Oh well, clearly the average person is unable to understand the value idea, and the average rap enthusiast refuses to share their love with the real ignorant people.
I thought that a system where dropping:
50 Cent's
You said you a gangster but you never pop nuttin'
We said you a wanksta and you need to stop frontin'
You ain't a friend of mine, (yeah)
You ain't no kin of mine, (nah)
Does almost no damage.
Lil Wayne's
I Wouldn't Care If You Were Prostitutin
That You Hit Every Man That You Ever Knew
See It Wouldnt Make A Difference
If That Was Way Before Me And You Girl
See You Dont Ever Have To Worry About Me
As Long As You Keep It Real
Would do low damage.
Aesop Rock's
Mars attacks wit' electric gats
Not for sapien abduction (what's up then?!)
Billy took a laser to the mug piece; hallowed out the mandible
Channel headquarters order the cannonballs (Mars attacksssss)
FBI demands column to this pigeon ankle
And boomeranging' our harvest; 51st area sickness
Would do good damage.
GZA's
I got a smile that'll make the mirror crack
And I seem to stay under clouds that's pitch black
So when it rains, it pours, and when it pours, I'm soaked
I contracted lung cancer from third hand smoke
And uh, I'm like the frog that's dying to be a prince
The boy who cried wolf and no one was convinced
The man who hit lotto and lost his ticket
In a rainstorm, and struck by lightning trying to get it
Would murder the other player.
God knows how the system would work though.
Oh well, at least there are multiple perspectives of why it would fail... That's sort of comforting to me. I'd hate if everyone was just against it because they hate black culture. The fact some people think that it would cheapen the meaning speaks volumes to me, since I like classic hip hop, and wouldn't want the game to feed the current industry. I was sort of hoping for a new medium to reintroduce people to what real hip hop is about. Its not about drugs, cars, and money, its about life just as much as any classic rock ballad or folk or country song. Hip hop is about embracing life even within a toxic existance.
Lets hope no one is stupid enough to develop that.
QFT, however -- given the obsession with the hip hop world, and the popularity of MMOs (notice how a lot of games that arent MMOs claim to be just so that they can have that title?) I wouldn't be surprised to see it come out
And then flop
That was kind of my point. It would sell well, probably suck unless carried off perfectly, and fail [but the original sales would probably still make it a money maker...]
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Okay, [I definitely defended that idea (which I had my own doubts about which Bleyzwun pointed out) far too hard] so on to my seriouos Idea [I was originally going to go in depth about this idea, but then a hip hop one popped into my head and I thought I'd get some reactions on it:
Warhammer 40k
There's already one in the works apparently but my guess is it will fail to capture any sum of players and misfocus on instanced battle heavy linerar RVR PVP to the same extent that Mythic's Warhammer was.
What I want to see is a one server monster with a good 300,00 people on it. I think 300,000 would be a reasonable for a launch of a major studio, if it begins to skyrocket (which we all doubt anymore) more servers could be added.
So 300k people divided into I would say six playable races (factions)means about 50k people per faction (factions would be united as either Order or Disorder, but would be seperate for much of the game into battlefronts meaning a good ten thousand people from each faction would be online at once not to mention NPC armies controlled by AI. However unlike WAR it wouldn't be linear battlefronts but instead actual conflict over hundreds of square miles of actual game world with really really big instances taking place (battles within the main war). Several Hive Cities which are each a cubic mile of towering skyscrapers and wreckage filled with mutants, heretics, and even worse, survivors...
Six Playable Factions:
4 Classes per faction (three paths per class):
Instances of enormous size like an orbital attack with hundreds of defenders and attackers among thousands of NPCs tearing each other apart over objectives that play out differently each time being a cross between Raids and battle grounds. On one hand you're fighting other players head to head, but you're also PVEing your way through hordes of Computer Generated enemies bosses ranging from space marines which may take a dozen men to take down and demon princes that may take dozens of marines or hundreds of PCs to take down. Not to mention destroying landers and tanks etc.
Even if it lacked proper RPG elements and became more of a giant FPS game it would probably be very fun. I mean a large online FPS is really lacking. I want something that brings FPS and MMO and PVE and PVP together into one big slam dunk of a game. As long as the starting product is entertaining enough then the less critical components like an economy and crafting and such can be slipped in. But what it needs at the start is a huge world to fight over endlessly, fun interfaces, a good grouping system and communication system characters that improve over time with new armor and weapons and such.
It'd be like a good version of Xbox live.
Out of all the long posts I never read, I actually read this. This is how a Warhammer 40,000 MMO should be. Anything small scaled like WAR would ultimately NOT be Warhammer 40,000. I recall reading something of the 40,000 MMO being where players own squads. Things I'd NEVER like to see in WH40KOL include...
1. Factions siding. The Imperium would never ally with even the Eldar filth. Save this for Space Marines and Imperial Guard ONLY. Even than, they should still be able to fight each other as the storyline progresses and Strict disciplined biologically engineered fanatics and their Imperial Guard allies start to go their own path and decide to fight each other.
2. Small guardsmen squads fighting Space Marines. Stupid, and almost impossible. Make space marine squads small and Imperial Guardsman squads large. Just like the tabletop game.
3. I'd like to see some ability to customize our legion. I, for example want to be able to get my Pestilent Raiders Chaos Marine tabletop army in the game. Are they an official chapter? No. They are my homebrew chapter, but give room for customization. I refuse to play a standard Chaos Marine chapter. AT LEAST let me choose my own Chaos God. No Tzeentch crap. Nurgle all the way!
Yes I want an MMO where I can be as ignorant as possible. Where lack of education and the ability to fck up the English language is rewarded. There is nothing appealing about hiphop culture that I'd ever pay for it.
Well us in Hip hop are glad that we can keep some of you barbaric ass mmo players away from us you sit in your pc room 12 hours a day hacking and slashing robbing and pillaging all day and for some reason seem to think you are better than those who live a hip hop lifestyle? And for those of us on this site too ignorant to know gangster rap is not hip hop and in general hip hop is a very well displayed art form and I highly doubt any of you ass clowns on here can hold a candle to Black Thoughts grasp of the english language or how to use it.
Oh please enlighten me O'Wise One to what it mean to live a hiphop lifestyle. Why some rappers are considered hiphoppers and other's aren't. Who qualifies as hiphop and who doesnt so we can examples and not make the same mistakes of placing gangsta rappers who talk about violence, sex, drugs, and self-glorification with your average rapper that talks about violence,sex.dru... wait a sec.....
