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Ad bots in Aion - say goodbye to the chat channels
If our little spammy friend has proven somthing Aion IS a hot topic atm and sadly the ad bots are already out in force even BEFORE the release, this is a huge problem and I'd hate to be seeing the game on release day.
Sadly if Aion IS as popular as it's seems to be and seeing that this game is from Eastern origins the farmers probly already know the way around the base codes and we know that gameguard is basically usless, so the sad fact is we're going to be walking in to bot ceneral unless the GMs at least are on 24/7 watch for them.
Take WoW for example after 4 years you STILL need a mod that blocks the ads for you and the sellers are still in force even on my server they've teleport exploted bodies into Stormwind to form a website address to their sales site and it's being cleared at least once a day and it still pops up 10 mins later.. and this is from the people how HAVE the money to develop new means of blocking the ads and spam.
Aion isn't really going to be rolling in cash for some time to actally find ways for dealing with them on top imporoving the game itself and as much as I would love to play Aion for it's community parts, I dought theres going to be one as it's likly to be buried under spam, I'm just hoping theres a creative dev in the team thats got some novel way of dealing with the bots - wasn't it Rapples that sent bots to 'hell', I'm hoping Aion has something like it under the hood 
I hate to say this but as much as many are uneasy or even hate the idea RMT in our pay to play MMOs but at least it does one positive thing - makes sellers useless, I mean why buy gold for your epic mount when you can buy your epic mount direct from the dev? Sad fact is that the famers wont give up spamming our games as it['s been proven a LOT of people use that 'market', like I said RMT may be the logical way to solve the problem - if it is a damn well hope it's not misused or thats the mmo furture in the bin if our only choice is getting spammed to death buy farmers or getting ripped off by devs.
Bring on the WARRRRGGHH!
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Lol own thread got spammed. Ouch.
Fanbot excuse: Every MMO has them, NCSoft doesn't have a Bot problem anymore, kthxbai RMT troll.
If you can't beat them, join them?
What would happen if your local police force adopted that strategy?
A game has rules. People being able to pay to play by different rules will never sit well with the majority of players.
I think we all know that like crime in the real-world, RMT will probably persist in MMOs regardless of the best efforts to stamp it out. But when MMOs stop trying to stamp it out and get into the RMT business themselves - especially when they're charging subscriptions - that's like paying taxes to the government for essential services and then having them extort extra from you.
If the whole market goes that way - which I doubt will happen - I'll just stop MMO'ing.
Sigh.. this is the reason i barely post here anymore, display conserns about a good game, admit somthing that isb widly unpopulasr atm may be a solution and get labeled a troll...
Plus stating NCSoft doesn't have a bot problem anymore is a very blanket cooment, when even tho guild wars it may have clamed down since the start but it's still there, CoX was never THAT popular for the farmers to 'profit' from them and L2 was and probly is plagued with level 'trains', to state that and assume that Aion with it's popularity and current numbers in the east is somehow 'immune' from them? Sorry... 'WHA?'
Yes I didn't bow down and claim that Aion is the '2nd comming' or it's 'perfect' and sadly yea RMT may be a problable deterant from farmers dispite unpopular it is, but I'm hardly a troll.
Bring on the WARRRRGGHH!
Sigh.. this is the reason i barely post here anymore, display conserns about a good game, admit somthing that isb widly unpopulasr atm may be a solution and get labeled a troll...
Plus stating NCSoft doesn't have a bot problem anymore is a very blanket cooment, when even tho guild wars it may have clamed down since the start but it's still there, CoX was never THAT popular for the farmers to 'profit' from them and L2 was and probly is plagued with level 'trains', to state that and assume that Aion with it's popularity and current numbers in the east is somehow 'immune' from them? Sorry... 'WHA?'
Yes I didn't bow down and claim that Aion is the '2nd comming' or it's 'perfect' and sadly yea RMT may be a problable deterant from farmers dispite unpopular it is, but I'm hardly a troll.
I am pretty sure Comnitus was being facetious but then again I have been wrong before.
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LOTRO has always had a good system. I wish other games would learn and adopt. You can right-click on a spammers name in the chat window and click an option to report them for gold selling. Doing that immediately puts them in your ignore list. If enough people do the same thing a GM is notified. Everything is done behind the scenes so you don't need to create a ticket, and the GMs don't get flooded with 100 different tickets for the same problem.
