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Need honest advice..none of this "fanboi/non-fanboi" rubbish....
So, Im in 2 minds whether to make a purchase of darkfall. A Part of me is saying NO becuase of everything ive read on these forums and in other places; people saying its a waste of time, the game is empty etc. Then theres the other part of me which is saying...can it really be that bad, ive watched videos, read EVERYTHING there is to read on it, and it looks good, and the pvp concept sounds great.
Even if it was only for say 4 month, would i get a enjoyable 4 months from this game? is there enough players playing to enable the game to be enjoyable for a while whilst i wait for another decent game to drop? Hope i can get a mix of honest answers without people arguing like in every other single thread lol!
Thanks
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A wise decesison would be to wait a month after launch and see what folks are posting here.
MAGA
I live in England so the north american launch doesnt apply if thats what you mean but thanks.
I guess it depends on what you define as 'enough players.' I've been playing on EU-1 during American prime time, and the population seems fairly light. That said, I've haven't even come close to exploring the whole land mass, and I'm also basically enjoying harvesting/crafting more than anything else (which are largely solo activities).
I'm enjoying the game, but I can't really vouch for numbers and heavy pvp.
If you live in europe then the NA release really isnt a big deal to you, I'd say if you've got the cash to give it a try go for it.
My buddy bought it and I played with it a bit, it isn't bad but I didnt see it being too fun for me long term.
If your on the fence and can waste that much, go for it.
I think paragus's blog/reviews are the most accurate.
I know I will be playing a stint of DF before MO comes out, £60 they wanted...
My blog:
wait for a trial
When i say enough, i mean is there still enough players for things like heavy politics, clan warfare, grouping, the things that from what i have gathered make darkfall so appealing aside from the full loot etc to still work effectivly within game if that makes sense?
If you're going to play on the EU server, it might be wise to wait a month or two to see how the population ends up with players transfering to the NA server.
And you can expect another population decline at the three month point as transfers to the NA server will be free, and I'm sure there will be a portion of the EU population that will transfer at that point also.
Virtually none of that ever existed outside of ganking and noob killing.
There is no politics outside of some fanboi's minds, there has never been a critical mass of people to make the PvP meaningful and all the "epic (boy is that term overused)" battles have been nothing but zerging with no tactics and no leadership.
Remember your server population has been cut at least in half so there would be by the most generous estimate 9K people left (probably closer to 5K) and with the normal MMORPG numbers being 20% on at any given time then you have <1800 players? You could run for hours and never see another person
If you have the money to throw away then go for it. I know I wish I had kept mine in my pocket but at least I got to see a game that actually made Deceit-n-Lie look professional same for Farcelan, DnL's developer.
if you ever played eve,where control,pacts, wars mean so much, then its exactly the opposite of that
You may want to look further under the hood of the posts against DFO. For example, if the person has hundreds of posts on this forum and for months has only made negative remarks, you really should ask yourself how much to heart to take their comments.
The game at release in EU, and even up to a month ago, we "ify" at best for the average player. The improvements on every level have been so dramatic that I can only suggest you stop listening and try the game IF..... 1) You love PvP, 2) Love the idea of raising skills by using them, 3) No Auto Targeting, 4) Can enjoy First Person View, and 5) Can deal with full loot drops upon death. If it's a yes to all that, you'd be crazy to pass this game up. It's not just good; it's the best game I"ve played since UO and Darktide in Asherons Call.
-CC
"Lately it occurs to me,
what a long, strange trip it's been". -Hunter
The most important thing is to join a mature, stable, and helpful clan (look for one at forums) in order to succeed in this game. It will be much more difficult as a solo new player. I can't wait to transfer to NA!!!
You may want to look further under the hood of the posts against DFO. For example, if the person has hundreds of posts on this forum and for months has only made negative remarks, you really should ask yourself how much to heart to take their comments.
The game at release in EU, and even up to a month ago, we "ify" at best for the average player. The improvements on every level have been so dramatic that I can only suggest you stop listening and try the game IF..... 1) You love PvP, 2) Love the idea of raising skills by using them, 3) No Auto Targeting, 4) Can enjoy First Person View, and 5) Can deal with full loot drops upon death. If it's a yes to all that, you'd be crazy to pass this game up. It's not just good; it's the best game I"ve played since UO and Darktide in Asherons Call.
