This idea is nearly as bad as someone or some dev team making a heavy metal mmorpg.Imagine a bunch of long haired greasy stinking idiots banging their heads and smelling of that crap lotion they wear. Imagine the lead band member screaming his garbage through the mike that only a dumb metal head understands.
Then you have the even more greasy stinking metal heads that spout devil bullshit through the mike with a bunch of idiots all waving their heads about thinking that they are 'real heavy rock dudes' lol i can't imagine anything more dumb and pathetic ,not even a rap mmorpg comes close to this whacked out shit.
I'd rather have the stinky metal heads that can actually play instruments than some stupid morons speaking in broken english, pretending to be from bad parts of town, celebrating drugs, raping women, slapping around hoes, and shooting cops, with their pants at their ankles.
Yeah like all rapper talk about drugs and raping women, and slaping women or shooting cops? Thier have been plenty of songs sang by all kinds of people that talk about the things you mention,let's not make out that it's just rappers that have talked about these things in their songs.
Their are plenty of rappers that don't talk about the thing you mention, as for having their pants around their ankles, i would rather see that than some dumb ass rock/metal twat dressed up in some leotard or some stinking leather jacket that looks three hundread years old.
Again i can't think of anything worst than a greasy stinking metal head waving his unwashed hair about like some deranged girl,stinking of that shit they spread on duh leather dude.
Yeah like all rapper talk about drugs and raping women, and slaping women or shooting cops? Thier have been plenty of songs sang by all kinds of people that talk about the things you mention,let's not make out that it's just rappers that have talked about these things in their songs. Their are plenty of rappers that don't talk about the thing you mention, as for having their pants around their ankles, i would rather see that than some dumb ass rock/metal twat dressed up in some leotard or some stinking leather jacket that looks three hundread years old. Again i can't think of anything worst than a greasy stinking metal head waving his unwashed hair about like some deranged girl,stinking of that shit they spread on duh leather dude.
There is one genre of music "starting in the late 80's and continuing on today that is known more for that type of material than any other, it's not heavy metal. It's also in the context of the OP's original game suggestion.
( I only started the count of the late 80's for the hiphop fans here that do not like the crap faction of hiphop discussed here)
I can think of many things worse,, kids killed in drive by shootings,, people held up at gunpoint , convenience store clerks shot and killed for 50 bucks. This type of game would only glorify that behavior even more, and I can't think of what would happen for those people who cannot seperate reality from fantasy. Think about it, people have been killed over ingame loot already and this is a game with fantasy creatures and powers that Don't exist.
Yeah like all rapper talk about drugs and raping women, and slaping women or shooting cops? Thier have been plenty of songs sang by all kinds of people that talk about the things you mention,let's not make out that it's just rappers that have talked about these things in their songs. Their are plenty of rappers that don't talk about the thing you mention, as for having their pants around their ankles, i would rather see that than some dumb ass rock/metal twat dressed up in some leotard or some stinking leather jacket that looks three hundread years old. Again i can't think of anything worst than a greasy stinking metal head waving his unwashed hair about like some deranged girl,stinking of that shit they spread on duh leather dude.
There is one genre of music "starting in the late 80's and continuing on today that is known more for that type of material than any other, it's not heavy metal. It's also in the context of the OP's original game suggestion.
( I only started the count of the late 80's for the hiphop fans here that do not like the crap faction of hiphop discussed here)
I can think of many things worse,, kids killed in drive by shootings,, people held up at gunpoint , convenience store clerks shot and killed for 50 bucks. This type of game would only glorify that behavior even more, and I can't think of what would happen for those people who cannot seperate reality from fantasy. Think about it, people have been killed over ingame loot already and this is a game with fantasy creatures and powers that Don't exist.
Yeah like it's just people who listen to rap that commit those types of crimes.Murder ,rape drive by shootings have been happening long before rap music came along. Again ,let's not make that it's people who listen to rap that commit those types of crimes.
Let's take GTA and ask how many of the people who play it,listen to rap music? let's ask how many people who play GTA ,have followed any of the shit they see in the game, your argument is flawed just like your thinking that these crimes are commited by rappers.
You may think that rap is known only for these things which were here long befotre rap came along,but millions don't share your view. Their are many who think that metal is the music for drug dealing hells angels who rape ,shoot and kill people and supply drugs to profit their own pockets.
Again, who want's to see some greasy long haired twat in a leotard or with his/her 300 year old leather jacket,sprayed with that crap,riding his chopper or banging his head against the wall like some deranged idiot.
Yeah like it's just people who listen to rap that commit those types of crimes.Murder ,rape drive by shootings have been happening long before rap music came along. Again ,let's not make that it's people who listen to rap that commit those types of crimes. Whether or not these things have existed before rap music does not change the fact that out of all the music genres, Rap music glorifies these actions more than any other. Let's take GTA and ask how many of the people who play it,listen to rap music? let's ask how many people who play GTA ,have followed any of the shit they see in the game, your argument is flawed just like your thinking that these crimes are commited by rappers. Did I say these crimes were committed by rappers? But now that you mention it,, the crimes such as Biggie Smalls and Tupac probably were committed by rappers or their posses. You may think that rap is known only for these things which were here long befotre rap came along,but millions don't share your view. Their are many who think that metal is the music for drug dealing hells angels who rape ,shoot and kill people and supply drugs to profit their own pockets. Many bikers especially old gangs such as that are full of men in their 40s and above. They're far more likely to listen to Skynrd and classic or hard rock than metal. So you're way off base there. Also metal is generally associated with the devil and satanism, then drive by shootings of drug dealers. Again, who want's to see some greasy long haired twat in a leotard or with his/her 300 year old leather jacket,sprayed with that crap,riding his chopper or banging his head against the wall like some deranged idiot. Again this has no bearing on the subject being discussed and Metal heads don't actually bang their head against a wall.
I am going to clarify some things for all you so called people out there that think you know all about music. I have been a guitarist for 36 years mainly in the Detroit scene. Back in the late 70's, early 80's, rap was a underground culture and was far different than it is today. I cannot stand the garbage and that's what it is to me. my opinion, my choices. However, I knew several underground artists growing up who never behaved in the fashion that the modern day rapper does.
All this gangster, ebonic talking, ego eccentric bullshit. Get over yourselfs your walking clowns on a free a circus show really. I grew up on the streets of Detroit and I am far from the nerdy gamer you could ever possibly imagine. So many tough guys; everyones tough with a gun in their hand but there is always a bigger dog on the block. I ran the streets and could spew all kinds of stories but I will refrain.
Wikipedia is also a joke. I suggest you all start getting your information from more reliable sources. Try to do a solid term paper and refercne wikipedia. Your instructor would have a stroke. None of you so called clowns that think you know anything about music remotely do. There are still undergorund roots in the rap circle and let me tell you that some of these guys get really pissed to white boys walking around talking garbage, wearing their pants off their asses and thinking they are some tough punk. yes PUNK; a term used in prison to refer to the lowliest piece of crap in the system. Calling someone a punk in the incarcerated circle is really bad, punks.