I've been playing on the Chinese servers and last night the majority of my general chat messages were gold spam. I'm not sure if NCSoft West will be taking a more harsh stance than their Eastern co-workers.
Sigh.. this is the reason i barely post here anymore, display conserns about a good game, admit somthing that isb widly unpopulasr atm may be a solution and get labeled a troll...
Plus stating NCSoft doesn't have a bot problem anymore is a very blanket cooment, when even tho guild wars it may have clamed down since the start but it's still there, CoX was never THAT popular for the farmers to 'profit' from them and L2 was and probly is plagued with level 'trains', to state that and assume that Aion with it's popularity and current numbers in the east is somehow 'immune' from them? Sorry... 'WHA?'
Yes I didn't bow down and claim that Aion is the '2nd comming' or it's 'perfect' and sadly yea RMT may be a problable deterant from farmers dispite unpopular it is, but I'm hardly a troll.
I didn't say I agreed with that excuse. I just summed up what would be the general fan defense, if they don't agree with you.
Me personally? I think the best way to deal with gold farmers without resorting to RMT is to simply make the gold so abundant and easy to earn that it almost loses all its value. You know, kind of like the US dollar. People might then complain that money is too easy to earn, and there's nothing worthwhile to spend it on. Well, why the hell are you gonna complain about being rich? You don't like money? Hehe.
Even if people extort other people through the AH system by charging, say, 200 gold for that Level 1 gray sword, if you have 3000 Gold on you when you went to the "AH" because money is so easy to earn, you won't care. Then you can laugh at the gold farmers as they try to sell their services in vain.
Then again, I'm sure that even in the system described above, there will be one guy or two who buys gold. Still, there would be alot more idiots buying gold in a game where money was hard to earn and things were overall much more expensive.
actually WoW has the same system for reporting, was started because of that peons site they was friggin horrible.
and yeah i really hope they keep up on it i don't want that shit going on as bad as it is on the chinese servers. when i quit wow i rarely seen it on there, unless you made a new alt, they'd send group invites and spam you in roup chat but that was it. but from what friends tell me now its bad again.
they need to ban the buyers as well.
and before wow added the report system with just a right click, peons was so bad i was using a mod taht blocked all tells from anyone not in my guild or on my buddy list. and it would tell you the password to speak to me, but as we all know its just a bot and never used the password. and if the tell from some one unknown had key words in it like gold,www., buy ect it would automaticly open the help window to the report tab filled it all in for me and i clicked the send. it also auto ignored them too
Sigh.. this is the reason i barely post here anymore, display conserns about a good game, admit somthing that isb widly unpopulasr atm may be a solution and get labeled a troll...
Plus stating NCSoft doesn't have a bot problem anymore is a very blanket cooment, when even tho guild wars it may have clamed down since the start but it's still there, CoX was never THAT popular for the farmers to 'profit' from them and L2 was and probly is plagued with level 'trains', to state that and assume that Aion with it's popularity and current numbers in the east is somehow 'immune' from them? Sorry... 'WHA?'
Yes I didn't bow down and claim that Aion is the '2nd comming' or it's 'perfect' and sadly yea RMT may be a problable deterant from farmers dispite unpopular it is, but I'm hardly a troll.
I didn't say I agreed with that excuse. I just summed up what would be the general fan defense, if they don't agree with you.
Me personally? I think the best way to deal with gold farmers without resorting to RMT is to simply make the gold so abundant and easy to earn that it almost loses all its value. You know, kind of like the US dollar. People might then complain that money is too easy to earn, and there's nothing worthwhile to spend it on. Well, why the hell are you gonna complain about being rich? You don't like money? Hehe.
Even if people extort other people through the AH system by charging, say, 200 gold for that Level 1 gray sword, if you have 3000 Gold on you when you went to the "AH" because money is so easy to earn, you won't care. Then you can laugh at the gold farmers as they try to sell their services in vain.
Then again, I'm sure that even in the system described above, there will be one guy or two who buys gold. Still, there would be alot more idiots buying gold in a game where money was hard to earn and things were overall much more expensive.
Why do people want gold. To use it to buy in-game items (usually rare or at least better than average). All that would happen if gold was plentiful would be the price for rare/good items would be proportionally costed according to how much gold the average gamer could earn, whether thats a little or a lot.