-CC
No offense China, but they also need to look under the hood of the completely pro DFO posts AS WELL, because there is BS being slung on both sides of the fence, and while you brought up some points for playing DF, you didn't touch some of their other concerns, like are there enough people for clan warfare, politics and the like (as he asked a few scant posts after that one).
As for those concerns, personally, I'm not in a position to give answers, but there seem to be quite a few suggestions of erring on the side of caution and waiting a month or so, and if you want to play it safe, that sounds like a good bit of advice.
If you want more detailed information on the DF experience, you could try the blogs of Paragus, his stuff reads a little fanboish to me, but seems to at least have some solid info. If you want to read the experiences of a former fan turned nonplayer, you can check out the Spouse Aggro! blogs on this site by beauturkey, and if you want to read the blogs of someone who seems to have an on again off again relationship with the game, check out the below link:
http://www.keenandgraev.com/?cat=169
Hope those at least lead you to some good info to help you in the decision making process.
I'm not sure where you draw the conclusion of not enough people for clan wars. If you looked at any of the political maps, it obviously was flourishing. If you are basing it on a perceived sense of population recently, way too early to draw that conclusion. As one who loves the game, I pretty much stopped playing a month ago waiting for NA to go up, and I'm sure I'm not alone. Sure, folks can wait for reports from the front, but most players prefer to start as close to a server start as possible. Not for me to decide.
-CC
"Lately it occurs to me,
what a long, strange trip it's been". -Hunter
If you are talking to me, reread my post, I never drew that conclusion, and neither did they (not trying to attack, stating this as a point of clarification). They were just curious about if there were enough people and I just restated the question.
Sure, they can start "fresh" on the front (if there is such a thing on the EU server at this point), but if there aren't enough people for their tastes, then what good does that do them? They can err or spend $50, but if they are posing the question here, they seem to be at least leaning towards erring.
You may want to look further under the hood of the posts against DFO. For example, if the person has hundreds of posts on this forum and for months has only made negative remarks, you really should ask yourself how much to heart to take their comments.
The game at release in EU, and even up to a month ago, we "ify" at best for the average player. The improvements on every level have been so dramatic that I can only suggest you stop listening and try the game IF..... 1) You love PvP, 2) Love the idea of raising skills by using them, 3) No Auto Targeting, 4) Can enjoy First Person View, and 5) Can deal with full loot drops upon death. If it's a yes to all that, you'd be crazy to pass this game up. It's not just good; it's the best game I"ve played since UO and Darktide in Asherons Call.
-CC
OMG my sides hurt after reading this.
The EU server had a list of clans and the amount of people in each alliance. I would wait till a list of similar nature is made up before you decide to purchase. I would not say politics does not play a role but the one with the zerg wins and by nature people like to feel protected. It would be nice to see clan to clan wars but I do not see that happening in the near future.
"You may want to look further under the hood of the posts against DFO. For example, if the person has hundreds of posts on this forum and for months has only made negative remarks, you really should ask yourself how much to heart to take their comments.
Yes, and that goes both ways - there are several DF fans here that constantly overlook the flaws of the game and defend it beyond a logical manner.
And if you look at the really nasty remarks said in the debates between its fans and those that find it less than perfect, it's the fans that are the mean-spirited posters ( as an after thought, you actually won't find so many of their posts, as the Mods have deleted so many of them and you'll only that some of those that post insulting, snarky comments only post between bans )
As far as the OP is concerned, it might be the style of game he is intersted in. As to population and critical mass of players, well personally i felt that it was lacking even when i played it, but i feel that darkfall needs a high concurrent population to really shine. I cant say what the numbers were they just felt light to me, after the first month or two, and seemed to be falling. That said if you want politics and clan warfare then the game probably holds something for you. No one knows how EU will turn out in the next 90 days. Many NA players have either quit or rerolled, or are waiting on transfers in 90 days. If you play on EU times, then your probably better off then many of us were in june, where the world felt empty.