Last but not least since I rambled and I can no longer stand the genral fucking public anymore here is a note of the roots of rap. RAP came from Rock n Roll. Pick up J Geils Band Live 1974 and hear Peter Wolf do Woober Goober off the cuff, never rehearsed. They even called it rap and to this day not one of you so called rappers can even compete next to it. I suggest you all go take a real good listen to how Peter Wolf did it. Furthermore, don't come back here trying to argue the point because rap didn't even exist in the undergorund movement in 1974. Research day and night and you won't find anything in 1974 or prior.
Now somebody set this damn thread on fire please.
Once the game is over, the king and the pawn go back in the same box. ~ Italian proverb
I am going to clarify some things for all you so called people out there that think you know all about music. I have been a guitarist for 36 years mainly in the Detroit scene. Back in the late 70's, early 80's, rap was a underground culture and was far different than it is today. I cannot stand the garbage and that's what it is to me. my opinion, my choices. However, I knew several underground artists growing up who never behaved in the fashion that the modern day rapper does. All this gangster, ebonic talking, ego eccentric bullshit. Get over yourselfs your walking clowns on a free a circus show really. I grew up on the streets of Detroit and I am far from the nerdy gamer you could ever possibly imagine. So many tough guys; everyones tough with a gun in their hand but there is always a bigger dog on the block. I ran the streets and could spew all kinds of stories but I will refrain. Wikipedia is also a joke. I suggest you all start getting your information from more reliable sources. Try to do a solid term paper and refercne wikipedia. Your instructor would have a stroke. None of you so called clowns that think you know anything about music remotely do. There are still undergorund roots in the rap circle and let me tell you that some of these guys get really pissed to white boys walking around talking garbage, wearing their pants off their asses and thinking they are some tough punk. yes PUNK; a term used in prison to refer to the lowliest piece of crap in the system. Calling someone a punk in the incarcerated circle is really bad, punks. Last but not least since I rambled and I can no longer stand the genral fucking public anymore here is a note of the roots of rap. RAP came from Rock n Roll. Pick up J Geils Band Live 1974 and hear Peter Wolf do Woober Goober off the cuff, never rehearsed. They even called it rap and to this day not one of you so called rappers can even compete next to it. I suggest you all go take a real good listen to how Peter Wolf did it. Furthermore, don't come back here trying to argue the point because rap didn't even exist in the undergorund movement in 1974. Research day and night and you won't find anything in 1974 or prior. Now somebody set this damn thread on fire please.
I won't find anything prior to 1974? Kool Herc started hiphop in 72. His group was called Kool Herc and The Herculoids. HipHop is related to all genres but was spawned from Funk music. Don't talk like you know about this when you don't have a clue.
You're the one who is trying to sound hardcore to me. You might not be speaking in ebonics or sagging your pants, but you sure as hell tried to sound like you were cool cuz you "grew up on the streets of Detroit". Being from the baddest area of a state doesn't give you any credibility.
I am going to clarify some things for all you so called people out there that think you know all about music. I have been a guitarist for 36 years mainly in the Detroit scene. Back in the late 70's, early 80's, rap was a underground culture and was far different than it is today. I cannot stand the garbage and that's what it is to me. my opinion, my choices. However, I knew several underground artists growing up who never behaved in the fashion that the modern day rapper does. All this gangster, ebonic talking, ego eccentric bullshit. Get over yourselfs your walking clowns on a free a circus show really. I grew up on the streets of Detroit and I am far from the nerdy gamer you could ever possibly imagine. So many tough guys; everyones tough with a gun in their hand but there is always a bigger dog on the block. I ran the streets and could spew all kinds of stories but I will refrain. Wikipedia is also a joke. I suggest you all start getting your information from more reliable sources. Try to do a solid term paper and refercne wikipedia. Your instructor would have a stroke. None of you so called clowns that think you know anything about music remotely do. There are still undergorund roots in the rap circle and let me tell you that some of these guys get really pissed to white boys walking around talking garbage, wearing their pants off their asses and thinking they are some tough punk. yes PUNK; a term used in prison to refer to the lowliest piece of crap in the system. Calling someone a punk in the incarcerated circle is really bad, punks. Last but not least since I rambled and I can no longer stand the genral fucking public anymore here is a note of the roots of rap. RAP came from Rock n Roll. Pick up J Geils Band Live 1974 and hear Peter Wolf do Woober Goober off the cuff, never rehearsed. They even called it rap and to this day not one of you so called rappers can even compete next to it. I suggest you all go take a real good listen to how Peter Wolf did it. Furthermore, don't come back here trying to argue the point because rap didn't even exist in the undergorund movement in 1974. Research day and night and you won't find anything in 1974 or prior. Now somebody set this damn thread on fire please.
Whoa, that's some cooped up rage there! Let it all out, man.
Seriously though, if you're going to be close minded and ignore a whole slew of music simply based on the artist's skin tone, then how are you any better then the little punks who think that Lil Wayne is real hip-hop?
The Beastie Boys are one of the oldest, still performing, hip hop acts. If I remember correctly, their first rap single was released in 1983 or 84 or something like that. Are you going to deny their contribution to the scene simply because they are white? How about MC Serch?
There are other very good underground white rappers. Brother Ali, Cage, Aesop Rock, El-P just to name a few.
Look, while the hip hop scene started as a predominately african american and latino american thing, it has grown way beyond that. There are great hip hop artists of all races, colors and social backgrounds and to deny their contribution is doing the genre and the culture a disservice.
Just my opinion. Then again, I haven't been playing guitar in the Detroit scene for over 36 years, so maybe my opinion is not as valid as yours.
I am going to clarify some things for all you so called people out there that think you know all about music. I have been a guitarist for 36 years mainly in the Detroit scene. Back in the late 70's, early 80's, rap was a underground culture and was far different than it is today. I cannot stand the garbage and that's what it is to me. my opinion, my choices. However, I knew several underground artists growing up who never behaved in the fashion that the modern day rapper does. All this gangster, ebonic talking, ego eccentric bullshit. Get over yourselfs your walking clowns on a free a circus show really. I grew up on the streets of Detroit and I am far from the nerdy gamer you could ever possibly imagine. So many tough guys; everyones tough with a gun in their hand but there is always a bigger dog on the block. I ran the streets and could spew all kinds of stories but I will refrain. Wikipedia is also a joke. I suggest you all start getting your information from more reliable sources. Try to do a solid term paper and refercne wikipedia. Your instructor would have a stroke. None of you so called clowns that think you know anything about music remotely do. There are still undergorund roots in the rap circle and let me tell you that some of these guys get really pissed to white boys walking around talking garbage, wearing their pants off their asses and thinking they are some tough punk. yes PUNK; a term used in prison to refer to the lowliest piece of crap in the system. Calling someone a punk in the incarcerated circle is really bad, punks. Last but not least since I rambled and I can no longer stand the genral fucking public anymore here is a note of the roots of rap. RAP came from Rock n Roll. Pick up J Geils Band Live 1974 and hear Peter Wolf do Woober Goober off the cuff, never rehearsed. They even called it rap and to this day not one of you so called rappers can even compete next to it. I suggest you all go take a real good listen to how Peter Wolf did it. Furthermore, don't come back here trying to argue the point because rap didn't even exist in the undergorund movement in 1974. Research day and night and you won't find anything in 1974 or prior. Now somebody set this damn thread on fire please.
