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Worried public changes Obama deficit message
deviliscious
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"Some economists warn that this recession is so deep, it may take much longer than in the past for a rebound even after some economic growth resumes.
Job losses have now wiped out all the job gains since the last recession in 2001, the first time that has happened since the 1930s."
I honestly do not see how people can act like we are just going to "come out of it" . We have many things working against us , not for us that were major factors back in the 30's. We import too much, and until that changes and we start making most everything we use again we will not be coming out of this one. All they are doing by artificially propping us up again is going to make the landing worse than imaginable. We have to start producing, yesterday to prevent that from happening, the road we are on right now is not going to be good for anyone in this country. If we do not reverse the syphon NOW, to stop the flow of money leaving this nation, guarantee American labor and products only for government contracts, and save our industry and businesses, there is going to be nothing "American owned" to save.
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You're just not hopeing hard enough.
Ahem. Change.
That is all.
It's even worse than you think. Not only do we not make many things anymore, we have illegal immigrants who do most of the work for us in the things we still do produce. And while we can all sit back and whine about illegal immigration, until these companies stop hiring them as cheap labor, it's not going to change and they will keep coming here.
Quick story - 4 years ago I worked for a company called Permasteelisa, doing CAD. I was making $28 /hour and doing pretty well. I showed up early every day, finished all of my allotted work on time. Then one day, they fired ALL of us CAD people and brought in people from the freaking PHILIPPINES. And you know how much they started paying them at? $6.25 an hour. It's things like this that are killing this country imo.
One more thing - my grandpa worked at a college in Illinois (Harper College) and he taught the metal shop class. Well, they had to let him go because they didn't have one single person register for the class. Not one. People don't want to learn to make anything anymore, like we used to. It's kind of scary.
Sorry to fill your post with my personal experiences Devil, but I agree with you. As long as we keep importing everything, we are screwed. ESPECIALLY from places like China.
See, the trick lies within the fineprint.
He did not promise change in the government, just overall change.
In this case, changing the people from intelligent, independant people to slave-like, dependant people.
Read a story about a man in southern California who worked 2 jobs along with his wife, and the relatives he had living off of welfare were better off than them.
It's even worse than you think. Not only do we not make many things anymore, we have illegal immigrants who do most of the work for us in the things we still do produce. And while we can all sit back and whine about illegal immigration, until these companies stop hiring them as cheap labor, it's not going to change and they will keep coming here.
Quick story - 4 years ago I worked for a company called Permasteelisa, doing CAD. I was making $28 /hour and doing pretty well. I showed up early every day, finished all of my allotted work on time. Then one day, they fired ALL of us CAD people and brought in people from the freaking PHILIPPINES. And you know how much they started paying them at? $6.25 an hour. It's things like this that are killing this country imo.
One more thing - my grandpa worked at a college in Illinois (Harper College) and he taught the metal shop class. Well, they had to let him go because they didn't have one single person register for the class. Not one. People don't want to learn to make anything anymore, like we used to. It's kind of scary.
Sorry to fill your post with my personal experiences Devil, but I agree with you. As long as we keep importing everything, we are screwed. ESPECIALLY from places like China.
No I 100% completely agree. The same thing happened to my Dad at TI. He is a computer technical electrical engineer. Just as soon as they laid off thousands here, they then apply for hundreds of work visas. I have Known this for years, been fighting to stop it, calling my congressmen, writing them letters. Giving them the tools and information they need to stop this, because there are REAL solutions being offered, but our government is too bought off to care. I personally have been working on this for the last 5 years actively trying to make them understand what needs to be done.
It is not worse than I thought, this is what I kept telling people last year, but people blew me off as a tin foil wearing hat nut job when I said our economy was actually going off the abyss. The reason this has been allowed to happen is that people don;t get involved. They are more concerned about what they are doing on the weekend rather than discuss the truly important things. Our lack of getting involved in what our government is doing is what has led us to this. Now they just think they can do whatever they want and we will not care. The sad thing is, for the most part they are correct. It takes something serious, your family losing their job, your family losing their home, your family unable to buy food for people to take it seriously. ( and by the use of You I do not mean you personally, but anyone who is reading this and thinking otherwise.) By then, they are usually so out of the loop they have no clue what is really going on here.
People want to think everything is going to be okay, that we can survive on hope , but that isn;t the reality of the situation. In the very near future all of these unemployed will lose their benefits, when they do, they will lose their homes, their families will be homeless, and they will starve unless everyone working feeds them.
On top of that going on as we are , we are going to have many more lose their jobs, and further drain unemployment. The removal of write offs in tax credits on charties will result in our goodwill and food pantrys running empty, so yes the hungry here in the US will rise. The homeless will rise, and when you have people desparate to feed their families, they will do ANYTHING to prevent that from happening, so crime rate will rise. At the same time this is happening the fallout from our deficit and loss in the value of dollar will hit us resulting in higher prices for goods, so those that were barely making it through this will fold as well, and those that had savings will be forced to spend them in order to make ends meet.