If you can't beat them, join them?
What would happen if your local police force adopted that strategy?
A game has rules. People being able to pay to play by different rules will never sit well with the majority of players.
I think we all know that like crime in the real-world, RMT will probably persist in MMOs regardless of the best efforts to stamp it out. But when MMOs stop trying to stamp it out and get into the RMT business themselves - especially when they're charging subscriptions - that's like paying taxes to the government for essential services and then having them extort extra from you.
If the whole market goes that way - which I doubt will happen - I'll just stop MMO'ing.
I'm also uneasy about that system, but I do see the logic behind it as the poster stated above me as long as theres players willing to pay actal money for gold/items theres going to be a market of the farmer.
Think of it like this they are the MMO 'black market' people goto the black market as it's currently illegal for that certian item and can't get it anywhere else, it's going to happen no matter how much you try to stamp it out but if you legialise that said item and have it over the counter, then at least you've cut out that 'middleman' that does use the money 'wrongly' but the 'govement' can at least control that money and do somthing good...
I'm agreeing with you behind the 'bait and switch' bit but thats only if the people behind it are the 'bait and switch' type if proply governed and done fairly, theres a slim chance it COULD work. Like I said seeing as anything the devs try to stop the farmers they are finding ways around it, annoying the &*^% out of us and wasting OUR MONEY on dev team trying to fix that problem instead of fixing and improving the game itself, perhaps just cutting out the 'middleman' is a probable option..
Another way to look at it is DRM, we ALL HATE IT, but takes Stardocks thoughts on it they don't use DRM as whoever pirates would pirate anyway reguardless of the DRM involed, so the pirate wouldn't be a sale for them anyway those that would be a sale WILL buy the product. Same could be said about the gold buyers they aren't going to grind of the gold to buy the item they just want the item NOW - so why not just give them it 'NOW'...
Like I said it's our catch-22 atm it's either allow the famrers to spam our games to death and waste dev time trying to 'beat' them or trust devs to beat them at their own game and not screw the player over at the same time, either way we could be screwed.
Bring on the WARRRRGGHH!
Sigh.. this is the reason i barely post here anymore, display conserns about a good game, admit somthing that isb widly unpopulasr atm may be a solution and get labeled a troll...
Plus stating NCSoft doesn't have a bot problem anymore is a very blanket cooment, when even tho guild wars it may have clamed down since the start but it's still there, CoX was never THAT popular for the farmers to 'profit' from them and L2 was and probly is plagued with level 'trains', to state that and assume that Aion with it's popularity and current numbers in the east is somehow 'immune' from them? Sorry... 'WHA?'
Yes I didn't bow down and claim that Aion is the '2nd comming' or it's 'perfect' and sadly yea RMT may be a problable deterant from farmers dispite unpopular it is, but I'm hardly a troll.
I didn't say I agreed with that excuse. I just summed up what would be the general fan defense, if they don't agree with you.
Me personally? I think the best way to deal with gold farmers without resorting to RMT is to simply make the gold so abundant and easy to earn that it almost loses all its value. You know, kind of like the US dollar. People might then complain that money is too easy to earn, and there's nothing worthwhile to spend it on. Well, why the hell are you gonna complain about being rich? You don't like money? Hehe.
Even if people extort other people through the AH system by charging, say, 200 gold for that Level 1 gray sword, if you have 3000 Gold on you when you went to the "AH" because money is so easy to earn, you won't care. Then you can laugh at the gold farmers as they try to sell their services in vain.
Then again, I'm sure that even in the system described above, there will be one guy or two who buys gold. Still, there would be alot more idiots buying gold in a game where money was hard to earn and things were overall much more expensive.
Why do people want gold. To use it to buy in-game items (usually rare or at least better than average). All that would happen if gold was plentiful would be the price for rare/good items would be proportionally costed according to how much gold the average gamer could earn, whether thats a little or a lot.
If money wasn't as vital, then the only reason to do something like that would be greed. I'm sure some people would do it, but they'd be beat out by people who undercut the prices by charging 10% less or 20% less if the first person charged a ridiculous amount. People will buy the lowest priced item, whether they're rich or poor.
