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grind.........but FUN grind!
Kunarick
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All games are grinds, get used to it. Eq2=grind, WoW=grind, Eq1=grind, DaoC=grind, CoH=grind, ect. But Eq2, when your fighting and grouping, it doesn't feel like a grind. And even for those moments it does, it still feels insanely fun. When you pull a monster, you much use tactics, and often in need of soucts to peer around the cornor with sneak on to see if the monstor is grouped with another one just down the hall a tiny bit, but still out of view. The combat itself is very fun and challanging. If you feel like just killing, then you can. But once you get around lvl 20, you get so many special attacks you can just pump them all out and just slash that enemy to shreds. Also, most monstors may seem to hard for your group to kill. But if you use good organization, you can make full use of the HO wheel as it becomes more advanced for groups. Thus giving the ability to almost triple your damage output at times. And each encounter is unique (for the most part), often monstors are grouped in different ways, or their better in skills and such. (arrows up) Or they are just completely different monstors from the start. Thus making you have to change tactics each time.
Although this game, is undoubtably a grind, just as everything else out on the market, SOE i belive has done the best to make the grind actually FUN, because, how can a game not grind? You do have to kill to gain lvls, or the quest grind as in WoW and less in Eq2, as WoW being much more quest based.
Grind are in every game, and if you don't say yes, then your just tricking yourself (every mmorpg that is), but the goal now isn't to eliminate the grind, which is impossible until we can plug needles into a brain and log into a vertual world. (Eq5) Now the goal is to make the fighting fun, and the first place to start would be, challanges, and choices.
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I agree, all games seem to be a major grind. I like how EQ2 seems to be so fast paced combat.
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I love the pace of EQ2 so far. Not too fast, not to slow. Not once, have I felt bored while xp'ing with a good group. A cool experience I had with HO's is, my group found the underwurm in the commonlands and we were like "we have to kill that!" So are tank goes and pulls it and instantly the underwurm put some sort of haze on us so we couldn't see. Needless to say we were distracted and basically getting our asses handed to us. Eventually though I started an HO and the tables really turned. A couple more HO's later there we were standing over its corpse. Thank god for HO's.
The more I play the funner this game gets IMO. I know some people don't like it and that's cool, I hope they are enjoying what ever they like playing, but for me, this game is awesome.
mmh, tbh when u are alone its not as amusing as playing with friends. i personaly played both wow + eq2. and since my friends all play wow as it seems, i am teh only one who prolly buy both games. and now i am a lvl 13 crusader + lvl 10 outfitter and i am not sure what do next. antonica is a tough place to go, and i would love to find a guild. but finding a guild isnt easy, most peeps are running through that game with no look left or right or they have there rl friends they play with. well, i know this sounds a bit frustrated and yes i am a bit
but i hope i find some nice peeps to play with soon !
All games are grinds says who?
Dont play any of the games you listed...problem solved.
Why pay money to have to put gametime into advancing. You paying money should automatically = character advancement. Your skill and time invested should determine how successful you are with your powers/skills/abilities, not the amount of grind you succumb yourself too.
MMORPG's are based around killing mobs to gain levels, which can also be called a grind. I don't want me paying money to mean instant character advancement. The "grind' increases the amount of time you can play the game. I don't want an mmorpg that I can fly through and be done with in a couple of months. I would rather have a game I know I'm going to be playing for awhile. And off-topic, r1tual I see you post all the time about how bad EQ2 is, if you really didn't like it you'd stay away from anyhting having to do with EQ2, including this forum. It's fine if you don't like it but we don't need to see you on every thread explaining how much you dislike EQ2. To be honest, it's getting old.
I suppose it depends on what definition of grind is and perception as to what it actually is.
Since all mmorpgs are based on a persitent world if you are half way through a quest and want to go watch a movie, you can do that! The mobs and resources and your skills/levels will be there when you get back.
Grind is what I do at work, not playing PC games. *shrug*
When a mmorpg feels like a grind is when you have to craft 100 items because there is no alternative to levelling. If those same 100 items were crafted in a fun way then it isnt perceived to be a grind. Same for mobs, if killing 100 mobs doesn't feel like a grind because of clever game design then hats of to the designers.
Killing mobs in this game is fun. Who cares how many.
I somtimes pick fights with rats just to see how hard I can hit them. Then the next day at work I go to eq2players.com and see if I am number 1 or not. Usually not, but oh well. eq2players.com is one of the greatest thing this game has. Cause you can check every aspect of your character to all the other charactes on the server.