Whoa, that's some cooped up rage there! Let it all out, man.
Seriously though, if you're going to be close minded and ignore a whole slew of music simply based on the artist's skin tone, then how are you any better then the little punks who think that Lil Wayne is real hip-hop?
The Beastie Boys are one of the oldest, still performing, hip hop acts. If I remember correctly, their first rap single was released in 1983 or 84 or something like that. Are you going to deny their contribution to the scene simply because they are white? How about MC Serch?
There are other very good underground white rappers. Brother Ali, Cage, Aesop Rock, El-P just to name a few.
Look, while the hip hop scene started as a predominately african american and latino american thing, it has grown way beyond that. There are great hip hop artists of all races, colors and social backgrounds and to deny their contribution is doing the genre and the culture a disservice.
Just my opinion. Then again, I haven't been playing guitar in the Detroit scene for over 36 years, so maybe my opinion is not as valid as yours.
Hip Hop is also world wide and has been for a very long time. It was in Japan as early as the 80s. Certain countries are just getting into it, while many countries have been doing it.
The one thing I hate about American hiphop (mainstream) is that they don't embrace the culture, which is causing all this hate. In any other country they have love for it all, out here they look at it as music. I'm not saying there aren't people like that outside of the states, but most foreign hip hoppers I meet are different. They feel the same way I do about the culture. I can't say that for most Americans.
I am going to clarify some things for all you so called people out there that think you know all about music. I have been a guitarist for 36 years mainly in the Detroit scene. Back in the late 70's, early 80's, rap was a underground culture and was far different than it is today. I cannot stand the garbage and that's what it is to me. my opinion, my choices. However, I knew several underground artists growing up who never behaved in the fashion that the modern day rapper does. All this gangster, ebonic talking, ego eccentric bullshit. Get over yourselfs your walking clowns on a free a circus show really. I grew up on the streets of Detroit and I am far from the nerdy gamer you could ever possibly imagine. So many tough guys; everyones tough with a gun in their hand but there is always a bigger dog on the block. I ran the streets and could spew all kinds of stories but I will refrain. Wikipedia is also a joke. I suggest you all start getting your information from more reliable sources. Try to do a solid term paper and refercne wikipedia. Your instructor would have a stroke. None of you so called clowns that think you know anything about music remotely do. There are still undergorund roots in the rap circle and let me tell you that some of these guys get really pissed to white boys walking around talking garbage, wearing their pants off their asses and thinking they are some tough punk. yes PUNK; a term used in prison to refer to the lowliest piece of crap in the system. Calling someone a punk in the incarcerated circle is really bad, punks. Last but not least since I rambled and I can no longer stand the genral fucking public anymore here is a note of the roots of rap. RAP came from Rock n Roll. Pick up J Geils Band Live 1974 and hear Peter Wolf do Woober Goober off the cuff, never rehearsed. They even called it rap and to this day not one of you so called rappers can even compete next to it. I suggest you all go take a real good listen to how Peter Wolf did it. Furthermore, don't come back here trying to argue the point because rap didn't even exist in the undergorund movement in 1974. Research day and night and you won't find anything in 1974 or prior. Now somebody set this damn thread on fire please.
Whoa, that's some cooped up rage there! Let it all out, man.
Seriously though, if you're going to be close minded and ignore a whole slew of music simply based on the artist's skin tone, then how are you any better then the little punks who think that Lil Wayne is real hip-hop?
The Beastie Boys are one of the oldest, still performing, hip hop acts. If I remember correctly, their first rap single was released in 1983 or 84 or something like that. Are you going to deny their contribution to the scene simply because they are white? How about MC Serch?
There are other very good underground white rappers. Brother Ali, Cage, Aesop Rock, El-P just to name a few.
Look, while the hip hop scene started as a predominately african american and latino american thing, it has grown way beyond that. There are great hip hop artists of all races, colors and social backgrounds and to deny their contribution is doing the genre and the culture a disservice.
Just my opinion. Then again, I haven't been playing guitar in the Detroit scene for over 36 years, so maybe my opinion is not as valid as yours.
Hip Hop is also world wide and has been for a very long time. It was in Japan as early as the 80s. Certain countries are just getting into it, while many countries have been doing it.
The one thing I hate about American hiphop (mainstream) is that they don't embrace the culture, which is causing all this hate. In any other country they have love for it all, out here they look at it as music. I'm not saying there aren't people like that outside of the states, but most foreign hip hoppers I meet are different. They feel the same way I do about the culture. I can't say that for most Americans.
I agree with you completely. Denying the fact that hip hop is a worldwide culture is just silly.
This track is better than most of the auto tuned crap they spin on HOT97. Looptroop Rockers from Sweden.
I agree with you completely. Denying the fact that hip hop is a worldwide culture is just silly. This track is better than most of the auto tuned crap they spin on HOT97. Looptroop Rockers from Sweden.
Word Loop Troop is one of my favorites, especially since they have a lot of love for graff =D.
Here are some more hiphop from outside of America.
MC Solaar - Nouveau Western (I first heard this when I was in middle school. This is the first foreign hiphop song I heard. I don't speak French, but I still like it.)
??????????????????CRAZY-A??MAD??????? (Crazy-A, to my knowledge Japan's first emcee and b-boy. He is also the president of legendary Rock Steady Crew's Japan chapter)
Ceza - Fark Var (Turkey's hiphop scene is still young, but it's there)
I am going to clarify some things for all you so called people out there that think you know all about music. I have been a guitarist for 36 years mainly in the Detroit scene. Back in the late 70's, early 80's, rap was a underground culture and was far different than it is today. I cannot stand the garbage and that's what it is to me. my opinion, my choices. However, I knew several underground artists growing up who never behaved in the fashion that the modern day rapper does. All this gangster, ebonic talking, ego eccentric bullshit. Get over yourselfs your walking clowns on a free a circus show really. I grew up on the streets of Detroit and I am far from the nerdy gamer you could ever possibly imagine. So many tough guys; everyones tough with a gun in their hand but there is always a bigger dog on the block. I ran the streets and could spew all kinds of stories but I will refrain. Wikipedia is also a joke. I suggest you all start getting your information from more reliable sources. Try to do a solid term paper and refercne wikipedia. Your instructor would have a stroke. None of you so called clowns that think you know anything about music remotely do. There are still undergorund roots in the rap circle and let me tell you that some of these guys get really pissed to white boys walking around talking garbage, wearing their pants off their asses and thinking they are some tough punk. yes PUNK; a term used in prison to refer to the lowliest piece of crap in the system. Calling someone a punk in the incarcerated circle is really bad, punks. Last but not least since I rambled and I can no longer stand the genral fucking public anymore here is a note of the roots of rap. RAP came from Rock n Roll. Pick up J Geils Band Live 1974 and hear Peter Wolf do Woober Goober off the cuff, never rehearsed. They even called it rap and to this day not one of you so called rappers can even compete next to it. I suggest you all go take a real good listen to how Peter Wolf did it. Furthermore, don't come back here trying to argue the point because rap didn't even exist in the undergorund movement in 1974. Research day and night and you won't find anything in 1974 or prior. Now somebody set this damn thread on fire please.
