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Let's all judge a game based on it's beta!
Honestly, people who keep saying how good/bad Aion just because they've played the beta are idiots. Sure, you can give some simple first impressions about style/graphics/feel. But why make any attempt to criticize/hype the content? Betas are not "let me try out the game to see if I want to play", they are created to allow users to find bugs and to stress servers, that's it. Instead of giving full frontal reviews of the game and saying how much you love/hate it, did you actually try to find bugs and report them? This is why all these Betas fail, and launched games are full of bugs/exploits - people look at it as sort of a trial period and then piss all over the game because it's missing this and that. They did absolutely nothing to improve the game which means all they did was be a small part of the stress on servers, which is absolutely arbitrary.
Obviously there are other factors to contribute to poor releases, but I believe this is a glaring one. If you want to give a review, wait until the game is released, then you have all the right to levatate/bash the game, until then, do your job and find those damn bugs damnit!
/rantoff
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Actually, you are an idiot.
This very build of the game is released in Korea, China and most probably Japan by now, this is a finished project ported to North America with the latest build/patch.
EDIT: If you knew anything about the game you would realize that there has already been content added from the base model of Aion, and that no game EVER starts with at patch 1.5.
We're talking about content because there are no bugs. The only "bugs" are some minor translation problems. But they've apparently worked on that in a patch coming in the retail.
Edit: Actually Mrroboto, there are a lot of changes coming in the retail version. The game is a finished product, though. But there are more things to come via patches.
this thread lacks merit because the only true "beta" part of the game is the localization. the game is released in well over many countries in the eastern part of the world, and now over here the NA game "closed beta" we have now is just an earlier iteration that isn't as up to date(ie not patched up to the current level of content/balances) and without complete and proper localization. that is all.
I agree with this, but only slightly. I have yet to play in a beta then go and play release and have the gameplay change a whole lot from the beta release. Also need to point out the game is already out in another country as retail.
Yeah I would have to agree with the other people, what we are playing is a full, stable older release of the game. I think what we are mainly doing is stress testing their 2 servers so they can adjust/tweak them as needed.
Actually, you are an idiot.
This very build of the game is released in Korea, China and most probably Japan by now, this is a finished project ported to North America with the latest build/patch.
EDIT: If you knew anything about the game you would realize that there has already been content added from the base model of Aion, and that no game EVER starts with at patch 1.5.
http://www.aiononline.com/us/news/general_news/aion_launch_version.html Says enough...???
tbh, China,(Japan?) are still 2patches behind Korea.
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Actually, you are an idiot.
This very build of the game is released in Korea, China and most probably Japan by now, this is a finished project ported to North America with the latest build/patch.
EDIT: If you knew anything about the game you would realize that there has already been content added from the base model of Aion, and that no game EVER starts with at patch 1.5.
You're hilarious. You assume that they're releasing the exact same game that is released in Korea. Even if it was, there are still so many things that need to be tested. There were so many random bugs I found when I beta'd this weekend.
If you knew anything about the game, you would know that the NA version is slightly different in terms of content since they need to make the game cater to a more american audience.
You called me an idiot, while you assumed that I somehow didn't know that this game is already released in Korean/China and that the released version will be v1.5.
Anyway, I also meant to imply this for all betas, not only Aion. If anything, Aion would be the only exception to heavy alpha/pre-alpha tests since it has the advantage of another release in a different country.
Oh well, +1 for ignorance.
I leveled a Elyos templar to lvl12, Elyos mage to lvl11 and a Asmo scout to lvl14 and the only bug i found was a punctuation error in one of the quests. Compared to VG, AoC, WAR etc this felt more like a released game than a beta. My friends all agree, if they released today we would all subscribe. I 'm just glad a mmo company finally figured out releasing half arsed games does no-one any good.
Although your thought process may be legit,betas have actually become HYPE tools and a chance to see the game.I think the testing stage other than server load has long been thrown out the window years ago.
Neither AION or ANY game will or can afford the time and cost to completely change the game,as a matter of fact i have never witnessed hardly any changes in any7 game after beta,it does not happen.Changes ALWAYS occur after a month or three after launch if the sales plummet or never reach the potential the developer thought it should.
I believe it is a 100% safe bet,the beta AION will be the EXACT same Aion upon release,with any minor changes unnoticed by players.
Even if you want to include BUGS in a game,that does not change any of the actual game play,it is just a fix up ,the game play and looks/design of the game are still the same.
I would like to know what the OP thinks a game will do different or change from a beta to launch?that will cause a significant change to the game,so much so that your opinions would change.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
Then you should have posted this in the general boards, not Aion boards
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Perhaps their point is they want Beta testers to fous on bug reporting and on fixing issues rather than writing up rage quit stories or fanboi nonsense. You know, like Betas are suposed to be.
Hey I agree with both sides, this beta was clearly made mostly to give people an idea of what to expect.
That doesn't excuse people who beta test and don't bother to report bugs though, that is the true point of a beta test.
*One of the most frequent questions the Aion team has heard from players during the beta events is, “What version is the North America and Europe game launching with?” We’re happy to announce today that Aion is planned to release with version 1.5, the third major game update, bringing the content as up to date as possible. The Aion team strives to keep the game content consistent between territories, and releasing with this game version brings us one step closer to this goal.
Stay tuned to the official web site for more details about version 1.5 and the release of Aion! *
From: http://eu.aiononline.com/en/news/article/aion_launch_version
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Agreed, a well known fact.
However you really didn't explain anything... copy pasting generally explains nothing...
Are you implying that the game they are testing will be entirely different? How so?
The thing you linked doesn't explain what will be different or if that invalidates anything the OP said.