Now there are people in hiphop that rap about social issues or don't take the above approach to their music,, The Roots, Tribe Called Quest, Black Eyed Peas before they went mainstream and others. I'm not big into really. I'm just not into all the tough guy vogue poses from all rappers and the hand gestures,, gold, flamboyance , etc. The self-promotion and ego in much hiphop pushes me away. I don't really want to hear a guy or girl talk about how great, tough, rich they are throughout an album.
But seriously, if we're so ignorant on this board, please here's your chance to make a difference and educate us. Don't waste it.
Oh well, clearly the average person is unable to understand the value idea, and the average rap enthusiast refuses to share their love with the real ignorant people. I thought that a system where dropping: 50 Cent's You said you a gangster but you never pop nuttin'
We said you a wanksta and you need to stop frontin'
You ain't a friend of mine, (yeah)
You ain't no kin of mine, (nah) Does almost no damage. Lil Wayne's I Wouldn't Care If You Were Prostitutin
That You Hit Every Man That You Ever Knew
See It Wouldnt Make A Difference
If That Was Way Before Me And You Girl
See You Dont Ever Have To Worry About Me
As Long As You Keep It Real Would do low damage. Aesop Rock's Mars attacks wit' electric gats
Not for sapien abduction (what's up then?!)
Billy took a laser to the mug piece; hallowed out the mandible
Channel headquarters order the cannonballs (Mars attacksssss)
FBI demands column to this pigeon ankle
And boomeranging' our harvest; 51st area sickness Would do good damage. GZA's I got a smile that'll make the mirror crack
And I seem to stay under clouds that's pitch black
So when it rains, it pours, and when it pours, I'm soaked
I contracted lung cancer from third hand smoke
And uh, I'm like the frog that's dying to be a prince
The boy who cried wolf and no one was convinced
The man who hit lotto and lost his ticket
In a rainstorm, and struck by lightning trying to get it
Would murder the other player. God knows how the system would work though. Oh well, at least there are multiple perspectives of why it would fail... That's sort of comforting to me. I'd hate if everyone was just against it because they hate black culture. The fact some people think that it would cheapen the meaning speaks volumes to me, since I like classic hip hop, and wouldn't want the game to feed the current industry. I was sort of hoping for a new medium to reintroduce people to what real hip hop is about. Its not about drugs, cars, and money, its about life just as much as any classic rock ballad or folk or country song. Hip hop is about embracing life even within a toxic existance.
Well thought out post but some of those examples fail for me most people who live a hip hop lifestyle though they may listen to Wayne 50 etc. know that shit is not hip hop and most of these comments remind me of when propaganda such as "black men if given freedom would have a compulsion to rape white women" and I personally gave up trying to reform racist attitudes in my mid 20s, in this day and age anyone living blissfully in ignorance can burn in their own inequity as far as I'm concerned which is why I personally said I don't want the culture exploited anymore than it is and left it at that. If these people are foolish enough to believe that the only thing rap music has to offer is top 40 crap that is pushed as mainstream music they have already made a conscious choice to disregard and remain ignorant to peoples points of views that they may be able to learn something from and that simply isn't my problem it's their parents and ultimately their own.
I listen to almost every form of music you can think of jazz,rap,alt,rock,classical and even some country and have learned alot from it all I like to feel more worldly than those who foolishly shut themselves off from other points of views that can not only be enlightening and informative but entertaining as well.
The best way I've found to deal with separtists like this is to allow them to continue to separate themselves because the only ones who they isolate is themselves.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
Well thought out post but some of those examples fail for me most people who live a hip hop lifestyle though they may listen to Wayne 50 etc. know that shit is not hip hop and most of these comments remind me of when propaganda such as "black men if given freedom would have a compulsion to rape white women" and I personally gave up trying to reform racist attitudes in my mid 20s, in this day and age anyone living blissfully in ignorance can burn in their own inequity as far as I'm concerned which is why I personally said I don't want the culture exploited anymore than it is and left it at that. If these people are foolish enough to believe that the only thing rap music has to offer is top 40 crap that is pushed as mainstream music they have already made a conscious choice to disregard and remain ignorant to peoples points of views that they may be able to learn something from and that simply isn't my problem it's their parents and ultimately their own. I listen to almost every form of music you can think of jazz,rap,alt,rock,classical and even some country and have learned alot from it all I like to feel more worldly than those who foolishly shut themselves off from other points of views that can not only be enlightening and informative but entertaining as well. The best way I've found to deal with separtists like this is to allow them to continue to separate themselves because the only ones who they isolate is themselves.
Well I now this is going to be a little bit of a stretch metaphorically but please bear with me.
"All it takes for evil to triumph is great men to do nothing"
Basically if you see people have an improper view of something and misrepresent a race, culture, idealogy, belief, person, etc. then maybe you should speak up. Such as the question I posed to another poster.
Why is this top 40 stuff that is advertised as hip hop, the artists call themselves hip hop NOT hip hop? What factors to you use to qualify something as hip hop?
If you're just going to call people racist, ignorant, or wrong, and form such a harsh opinion of them because they lack the knowledge of a particular subject aren't you being overly critical and bigoted yourself? At least have the decency to tell them why their opinion is wrong if you're are in fact going to tell them they are wrong. Otherwise you hurt your own cause by projecting hate.
This post makes me sad on so many levels I do not even know what to say about it all.
First, the original poster is not talking about making a "Hip Hop" based game. Yes, I put that in quotes for a reason. He is talking about making a rapper based game and even says it should be mature rated and include insults and such. At that point right there the game would turn into a game of trash talking and nothing more. Besides, Rap is nothing more then spoken word and a Rapper is one who uses spoken word. So how would you use a game mechanic system to judge spoken word especially considering that most communication in MMORPG's still takes place in text format?
Next, I am so sick of the bastardized term Hip Hop. Ever since mainstream pop culture and MTV got ahold of the term, it has lost its true meaning. Hip Hop is not a culture or a lifestyle. Hip Hop is a form of music that uses spoken word, or Rap. Hip Hop music involes so many complexities that I will not try to explain here since it would take far too long and most people would get lost anyway.
Finally, the idea of any MMORPG being based on music would be hard to sell since the average person really does not know much about music. Games like Rock Band and Guitar Hero trivialize music into simple button pushes. They make the masses feel like superstars while playing, but most of the millions that play these games would never be worth a damn if they had to actually perform to an audiance or write a real song reguardless of the genre. In an MMORPG you would have to do the same thing so the average person could play and then it would be a very small niche market at best since most people will not pay a monthly fee to watch amatures.
