ok there are still a lot ???? about the pvp some say its world pvp other say its instanced boss fight with pvp a la wintergrasp etc i guess we ll see but i ll wait for an xfire video or a youtube and see a bunch of pvpve video first to know exacly what it is because honestly in some post its worded VERY COOL and some other post i wouldnt give the game to my worst enemy ps:any know a good site to see the world pvp in this game i tried xfire but could only see beta tester video(low lvl)
It's sort of both and sort of neither. There are quests in the abyss as well as casltes that people can fight over. That is open pvp. There are gateways that open up that allow people from the other side to invade. However, the longer they stay and the more people they kill gets them a debuff. there are areas that don't have any rifts.
So you are not going to be a lvl 50 player pk'ing a lvl 1 player. there are some instanced dungeons though I'm unclear as to whether they have bosses or not.
In any case, the abyss is really the area with more open pvp.
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My problem is I am an old fart who doesn't like PvP any more. I hope Aion has enough for me because I am no longer interested in killing other people for hours on end...I can't help it, I just think it's pointless.
I enjoyed the article. Going into it you knew he would have a favorable opinion on WoW, which he didn't try to hide but was still able to look at the two games in comparison without wearing rose-colored glasses.
I wish I had been into MMO's back when EQ was out, I throughly enjoyed all the World Bosses that were available in WoW. To be honest, they were by far my favorite part of Vanilla WoW, this is one of the biggest reasons why I'm looking forward Aion.
I like the fact that there is a much more stern death penalty. With everyone having the ability to rez in Aion via using crystals you need a strong deterent to the "pull everything and run" method of tearing through an instance. I for one think it's quite nice where it is at, I am not sure if it is a compounding debuff but a mulitplier would make staying alive all the more important.
All in all, a very good read which highlights some key features/issues of Aion v. WoW. Not all, but quite a few major make or break issues for a lot of gamers.
My problem is I am an old fart who doesn't like PvP any more. I hope Aion has enough for me because I am no longer interested in killing other people for hours on end...I can't help it, I just think it's pointless.
Well one thing I like about Aion is to me the pvp is not pointless. You can kill people to get abyss points which you can use to get new skills or gear. But to each his own. I'm sure you can still enjoy a PVE playthrough of Aion, my only concern for you is later on you maybe forced into areas later on where you maybe exposed to pvp.
mm i didnt really like aion but like you mentionned we dont have acces to high level yet
what made me really drool was when you gave the hogger exemple
i imagined both side fighting while trying to down hogger
i ll have to read more but if its like you mentionned men i will probaably buy the game just for that feature
it musthave been insane like you posted
in anarchy online trying to world pvp while trying to down boss all the while thinking of death penalty
i believe when wow got out remooving death penalty and instancing boss was a good moove
mmo was new it wasnt as evolved as today
but i believe today death penalty and putting boss in wolrd is a very good feature in aion
Well, you are pretty much like me. I did not consider this game to be very exciting until I read about the PvPvE thing. I also understand that it will be a doubled edged sword, some like it and some hate it.
I would not have pre-ordered this game, if I thought that the end-game would be similar to the first 25 levels. Or anything like in WoW or WAR. If it ends up being a crap game regardless of the promise, I just unsubscribe.
mm what i dont get is why wow doesnt use their world pv set and organise tournament or stuff they got lot of world pvp from lvl 60 all the way to 80
it wouldnt be hard to add incentive ,most player forgot about those but if you rerolled death knight
you get to a world pvp area from the start the church where naxx used to be it would be fairly easy to mod those area for insane world pvp action
player just need incentive i remember that area was a war zone before bc came out
they could add content in those world pvp area if you lock your lvl to say lvl 60 in those area
lol even wow as world pvp i just had forgotten it ,i guess wow is a big world
I can promise you that if Aion takes away to many players. Wow will put it in. Just like what happend when War released.
My problem is I am an old fart who doesn't like PvP any more. I hope Aion has enough for me because I am no longer interested in killing other people for hours on end...I can't help it, I just think it's pointless.
My problem is I am an old fart who doesn't like PvP any more. I hope Aion has enough for me because I am no longer interested in killing other people for hours on end...I can't help it, I just think it's pointless.
