathering tradeskill ingredients in EQ2, I ran the same path over and over and over again to skill up. A relatively small circuit for a few hours on end. Would I then be hurting your immersion? I may be following the same routine a bot would. I don't see it.
So what it breaks down to is this, you don't like it because it brings about botting, and you don't like bots because they can play without actual player interaction. That person is gaining more than you can, but not using it in the world to undercut you, or hurt your in game prices. It's completely external and the item is passed on to another player without an impact on you.
The problem would lie with someone botting and their interest lies within the game still. They don't plan to use an auction site to sell the item, but to gain actual in game wealth. They can undercut you. They can skill up more than you, faster than you. That is where the problem should lie. In the end, the problem should lie with these people, though it is hard to differentiate between the two as they both use the same medium to reach different goals. Not with the people selling for real money.
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Well, I just read Numatic's post and I agree that would really suck. I myself have never experienced this in any mmo I have played, and I played EQ for years. I never played DAoC retail, only beta 3. If that were the case then I would definitely be for something being done about it. I know someone personally who played DAoC for a very long time however and they never mentioned this problem to me. I'll have to ask her about this.
I see a couple problems with this...
one. Legally speaking. I've seen how ebayers do it, they clearly state they are not selling the characters/items/gold, but rather the people purchasing it, are purchasing the time spent to acquire the crap. Now whether this would hold up in court or not, is beyond me. But i'll tell you this...It won't stop them.
In fact...I don't think you can. Scare tactics maybe...But other then that. You really can't do anything.
It's also not very cost efficient...Waste of time/money - doesn't make good business.
I've never had a problem with ebaying. When extreme farming is involved, sure, it can mess up the game. But if the poor guy wants to sell his account for a couple hundred, hey, all the more power to him.
They can use all the scare tactics they want, but seriously now, in all seriousness, how are they gonna do it? Efficiently at that.
I can't think of any ways in fact. If any of you can, do tell, I would be highly interested. But if not...Don't get your hopes up fella's, they've tried "spookin" the public before. As previously mentioned, I believe SWG did this...No avail.
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I think Blizz will keep doing this and hopefully it won't be to late. Maybe it will get rid of the assholes.
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Generally speaking i dont disagree that this hurts the community, but the reasons you give are wrong.
In the issue of bots, farmers may use bots in other games, but the way of dealing with bots is entirely different than dealing with real life selling. And even if all farmers are bot(which i doubt because the entire purpose of online farms is too avoid the dangers of bots), NOT ALL BOTS ARE FARMER. Many of them are regular dudes that download the bots from the internet to gain an advantage, they are your reagular grinders ...anyway the way in dealing with bots in entirely technical and bliz is doing a good job at that.
second the economy...well i dont think it hurts it like in other games, after all there is BIND ON PICKUP! the great equalizer, all the good stuff is BOP. And besides that when a farmer is sell something in the internet, he is not creating anything new he is just transfering something that he had to another player, so why should affects us more than a grinder??. And you know there is people that actually enjoy grinding entire areas for items to make themselfs rich, and i have to admit myself i was grinding loch modan for a lot of time, looking for herbs for my potions, i made a lot of them. Its like drugs, you are always looking for more.
Anyway it may have an impact in the economy, but only on the worst low level items, and if they get kind of cheap, so what?? it will help the newbies more than anybody. All the good, high level stuff is BOP or BOE so, whatever.
BUt stills lets just agree that it makes the community overly suspicious and jealous, and it gives people with a lot of money to spend an unfair advantage over the rest. so farming = bad
The most common thing to farm and sell over E-bay is Gold, and that will destroy the in-game economy unless it's kept in check. Personally I think Blizzard should hire assassins, track down and kill all the bastards selling in-game items and currency.
Those people selling are lowlifes that deserve nothing more than pain and scourn.
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Since Blizzard is so much cooler than SOE, don't think think they should hire people with Ebay accounts to buy Gold on Ebay, meet up with the person, then report to Blizzard that the person is selling Gold on Ebay and have that person banned for life?
I emailed SOE before, asking them why are they so easy going with people selling Jedi accounts and Credits on Ebay? They replied with their automated "Thank you for your feedback, bla bla bla, please post your comments on the official forums".
I even emailed them that I would be honored to buy Credits and Jedi accounts on Ebay for them, find out who they are and report them to SOE. But they replied with the same Automated Email they always do. That proves that SOE couldn't care less if the economy is unbalanced no thanks to Ebay-whores.
Blizzard seems like such a strict company and they don't want their WoW game ruined because of them.
It's such an easy task too! You create an Ebay Account, you ask Blizzard to give you a fake Paypal account that is monitored so you don't actually use the money for anything, you meet with the person, get their player name, and there you go, report that name to Blizzard and another Ebay-whore bites the dust.
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