(I've read the patch notes, so please don't quote them one by one, a good thing to do though would be explain WHAT complaints the OP had would be fixed by 1.5)
Although your thought process may be legit,betas have actually become HYPE tools and a chance to see the game.I think the testing stage other than server load has long been thrown out the window years ago.
Neither AION or ANY game will or can afford the time and cost to completely change the game,as a matter of fact i have never witnessed hardly any changes in any7 game after beta,it does not happen.Changes ALWAYS occur after a month or three after launch if the sales plummet or never reach the potential the developer thought it should.
I believe it is a 100% safe bet,the beta AION will be the EXACT same Aion upon release,with any minor changes unnoticed by players.
Even if you want to include BUGS in a game,that does not change any of the actual game play,it is just a fix up ,the game play and looks/design of the game are still the same.
I would like to know what the OP thinks a game will do different or change from a beta to launch?that will cause a significant change to the game,so much so that your opinions would change.
Sure, Betas can have a indirect effect of being Hype tools if the companies are confident that people will enjoy the game.
Did I ever say that Betas are there to allow devs to completely change the game? No, I'm talking about bugs/balance/exploits, which is totally different. Just because you haven't witnessed, that doesn't mean that changes never happened. And which games are you talking about? People don't realize that they need to help the game out before the company runs out of money by providing useful input so devs can polish the game.
Exact same as in content? Obviously. Again, not what I'm talking about.
Things like bugs/exploits/balance is a huge part of the decision whether a person wants to play or not. Especially in a game like Aion, where PvP is the main focus. As I stated in my OP, you can make comments about the general feel/design, but they shouldn't explicitly critize direct content (fluidness/balance/systems).
Why shouldn't the beta help the release? Are you saying that the beta is pointless? If all they needed to do was stress the servers, they really don't need to allow months and months of beta. You're bad if you think betas have no significance towards release. A game that is riddled with bugs/exploits is a huge turn-off for gamers. Little annoying things will always add up and eventually break the game for players. Look at Vanguard/Warhammer.
Then you should have posted this in the general boards, not Aion boards
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I like Aion though
The general boards people are mean.
Are there new interesting races? Are the starter zones getting redesigned in a new patch? Are they suddenly wide open or at least make sense in a living world kind of way? Do all the quests not involve finding or killing X widgets in a new patch? Do classes get more customization? Otherwise, not interested=) Sorry.
Once you get past the nice animation and graphics, there really is nothing special at all about the game. I've seen it all before in WOW. Wings aren't worth $15 / month.
You're saying that I cannot state "Aion is a good game" since it's in beta? Wouldn't that give me more of a foundation seeing as the game is already good and it's only in beta.
Think before you write a long thread please.
The problem I have with this is the fact that yes betas are ment to find bugs and such. I don't see many people complaining about those issues. Instead they are complaining about gameplay. This will hardly change from beta to release. I am not really talking about content in the game. I am reffering to controls, and overall feel of the environment.
Remember, the point isn't, "Hey, I can bet you $200 that this game will be super close to the beta just because this game has been released in Korean/China already!". That doesn't mean you should be writing long hype/bash threads.
It's like saying that a security guard can get off work 30 minutes early everyday (or if you want, the guard talks on the phone for the last 30 minutes) because he counted that there are only on average of 3 people that walk across the lobby, so the chance of something happening is so low that it's negliable. This example might be silly, but it somewhat represents our roles as testers.
Betas are much the same way, they are there regardless, and your job as users is to find bugs (as little as they may be) and provide feedback on balance.
Actually, you are an idiot.
This very build of the game is released in Korea, China and most probably Japan by now, this is a finished project ported to North America with the latest build/patch.
EDIT: If you knew anything about the game you would realize that there has already been content added from the base model of Aion, and that no game EVER starts with at patch 1.5.
http://www.aiononline.com/us/news/general_news/aion_launch_version.html Says enough...???
tbh, China,(Japan?) are still 2patches behind Korea.
Really doesn't matter, NA will be at patch 1.5
Um. Completely missed the point in the OP?
Sure, the game is nothing special, but you my friend, are special.
Actually, people can judge the game based off of these betas. It's the finished product. It's been out for a year or so in Korea. There isn't anything different between the two games other then the quest text is different so it can appeal to a western audience. There's no radical changes made, it's just localization. That's it. So yeah, what people think of the game is completely relavent in this context because we're basically getting a sneak peek to a game Korea has been playing for a year.
Regardless of what you say at this point, there is no arguement here. You're wrong.
I've never even played the beta, and I can tell the game sucks.
/trolloff
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First, I haven't played a beta version of Aion. I am leaning towards buying it after release, and I have no pre-conceptions as to what the game is going to be like other than my experience in games like L2 from the same company. That stated, I find it hard to consider this a true beta due to the fact that it has been released for quite some time in SE Asia. If I was taking part in the North American/EU version, I would likely be reporting simple english syntax errors rather than gameplay, which I expect has been filtered minus a few balancing/enjoyment issues that are specifically geared towards NA/EU player enjoyment. I will not bash Aion, on the other hand, I would expect it to be fully playable and polished at launch given it's current release status elsewhere. I played L2 for a decent amount of time, and it was totally playable minus a few translations. Well, that and bots, spam...you know the drill.
I think Aion will be/is ready for launch, but to claim this is a simple "beta" seems somewhat silly.
Played (more than a month): SWG, Second Life, Tabula Rasa, Lineage 2, Everquest 2, EvE, MxO, Ryzom.
Tried: WoW, Shadowbane, Anarchy Online, Everquest, WWII Online, Planetside
Beta: Lotro, Tabula Rasa, WAR.