My problem is I am an old fart who doesn't like PvE any more. I hope Aion has enough for me because I am no longer interested in killing NPC's for hours on end...I can't help it, I just think it's pointless.
I just switched it around for you, it actually sounds better this way... lol
whats this guys credentials for having been a top wow pvper? did he earn the rank of high warlord/marshall, cause those of us that did wouldnt even consider him worthy of being among us if he didnt.
It was well written but I felt it was a bit biased. I mean some of the points didn't even make a whole lot of sense to me. At the risk of sounding all Aion fanboi let me break down each of his points as I see it.
1) Community: only time will tell with this one. My mama once said, "An MMO community is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna get"
2) Outdoor Bosses: I can see his point with this one to an extent. I don't think mob camping is a big aspect of Aion, although there are rare spawn mobs. You see people time and again complaining that games are the same old thing. I guess you also see people complaining when games AREN'T the same old thing. It's a double edged sword, eh?
3) PvP with real objectives: He was spot on with this one. I thought that this article was "don't play aion" but such a big selling feature such as dreadgions is a huge part of what Aion is. Did you know there's "infiltration quests" where you can jump over to the other factions side and wreak havoc? Did you know there are randomly spawning rifts for PvE and PvP goodness content!?!
4) Death Penalty: I guess this guy has never been corpse camped in WoW. There's nothing wrong with making death sting a little bit. IMO it makes us better as players.
5) Arena: Isn't the Abyss one big arena/bg? You earn titles, abyss points for gear etc etc? I don't think I'll miss dudes running around circle strafing and "ZOMG duel me and I'll PWN U" Or people selling arena points, or people spamming chat looking for an arena team (especially the snobby ones that say "if your rating isn't ____ don't bother sending a /tell, you're beneath me") Everyone has a different idea of what good PvP is. It's all a matter of opinion and perspective I guess.
6) Popularity: Every game has to start somewhere. WoW didn't come out of the gate red hot. Godd marketing, solid gameplay and the fact you can run the game on a toaster oven helped it's steady climb to the top. And I hate to burst this guy's bubble about WoW and mountain dew but:
Aion hasn't even released worldwide and Coke is already on board.
7) Polish: Anyone who knows MMO's understands this comes with time. How the heck can anyone say Aion doesn't have polish? It runs smooth, great framerates on modest hardware on high settings and the character animations are tight. I played the chinese trial as well as the pre order beta weekends and I can honestly say Aion runs better than some games that have been out for a year. I've seen very little that looks rough around the edges with this game. If it shines this bright now, what's it going to look like with a year under its belt? Or even several years like WoW has?
Then, on top of all this he closes his post with:
"Originally in this article I said I would try to compare some of the positives and negatives of each game, and after reviewing what I've written I seem to have written mostly just positives in favor of Aion. I am giving my best attempt at not being too biased, obviously I will favor Aion to some extent since I will be quitting WoW for it though."
Why on earth would you post a thread titled " Aion: Why you shouldn't play" on a WoW fanboi site and then end it with a comment like that? A little contradicting, no? I dunno, as well written as it is, it still had me scratching my head at the end.
Well, replying to your last point. I have not personally followed WoW PvP that closely, but I think he is a very well-known factor. People respect what he says even if they do not agree with it. That is why you do not see the typical lynching that would follow after such comments.
So you could say informed opinion vs. opinion.
I do not think he reveals anything amazing, but just gives perspective to things to a like minded group of people - PvPers.
"The person who experiences greatness must have a feeling for the myth he is in."
The only important thing that everyone needs to know before reading this is that the author is obviously biased since hes been playing wow for so long. And so are most wow players, and any person that plays any mmo for more than 3 years, they will say their game is the best mmo out there.
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Why on earth would you post a thread titled " Aion: Why you shouldn't play" on a WoW fanboi site and then end it with a comment like that? A little contradicting, no? I dunno, as well written as it is, it still had me scratching my head at the end.
That was the whole point of the article, to point out the differences between the two and if you like A. you should play it if you like B. you shouldn't.