I won't find anything prior to 1974? Kool Herc started hiphop in 72. His group was called Kool Herc and The Herculoids. HipHop is related to all genres but was spawned from Funk music. Don't talk like you know about this when you don't have a clue.
You're the one who is trying to sound hardcore to me. You might not be speaking in ebonics or sagging your pants, but you sure as hell tried to sound like you were cool cuz you "grew up on the streets of Detroit". Being from the baddest area of a state doesn't give you any credibility.
First off, rap and hip hop are two different monsters so read my post in its entirety. Furthermore, I have nothing to prove about how hardcore YOU or anyone else thinks I am. However, I'll indulge you just a tad.
From 12-16 I was locked up in a maximum security juvenile facility. At 18 I had a heart attack from free basing. I have acquaintances in MC's, in street gangs, in law enforcement, and world wide. I ran the streets far more hardcore than what most of these young punks think. Once I used up my triple nine lives I decided to make a difference for the better of humanity. I finished a bachelor's degree and I begin to work for the judicial institutions. Out of thousands of young people I desperately tried to help, I can count on both hands the number that chose to turn their lives around and make something of themselves.
I may have came off a bit harsh in my previous post but this type of behavior and shit affects me far more adversely then the general public. I have been shot, stabbed, beaten to the ground and have had bones broken you can't even pronounce properly. Yea, I can be a tough guy when forced to be but I prefer to try to avoid violence at all costs today. Like I said, I am far from your stereotypical geek nerd gamer and I have been gaming longer than most people have (30+ years).
I have watched clowns like the ones we have mouthing off here com into a juvenile facility or prison talking their shit, acting like they are going to run the show and attack a corrections officer. You know what happens to them? They go straight to the fucking ground in intense pain, get restraints put on them and go in lock down where they then begin to cry like babies for the next fucking 10 hours.
When they come out of lock down they are merely punks to the rest of the community. The young guys that are actually pretty tough knew better than to take a swing at any officer because in a matter of 3 seconds you had ten officers taking your ass down. I have been shanked with fucking pencils, plastic forks, and had several guys try to gang jump me and it didn't turn out good for them either.
This type of behavior and attitude makes me sick and when I see young men heading down a road of death and misery I get pissed off. Especially when their actions affect innocent people and they have no regard for the sanctity of human life what so ever. I could write a fucking novel on shit I have seen in the last 40 years and things I have done but I don't care to. I also have nothing to prove to anyone as I am quite certain of the man that I am.
My replies may very well have been a bit immature but again this type of post affects me deeply. You ever had your friends head explode in the car seat next to you? Ever held a buddy while he bled out from 35 stab wounds? Ever held a child shot and killed in the line of gang fire? I have zero respect or tolerance for this lifestyle or what it envisions or breeds. I live with my fucking demons on a daily basis and they will never go away. However, I chose a better path several years ago and I have never regretted it.
Once the game is over, the king and the pawn go back in the same box. ~ Italian proverb
First off, rap and hip hop are two different monsters so read my post in its entirety. Furthermore, I have nothing to prove about how hardcore YOU or anyone else thinks I am. However, I'll indulge you just a tad. From 12-16 I was locked up in a maximum security juvenile facility. At 18 I had a heart attack from free basing. I have acquaintances in MC's, in street gangs, in law enforcement, and world wide. I ran the streets far more hardcore than what most of these young punks think. Once I used up my triple nine lives I decided to make a difference for the better of humanity. I finished a bachelor's degree and I begin to work for the judicial institutions. Out of thousands of young people I desperately tried to help, I can count on both hands the number that chose to turn their lives around and make something of themselves. I may have came off a bit harsh in my previous post but this type of behavior and shit affects me far more adversely then the general public. I have been shot, stabbed, beaten to the ground and have had bones broken you can't even pronounce properly. Yea, I can be a tough guy when forced to be but I prefer to try to avoid violence at all costs today. Like I said, I am far from your stereotypical geek nerd gamer and I have been gaming longer than most people have (30+ years). I have watched clowns like the ones we have mouthing off here com into a juvenile facility or prison talking their shit, acting like they are going to run the show and attack a corrections officer. You know what happens to them? They go straight to the fucking ground in intense pain, get restraints put on them and go in lock down where they then begin to cry like babies for the next fucking 10 hours. When they come out of lock down they are merely punks to the rest of the community. The young guys that are actually pretty tough knew better than to take a swing at any officer because in a matter of 3 seconds you had ten officers taking your ass down. I have been shanked with fucking pencils, plastic forks, and had several guys try to gang jump me and it didn't turn out good for them either. This type of behavior and attitude makes me sick and when I see young men heading down a road of death and misery I get pissed off. Especially when their actions affect innocent people and they have no regard for the sanctity of human life what so ever. I could write a fucking novel on shit I have seen in the last 40 years and things I have done but I don't care to. I also have nothing to prove to anyone as I am quite certain of the man that I am. My replies may very well have been a bit immature but again this type of post affects me deeply. You ever had your friends head explode in the car seat next to you? Ever held a buddy while he bled out from 35 stab wounds? Ever held a child shot and killed in the line of gang fire? I have zero respect or tolerance for this lifestyle or what it envisions or breeds. I live with my fucking demons on a daily basis and they will never go away. However, I chose a better path several years ago and I have never regretted it.
I don't disagree with the things you said,, but just because Wikipedia can be added/to or edited by people does not make it worthless. Should you use it as the proof of anything or in a research paper? Hell no,,, but what wikipedia can do is give you information that can help point you in the right direction of material and sources with credible references and investigative journalism.
Anyone who relies on Wiki as their "PROOF" of an argument is making a huge mistake, that doesn't mean they shouldn't use it at all for a starting point. Afterall if you work in the judiciary system and work with cops, you know that when they investigate a crime and take in as many statements as they can and weed through it to find the credible ones.
I am going to clarify some things for all you so called people out there that think you know all about music. I have been a guitarist for 36 years mainly in the Detroit scene. Back in the late 70's, early 80's, rap was a underground culture and was far different than it is today. I cannot stand the garbage and that's what it is to me. my opinion, my choices. However, I knew several underground artists growing up who never behaved in the fashion that the modern day rapper does. All this gangster, ebonic talking, ego eccentric bullshit. Get over yourselfs your walking clowns on a free a circus show really. I grew up on the streets of Detroit and I am far from the nerdy gamer you could ever possibly imagine. So many tough guys; everyones tough with a gun in their hand but there is always a bigger dog on the block. I ran the streets and could spew all kinds of stories but I will refrain. Wikipedia is also a joke. I suggest you all start getting your information from more reliable sources. Try to do a solid term paper and refercne wikipedia. Your instructor would have a stroke. None of you so called clowns that think you know anything about music remotely do. There are still undergorund roots in the rap circle and let me tell you that some of these guys get really pissed to white boys walking around talking garbage, wearing their pants off their asses and thinking they are some tough punk. yes PUNK; a term used in prison to refer to the lowliest piece of crap in the system. Calling someone a punk in the incarcerated circle is really bad, punks. Last but not least since I rambled and I can no longer stand the genral fucking public anymore here is a note of the roots of rap. RAP came from Rock n Roll. Pick up J Geils Band Live 1974 and hear Peter Wolf do Woober Goober off the cuff, never rehearsed. They even called it rap and to this day not one of you so called rappers can even compete next to it. I suggest you all go take a real good listen to how Peter Wolf did it. Furthermore, don't come back here trying to argue the point because rap didn't even exist in the undergorund movement in 1974. Research day and night and you won't find anything in 1974 or prior. Now somebody set this damn thread on fire please.