With the higher costs of energy , and taxes on those remaining that are providing jobs , more people will be laid off, yes further jobs loss, coupled with even higher prices.
Instead of implementing what we need to save our asses, we are making it much worse. Unless these things are stopped, this is going to be a very rude awakening for our citizens, It will be horrible, we will need a hell of alot more than hope to get us through this. I hope that someone, anyone makes this very clear to our leaders so we can get on the right path as soon as possible, because the hourglass has been turned, it is draining fast for all these families on unemployment right now, when that runs out, things will become worse than we could have possibly imagined in this country.
I don't think you're nuts. I think you're right on the money. We need more people to realize this, and also you are 1000% right about our government being too bought off to care about it. In each and every way possible.
Sadly people don't realize this, or think we are whack jobs, until something similar happens to them or someone close to them. What you said about hungry people doing anything to feed their families is already starting to happen here - when you hear stories of people robbing places for money and food, but most news companies like CNN and Fox just say they are "using the bad economy as an excuse." I don't buy that. I'm sure some do, but not all of them.
And I'm sorry about what happened to your dad, I can so relate to that nonsense. And I was wrong to say "It's even worse than you think" because you are more on track with this than I am. Hopefully more people will wake up before this kind of thing hits them, too.
Hey, I hoped as hard as I could the other night and I ended up bursting a blood vessel in my neck. At least I've got that free healthcare coming soon.
Hey, I hoped as hard as I could the other night and I ended up bursting a blood vessel in my neck. At least I've got that free healthcare coming soon.
I have been hoping for a pretty dam long time and all I got was Bush and Obama. lmao!!
Hey, I hoped as hard as I could the other night and I ended up bursting a blood vessel in my neck. At least I've got that free healthcare coming soon.
I have been hoping for a pretty dam long time and all I got was Bush and Obama. lmao!!
Hope Harder, HARDER DAMN YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I don't think you're nuts. I think you're right on the money. We need more people to realize this, and also you are 1000% right about our government being too bought off to care about it. In each and every way possible.
Sadly people don't realize this, or think we are whack jobs, until something similar happens to them or someone close to them. What you said about hungry people doing anything to feed their families is already starting to happen here - when you hear stories of people robbing places for money and food, but most news companies like CNN and Fox just say they are "using the bad economy as an excuse." I don't buy that. I'm sure some do, but not all of them.
And I'm sorry about what happened to your dad, I can so relate to that nonsense. And I was wrong to say "It's even worse than you think" because you are more on track with this than I am. Hopefully more people will wake up before this kind of thing hits them, too.
I am doing everything possible to make sure my Dad, and my family makes it okay, but Iam only one person, we need more.
People, we honestly need you to start stepping up to the plate and do whatever is equired in your communtiies. If you want your community to survie this, it truly is going to take everyone in that communtiy to make it happen. I encourage you to start your own businesses, whatever they may be, just inculde American labor, and learn to do for yourselves again, because it really is going to take that. It is going to take our abilities, our own resources to pull us out of this. America needs to become a nation of doers again, not sit by and wait for applications to go through to make this happen.
We are all we have, we are all that each other has, to pull ourselves out of this and make the US strong again, and it will take every last one of us to make this happen.
We cannot rely on our government, no, we have to make this happen ourselves. We have to find our own solutions and implement them and then allow the government to follow suit later when they realize we are the heart and soul of this country. We need to do first, let them follow suit later, because our government is so far behind what is going on that it will take yers for them to catch up.
The people do truly have the power, we just have to realize that and take control over our own lives. We must find the solutions and implement them on community levels and allow them to gain their own strength. Unless we stop argueing about the lame republicrats and fix things ourselves, we will never be able to solve these problems.
This isn't the same situation as in 1930, so the results and solution aren't going to be the same. The problem in 1930 was a capital problem, the problem today is a credit one. In all honesty the only thing government can do that won't make the problem worse is get out of the way for businesses. If they do $1 trillion stimulus' it would only exasperate the problem since it will all come from credit and lowering the value of the dollar. Here are the things I think would turn the economy around in a year the fed can do:
The funny thing is none of those things have been taken seriously by congress, yet they would be more effective then their poorly aimed stimulus bill that has merely made the problem worse.
Don't worry, Cap and Trade will fix everything.
I can hardly find anything "made in USA" anymore, even groceries in the stores are often from foreign countries. Honestly I try very hard to pay an extra dollar to buy American, but there's just no such things these days. I miss the good 'ol days of US Robotics making computer components. I miss "made in USA" t-shirts that foreigners come here to buy. Funny story I have is a relative came to visit and before leaving, she looked for something to buy to take back home. But there's just nothing made in USA anymore to buy, everything is made in China. It kinda hit me then how ridiculous things have become.