Next, I am so sick of the bastardized term Hip Hop. Ever since mainstream pop culture and MTV got ahold of the term, it has lost its true meaning. Hip Hop is not a culture or a lifestyle. Hip Hop is a form of music that uses spoken word, or Rap. Hip Hop music involes so many complexities that I will not try to explain here since it would take far too long and most people would get lost anyway.
Finally, the idea of any MMORPG being based on music would be hard to sell since the average person really does not know much about music. Games like Rock Band and Guitar Hero trivialize music into simple button pushes. They make the masses feel like superstars while playing, but most of the millions that play these games would never be worth a damn if they had to actually perform to an audiance or write a real song reguardless of the genre. In an MMORPG you would have to do the same thing so the average person could play and then it would be a very small niche market at best since most people will not pay a monthly fee to watch amatures.
Loira, I hope you understand I"m not trying to single you out but your post brings up a few points I want to address and I needed to quote it so I could read it during my response.
I have seen three people so far talk about how people don't understand hip hop and they are ignorant of what it is, yet I have not seen any offer up any education on the matter. I find this disheartening because I feel that education is important, especially when it deal with subject matter, a belief system, or people important to you being misrepresented.
On that note, you say hip hop is a music genre that uses rap. Well if you have to be a rapper to qualify as a hip hopper, and if Hip Hop has many complexities, which to me sounds like a flamboyant way of saying : We use a variety of beats and lyrics to evoke a response, emotion, thought or idea.
So there are various messages and styles of RAP that will qualify as hip hop. Which style is that exactly? Dance , R-B based rap, gangsta, or just the street poet?
Dance, R&B, Gangsta rap, MTV , all the rappers sing about sex, violence, drugs, and self-glorification. Maybe in not all their songs but a lot of them. Street Poets,, well if they're talking about the streets and life, then chances are they will sing about that stuff as well, hopefullly not glorifying it.
So again, for all you people who keep saying people misrepresent hiphop make a stance and decide to educate.
Also, I'm sure there are many rappers who would say HipHop is a culture or lifestyle.
Well thought out post but some of those examples fail for me most people who live a hip hop lifestyle though they may listen to Wayne 50 etc. know that shit is not hip hop and most of these comments remind me of when propaganda such as "black men if given freedom would have a compulsion to rape white women" and I personally gave up trying to reform racist attitudes in my mid 20s, in this day and age anyone living blissfully in ignorance can burn in their own inequity as far as I'm concerned which is why I personally said I don't want the culture exploited anymore than it is and left it at that. If these people are foolish enough to believe that the only thing rap music has to offer is top 40 crap that is pushed as mainstream music they have already made a conscious choice to disregard and remain ignorant to peoples points of views that they may be able to learn something from and that simply isn't my problem it's their parents and ultimately their own. I listen to almost every form of music you can think of jazz,rap,alt,rock,classical and even some country and have learned alot from it all I like to feel more worldly than those who foolishly shut themselves off from other points of views that can not only be enlightening and informative but entertaining as well. The best way I've found to deal with separtists like this is to allow them to continue to separate themselves because the only ones who they isolate is themselves.
Well I now this is going to be a little bit of a stretch metaphorically but please bear with me.
"All it takes for evil to triumph is great men to do nothing"
Basically if you see people have an improper view of something and misrepresent a race, culture, idealogy, belief, person, etc. then maybe you should speak up. Such as the question I posed to another poster.
Why is this top 40 stuff that is advertised as hip hop, the artists call themselves hip hop NOT hip hop? What factors to you use to qualify something as hip hop?
If you're just going to call people racist, ignorant, or wrong, and form such a harsh opinion of them because they lack the knowledge of a particular subject aren't you being overly critical and bigoted yourself? At least have the decency to tell them why their opinion is wrong if you're are in fact going to tell them they are wrong. Otherwise you hurt your own cause by projecting hate.
You're not hiphop if you are a biter (a copy, not influenced). You're not hiphop if you rely on trends. You're not hiphop if you have no love for the art of emceeing and only use it to gain money or fame. You're not hiphop if you don't know your history (imo you should know at least some of the important events that took place since the beginning).
Most of the rappers on the top 40 have no idea what hiphop really is. They don't even know that hiphop is deeper than rap. If they do, they say the other stuff is old and played out. They have no true respect for the old school, and they don't care to. They all copy each other. Whatever the new trend is, they all follow it.
Most mainstream rappers really have no respect for hiphop. Real emcees know their shit. They have respect for the old school and the other elements. I don't know how else to describe the difference between a real hiphop emcee and a fake one. Real hiphoppers will listen to music from before their time. They will learn the history. People who only listen to hiphop because it's what's cool have no idea.
I guess the simplest way to put it is, a real emcee has true love and respect for hiphop as a whole.
Next, I am so sick of the bastardized term Hip Hop. Ever since mainstream pop culture and MTV got ahold of the term, it has lost its true meaning. Hip Hop is not a culture or a lifestyle. Hip Hop is a form of music that uses spoken word, or Rap. Hip Hop music involes so many complexities that I will not try to explain here since it would take far too long and most people would get lost anyway.
Hiphop is a form of music? So all those years I spent dancing, and grew up learning that it was part of the hiphop culture was false? So all those hiphop dancers from the 70s and 80s, who are incredibly talented, and have been documented for years, are liars?
Sorry, but don't speak like you know. Hiphop is bigger than music and it is a culture and a lifestyle. You can believe what you want, but I know you are wrong.
You're not hiphop if you are a biter (a copy, not influenced). You're not hiphop if you rely on trends. You're not hiphop if you have no love for the art of emceeing and only use it to gain money or fame. You're not hiphop if you don't know your history (imo you should know at least some of the important events that took place since the beginning). Most of the rappers on the top 40 have no idea what hiphop really is. They don't even know that hiphop is deeper than rap. If they do, they say the other stuff is old and played out. They have no true respect for the old school, and they don't care to. They all copy each other. Whatever the new trend is, they all follow it. Most mainstream rappers really have no respect for hiphop. Real emcees know their shit. They have respect for the old school and the other elements. I don't know how else to describe the difference between a real hiphop emcee and a fake one. Real hiphoppers will listen to music from before their time. They will learn the history. People who only listen to hiphop because it's what's cool have no idea. I guess the simplest way to put it is, a real emcee has true love and respect for hiphop as a whole.
Thank you very much for the response bleyzwun. It's nice to see someone who will actually partake in a discussion and not preach.