I won't find anything prior to 1974? Kool Herc started hiphop in 72. His group was called Kool Herc and The Herculoids. HipHop is related to all genres but was spawned from Funk music. Don't talk like you know about this when you don't have a clue.
You're the one who is trying to sound hardcore to me. You might not be speaking in ebonics or sagging your pants, but you sure as hell tried to sound like you were cool cuz you "grew up on the streets of Detroit". Being from the baddest area of a state doesn't give you any credibility.
First off, rap and hip hop are two different monsters so read my post in its entirety. Furthermore, I have nothing to prove about how hardcore YOU or anyone else thinks I am. However, I'll indulge you just a tad.
From 12-16 I was locked up in a maximum security juvenile facility. At 18 I had a heart attack from free basing. I have acquaintances in MC's, in street gangs, in law enforcement, and world wide. I ran the streets far more hardcore than what most of these young punks think. Once I used up my triple nine lives I decided to make a difference for the better of humanity. I finished a bachelor's degree and I begin to work for the judicial institutions. Out of thousands of young people I desperately tried to help, I can count on both hands the number that chose to turn their lives around and make something of themselves.
I may have came off a bit harsh in my previous post but this type of behavior and shit affects me far more adversely then the general public. I have been shot, stabbed, beaten to the ground and have had bones broken you can't even pronounce properly. Yea, I can be a tough guy when forced to be but I prefer to try to avoid violence at all costs today. Like I said, I am far from your stereotypical geek nerd gamer and I have been gaming longer than most people have (30+ years).
I have watched clowns like the ones we have mouthing off here com into a juvenile facility or prison talking their shit, acting like they are going to run the show and attack a corrections officer. You know what happens to them? They go straight to the fucking ground in intense pain, get restraints put on them and go in lock down where they then begin to cry like babies for the next fucking 10 hours.
When they come out of lock down they are merely punks to the rest of the community. The young guys that are actually pretty tough knew better than to take a swing at any officer because in a matter of 3 seconds you had ten officers taking your ass down. I have been shanked with fucking pencils, plastic forks, and had several guys try to gang jump me and it didn't turn out good for them either.
This type of behavior and attitude makes me sick and when I see young men heading down a road of death and misery I get pissed off. Especially when their actions affect innocent people and they have no regard for the sanctity of human life what so ever. I could write a fucking novel on shit I have seen in the last 40 years and things I have done but I don't care to. I also have nothing to prove to anyone as I am quite certain of the man that I am.
My replies may very well have been a bit immature but again this type of post affects me deeply. You ever had your friends head explode in the car seat next to you? Ever held a buddy while he bled out from 35 stab wounds? Ever held a child shot and killed in the line of gang fire? I have zero respect or tolerance for this lifestyle or what it envisions or breeds. I live with my fucking demons on a daily basis and they will never go away. However, I chose a better path several years ago and I have never regretted it.
Amen brother. In the present culture many think that being a Man is based on how tuff you are. I remember the early days of rap, I respected it then because it was in fact Street Poetry. Now it seems to be the glorification of violent crime. I am 57 and I remember a day when being a Man was more based on how you helped others. Now it seems to be based on how many women you can get pregnant(and not help) and how violent you are when you are disrespected(forgetting that true Respect is earned not given). A true man is responsible for his actions, and tries to help - even when there is no apparent reward for doing so. A true Man looks at the person who is disrespecting him, shrugs and walks away. A true Man raises his children and is with only the Woman He loves, and even Raises her children that are not his as his own.
I am sure many of those in these forums will laugh at what I just posted.. to them "(shrug).. walk away".
I don't have a problem with anything you said. In fact I agree that this gangster/thug shit is ridiculous. The only real problem I had with your post was the fact that you said hiphop came from rock, which is false information. I also felt that you didn't need to add the "streets of Detroit" bit.
Trust me, I am far from the average gamer geek myself. I haven't been locked up, or stabbed, or shot. I do know people who have been stabbed, bottles broken over their heads. I also know people who beat the shit out of others with aluminum bats, stabbed others, and just did fucked up shit.
The reason I have such passion for hip hop is because it changed my whole life. I was running around with fucked up people for a long time. I sold my fair share of drugs and did fucked up shit to people. I was into the music aspect of hiphop, just listening to it. I had no idea what it really was at the time.
I always did graffiti since I was about 11, but I never knew about the creative side of it. I was running around just putting my name up. As I learned more about it and developed my style, I eventually focused on that and left most of the other bullshit behind. Now, I'm not saying graffiti can't get you in trouble, because it sure as hell can. The thing is it kept me away from a lot of negativity. I eventually got into dancing which really pushed me further away from the drugs, violence, and fucked up people.
That's when I really got into hiphop and actually learned first hand from people who were there from the beginning (or at least before my time). I would go out to the Bronx to dance and meet old school graffiti writers and b-boys. I would see true emcees battle at events, or just rhyming in a cipher outside the jam. I met incredible turntablists and DJs and learned about hiphop's roots from all of this.
I saw how hiphop brought everybody together. It didn't matter what race you were, what religion, rich or poor. None of that mattered because we really loved hiphop. We focused our energy on hiphop and stayed away from the bullshit. I'm not saying every single person was good or kind, but for the most part it was all love. Sure emcees might say something negative, but you're supposed to treat it as entertainment, because that's what music is for.
Most of the people I was running with before are either doing real shitty, addicted to hardcore drugs, or in and out of jail. Hiphop took me away from that and really changed my life. I didn't feel the need to tell my story before, because it wasn't necessary. But since you told yours I told mine.
It saddens me when people associate hiphop with something negative. I just want to let the uninformed know there is more to hiphop than hoes, money, cars, and clothes.
Also, I know rap and hiphop are not the same. Rap is the musical aspect of hiphop. I also know a lot of rappers are horrible role models. Really though, if parents/guardians can't teach their kids the difference between real life and entertainment, that's their problem. I treat rap as a form of entertainment, as everyone else should. I don't watch Kill Bill and get mad cuz some chick killed a million people, so I won't get mad when I hear it in a song.
It's really sad that most real emcees can't get radio play. What can you do? Sex, violence, and drugs sell and record companies know this. During the gangsta era there were great groups like Digable Planets, The Pharcyde, Artifacts, Heiroglyphics, Bush Babees, etc that never got the respect they should have. They weren't gangster enough. Some of them are still around today on the underground, but they're forgotten to the masses.
Rap is fine its the culture that sucks. Like former posters have stated already. The whole tough guy, ebonics talking, pants down to the ankles, public lewdness, and disrespect for the community {ie: inside malls/public gatherings} is what really sucks about the hip hop community. Not all hip hoppers, but most.
The hip hop CULTURE is a disease on mankind. For the 1 rapper who actually doesnt fit the stereotypes above, they're are 10 more that do.