With the dollar value dropping, more and more american jobs shipped overseas, more and more things made from foreign countries, I honestly don't know how anybody can say things are going well for us right now. American car companies can't compete (pre or post bailout), American-made items can't compete because foreign items are cheaper, American labors can't compete because immigrants illegal or not work for cheaper.
Microsoft is a home grown tech company, but they are constantly getting slapped with lawsuits, stationed in a country with one of the highest corporate tax rates. It would be a sad day to see MS move out.
We have trillions of cubic feet of natural gas under out nation, but we are STILL importing natural gas from foreign countries. Instead of building plants to drill for natural gas here, and start utilizing natural gas for cars, the country took the cheap route of importing cheap oil.
With things not made in USA, it's hard for people to get jobs. Without jobs, things will never be right. I don't care if the wallstreet is doing well, the mainstreet isn't doing well. I live in California and there are waaaaaay too many shops closing this year. So many empty buildings, places that used to be full of businesses are empty now. Worse of all, this state is out of money, so they raised the sales tax, income tax, vehicle license tax, etc.. yet again. When will politicians understand raising taxes will get people & businesses move out of your state? People end up not being able to get a job because there is none.
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Don't forget we are the bread basket of the world. The great plains provides a massive amount of crop and livestock to the world, usually sold to other nations. Rescently though the environmentalists have been gettings in the way of farming. Like the entirety of the San Juaquin Valley has been turned into the desert because they no longer have a water source. The environmentalists are prohibiting them from using the water as it endangers a guppy that makes residence there and it was rescently put onto a watchlist for endangered species.
Interesting... did you guys notice who HASN'T posted in this thread? Do you know why?
I worked for Verizon fios tech support a couple years, and the ENTIRE DSL tech support side was exported to India. One of my good friends was laid off.....luckily for her they offered her a job moved over into FIOS....Where I met her...But before I left,....the rumor started to be heard...."it's just a matter of time until our jobs are in india" some supervisors said...
And some don't. The end. Opinions ftw.
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And some don't. The end. Opinions ftw.
wow, just ignore the reality of the situation completely why don't ya?
Have you looked at the situation out there?
I should think you of all people would not be that drunk on the coolaid.
There is NO SIGN AT ALL that things are going to even level out right now.... this is NOT opinion.
And some don't. The end. Opinions ftw.
wow, just ignore the reality of the situation completely why don't ya?
Have you looked at the situation out there?
I should think you of all people would not be that drunk on the coolaid.
There is NO SIGN AT ALL that things are going to even level out right now.... this is NOT opinion.
The DOW has been steadily increasing. Around my area, the big factories are hiring again. My business has been up the past month.
So I do see signs. I can in no way attribute those to what Obama is doing, but I get sick of the Apocalypse talk. I honestly believe part of problem was the panic set in by the media and general public.
Telling the public to stop spending because of the recession is just a terrible idea.
I'm burnt out on it. As soon as everyone else realizes a lot of this is just consumer fear, and that it's alright to spend money, we'll be a lot better off.
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Excessive credit card spending and buying houses you can't afford are all part of the problems we have today. Personally I'm not spending any more or less right now, I spend what I want to buy. But many people agree, times like these actually can be good because folks actually watch what they spend for a change, and adjust the way they live.
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I can hardly find anything "made in USA" anymore, even groceries in the stores are often from foreign countries. Honestly I try very hard to pay an extra dollar to buy American, but there's just no such things these days. I miss the good 'ol days of US Robotics making computer components. I miss "made in USA" t-shirts that foreigners come here to buy. Funny story I have is a relative came to visit and before leaving, she looked for something to buy to take back home. But there's just nothing made in USA anymore to buy, everything is made in China. It kinda hit me then how ridiculous things have become.
With the dollar value dropping, more and more american jobs shipped overseas, more and more things made from foreign countries, I honestly don't know how anybody can say things are going well for us right now. American car companies can't compete (pre or post bailout), American-made items can't compete because foreign items are cheaper, American labors can't compete because immigrants illegal or not work for cheaper.
Microsoft is a home grown tech company, but they are constantly getting slapped with lawsuits, stationed in a country with one of the highest corporate tax rates. It would be a sad day to see MS move out.
We have trillions of cubic feet of natural gas under out nation, but we are STILL importing natural gas from foreign countries. Instead of building plants to drill for natural gas here, and start utilizing natural gas for cars, the country took the cheap route of importing cheap oil.
With things not made in USA, it's hard for people to get jobs. Without jobs, things will never be right. I don't care if the wallstreet is doing well, the mainstreet isn't doing well. I live in California and there are waaaaaay too many shops closing this year. So many empty buildings, places that used to be full of businesses are empty now. Worse of all, this state is out of money, so they raised the sales tax, income tax, vehicle license tax, etc.. yet again. When will politicians understand raising taxes will get people & businesses move out of your state? People end up not being able to get a job because there is none.
Obama would rather put the country in debt than stop big business from giving away jobs to India and China. I guess he has alot of IOUs from his "record breaking" campaign contributions.
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