I do have some questions though. All musical artists are influenced by others, as you even state "Real hiphoppers will listen to music from before their time" Black-eyed Peas are mainstream now but weren't they once considered hip hop? I know I"ve watched various interviews with rappers who stated Marvin Gaye, Quincy Jones, and Teddy Pendergrass for example as musical influences. Hell just the other day in an interview LL Cool J stated how important his gospel upbringing was and he grew up in the Bronx which is one of the hearts of Hip hop culture correct? Because he's mainstream in his music is he discluded from being hiphop despite the fact that he's an actual positive influence in the arts and supports education and growth as a person.
Just because a rapper follows the mainstream or his music evolves to incorporate different or newer trends that discludes them from being hiphop now? So isn't that pretty much saying hiphop is an idea or style of music in which the artist never evolves or grows ?
I'm not being sarcastic or trying to be rude,, I just feel as if the " Oh well they're not really hiphop anymore", is a blanket statement said in an almost defiant and apologetic manner because of member of the hiphop genre, that good decent people are embarassed by.
Lets hope no one is stupid enough to develop that.
Let's also hope no one is stupid enough to develop a Playboy themed mmo....oh wait....
*facepalm*
And people wonder why I say the human race deserves to become extinct at the rate we're going......
If you're going for a gangster-styled game then I could MAYBE get behind the rise of the Mafia in the 50's. APB is basically a modern day version of what that could be like. I still think APB is a terrible idea regardless.
I could actually see this kind of MMO title out there. It'd be F2P if (monthly) you gave up rights to your 10 second misogynistic rant to some stolen sample, otherwise it costs 5 rocks worth of fake coinstar "visa" per quarter. Also, there'd be a short IQ quiz that would require a score somehwere below 90 in order to qualify for the perpetual paid beta.
I could actually see this kind of MMO title out there. It'd be F2P if (monthly) you gave up rights to your 10 second misogynistic rant to some stolen sample, otherwise it costs 5 rocks worth of fake coinstar "visa" per quarter. Also, there'd be a short IQ quiz that would require a score somehwere below 90 in order to qualify for the perpetual paid beta. NEATO!
LOL
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You forgot to mention something about another test on BET trivia knowledge that you have to pass.
Thanks Heartless,, those were good reads. ALthough when I got to this quote from Grandmaster Flash I had to laugh because of the responses in this thread.
For anybody to say 'this is not hip hop' or 'that is not hip hop' is wrong. That is not the way the formula was laid down.. It was for the people who were going to continue this to take anything...by all means necessary and string it along...
He also stated for someone to say that what those guys in FL (woohoo J-ville!!) or what those guys in L.A. are doing is not hip-hop is wrong.
Now I never take wiki as pure fact but,, from the wiki and the quotes from the pioneers of old school hip hop I cannot see how my opinion of "TODAY"s hiphop is wrong. From the growth and transmutations of music and technology hip hop has evolved but unfortunately in the mainstream it's become for the worse.
So really, I think people who get offended by "Old Skool" hip hop being lumped in with today's hiphop really share the same complaints to the ones lumping the two together in the first place.
Now I still have a problem with destroying the english language because I think musicians should be more eloquent and versed in the english language, especially if they want to convey a message. But that is personal preference. I don't really care about profanity because I think to be offended by the word Cock but not Woodcock is pretty silly. I've felt that ideas are offensive but not singular words.
Anyways, long story short,, I like the old days of rap,, L.A. Dream tTeam, Run DMC, Afrika Bambataa, and Public enemy. But the glory-filled ego maniacs in rap /hiphop culture today drive me nuts. And I"m not lumping all hiphoppers into that group I acknowledge they're not all like that. Unfortunately the ones who are get support from fans and idiots which help keep them in the limelight.
There are different types of hip hop music. There are the mainstream Lil Waynes, 50 Cents and Soulja Boys whose overall message revolves around how many hos and money they have.
Then there are people like Tech N9ne and Immortal Technique who actually have either some sort of a message in their music or at least don't rap about hos, money and how much kilos they sell.
Thank you very much for the response bleyzwun. It's nice to see someone who will actually partake in a discussion and not preach. I do have some questions though. All musical artists are influenced by others, as you even state "Real hiphoppers will listen to music from before their time" Black-eyed Peas are mainstream now but weren't they once considered hip hop? I know I"ve watched various interviews with rappers who stated Marvin Gaye, Quincy Jones, and Teddy Pendergrass for example as musical influences. Hell just the other day in an interview LL Cool J stated how important his gospel upbringing was and he grew up in the Bronx which is one of the hearts of Hip hop culture correct? Because he's mainstream in his music is he discluded from being hiphop despite the fact that he's an actual positive influence in the arts and supports education and growth as a person. Just because a rapper follows the mainstream or his music evolves to incorporate different or newer trends that discludes them from being hiphop now? So isn't that pretty much saying hiphop is an idea or style of music in which the artist never evolves or grows ? I'm not being sarcastic or trying to be rude,, I just feel as if the " Oh well they're not really hiphop anymore", is a blanket statement said in an almost defiant and apologetic manner because of member of the hiphop genre, that good decent people are embarassed by.
No problem. As you can see I really love hiphop, and grew up with it my whole life. I hate it when people don't understand it and just lump us together with what they see on TV.
Being influenced by somebody is fine. You will never be able to build your own style without being influence in anything. The problem is when you copy somebody else's style. The other problem is when you copy something just because it's cool at the moment. A real emcee or singer will evolve with the times, the others will follow trends. Following trends is not true growth.
If you were once considered real, and you went mainstream and didn't keep true to what you originally did; you're simply a sell out. Also, not all mainstream rappers are fake. LL might not be as good as he once was, but he does music for the love. The man doesn't need to make music for money or fame anymore, he just does it. He's been doing it since the 80s.
Another thing to point out. Most true emcees will keep going if they are broke or not. Whether they are on the radio or TV every day or not. This doesn't matter because there is a true love for the art form. People like KRS One, Rakim, Gangstarr, Cypress Hill, all have mainstream recognition. They're definitely not as big as they once were. I'm sure most teens have no idea who they are, but they still put out albums.
There are different types of hip hop music. There are the mainstream Lil Waynes, 50 Cents and Soulja Boys whose overall message revolves around how many hos and money they have. Then there are people like Tech N9ne and Immortal Technique who actually have either some sort of a message in their music or at least don't rap about hos, money and how much kilos they sell.
That's where I see it's the responsibility of the musicians and fans that hold to those ideas should be responsible and not support the negative influences in their genre, otherwise they perpetuate the problem. Now if they don't care either way, do what they want, but if they are bothered by the lack of distinction the best method is to remove the worse half.