I don't know about this article. It's a good read but, he just blown the death penalty out of porportion. I don't agree that a person should avoid a game if it has a death penality, but not only that the guy says you lose around 5% of your exp which is untrue. That percentage is way off and recovering is not high at all. He stopped at level 25 and a lot of the things he should have avoided, because what he don't know about he's still going by based on other sources. One of the reasons I don't like the article is because hes talking about things he havent gotten far to experience. But overall, yeah this is a good read and he's right. Take it as a grain of salt.
whats this guys credentials for having been a top wow pvper? did he earn the rank of high warlord/marshall, cause those of us that did wouldnt even consider him worthy of being among us if he didnt.
I was thinking the same..what makes him the top pvpr...
If you watch The Karate Kid backwards it's about this karate champ that just kinda slowly becomes a pussy and ends up moving back to Jersey
Until I read this blog- I didn't consider giving Aion a whole hearted try. A lot of the experiences he has had in game show Aion to be much much more than a WoW clone that so many are sputtering about. Although I'm kinda bummed I have to spend the next few hours reading up on a game I already discounted ^ ^
Good read, I would also recommend it to anyone.
maybe you should try it for yourself before being swayed by others opinions.
whats this guys credentials for having been a top wow pvper? did he earn the rank of high warlord/marshall, cause those of us that did wouldnt even consider him worthy of being among us if he didnt.
Grand Marshall / high warlord was more a matter of being able to team play (or bot) your way through the last couple of weeks. Arena ranking is more a matter of twitch reaction time. WoW Arena remains the best indicator of small team playing skill. Honestly, his obserations sound pretty much on the money.
That being said, there is a huge difference between RvR and Arena styles of game play. You can allow a much wider array of abilities in a RvR focused game. RvR pvp is Aion's strong point. Aion makes RvR very meaningful. The addition of the third faction allows Aion a measure of population control.
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It's sort of both and sort of neither. There are quests in the abyss as well as casltes that people can fight over. That is open pvp. There are gateways that open up that allow people from the other side to invade. However, the longer they stay and the more people they kill gets them a debuff. there are areas that don't have any rifts.
So you are not going to be a lvl 50 player pk'ing a lvl 1 player. there are some instanced dungeons though I'm unclear as to whether they have bosses or not.
In any case, the abyss is really the area with more open pvp.
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In the Main Player Faction Areas (Non -Abyss), PvP is limited too Rifts, which have levels caps, to prevent high level grieving low levels.
Most of the PvP happen in the Open RvR Areas known collectively as the Abyss.
There is one Instanced Pseudo-BG, because you can't join it when you want to, you just have be around with the rift to opens to it.
Basically this pseudo-BG has both sides trying to get to boss in that is in the Middle.
At least that is the way it sounds based off what I read.
good read, still to linear of a game for me in my current mmo mentality.
and for the record: Lol @ WoW pvp.
My problem is I am an old fart who doesn't like PvP any more. I hope Aion has enough for me because I am no longer interested in killing other people for hours on end...I can't help it, I just think it's pointless.
I enjoyed the article. Going into it you knew he would have a favorable opinion on WoW, which he didn't try to hide but was still able to look at the two games in comparison without wearing rose-colored glasses.
I wish I had been into MMO's back when EQ was out, I throughly enjoyed all the World Bosses that were available in WoW. To be honest, they were by far my favorite part of Vanilla WoW, this is one of the biggest reasons why I'm looking forward Aion.
I like the fact that there is a much more stern death penalty. With everyone having the ability to rez in Aion via using crystals you need a strong deterent to the "pull everything and run" method of tearing through an instance. I for one think it's quite nice where it is at, I am not sure if it is a compounding debuff but a mulitplier would make staying alive all the more important.
All in all, a very good read which highlights some key features/issues of Aion v. WoW. Not all, but quite a few major make or break issues for a lot of gamers.
Well one thing I like about Aion is to me the pvp is not pointless. You can kill people to get abyss points which you can use to get new skills or gear. But to each his own. I'm sure you can still enjoy a PVE playthrough of Aion, my only concern for you is later on you maybe forced into areas later on where you maybe exposed to pvp.