The poster about darkfalls pros was pretty accurate. That said, if your not willing to AFK macro/grind endlessly you wont be competitive at all in clan warfare. while the pvp is fun, many of the tedious aspects of the game are not fun. So if you have alot of time to invest, are willing to macro, grind, use bloodwalls, and all the other negative things in DF to progress then you should be fine. As a new player your also going to suffer repeated deaths, unless you get into a secure clan city. In the end DF is a group game, as an individual your going to suffer and have a much harder time in anything you do. Until you can get high level archery, and some decent magic skills, and can get your health up to the high 200s, your going to die very fast to any experienced player who is at least average at FPS combat.
DO u WANT to play Darkfall or u dont?!?
Are those 50 euros that AV asks for will going to stop you? I spend this for a dinner or movie wtf!
There are people on EU1, there are wars and sieges and random pvp.. there is adrenaline rush as i never felt before (maybe in EvE, but in DF its more close and personal )
I dont think anyone here can decide based on people opinions.. untill u try it yourself you will never know if thats the game u want to invest next few months/years in or no.
in any case.. you have alternative if u want FPSMMO with full loot pvp, massive battles and huge world.
Take your decision now and dont waist anymore gaming time
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$50 is peanuts money does not mean I should throw it into the sea. There are always something I can spend my next $50 on, and so far I cannot see anything selling for $50 that is remotely less rewarding than buying DF. For one thing, without spending $50 on DF, I am pretty safe from getting mingled with the DF community, and for that alone I feel grateful.
As for adrenaline rush and all those empty ego boasts, too late now. After DAoC, these petty little DF skirmishs are just piss poor stick fights among primitive apes. Like many of the ex-DF gamers said, they are just zergs without tactics or leadership. And only 20vs30. That is less than one encounter in the frontier gates in DAoC days.
1) Do you like constant pvp, if so...then yes
2) Can you live with tons of bugs and broken content...then yes
3) Are you bored of WoW style theme parks...then yes
Basically, DF is by no means perfect, some bugs in game will leave you bashing your head on the wall, but it's different than anything available at the moment and AV has shown they got what it takes to bring the game forward.
Good image about the game is that it was made with budget of 12 million while current top of the line f2p games take 20 million to make.
1) Do you like constant pvp, if so...then yes NO, there is not much pvp inside, as everyone is afk macroing, reports from many gamers already tell us, the world is barren. There are more ppl pvping in any server in any WG in WoW every few hours than the total number of people pvping in the entire DF server. There are thousands of people pvping in those asian grinders, more people than the total server population of DF. So NO. If you want to pvp actively, not pvp on these message boards, go play another game.
2) Can you live with tons of bugs and broken content...then yes But do you want to pay to live with those? IF not, play a F2P game. Fact is, it is hard to find a F2P game with more bugs and broken content than DF, and they are free at least.
3) Are you bored of WoW style theme parks...then yes Then find a good game. Do not fall into the trap by DF fanboys trying to present DF as the alternate to WoW. No way. DF does not deserve to be discussed alongside WoW. They are trying to play into the anti-WoWish sentiments. IF you do not like WoW, look for another game, try EQ, CoX, WAR, DAoC, EvE, AoC ... in no specific order. Lots of things to try, but not DF.
Basically, DF is by no means perfect, some bugs in game will leave you bashing your head on the wall, but it's different than anything available at the moment and AV has shown they got what it takes to bring the game forward.
Good image about the game is that it was made with budget of 12 million while current top of the line f2p games take 20 million to make.
Top line of F2P games? Lol. DF is an embarassment for a $12m project. Any game with a project of $10m's will have a proper launch, proper dissemination channel, proper website, variety in game, more than 1 character per account and so on. Many games with a fraction of that budget have far less issues and turd than DF.
Come on, tell me a game that is worst than DF and not yet folded up. Tabula Rasa is sad and gone, Hellgate London is dead, but to me, those 2 games are still complete and bug free relatively. And they are already dead. What makes DF? Worse than a dead game.
This to be honest. It's the best PVP MMO around and it is nothing like WOW, it is the anti-WOW. 50 bucks isn't even a night out for me, and really, noone can tell you whether you will like Darkfall or not, you just have to try it and find out. Good luck.
My advice is, If you are unsure, wait until you get a free trial. Im interested in this game but after VG and AoC I learned my lesson, try before buy, always.
Edit: And if they are really bleeding customers as some say, they will probably enable free trials soon.