Much like just because I live in Florida, where we do have our fair share of racist rednecks or "old money" who have racist ideals, when they make racist comments or generalizations about a race of people, I let it be know I"m do not agree with that stuff. Because I don't want people of other race's to look at me a white guy and assume I'm a racist.
I guess it's a really retarded way of me saying " I try to police my own". ( i hope that doesn't sound as offensive as I think it does)
For anybody to say 'this is not hip hop' or 'that is not hip hop' is wrong. That is not the way the formula was laid down.. It was for the people who were going to continue this to take anything...by all means necessary and string it along...
He also stated for someone to say that what those guys in FL (woohoo J-ville!!) or what those guys in L.A. are doing is not hip-hop is wrong.
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Now I still have a problem with destroying the english language because I think musicians should be more eloquent and versed in the english language, especially if they want to convey a message. But that is personal preference. I don't really care about profanity because I think to be offended by the word Cock but not Woodcock is pretty silly. I've felt that ideas are offensive but not singular words.
Well, I guess you could say it's wrong to say it's not hiphop. Is it good hiphop? Hell no. They're what's called wack emcees. It's like comparing Mexican food to Taco Bell. It might be Mexican food, but far from the real thing.
As for the slang. Hiphop music just wouldn't be as fun wihout it.
Yes I want an MMO where I can be as ignorant as possible. Where lack of education and the ability to fck up the English language is rewarded. There is nothing appealing about hiphop culture that I'd ever pay for it.
I don't like Rap so i would never play it. However, after reading chats where people abuse the English language (teh for the, using numbers instead of letters, etc), I doubt a rap game would abuse the Language any more than it is already in MMo's. As far as lack of education - watch the general 13 year old type of behavior in most PvPs. People who play just to "tea-bag" their opponents, and who trash talk any and every one. Ignorance is alive and well in MMO's today. The influence of a Rap game on ignorance in games and abuse of language in games, in my honest opinion, would be minimal.
I do think this would be a niche game and never support the amount of subs that a developer would need. However, at least your are thinking outside the box OP and I give you points for that.
I blew my nose a few minutes ago and, upon peering into the tissue, I spotted my inner grammar nazi. He was curled up in a ball and crying with an expression on his face like he had just witnessed a gruesome mass murder. I knew right there that his appearance was no accident. He crept out from his warm abode near my heart and up into my nasal passage as part of a desperate attempt to escape - a frantic flight in a fit of either self-preservation or suicide.
My inner grammar nazi is sad.
I am sad.
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Why is it a bad idea? I can understand reluctance in traditionalists, but I hardly think its a stupid idea. I'd personally prefer some other settings, but I think it may have mass appeal to people outside of MMOs. If it was possible (which it is, but it would be pretty damn difficult to make anytime soon) I think it would do very well. Though if consensus says its stupid I don't really care, it was just a random thought I had.
Mass appeal is exactly the type of thing that has been ruining MMOs these past 6 years. And rap is horribly music, celebrating criminal culture should never have become famous.
This idea is nearly as bad as someone or some dev team making a heavy metal mmorpg.Imagine a bunch of long haired greasy stinking idiots banging their heads and smelling of that crap lotion they wear. Imagine the lead band member screaming his garbage through the mike that only a dumb metal head understands.
Then you have the even more greasy stinking metal heads that spout devil bullshit through the mike with a bunch of idiots all waving their heads about thinking that they are 'real heavy rock dudes' lol i can't imagine anything more dumb and pathetic ,not even a rap mmorpg comes close to this whacked out shit.
This idea is nearly as bad as someone or some dev team making a heavy metal mmorpg.Imagine a bunch of long haired greasy stinking idiots banging their heads and smelling of that crap lotion they wear. Imagine the lead band member screaming his garbage through the mike that only a dumb metal head understands.
Then you have the even more greasy stinking metal heads that spout devil bullshit through the mike with a bunch of idiots all waving their heads about thinking that they are 'real heavy rock dudes' lol i can't imagine anything more dumb and pathetic ,not even a rap mmorpg comes close to this whacked out shit.
I'd rather have the stinky metal heads that can actually play instruments than some stupid morons speaking in broken english, pretending to be from bad parts of town, celebrating drugs, raping women, slapping around hoes, and shooting cops, with their pants at their ankles.
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Oh well, clearly the average person is unable to understand the value idea, and the average rap enthusiast refuses to share their love with the real ignorant people.
I thought that a system where dropping:
50 Cent's
You said you a gangster but you never pop nuttin'
We said you a wanksta and you need to stop frontin'
You ain't a friend of mine, (yeah)
You ain't no kin of mine, (nah)
Does almost no damage.
Lil Wayne's
I Wouldn't Care If You Were Prostitutin
That You Hit Every Man That You Ever Knew
See It Wouldnt Make A Difference
If That Was Way Before Me And You Girl
See You Dont Ever Have To Worry About Me
As Long As You Keep It Real
Would do low damage.
Aesop Rock's
Mars attacks wit' electric gats
Not for sapien abduction (what's up then?!)
Billy took a laser to the mug piece; hallowed out the mandible
Channel headquarters order the cannonballs (Mars attacksssss)
FBI demands column to this pigeon ankle
And boomeranging' our harvest; 51st area sickness
Would do good damage.
GZA's
I got a smile that'll make the mirror crack
And I seem to stay under clouds that's pitch black
So when it rains, it pours, and when it pours, I'm soaked
I contracted lung cancer from third hand smoke
And uh, I'm like the frog that's dying to be a prince
The boy who cried wolf and no one was convinced
The man who hit lotto and lost his ticket
In a rainstorm, and struck by lightning trying to get it
Would murder the other player.
God knows how the system would work though.
Oh well, at least there are multiple perspectives of why it would fail... That's sort of comforting to me. I'd hate if everyone was just against it because they hate black culture. The fact some people think that it would cheapen the meaning speaks volumes to me, since I like classic hip hop, and wouldn't want the game to feed the current industry. I was sort of hoping for a new medium to reintroduce people to what real hip hop is about. Its not about drugs, cars, and money, its about life just as much as any classic rock ballad or folk or country song. Hip hop is about embracing life even within a toxic existance.
QFT, however -- given the obsession with the hip hop world, and the popularity of MMOs (notice how a lot of games that arent MMOs claim to be just so that they can have that title?) I wouldn't be surprised to see it come out
And then flop
That was kind of my point. It would sell well, probably suck unless carried off perfectly, and fail [but the original sales would probably still make it a money maker...]