Like I said, there's still people who'd buy that gold from the farmers, but at least I think that the number of cases would be reduced compared to a game where money was hard to earn and things were overall much more expensive.
actually WoW has the same system for reporting, was started because of that peons site they was friggin horrible.
and yeah i really hope they keep up on it i don't want that shit going on as bad as it is on the chinese servers. when i quit wow i rarely seen it on there, unless you made a new alt, they'd send group invites and spam you in roup chat but that was it. but from what friends tell me now its bad again.
they need to ban the buyers as well.
and before wow added the report system with just a right click, peons was so bad i was using a mod taht blocked all tells from anyone not in my guild or on my buddy list. and it would tell you the password to speak to me, but as we all know its just a bot and never used the password. and if the tell from some one unknown had key words in it like gold,www., buy ect it would automaticly open the help window to the report tab filled it all in for me and i clicked the send. it also auto ignored them too
The problem with the report system by time the account has been actally banned their site has already had a sale and the loss of the account is barely skin of thier nose so they just buy a new account. I'd 100% agree with you the 'ban the buyer' thing works I know CCP do that with EVE, but with belts titened to the point of breaking atm, I dought the 'suits' pulling the dev's strings atm would like to 'loose a sale', this is why the RMT option is comming into play, we're all on egdfe about it, it's ALL down to how the system is handled.
Bring on the WARRRRGGHH!
For normal items sure but rare, hard to get items will always be more expensive. And people arent going to be undercutting you or they wouldnt be rare in the first place.
And i wouldnt say everyone who buys gold is greedy. Some time poor people (those with full time jobs/families/etc) who want to be able to compete in a gear based pvp mmo are going to see spending what amounts to an hours work in real life as a tempting alternative to spending a couple days in game farming some coin.
If money wasn't as vital, then the only reason to do something like that would be greed. I'm sure some people would do it, but they'd be beat out by people who undercut the prices by charging 10% less or 20% less if the first person charged a ridiculous amount. People will buy the lowest priced item, whether they're rich or poor.
Like I said, there's still people who'd buy that gold from the farmers, but at least I think that the number of cases would be reduced compared to a game where money was hard to earn and things were overall much more expensive.
Even in a player controled market (ala EVE), it's ALL down to greed, the major factor is supply and demand, making gold easier to optain means anything requiring gold itself would be just as easy to gain, thus making the job of the dev hardfer as they still need to make content we can't just steam through within the week it's released. Level based MMOs are the hardest hit by this atm, you can't work your team to death bringing out content to 'keep up' with the players, AND balance the content, AND fix it.
That said you can't really stop the farmers via making the game no gold but loot dropable - that just flips it from gold seeling to account selling, the core goal here is NOT to give a famrer anything to sell, which is kinda hard overwise the MMO could be very dull =/
Bring on the WARRRRGGHH!
The only that seem to accept RMT as the "way of the future" seems to be the rich people and the ones that want to profit from it. Stop trying to bring money power into the play field, it's a PLAY field, why care enough to spend hundreds of dollars on it? It's even more disturbing than the ones that think RMT is merely a greed move and won't play a game because developers officially use them. Good times when spending time on games meant having fun, not growing e-peens to make rich people envious and willing to purchase their way through the lack of time they face to "compete" against the people with time.
Our spamming friend was announcing Kinah sales for the Chinese version. And the Chinese publisher for Aion doesn't give a sh*t about gold farmers, hence the global chat channels are completely destroyed there.
Ayase keeps saying they'll be very harsh on gold sellers and will use a zero-tolerance policy on them, perhaps even on buyers too. I still don't understand why someone risks his account and his months of play on a shady shortcut, is this all in the name of "fun"? I guess murderers get their "fun" too when they do their illegal actions...
I just wish the companies would get more serious against people profiting on their tails, not by stealing their profit but shutting down their damn activity. And the major thing you can do to help is not spend a single cent on them, if you find them to be too big in the game, simply stop playing it. It's the message that players don't want RMT. Trust me, keep supporting RMTs and these things will evolve way beyond your money budget, after all it must be appealing for the one willing to spend $10000 or more on the games, you won't want to compete with that sort of people, it's like making a pact with the devil only to find yourself exploited later.
To be perfectly honest, I don't recall the chat channels being utilized all that much. It was quite rare, even. Though, I tended to beta on lower population servers to avoid lag issues.