Actually this would be a hilarious game to play, I don't know if I'd pay for it though. Even if it was awesome I don't think gangster rap fans or music game (guitar hero) players and MMO players are one and the same demographic though.
I'm imagining all the avatars with Vanilla Ice ripoff names and appearances, and I don't know whether to laugh or to cry.
Sorry, but I'd rather put out a cigarette on my eyeball than play a "rap" game.
"It is in your nature to do one thing correctly; Before me, you rightfully tremble. But, fear is not what you owe me. You owe me awe." ~Francis Dolarhyde
Wow I really opened a can of worms here... Well I'm probably going to have to start a new thread to discuss a warhammer 40k MMO since this one is so lost in internet conflict... Regardless.
WU TANG IS FOREVER!!!
Sorry about that bro! Speaking of the Wu I came across this on digg. Nothing amazing, but pretty funny imo.
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I'd rather have the stinky metal heads that can actually play instruments than some stupid morons speaking in broken english, pretending to be from bad parts of town, celebrating drugs, raping women, slapping around hoes, and shooting cops, with their pants at their ankles.
Yeah like all rapper talk about drugs and raping women, and slaping women or shooting cops? Thier have been plenty of songs sang by all kinds of people that talk about the things you mention,let's not make out that it's just rappers that have talked about these things in their songs.
Their are plenty of rappers that don't talk about the thing you mention, as for having their pants around their ankles, i would rather see that than some dumb ass rock/metal twat dressed up in some leotard or some stinking leather jacket that looks three hundread years old.
Again i can't think of anything worst than a greasy stinking metal head waving his unwashed hair about like some deranged girl,stinking of that shit they spread on duh leather dude.
There is one genre of music "starting in the late 80's and continuing on today that is known more for that type of material than any other, it's not heavy metal. It's also in the context of the OP's original game suggestion.
( I only started the count of the late 80's for the hiphop fans here that do not like the crap faction of hiphop discussed here)
I can think of many things worse,, kids killed in drive by shootings,, people held up at gunpoint , convenience store clerks shot and killed for 50 bucks. This type of game would only glorify that behavior even more, and I can't think of what would happen for those people who cannot seperate reality from fantasy. Think about it, people have been killed over ingame loot already and this is a game with fantasy creatures and powers that Don't exist.
No.
There is one genre of music "starting in the late 80's and continuing on today that is known more for that type of material than any other, it's not heavy metal. It's also in the context of the OP's original game suggestion.
( I only started the count of the late 80's for the hiphop fans here that do not like the crap faction of hiphop discussed here)
I can think of many things worse,, kids killed in drive by shootings,, people held up at gunpoint , convenience store clerks shot and killed for 50 bucks. This type of game would only glorify that behavior even more, and I can't think of what would happen for those people who cannot seperate reality from fantasy. Think about it, people have been killed over ingame loot already and this is a game with fantasy creatures and powers that Don't exist.
Yeah like it's just people who listen to rap that commit those types of crimes.Murder ,rape drive by shootings have been happening long before rap music came along. Again ,let's not make that it's people who listen to rap that commit those types of crimes.
Let's take GTA and ask how many of the people who play it,listen to rap music? let's ask how many people who play GTA ,have followed any of the shit they see in the game, your argument is flawed just like your thinking that these crimes are commited by rappers.
You may think that rap is known only for these things which were here long befotre rap came along,but millions don't share your view. Their are many who think that metal is the music for drug dealing hells angels who rape ,shoot and kill people and supply drugs to profit their own pockets.
Again, who want's to see some greasy long haired twat in a leotard or with his/her 300 year old leather jacket,sprayed with that crap,riding his chopper or banging his head against the wall like some deranged idiot.
how about Rapist mmo? now that would be popular.
I am going to clarify some things for all you so called people out there that think you know all about music. I have been a guitarist for 36 years mainly in the Detroit scene. Back in the late 70's, early 80's, rap was a underground culture and was far different than it is today. I cannot stand the garbage and that's what it is to me. my opinion, my choices. However, I knew several underground artists growing up who never behaved in the fashion that the modern day rapper does.
All this gangster, ebonic talking, ego eccentric bullshit. Get over yourselfs your walking clowns on a free a circus show really. I grew up on the streets of Detroit and I am far from the nerdy gamer you could ever possibly imagine. So many tough guys; everyones tough with a gun in their hand but there is always a bigger dog on the block. I ran the streets and could spew all kinds of stories but I will refrain.
Wikipedia is also a joke. I suggest you all start getting your information from more reliable sources. Try to do a solid term paper and refercne wikipedia. Your instructor would have a stroke. None of you so called clowns that think you know anything about music remotely do. There are still undergorund roots in the rap circle and let me tell you that some of these guys get really pissed to white boys walking around talking garbage, wearing their pants off their asses and thinking they are some tough punk. yes PUNK; a term used in prison to refer to the lowliest piece of crap in the system. Calling someone a punk in the incarcerated circle is really bad, punks.
Last but not least since I rambled and I can no longer stand the genral fucking public anymore here is a note of the roots of rap. RAP came from Rock n Roll. Pick up J Geils Band Live 1974 and hear Peter Wolf do Woober Goober off the cuff, never rehearsed. They even called it rap and to this day not one of you so called rappers can even compete next to it. I suggest you all go take a real good listen to how Peter Wolf did it. Furthermore, don't come back here trying to argue the point because rap didn't even exist in the undergorund movement in 1974. Research day and night and you won't find anything in 1974 or prior.
Now somebody set this damn thread on fire please.
Once the game is over, the king and the pawn go back in the same box. ~ Italian proverb
I won't find anything prior to 1974? Kool Herc started hiphop in 72. His group was called Kool Herc and The Herculoids. HipHop is related to all genres but was spawned from Funk music. Don't talk like you know about this when you don't have a clue.
You're the one who is trying to sound hardcore to me. You might not be speaking in ebonics or sagging your pants, but you sure as hell tried to sound like you were cool cuz you "grew up on the streets of Detroit". Being from the baddest area of a state doesn't give you any credibility.
Whoa, that's some cooped up rage there! Let it all out, man.
Seriously though, if you're going to be close minded and ignore a whole slew of music simply based on the artist's skin tone, then how are you any better then the little punks who think that Lil Wayne is real hip-hop?
The Beastie Boys are one of the oldest, still performing, hip hop acts. If I remember correctly, their first rap single was released in 1983 or 84 or something like that. Are you going to deny their contribution to the scene simply because they are white? How about MC Serch?
There are other very good underground white rappers. Brother Ali, Cage, Aesop Rock, El-P just to name a few.
Look, while the hip hop scene started as a predominately african american and latino american thing, it has grown way beyond that. There are great hip hop artists of all races, colors and social backgrounds and to deny their contribution is doing the genre and the culture a disservice.
Just my opinion. Then again, I haven't been playing guitar in the Detroit scene for over 36 years, so maybe my opinion is not as valid as yours.
Whoa, that's some cooped up rage there! Let it all out, man.
Seriously though, if you're going to be close minded and ignore a whole slew of music simply based on the artist's skin tone, then how are you any better then the little punks who think that Lil Wayne is real hip-hop?