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Okay, [I definitely defended that idea (which I had my own doubts about which Bleyzwun pointed out) far too hard] so on to my seriouos Idea [I was originally going to go in depth about this idea, but then a hip hop one popped into my head and I thought I'd get some reactions on it:
Warhammer 40k
There's already one in the works apparently but my guess is it will fail to capture any sum of players and misfocus on instanced battle heavy linerar RVR PVP to the same extent that Mythic's Warhammer was.
What I want to see is a one server monster with a good 300,00 people on it. I think 300,000 would be a reasonable for a launch of a major studio, if it begins to skyrocket (which we all doubt anymore) more servers could be added.
So 300k people divided into I would say six playable races (factions)means about 50k people per faction (factions would be united as either Order or Disorder, but would be seperate for much of the game into battlefronts meaning a good ten thousand people from each faction would be online at once not to mention NPC armies controlled by AI. However unlike WAR it wouldn't be linear battlefronts but instead actual conflict over hundreds of square miles of actual game world with really really big instances taking place (battles within the main war). Several Hive Cities which are each a cubic mile of towering skyscrapers and wreckage filled with mutants, heretics, and even worse, survivors...
Six Playable Factions:
4 Classes per faction (three paths per class):
Instances of enormous size like an orbital attack with hundreds of defenders and attackers among thousands of NPCs tearing each other apart over objectives that play out differently each time being a cross between Raids and battle grounds. On one hand you're fighting other players head to head, but you're also PVEing your way through hordes of Computer Generated enemies bosses ranging from space marines which may take a dozen men to take down and demon princes that may take dozens of marines or hundreds of PCs to take down. Not to mention destroying landers and tanks etc.
Even if it lacked proper RPG elements and became more of a giant FPS game it would probably be very fun. I mean a large online FPS is really lacking. I want something that brings FPS and MMO and PVE and PVP together into one big slam dunk of a game. As long as the starting product is entertaining enough then the less critical components like an economy and crafting and such can be slipped in. But what it needs at the start is a huge world to fight over endlessly, fun interfaces, a good grouping system and communication system characters that improve over time with new armor and weapons and such.
It'd be like a good version of Xbox live.
Out of all the long posts I never read, I actually read this. This is how a Warhammer 40,000 MMO should be. Anything small scaled like WAR would ultimately NOT be Warhammer 40,000. I recall reading something of the 40,000 MMO being where players own squads. Things I'd NEVER like to see in WH40KOL include...
1. Factions siding. The Imperium would never ally with even the Eldar filth. Save this for Space Marines and Imperial Guard ONLY. Even than, they should still be able to fight each other as the storyline progresses and Strict disciplined biologically engineered fanatics and their Imperial Guard allies start to go their own path and decide to fight each other.
2. Small guardsmen squads fighting Space Marines. Stupid, and almost impossible. Make space marine squads small and Imperial Guardsman squads large. Just like the tabletop game.
3. I'd like to see some ability to customize our legion. I, for example want to be able to get my Pestilent Raiders Chaos Marine tabletop army in the game. Are they an official chapter? No. They are my homebrew chapter, but give room for customization. I refuse to play a standard Chaos Marine chapter. AT LEAST let me choose my own Chaos God. No Tzeentch crap. Nurgle all the way!
Well us in Hip hop are glad that we can keep some of you barbaric ass mmo players away from us you sit in your pc room 12 hours a day hacking and slashing robbing and pillaging all day and for some reason seem to think you are better than those who live a hip hop lifestyle? And for those of us on this site too ignorant to know gangster rap is not hip hop and in general hip hop is a very well displayed art form and I highly doubt any of you ass clowns on here can hold a candle to Black Thoughts grasp of the english language or how to use it.
Oh please enlighten me O'Wise One to what it mean to live a hiphop lifestyle. Why some rappers are considered hiphoppers and other's aren't. Who qualifies as hiphop and who doesnt so we can examples and not make the same mistakes of placing gangsta rappers who talk about violence, sex, drugs, and self-glorification with your average rapper that talks about violence,sex.dru... wait a sec.....
Now there are people in hiphop that rap about social issues or don't take the above approach to their music,, The Roots, Tribe Called Quest, Black Eyed Peas before they went mainstream and others. I'm not big into really. I'm just not into all the tough guy vogue poses from all rappers and the hand gestures,, gold, flamboyance , etc. The self-promotion and ego in much hiphop pushes me away. I don't really want to hear a guy or girl talk about how great, tough, rich they are throughout an album.
But seriously, if we're so ignorant on this board, please here's your chance to make a difference and educate us. Don't waste it.
Well thought out post but some of those examples fail for me most people who live a hip hop lifestyle though they may listen to Wayne 50 etc. know that shit is not hip hop and most of these comments remind me of when propaganda such as "black men if given freedom would have a compulsion to rape white women" and I personally gave up trying to reform racist attitudes in my mid 20s, in this day and age anyone living blissfully in ignorance can burn in their own inequity as far as I'm concerned which is why I personally said I don't want the culture exploited anymore than it is and left it at that. If these people are foolish enough to believe that the only thing rap music has to offer is top 40 crap that is pushed as mainstream music they have already made a conscious choice to disregard and remain ignorant to peoples points of views that they may be able to learn something from and that simply isn't my problem it's their parents and ultimately their own.
I listen to almost every form of music you can think of jazz,rap,alt,rock,classical and even some country and have learned alot from it all I like to feel more worldly than those who foolishly shut themselves off from other points of views that can not only be enlightening and informative but entertaining as well.
The best way I've found to deal with separtists like this is to allow them to continue to separate themselves because the only ones who they isolate is themselves.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
Well I now this is going to be a little bit of a stretch metaphorically but please bear with me.
"All it takes for evil to triumph is great men to do nothing"
Basically if you see people have an improper view of something and misrepresent a race, culture, idealogy, belief, person, etc. then maybe you should speak up. Such as the question I posed to another poster.
Why is this top 40 stuff that is advertised as hip hop, the artists call themselves hip hop NOT hip hop? What factors to you use to qualify something as hip hop?
If you're just going to call people racist, ignorant, or wrong, and form such a harsh opinion of them because they lack the knowledge of a particular subject aren't you being overly critical and bigoted yourself? At least have the decency to tell them why their opinion is wrong if you're are in fact going to tell them they are wrong. Otherwise you hurt your own cause by projecting hate.
This post makes me sad on so many levels I do not even know what to say about it all.
