Most gamers these days seem to want their online games to be like fast food buffet. They want it in the shortest time possible, with all the food to choose from, with the smallest effort possible. Then when they get fat they complain about how bad the food is.
I really like this analogy. What I like is that in response to a huge rise in obesity (WoW in MMO terms) a huge rise in health food and alternatives comes into play. So if WoW sucks all these people in and they don't want anymore of the same and it stops selling then new alternatives will rise up and make the genre more interesing.
Still Aion is not a WoW clone. It clones parts of WoW for parts of it's game (specifically the first part) because it sees how well WoW drew in subs, and then it combines elements of Lineage 2 and DAoC for the rest of the game. DAoC and Lineage 2 were two great games and were vastly different from WoW.
So if we keep going with your analogy you could say that a health food place drawing in the masses by offering an all you can eat buffet, but then once they get a seat and go to the buffet all of the food is healthy, low in fat and calories, etc. then I would call the people who came up with that idea pretty smart. You can't just change the world overnight. Everything happens slowly over time. You have to ease people into things. If Aion draws people in with an easy and familiar experience and then guides the players into more PvP/RvR with an end game that is vastly different from WoW then kudos to them. I like the mid to end game they have created. I don't like the first levels which is why I will only make 1 char for the life of the game to avoid it.
I hate buffets, but if I have to go to one to end up getting the type of healthy food I love and they are successful enough to open a chain of restaraunts around the world so I can eat it in my city, or my parents small town then that works for me.
I guess you could say PVP / RVR is different then wow though I really don't see much difference from a BG and RVR IMHO. Anyway I hope the game does well for it sure would be nice to see a game other then Wow do well in North America. Your post made me hungry.
Do the patch notes say anything about the rampant bot problem?
Nah brah, when games fix bot problems they don't talk about it.
Remember when WoW had DM north bot farmers? Weeks maybe months after they trashed the economy they finally fixed it, their damage control was to stifle the servers capabilities to form multiple servers per hour, eventually they finally fixed the problem a few weeks (a month or two) later.
Just to let all u s called experst know, nothing is ORIGINAL unless it was first invented thousands of years ago or unless you came up with the idea recently etc. Toikens ideas are not original, Dnd is not original, hell Star wars is not original it is based of a 1950's Japanese love story movie. Nothing is orignal, games movies books etc etc just put new twists and their own teists on things to try improve on things if they can.
Never said wow was original. Let me ask you this.....Would you say Warhammer, AOC, LOTRO, is more like Wow or classic EQ? I bet you will find more that say Wow by a long shot. That is where wow clone comes from. I wish more games were like classic EQ so we could have a challenge in a game again while leveling instead of this sleep walk race to the end game so we can raid over and over again for gear.
I do miss the lvl of challenge in EQ. I was an awesome damn Wizard after a lot of time and work I have yet to feel quite the same lvl of exhilaration as I did when first playing that game. I loved the early evolution to WoW after tiring of EQ, specificalyl due to the wonderful solutions they came up with for banking, mail, the AH, instances, group pvp, etc. WoW is still the only MMO I have played since that made me feel like I was actually part of the fight. That has long since died however.
Good hunting,
Malikye Now Playing: WaW2 Played: EQ - 5.5 yrs, WoW - 4.5 yrs, Diablo, Myth2, Tried: AoC (played it about 3 times that month), WAR (fun for a month), RoM (sorta, Aion (for 2 months), Allods (bored at lvl 13). Waiting for: DC Universe, Diablo 3 Own: Atari 2600, NES, Game Boy, GBA SP, Dreamcast, PS2, Xbox, Modded Xbox, Wii, PS3, PSP, gaming PCs Sold like a dumb@$$: SNES Broke: PS1 Melted in a fire: Turbograhpx 16 w/ a ton of games Gave Away to a child: Nintendo 64
Do the patch notes say anything about the rampant bot problem?
The GMs for the NA version say they will be very strict and ban all botters that are caught and they will be looking for them very closely. This question was answered many times on the beta board.
Asian games suffer from bots all the time, but NA versions are usually much more strict in a P2P game.
Every game has bots/hacks it is up to the players to report and GMS/Devs to get rid of them. Also, you can steal mobs in this game so if you see a botter steal his mobs, kill him if opposing faction and report him so he will be banned.
I guess you never played through the "Rift" or any of the endgame areas of LotRO. I've been in a few Kinships(guilds) that have classic eq players in them, they tell me LotRO's lvl 60 dungeons are the hardest they played in years, some to even say they make eq dungeons end boss feel easy.
It's true. Lotro's lvl 60 endgame content is really tough, so much so that a month or two after the addition of the latest multi-boss raid you can still count on one hand the number of kinships (guilds) worldwide that have beaten the final boss. The thing that Turbine does beautifully is employ strategy & teamwork in their fights -- very few raid bosses or even dungeon content in lotro is the standard 'tank & spank'. You can't just run in with a powerhouse group and dps the boss down, you have to employ arcane skills of each class and figure out the trick to each boss and you must have the proper class distribution in your group or you simply will not succeed. It's that attention to detail and fine-tuning that kept me satisfied in lotro for the last 2 years.
If Aion can match that level of detail and prove to me it's a "thinking man's mmo" they've got a fan for life.