Plus fighting is just fast and furious. I pretty much have my battle set up like this.
2 = kick
4 = Start HO
1 = Initial HO ability Wild Swing
3 = End HO ability Taunt
5 = Rightous blow
6 = Divine Blast
7 = Assult
4 again
1
3
2
and so on and so on...it's a blast. Other things happen sometiems and I change my tactics but its fast and fun...
Calamities are of two kinds: Misfortune to ourselves and good fortune to others
The "grind" for EQ2 was significantly lessened when you grouped... only problem with grouping is everyone still had "solo tactics" in mind. Everyone trying to start their HO's or spamming their attack keys that it was rare for someone to get one off. Granted there are a few here and there that actually listened, and when they did killing mobs was much quicker. Downtime was a nice improvement over the first one also if players realized that EATING FOOD increased their regen rate and that sitting was useless.
So if you wanna change from solo grind, group with characters +or- 1 your level, and go kill a group of orange/reds. With a decently equipped party you can do pretty well.
p.s. And yes tradeskilling was actually the worse of the "leveling" grinds. It took me twice as long if not more to get to 17 scholar than it did to 20 templar.
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"There is only one thing of which I am certain, and that's nothing is certain."
Calamities are of two kinds: Misfortune to ourselves and good fortune to others
What are you smoking? EQ2 has almost worse grind then SWG does... wait a week or so and youll realize what a crappy title it really is.
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Wow, most of your posts this morning are negative... Did SoE pee in your cornflakes, or crapped on ya poptarts?
Out of curiosity why do you champion such great negativity about a single game/company? I know from personal experience SoE customer service blows @ss IMO, <Never bring SoE into a divorce case, when settling game accounts, ownership, they just ban em all>
lol SWG had no grind. i maxed out my skill trees in a month soloing playing about 4-5hours a day. granted that was shortly after the game came out, i hear the grind is alot worse now but anyways... that game is too ez.
i want something im gonna be playing for a while. a year or 2 lets say. there is a grind but since combat is fun it doesnt seem like it. i dont even notice when im close to lvl until i ding. heheh. still having a blast with this game questing, foraging, killing, exploring hanging with guildies...buying/selling....etc.
Wrython Hellsong, Erudite Dirge lvl 30 -- Befallen.
A.K.A. Wrython
Joined 2004 - I can't believe I've been a MMORPG.com member for 20 years! Get off my lawn!
Take no offense to this message my friends.
Do you realized your character isnt really original.. or unique in its class, YET atleast. I think the basic 4 classes is very annoying. Dont you miss your character being unique? Me my g/f and my best friend all grinding to level 25 before most on our server. We are so depressed with this game right now. Im thinking of dropping it this month unless it improves. My bitterness might be because of my age. Most who like this game are PS2 gamers and younger crowds. Us older gents seem to like the old fantasy tales of treasures and rare unique items to show off.
Well neener neener
TRiCiDE
A.K.A. Wrython
Joined 2004 - I can't believe I've been a MMORPG.com member for 20 years! Get off my lawn!
Any game that allows you to improve your in-game avatar will have a grind if you let it. Some just give you fewer options than others.
aye i agree it is fun, but can get annoying
I guess I just don't have that feeling.....this game never seems annoying to me at all. i dunno. i have very little to complain about. no to mention that the people are awesome (as aforementioned). thats critical!
All games are grinds? Wrong.
Whether you like EVE Online or not, the game does not force a player into the grind. Do note, in EVE character skills are advanced in real time, not by any silly xp amount gained by killing some silly monsters over and over again. This basically leaves you to do whatever you want to do in the game, whereas in other games you *have* to grind in order to get to a certain level where you are able to "enjoy" the game.
Now, I know some people claim that mining asteroids in EVE is a grind. Wrong. Mining in EVE is one of the easiest ways of making money in the game. If a player gets stuck into mining when he doesn't like it (some actually do), he's not really being creative in making money in EVE. Several options exist, quite a few of them challenging and interesting.
Whether you like it or not, EQ2 with its xp grind + quests design structure is a relic from the pages of the history - an exact copy of D&D hack'n slash and the early MUDs. Ya, some like it but don't make the mistake of thinking a) you can't do better or b) there's anything innovative or new in EQ2.
but it is great game
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