First, the original poster is not talking about making a "Hip Hop" based game. Yes, I put that in quotes for a reason. He is talking about making a rapper based game and even says it should be mature rated and include insults and such. At that point right there the game would turn into a game of trash talking and nothing more. Besides, Rap is nothing more then spoken word and a Rapper is one who uses spoken word. So how would you use a game mechanic system to judge spoken word especially considering that most communication in MMORPG's still takes place in text format?
Next, I am so sick of the bastardized term Hip Hop. Ever since mainstream pop culture and MTV got ahold of the term, it has lost its true meaning. Hip Hop is not a culture or a lifestyle. Hip Hop is a form of music that uses spoken word, or Rap. Hip Hop music involes so many complexities that I will not try to explain here since it would take far too long and most people would get lost anyway.
Finally, the idea of any MMORPG being based on music would be hard to sell since the average person really does not know much about music. Games like Rock Band and Guitar Hero trivialize music into simple button pushes. They make the masses feel like superstars while playing, but most of the millions that play these games would never be worth a damn if they had to actually perform to an audiance or write a real song reguardless of the genre. In an MMORPG you would have to do the same thing so the average person could play and then it would be a very small niche market at best since most people will not pay a monthly fee to watch amatures.
Loira, I hope you understand I"m not trying to single you out but your post brings up a few points I want to address and I needed to quote it so I could read it during my response.
I have seen three people so far talk about how people don't understand hip hop and they are ignorant of what it is, yet I have not seen any offer up any education on the matter. I find this disheartening because I feel that education is important, especially when it deal with subject matter, a belief system, or people important to you being misrepresented.
On that note, you say hip hop is a music genre that uses rap. Well if you have to be a rapper to qualify as a hip hopper, and if Hip Hop has many complexities, which to me sounds like a flamboyant way of saying : We use a variety of beats and lyrics to evoke a response, emotion, thought or idea.
So there are various messages and styles of RAP that will qualify as hip hop. Which style is that exactly? Dance , R-B based rap, gangsta, or just the street poet?
Dance, R&B, Gangsta rap, MTV , all the rappers sing about sex, violence, drugs, and self-glorification. Maybe in not all their songs but a lot of them. Street Poets,, well if they're talking about the streets and life, then chances are they will sing about that stuff as well, hopefullly not glorifying it.
So again, for all you people who keep saying people misrepresent hiphop make a stance and decide to educate.
Also, I'm sure there are many rappers who would say HipHop is a culture or lifestyle.
Well I now this is going to be a little bit of a stretch metaphorically but please bear with me.
"All it takes for evil to triumph is great men to do nothing"
Basically if you see people have an improper view of something and misrepresent a race, culture, idealogy, belief, person, etc. then maybe you should speak up. Such as the question I posed to another poster.
Why is this top 40 stuff that is advertised as hip hop, the artists call themselves hip hop NOT hip hop? What factors to you use to qualify something as hip hop?
If you're just going to call people racist, ignorant, or wrong, and form such a harsh opinion of them because they lack the knowledge of a particular subject aren't you being overly critical and bigoted yourself? At least have the decency to tell them why their opinion is wrong if you're are in fact going to tell them they are wrong. Otherwise you hurt your own cause by projecting hate.
You're not hiphop if you are a biter (a copy, not influenced). You're not hiphop if you rely on trends. You're not hiphop if you have no love for the art of emceeing and only use it to gain money or fame. You're not hiphop if you don't know your history (imo you should know at least some of the important events that took place since the beginning).
Most of the rappers on the top 40 have no idea what hiphop really is. They don't even know that hiphop is deeper than rap. If they do, they say the other stuff is old and played out. They have no true respect for the old school, and they don't care to. They all copy each other. Whatever the new trend is, they all follow it.
Most mainstream rappers really have no respect for hiphop. Real emcees know their shit. They have respect for the old school and the other elements. I don't know how else to describe the difference between a real hiphop emcee and a fake one. Real hiphoppers will listen to music from before their time. They will learn the history. People who only listen to hiphop because it's what's cool have no idea.
I guess the simplest way to put it is, a real emcee has true love and respect for hiphop as a whole.
Hiphop is a form of music? So all those years I spent dancing, and grew up learning that it was part of the hiphop culture was false? So all those hiphop dancers from the 70s and 80s, who are incredibly talented, and have been documented for years, are liars?
Sorry, but don't speak like you know. Hiphop is bigger than music and it is a culture and a lifestyle. You can believe what you want, but I know you are wrong.
Thank you very much for the response bleyzwun. It's nice to see someone who will actually partake in a discussion and not preach.
I do have some questions though. All musical artists are influenced by others, as you even state "Real hiphoppers will listen to music from before their time" Black-eyed Peas are mainstream now but weren't they once considered hip hop? I know I"ve watched various interviews with rappers who stated Marvin Gaye, Quincy Jones, and Teddy Pendergrass for example as musical influences. Hell just the other day in an interview LL Cool J stated how important his gospel upbringing was and he grew up in the Bronx which is one of the hearts of Hip hop culture correct? Because he's mainstream in his music is he discluded from being hiphop despite the fact that he's an actual positive influence in the arts and supports education and growth as a person.
Just because a rapper follows the mainstream or his music evolves to incorporate different or newer trends that discludes them from being hiphop now? So isn't that pretty much saying hiphop is an idea or style of music in which the artist never evolves or grows ?
I'm not being sarcastic or trying to be rude,, I just feel as if the " Oh well they're not really hiphop anymore", is a blanket statement said in an almost defiant and apologetic manner because of member of the hiphop genre, that good decent people are embarassed by.
Hip Hop is a cultural movement.
dictionary.reference.com/browse/hip%20hop
www.daveyd.com/whatiship.html Greenie, read this link. It will hopefully answer your question.
Saying that Hip Hop is just music is like saying that Punk is just music.
Stop focusing on crime and gangs, then maybe it'll be more doable. Actually can remove the hip-hop all together while at it.
A game about rapping and crime is rather. Boring However, that is just me
Let's also hope no one is stupid enough to develop a Playboy themed mmo....oh wait....
*facepalm*
And people wonder why I say the human race deserves to become extinct at the rate we're going......
If you're going for a gangster-styled game then I could MAYBE get behind the rise of the Mafia in the 50's. APB is basically a modern day version of what that could be like. I still think APB is a terrible idea regardless.
Meh.
I could actually see this kind of MMO title out there. It'd be F2P if (monthly) you gave up rights to your 10 second misogynistic rant to some stolen sample, otherwise it costs 5 rocks worth of fake coinstar "visa" per quarter. Also, there'd be a short IQ quiz that would require a score somehwere below 90 in order to qualify for the perpetual paid beta.