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I really like this analogy. What I like is that in response to a huge rise in obesity (WoW in MMO terms) a huge rise in health food and alternatives comes into play. So if WoW sucks all these people in and they don't want anymore of the same and it stops selling then new alternatives will rise up and make the genre more interesing.
Still Aion is not a WoW clone. It clones parts of WoW for parts of it's game (specifically the first part) because it sees how well WoW drew in subs, and then it combines elements of Lineage 2 and DAoC for the rest of the game. DAoC and Lineage 2 were two great games and were vastly different from WoW.
So if we keep going with your analogy you could say that a health food place drawing in the masses by offering an all you can eat buffet, but then once they get a seat and go to the buffet all of the food is healthy, low in fat and calories, etc. then I would call the people who came up with that idea pretty smart. You can't just change the world overnight. Everything happens slowly over time. You have to ease people into things. If Aion draws people in with an easy and familiar experience and then guides the players into more PvP/RvR with an end game that is vastly different from WoW then kudos to them. I like the mid to end game they have created. I don't like the first levels which is why I will only make 1 char for the life of the game to avoid it.
I hate buffets, but if I have to go to one to end up getting the type of healthy food I love and they are successful enough to open a chain of restaraunts around the world so I can eat it in my city, or my parents small town then that works for me.
I guess you could say PVP / RVR is different then wow though I really don't see much difference from a BG and RVR IMHO. Anyway I hope the game does well for it sure would be nice to see a game other then Wow do well in North America. Your post made me hungry.
Lol. well thats good to know, kinda turns me on to play now,,
Still cloud hair is not a good thing, i dont wanna see 1234234 cloud clones around named Narutox23424
If you watch The Karate Kid backwards it's about this karate champ that just kinda slowly becomes a pussy and ends up moving back to Jersey
Do the patch notes say anything about the rampant bot problem?
Nah brah, when games fix bot problems they don't talk about it.
Remember when WoW had DM north bot farmers? Weeks maybe months after they trashed the economy they finally fixed it, their damage control was to stifle the servers capabilities to form multiple servers per hour, eventually they finally fixed the problem a few weeks (a month or two) later.
U mad?
Never said wow was original. Let me ask you this.....Would you say Warhammer, AOC, LOTRO, is more like Wow or classic EQ? I bet you will find more that say Wow by a long shot. That is where wow clone comes from. I wish more games were like classic EQ so we could have a challenge in a game again while leveling instead of this sleep walk race to the end game so we can raid over and over again for gear.
I do miss the lvl of challenge in EQ. I was an awesome damn Wizard after a lot of time and work
I have yet to feel quite the same lvl of exhilaration as I did when first playing that game. I loved the early evolution to WoW after tiring of EQ, specificalyl due to the wonderful solutions they came up with for banking, mail, the AH, instances, group pvp, etc. WoW is still the only MMO I have played since that made me feel like I was actually part of the fight. That has long since died however.
Good hunting,
Malikye
Now Playing: WaW2
Played: EQ - 5.5 yrs, WoW - 4.5 yrs, Diablo, Myth2,
Tried: AoC (played it about 3 times that month), WAR (fun for a month), RoM (sorta, Aion (for 2 months), Allods (bored at lvl 13).
Waiting for: DC Universe, Diablo 3
Own: Atari 2600, NES, Game Boy, GBA SP, Dreamcast, PS2, Xbox, Modded Xbox, Wii, PS3, PSP, gaming PCs
Sold like a dumb@$$: SNES
Broke: PS1
Melted in a fire: Turbograhpx 16 w/ a ton of games
Gave Away to a child: Nintendo 64
The GMs for the NA version say they will be very strict and ban all botters that are caught and they will be looking for them very closely. This question was answered many times on the beta board.
Asian games suffer from bots all the time, but NA versions are usually much more strict in a P2P game.
Every game has bots/hacks it is up to the players to report and GMS/Devs to get rid of them. Also, you can steal mobs in this game so if you see a botter steal his mobs, kill him if opposing faction and report him so he will be banned.
GAME TIL YOU DIE!!!!
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It's true. Lotro's lvl 60 endgame content is really tough, so much so that a month or two after the addition of the latest multi-boss raid you can still count on one hand the number of kinships (guilds) worldwide that have beaten the final boss. The thing that Turbine does beautifully is employ strategy & teamwork in their fights -- very few raid bosses or even dungeon content in lotro is the standard 'tank & spank'. You can't just run in with a powerhouse group and dps the boss down, you have to employ arcane skills of each class and figure out the trick to each boss and you must have the proper class distribution in your group or you simply will not succeed. It's that attention to detail and fine-tuning that kept me satisfied in lotro for the last 2 years.
If Aion can match that level of detail and prove to me it's a "thinking man's mmo" they've got a fan for life.
considering its focus on PVP you'll have to wait for games like FFXIV i'd say.
One say it is the greatest game and a WOW killa, and other say it is trash and boring... now who can I believe? lol
Believe in your own opinion, play it and make you own judgments.
Most of the people that talk in here are full of bias. Including me
If you watch The Karate Kid backwards it's about this karate champ that just kinda slowly becomes a pussy and ends up moving back to Jersey
