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DF Forum Mods Delete 300 post thread regarding NA publisher
The mods over at the DF forums just outright deleted a 300 post thread asking who the Darkfall publisher for North America was.
I started the thread asking for information on the NA publisher, not because I wanted to catch AV out in any sort of lie, but because I have had personal bad experiences with GOA as the EU publisher for Dark Age of Camelot, and wanted to know just who exactly would be controlling the NA server before making any purchase there.
My question was asked nicely, I also sent numerous emails to aventurine asking for the information, using the same reason, and have received no response from them.
There is a definite official restriction of information regarding this topic by AV, and I would highly recommend anyone considering purchasing the NA client to be very careful, as the whole issue appears very suspicious.
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Ok I have a question for you folks playing this. WHY
MAGA
I think the only way they're going to get out of this one is if they own up that they did in fact lie about the NA publisher and NOT charge people for the NA client. This entire thing is bogus and that's coming from a neutral onlooker. I have supported neutrally and have played the game without bias but enough is enough.
Nah, the publisher must have pulled out. That is bad publicity so Tasos keeps the lid on, as he usually does when bad things happening.
But the reason people play is the same reason that I play EQ2 even though SOE and Smadley publishes it: if you have fun you will still play a game, you don't have to defend the devs every stupid desision, you just have to have a good time.
Why some people defend a company whatever happens is another thing, but playing a game as long as you have fun is nothing wrong at all.
Didn't some moderator claim at the end that the publisher was GNI (the server hosting company) and then close the thread? If so, that's some funny reading. Anyone with half a brain can look at GNI's press release regarding it and see that they are only providing server hosting..not actual publishing. AV must have seen what their own moderator said and decided to just delete the entire thread.
Just buy the NA license with PayPal and you will see who the publisher is and who the money goes directly to.
No accounting department, clearing house, processing company, bank, etc. just directly to tasos@aventurine.com.
Didn't believe it myself until my friend that just won' t listen went ahead and ordered it and sure as shit.
Just gotta wonder why the PayPal account wasn't formed as a business account but as a personal account. I have been a PayPal member since they started, and keep my business account separate from my personal account, so I sent them an email asking about the account and directing them to the fraud alerts that have been posted by CC companies.
Should be interesting to see what comes back from them.
Because Tasos plans to make off with the money secretly leaving all the AV staff in a lurch without ever paying any of them?
scammy is as scammy does?
Terafis, you are a buffoon.
You mean the thread entitled "Can we please know who the NA publisher is? My purchase depends on this information"?
The one written by Lobsterlulu? It had 106 replies, so 107 posts in total.
Yes, it's a major conspiracy by the Reverse Vampires and Lobster People to stop you knowing who the publisher is. Wake up to yourself.
Feel free to warn people who are thinking about the game but won't buy a game based on a publisher.
who cares about publisher
ppl dont buy this game becouse it suck
now all "DF fans" will curse me
becouse they bought the game and dont want to agree they lost thier money
my good man, u are an idiot,
first, i see more than enough replies for la grand conspiracy. I know for a fact ppl are playing and doing just fine.
second, how do you know this detailed information. is your life so empty that you watch what comes in, what goes out on the forum. seriously, go ride a bike, play ball, something.
I self identify as a monkey.
Uhm, it costs a huge amount of money to make a MMO, even a bugged one. and 12M euro was just what they got from EU, they probably used more.
But Df have been in development longer than most MMOs and that costs a load of money, salaries, hardware, software, rent and much more. To compare Warhammer online costed 80M dollars (and that is pre launch) and they developed it a lot faster even if Mythic is bigger.
No, they are really broke by now, 6K players or whatever they have is not enough to run anything, they must lose a lot of money every month. So I don't belive Tasos have a huge bank account. And I doubt they can afford to actually run the game much longer unless omeone invest in them or they get 10 times as much players.
No, people quit the game because they have that opinion.
Since there is no free trial the rest cant really be sure of that. But bad reviews from most gaming sites and many ex players does not really encourage people, and the fact that the game cost a lot and have very few players and no commercials whatsoever doesn't help either.
terafis if you like playing DF why do you care who publishes it? Just enjoy the game
You know there are many mature people playing DF and enjoying it a lot.
Your generalizing assumption about DF fans makes you look like to be the type you blame others to be.
Actually the thread was locked, re-opened and then finally deleted. People really do want to know who the NA publisher is, who has the NA rights to DFO because Aventurine justified requiring NA players to pay again after they were told they would not have to because Aventurine did not have the NA rights to DFO and because Aventurine was not the NA publisher.
When people found out the money was in fact going to Aventurine and not another company it became important to know who the publisher is. No one believes Lobsterlulu needed to know who the publisher was before buying the game simply because thats how he or she does things. But with the several threads that were deleted prior to that one I imagine it was an atempt to ask without the thread being locked or deleted.