NEATO!
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You forgot to mention something about another test on BET trivia knowledge that you have to pass.
Thanks Heartless,, those were good reads. ALthough when I got to this quote from Grandmaster Flash I had to laugh because of the responses in this thread.
For anybody to say 'this is not hip hop' or 'that is not hip hop' is wrong. That is not the way the formula was laid down.. It was for the people who were going to continue this to take anything...by all means necessary and string it along...
He also stated for someone to say that what those guys in FL (woohoo J-ville!!) or what those guys in L.A. are doing is not hip-hop is wrong.
Now I never take wiki as pure fact but,, from the wiki and the quotes from the pioneers of old school hip hop I cannot see how my opinion of "TODAY"s hiphop is wrong. From the growth and transmutations of music and technology hip hop has evolved but unfortunately in the mainstream it's become for the worse.
So really, I think people who get offended by "Old Skool" hip hop being lumped in with today's hiphop really share the same complaints to the ones lumping the two together in the first place.
Now I still have a problem with destroying the english language because I think musicians should be more eloquent and versed in the english language, especially if they want to convey a message. But that is personal preference. I don't really care about profanity because I think to be offended by the word Cock but not Woodcock is pretty silly. I've felt that ideas are offensive but not singular words.
Anyways, long story short,, I like the old days of rap,, L.A. Dream tTeam, Run DMC, Afrika Bambataa, and Public enemy. But the glory-filled ego maniacs in rap /hiphop culture today drive me nuts. And I"m not lumping all hiphoppers into that group I acknowledge they're not all like that. Unfortunately the ones who are get support from fans and idiots which help keep them in the limelight.
There are different types of hip hop music. There are the mainstream Lil Waynes, 50 Cents and Soulja Boys whose overall message revolves around how many hos and money they have.
Then there are people like Tech N9ne and Immortal Technique who actually have either some sort of a message in their music or at least don't rap about hos, money and how much kilos they sell.
No problem. As you can see I really love hiphop, and grew up with it my whole life. I hate it when people don't understand it and just lump us together with what they see on TV.
Being influenced by somebody is fine. You will never be able to build your own style without being influence in anything. The problem is when you copy somebody else's style. The other problem is when you copy something just because it's cool at the moment. A real emcee or singer will evolve with the times, the others will follow trends. Following trends is not true growth.
If you were once considered real, and you went mainstream and didn't keep true to what you originally did; you're simply a sell out. Also, not all mainstream rappers are fake. LL might not be as good as he once was, but he does music for the love. The man doesn't need to make music for money or fame anymore, he just does it. He's been doing it since the 80s.
Another thing to point out. Most true emcees will keep going if they are broke or not. Whether they are on the radio or TV every day or not. This doesn't matter because there is a true love for the art form. People like KRS One, Rakim, Gangstarr, Cypress Hill, all have mainstream recognition. They're definitely not as big as they once were. I'm sure most teens have no idea who they are, but they still put out albums.
That's where I see it's the responsibility of the musicians and fans that hold to those ideas should be responsible and not support the negative influences in their genre, otherwise they perpetuate the problem. Now if they don't care either way, do what they want, but if they are bothered by the lack of distinction the best method is to remove the worse half.
Much like just because I live in Florida, where we do have our fair share of racist rednecks or "old money" who have racist ideals, when they make racist comments or generalizations about a race of people, I let it be know I"m do not agree with that stuff. Because I don't want people of other race's to look at me a white guy and assume I'm a racist.
I guess it's a really retarded way of me saying " I try to police my own". ( i hope that doesn't sound as offensive as I think it does)
For anybody to say 'this is not hip hop' or 'that is not hip hop' is wrong. That is not the way the formula was laid down.. It was for the people who were going to continue this to take anything...by all means necessary and string it along...
He also stated for someone to say that what those guys in FL (woohoo J-ville!!) or what those guys in L.A. are doing is not hip-hop is wrong.
=====================================Now I still have a problem with destroying the english language because I think musicians should be more eloquent and versed in the english language, especially if they want to convey a message. But that is personal preference. I don't really care about profanity because I think to be offended by the word Cock but not Woodcock is pretty silly. I've felt that ideas are offensive but not singular words.
Well, I guess you could say it's wrong to say it's not hiphop. Is it good hiphop? Hell no. They're what's called wack emcees. It's like comparing Mexican food to Taco Bell. It might be Mexican food, but far from the real thing.
As for the slang. Hiphop music just wouldn't be as fun wihout it.
I don't like Rap so i would never play it. However, after reading chats where people abuse the English language (teh for the, using numbers instead of letters, etc), I doubt a rap game would abuse the Language any more than it is already in MMo's. As far as lack of education - watch the general 13 year old type of behavior in most PvPs. People who play just to "tea-bag" their opponents, and who trash talk any and every one. Ignorance is alive and well in MMO's today. The influence of a Rap game on ignorance in games and abuse of language in games, in my honest opinion, would be minimal.
I do think this would be a niche game and never support the amount of subs that a developer would need. However, at least your are thinking outside the box OP and I give you points for that.
I blew my nose a few minutes ago and, upon peering into the tissue, I spotted my inner grammar nazi. He was curled up in a ball and crying with an expression on his face like he had just witnessed a gruesome mass murder. I knew right there that his appearance was no accident. He crept out from his warm abode near my heart and up into my nasal passage as part of a desperate attempt to escape - a frantic flight in a fit of either self-preservation or suicide.
My inner grammar nazi is sad.
I am sad.
- RPG Quiz - can you get all 25 right?
- FPS Quiz - how well do you know your shooters?
Mass appeal is exactly the type of thing that has been ruining MMOs these past 6 years. And rap is horribly music, celebrating criminal culture should never have become famous.
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This idea is nearly as bad as someone or some dev team making a heavy metal mmorpg.Imagine a bunch of long haired greasy stinking idiots banging their heads and smelling of that crap lotion they wear. Imagine the lead band member screaming his garbage through the mike that only a dumb metal head understands.
Then you have the even more greasy stinking metal heads that spout devil bullshit through the mike with a bunch of idiots all waving their heads about thinking that they are 'real heavy rock dudes' lol i can't imagine anything more dumb and pathetic ,not even a rap mmorpg comes close to this whacked out shit.
I'd rather have the stinky metal heads that can actually play instruments than some stupid morons speaking in broken english, pretending to be from bad parts of town, celebrating drugs, raping women, slapping around hoes, and shooting cops, with their pants at their ankles.
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