The Beastie Boys are one of the oldest, still performing, hip hop acts. If I remember correctly, their first rap single was released in 1983 or 84 or something like that. Are you going to deny their contribution to the scene simply because they are white? How about MC Serch?
There are other very good underground white rappers. Brother Ali, Cage, Aesop Rock, El-P just to name a few.
Look, while the hip hop scene started as a predominately african american and latino american thing, it has grown way beyond that. There are great hip hop artists of all races, colors and social backgrounds and to deny their contribution is doing the genre and the culture a disservice.
Just my opinion. Then again, I haven't been playing guitar in the Detroit scene for over 36 years, so maybe my opinion is not as valid as yours.
Hip Hop is also world wide and has been for a very long time. It was in Japan as early as the 80s. Certain countries are just getting into it, while many countries have been doing it.
The one thing I hate about American hiphop (mainstream) is that they don't embrace the culture, which is causing all this hate. In any other country they have love for it all, out here they look at it as music. I'm not saying there aren't people like that outside of the states, but most foreign hip hoppers I meet are different. They feel the same way I do about the culture. I can't say that for most Americans.
I would totally play a game where we got to kill rappers and hip-hoppers.
Whoa, that's some cooped up rage there! Let it all out, man.
Seriously though, if you're going to be close minded and ignore a whole slew of music simply based on the artist's skin tone, then how are you any better then the little punks who think that Lil Wayne is real hip-hop?
The Beastie Boys are one of the oldest, still performing, hip hop acts. If I remember correctly, their first rap single was released in 1983 or 84 or something like that. Are you going to deny their contribution to the scene simply because they are white? How about MC Serch?
There are other very good underground white rappers. Brother Ali, Cage, Aesop Rock, El-P just to name a few.
Look, while the hip hop scene started as a predominately african american and latino american thing, it has grown way beyond that. There are great hip hop artists of all races, colors and social backgrounds and to deny their contribution is doing the genre and the culture a disservice.
Just my opinion. Then again, I haven't been playing guitar in the Detroit scene for over 36 years, so maybe my opinion is not as valid as yours.
Hip Hop is also world wide and has been for a very long time. It was in Japan as early as the 80s. Certain countries are just getting into it, while many countries have been doing it.
The one thing I hate about American hiphop (mainstream) is that they don't embrace the culture, which is causing all this hate. In any other country they have love for it all, out here they look at it as music. I'm not saying there aren't people like that outside of the states, but most foreign hip hoppers I meet are different. They feel the same way I do about the culture. I can't say that for most Americans.
I agree with you completely. Denying the fact that hip hop is a worldwide culture is just silly.
This track is better than most of the auto tuned crap they spin on HOT97. Looptroop Rockers from Sweden.
Word Loop Troop is one of my favorites, especially since they have a lot of love for graff =D.
Here are some more hiphop from outside of America.
MC Solaar - Nouveau Western (I first heard this when I was in middle school. This is the first foreign hiphop song I heard. I don't speak French, but I still like it.)
??????????????????CRAZY-A??MAD??????? (Crazy-A, to my knowledge Japan's first emcee and b-boy. He is also the president of legendary Rock Steady Crew's Japan chapter)
Ceza - Fark Var (Turkey's hiphop scene is still young, but it's there)
I won't find anything prior to 1974? Kool Herc started hiphop in 72. His group was called Kool Herc and The Herculoids. HipHop is related to all genres but was spawned from Funk music. Don't talk like you know about this when you don't have a clue.
You're the one who is trying to sound hardcore to me. You might not be speaking in ebonics or sagging your pants, but you sure as hell tried to sound like you were cool cuz you "grew up on the streets of Detroit". Being from the baddest area of a state doesn't give you any credibility.
First off, rap and hip hop are two different monsters so read my post in its entirety. Furthermore, I have nothing to prove about how hardcore YOU or anyone else thinks I am. However, I'll indulge you just a tad.
From 12-16 I was locked up in a maximum security juvenile facility. At 18 I had a heart attack from free basing. I have acquaintances in MC's, in street gangs, in law enforcement, and world wide. I ran the streets far more hardcore than what most of these young punks think. Once I used up my triple nine lives I decided to make a difference for the better of humanity. I finished a bachelor's degree and I begin to work for the judicial institutions. Out of thousands of young people I desperately tried to help, I can count on both hands the number that chose to turn their lives around and make something of themselves.
I may have came off a bit harsh in my previous post but this type of behavior and shit affects me far more adversely then the general public. I have been shot, stabbed, beaten to the ground and have had bones broken you can't even pronounce properly. Yea, I can be a tough guy when forced to be but I prefer to try to avoid violence at all costs today. Like I said, I am far from your stereotypical geek nerd gamer and I have been gaming longer than most people have (30+ years).
I have watched clowns like the ones we have mouthing off here com into a juvenile facility or prison talking their shit, acting like they are going to run the show and attack a corrections officer. You know what happens to them? They go straight to the fucking ground in intense pain, get restraints put on them and go in lock down where they then begin to cry like babies for the next fucking 10 hours.
When they come out of lock down they are merely punks to the rest of the community. The young guys that are actually pretty tough knew better than to take a swing at any officer because in a matter of 3 seconds you had ten officers taking your ass down. I have been shanked with fucking pencils, plastic forks, and had several guys try to gang jump me and it didn't turn out good for them either.
This type of behavior and attitude makes me sick and when I see young men heading down a road of death and misery I get pissed off. Especially when their actions affect innocent people and they have no regard for the sanctity of human life what so ever. I could write a fucking novel on shit I have seen in the last 40 years and things I have done but I don't care to. I also have nothing to prove to anyone as I am quite certain of the man that I am.
My replies may very well have been a bit immature but again this type of post affects me deeply. You ever had your friends head explode in the car seat next to you? Ever held a buddy while he bled out from 35 stab wounds? Ever held a child shot and killed in the line of gang fire? I have zero respect or tolerance for this lifestyle or what it envisions or breeds. I live with my fucking demons on a daily basis and they will never go away. However, I chose a better path several years ago and I have never regretted it.
Once the game is over, the king and the pawn go back in the same box. ~ Italian proverb
I don't disagree with the things you said,, but just because Wikipedia can be added/to or edited by people does not make it worthless. Should you use it as the proof of anything or in a research paper? Hell no,,, but what wikipedia can do is give you information that can help point you in the right direction of material and sources with credible references and investigative journalism.
Anyone who relies on Wiki as their "PROOF" of an argument is making a huge mistake, that doesn't mean they shouldn't use it at all for a starting point. Afterall if you work in the judiciary system and work with cops, you know that when they investigate a crime and take in as many statements as they can and weed through it to find the credible ones.
I won't find anything prior to 1974? Kool Herc started hiphop in 72. His group was called Kool Herc and The Herculoids. HipHop is related to all genres but was spawned from Funk music. Don't talk like you know about this when you don't have a clue.
You're the one who is trying to sound hardcore to me. You might not be speaking in ebonics or sagging your pants, but you sure as hell tried to sound like you were cool cuz you "grew up on the streets of Detroit". Being from the baddest area of a state doesn't give you any credibility.