And no that was not the only thread locked and or deleted asking the same thing.
Aventurine stated they did not control NA rights to DFO and were not the NA publisher for DFO and that is why NA players must rebuy the client. Players have found information indicating they are the ones recieving payment for NA DFO clients being purchased. Now everyone wants to know if AV isn't the publisher who is? If AV does not own the rights to NA DFO, who does?
One mod tried saying it was GNi, which was funny in itself. Right now it's all about Damage control. So no thread asking about the NA publisher is likely to have a long life span simply because Aventurine seems to have been caught in a lie, and that lie is there whole basis for requiring an additional client purchase from NA players.
So to those that do not understand, that is the reason for so many asking and demanding to know who the NA publisher is.
for most people its not the publishers name that matters
what matters is that AV simply wont tell the truth.
It was a lot more than a hundred posts when they deleted it, but regardless they still have not provided any information about the publisher and continue to delete any threads asking about it.
If it's not a problem, why won't they tell us, and why continue to restrict any discussion about it?
It was a lot more than a hundred posts when they deleted it, but regardless they still have not provided any information about the publisher and continue to delete any threads asking about it.
If it's not a problem, why won't they tell us, and why continue to restrict any discussion about it?
Because they justified NA players that purchased the EU version needing to purchase a whole new copy or wait a few months to pay a server transfer cost with the base that they have no control over the NA publisher.
Which so far seems to indicate Aventurine in fact is in charge of the NA server.
Take your own conclusions based on this, because its the only official information we have so far, the Tasos post regarding the NA release and the PayPal bills going to Aventurine.
It was a lot more than a hundred posts when they deleted it, but regardless they still have not provided any information about the publisher and continue to delete any threads asking about it.
If it's not a problem, why won't they tell us, and why continue to restrict any discussion about it?
I'm looking at the thread right now. So it can't have been deleted. It has 106 replies. Adding your original post (as Lobsterlulu) makes 107 posts in that thread. So yes, you must be aware it has over 300!!! Stop giving misleading information out.
If they wanted you to know, they would post it.
If that doesn't suit you, why not find a game where the Developers will answer any question you wish to ask? Or, if you actually play what difference does it make?
If DFO Is really as bad as I have been reading, then why has no one sued them for false advertisement? Especially this last bit about the publisher, them directly lying, and then stealing(yes this would be stealing technically if they took money while lying). Makes no sense to me whatsoever, grant it I don't know if you can sue a company in another country. But with them selling to NA players I could see that working out since we gave them the rights to sell here *shrug*.
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It was a lot more than a hundred posts when they deleted it, but regardless they still have not provided any information about the publisher and continue to delete any threads asking about it.
If it's not a problem, why won't they tell us, and why continue to restrict any discussion about it?
I'm looking at the thread right now. So it can't have been deleted. It has 106 replies. Adding your original post (as Lobsterlulu) makes 107 posts in that thread. So yes, you must be aware it has over 300!!! Stop giving misleading information out.
If they wanted you to know, they would post it.
If that doesn't suit you, why not find a game where the Developers will answer any question you wish to ask? Or, if you actually play what difference does it make?
How can you be looking at that thread when it was deleted. I just made another search and it is completely gone, so unless you are a moderator, you cannot be looking at it. Are you a Darkfall Forum mod?
My whole point in asking the NA publisher question was so I could decide whether I wanted to play DFO. Obviously this whole process of lies and cover ups and deleted threads has made me decide to steer way clear of this particular ponzi scheme
Nothing new here. DF mods have always been complete asses when it comes to censorship. Its how Tasos keeps the subs going for this game with his level of spin. Ironically massive asshats are allowed to post all manner of stupidity on the DF forums but anything well written is removed.
Questions... are not allowed.
Come on, even Smedley is better to communicate with the players. It is obvious that the publisher pulled out and still Tasos continue like nothing is wrong. Who is the PR person of Avi, Bagdad bob?
If you like the game you should play it of course but even you must admit that Avi are one of the worst companys with informing their players about what is happening around the game.
And this have really nothing to do if the game is good or bad, but a simple statement would have stopped this issue, and everything would have been cool. Now most people don't believe anything they say instead.
So it turns out Voodoo Hoodoo is a mod over at the darkfall forums, as he deleted my new thread asking who the NA publisher is, and gave me an infraction for asking it on top
Here's a question for you Mr. Darkfall Moderator - why are you deleting the threads asking this legitimate question, is it a direction given to you from Aventurine?
And secondly how can you even have one scrap of self respect by being the online enforcer of this travesty of a scam company?
Just disgraceful
Without taking side on who's right or who's wrong, I'll only remark that I indeed could not locate the aforementionned thread either, and I tried various strings and even a search on the poster name. So it indeed looks like it has been deleted.
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