First off, rap and hip hop are two different monsters so read my post in its entirety. Furthermore, I have nothing to prove about how hardcore YOU or anyone else thinks I am. However, I'll indulge you just a tad.
From 12-16 I was locked up in a maximum security juvenile facility. At 18 I had a heart attack from free basing. I have acquaintances in MC's, in street gangs, in law enforcement, and world wide. I ran the streets far more hardcore than what most of these young punks think. Once I used up my triple nine lives I decided to make a difference for the better of humanity. I finished a bachelor's degree and I begin to work for the judicial institutions. Out of thousands of young people I desperately tried to help, I can count on both hands the number that chose to turn their lives around and make something of themselves.
I may have came off a bit harsh in my previous post but this type of behavior and shit affects me far more adversely then the general public. I have been shot, stabbed, beaten to the ground and have had bones broken you can't even pronounce properly. Yea, I can be a tough guy when forced to be but I prefer to try to avoid violence at all costs today. Like I said, I am far from your stereotypical geek nerd gamer and I have been gaming longer than most people have (30+ years).
I have watched clowns like the ones we have mouthing off here com into a juvenile facility or prison talking their shit, acting like they are going to run the show and attack a corrections officer. You know what happens to them? They go straight to the fucking ground in intense pain, get restraints put on them and go in lock down where they then begin to cry like babies for the next fucking 10 hours.
When they come out of lock down they are merely punks to the rest of the community. The young guys that are actually pretty tough knew better than to take a swing at any officer because in a matter of 3 seconds you had ten officers taking your ass down. I have been shanked with fucking pencils, plastic forks, and had several guys try to gang jump me and it didn't turn out good for them either.
This type of behavior and attitude makes me sick and when I see young men heading down a road of death and misery I get pissed off. Especially when their actions affect innocent people and they have no regard for the sanctity of human life what so ever. I could write a fucking novel on shit I have seen in the last 40 years and things I have done but I don't care to. I also have nothing to prove to anyone as I am quite certain of the man that I am.
My replies may very well have been a bit immature but again this type of post affects me deeply. You ever had your friends head explode in the car seat next to you? Ever held a buddy while he bled out from 35 stab wounds? Ever held a child shot and killed in the line of gang fire? I have zero respect or tolerance for this lifestyle or what it envisions or breeds. I live with my fucking demons on a daily basis and they will never go away. However, I chose a better path several years ago and I have never regretted it.
Amen brother. In the present culture many think that being a Man is based on how tuff you are. I remember the early days of rap, I respected it then because it was in fact Street Poetry. Now it seems to be the glorification of violent crime. I am 57 and I remember a day when being a Man was more based on how you helped others. Now it seems to be based on how many women you can get pregnant(and not help) and how violent you are when you are disrespected(forgetting that true Respect is earned not given). A true man is responsible for his actions, and tries to help - even when there is no apparent reward for doing so. A true Man looks at the person who is disrespecting him, shrugs and walks away. A true Man raises his children and is with only the Woman He loves, and even Raises her children that are not his as his own.
I am sure many of those in these forums will laugh at what I just posted.. to them "(shrug).. walk away".
I don't have a problem with anything you said. In fact I agree that this gangster/thug shit is ridiculous. The only real problem I had with your post was the fact that you said hiphop came from rock, which is false information. I also felt that you didn't need to add the "streets of Detroit" bit.
Trust me, I am far from the average gamer geek myself. I haven't been locked up, or stabbed, or shot. I do know people who have been stabbed, bottles broken over their heads. I also know people who beat the shit out of others with aluminum bats, stabbed others, and just did fucked up shit.
The reason I have such passion for hip hop is because it changed my whole life. I was running around with fucked up people for a long time. I sold my fair share of drugs and did fucked up shit to people. I was into the music aspect of hiphop, just listening to it. I had no idea what it really was at the time.
I always did graffiti since I was about 11, but I never knew about the creative side of it. I was running around just putting my name up. As I learned more about it and developed my style, I eventually focused on that and left most of the other bullshit behind. Now, I'm not saying graffiti can't get you in trouble, because it sure as hell can. The thing is it kept me away from a lot of negativity. I eventually got into dancing which really pushed me further away from the drugs, violence, and fucked up people.
That's when I really got into hiphop and actually learned first hand from people who were there from the beginning (or at least before my time). I would go out to the Bronx to dance and meet old school graffiti writers and b-boys. I would see true emcees battle at events, or just rhyming in a cipher outside the jam. I met incredible turntablists and DJs and learned about hiphop's roots from all of this.
I saw how hiphop brought everybody together. It didn't matter what race you were, what religion, rich or poor. None of that mattered because we really loved hiphop. We focused our energy on hiphop and stayed away from the bullshit. I'm not saying every single person was good or kind, but for the most part it was all love. Sure emcees might say something negative, but you're supposed to treat it as entertainment, because that's what music is for.
Most of the people I was running with before are either doing real shitty, addicted to hardcore drugs, or in and out of jail. Hiphop took me away from that and really changed my life. I didn't feel the need to tell my story before, because it wasn't necessary. But since you told yours I told mine.
It saddens me when people associate hiphop with something negative. I just want to let the uninformed know there is more to hiphop than hoes, money, cars, and clothes.
Also, I know rap and hiphop are not the same. Rap is the musical aspect of hiphop. I also know a lot of rappers are horrible role models. Really though, if parents/guardians can't teach their kids the difference between real life and entertainment, that's their problem. I treat rap as a form of entertainment, as everyone else should. I don't watch Kill Bill and get mad cuz some chick killed a million people, so I won't get mad when I hear it in a song.
It's really sad that most real emcees can't get radio play. What can you do? Sex, violence, and drugs sell and record companies know this. During the gangsta era there were great groups like Digable Planets, The Pharcyde, Artifacts, Heiroglyphics, Bush Babees, etc that never got the respect they should have. They weren't gangster enough. Some of them are still around today on the underground, but they're forgotten to the masses.
and damn that was long as hell.
Rap is fine its the culture that sucks. Like former posters have stated already. The whole tough guy, ebonics talking, pants down to the ankles, public lewdness, and disrespect for the community {ie: inside malls/public gatherings} is what really sucks about the hip hop community. Not all hip hoppers, but most.
The hip hop CULTURE is a disease on mankind. For the 1 rapper who actually doesnt fit the stereotypes above, they're are 10 more that do.
i'm sorry i am laughing my ass off at this comment.
Wow I really opened a can of worms here...
Well I'm probably going to have to start a new thread to discuss a warhammer 40k MMO since this one is so lost in internet conflict...
Regardless.
Actually this would be a hilarious game to play, I don't know if I'd pay for it though. Even if it was awesome I don't think gangster rap fans or music game (guitar hero) players and MMO players are one and the same demographic though.
I'm imagining all the avatars with Vanilla Ice ripoff names and appearances, and I don't know whether to laugh or to cry.
Sorry, but I'd rather put out a cigarette on my eyeball than play a "rap" game.
"It is in your nature to do one thing correctly; Before me, you rightfully tremble. But, fear is not what you owe me. You owe me awe." ~Francis Dolarhyde
Sorry about that bro! Speaking of the Wu I came across this on digg. Nothing amazing, but pretty funny imo.
http://vimeo.com/5452385