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mm i didnt really like aion but like you mentionned we dont have acces to high level yet
what made me really drool was when you gave the hogger exemple
i imagined both side fighting while trying to down hogger
i ll have to read more but if its like you mentionned men i will probaably buy the game just for that feature
it musthave been insane like you posted
in anarchy online trying to world pvp while trying to down boss all the while thinking of death penalty
i believe when wow got out remooving death penalty and instancing boss was a good moove
mmo was new it wasnt as evolved as today
but i believe today death penalty and putting boss in wolrd is a very good feature in aion
Well, you are pretty much like me. I did not consider this game to be very exciting until I read about the PvPvE thing. I also understand that it will be a doubled edged sword, some like it and some hate it.
I would not have pre-ordered this game, if I thought that the end-game would be similar to the first 25 levels. Or anything like in WoW or WAR. If it ends up being a crap game regardless of the promise, I just unsubscribe.
mm what i dont get is why wow doesnt use their world pv set and organise tournament or stuff they got lot of world pvp from lvl 60 all the way to 80
it wouldnt be hard to add incentive ,most player forgot about those but if you rerolled death knight
you get to a world pvp area from the start the church where naxx used to be it would be fairly easy to mod those area for insane world pvp action
player just need incentive i remember that area was a war zone before bc came out
they could add content in those world pvp area if you lock your lvl to say lvl 60 in those area
lol even wow as world pvp i just had forgotten it ,i guess wow is a big world
I can promise you that if Aion takes away to many players. Wow will put it in. Just like what happend when War released.
As opposed to killing NPCs for hours on end?
Thanks for the link, it was a good review.
My problem is I am an old fart who doesn't like PvE any more. I hope Aion has enough for me because I am no longer interested in killing NPC's for hours on end...I can't help it, I just think it's pointless.
I just switched it around for you, it actually sounds better this way... lol
So this guy played to level 25 and could sum up the game and all its aspects and also the end game. I doubt it.
Agreed, this is a good explanation of the differences between WoW and Aion. I would recomend to folks to actually read the quote.
whats this guys credentials for having been a top wow pvper? did he earn the rank of high warlord/marshall, cause those of us that did wouldnt even consider him worthy of being among us if he didnt.
real Death Penalty = Good community. Believe it or not, it's true.
Good review, one step closer to pre-order.
It was well written but I felt it was a bit biased. I mean some of the points didn't even make a whole lot of sense to me. At the risk of sounding all Aion fanboi let me break down each of his points as I see it.
1) Community: only time will tell with this one. My mama once said, "An MMO community is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna get"
2) Outdoor Bosses: I can see his point with this one to an extent. I don't think mob camping is a big aspect of Aion, although there are rare spawn mobs. You see people time and again complaining that games are the same old thing. I guess you also see people complaining when games AREN'T the same old thing. It's a double edged sword, eh?
3) PvP with real objectives: He was spot on with this one. I thought that this article was "don't play aion" but such a big selling feature such as dreadgions is a huge part of what Aion is. Did you know there's "infiltration quests" where you can jump over to the other factions side and wreak havoc? Did you know there are randomly spawning rifts for PvE and PvP goodness content!?!
4) Death Penalty: I guess this guy has never been corpse camped in WoW. There's nothing wrong with making death sting a little bit. IMO it makes us better as players.
5) Arena: Isn't the Abyss one big arena/bg? You earn titles, abyss points for gear etc etc? I don't think I'll miss dudes running around circle strafing and "ZOMG duel me and I'll PWN U" Or people selling arena points, or people spamming chat looking for an arena team (especially the snobby ones that say "if your rating isn't ____ don't bother sending a /tell, you're beneath me") Everyone has a different idea of what good PvP is. It's all a matter of opinion and perspective I guess.
6) Popularity: Every game has to start somewhere. WoW didn't come out of the gate red hot. Godd marketing, solid gameplay and the fact you can run the game on a toaster oven helped it's steady climb to the top. And I hate to burst this guy's bubble about WoW and mountain dew but:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2IfXQySZ5w <--- check this
Aion hasn't even released worldwide and Coke is already on board.
7) Polish: Anyone who knows MMO's understands this comes with time. How the heck can anyone say Aion doesn't have polish? It runs smooth, great framerates on modest hardware on high settings and the character animations are tight. I played the chinese trial as well as the pre order beta weekends and I can honestly say Aion runs better than some games that have been out for a year. I've seen very little that looks rough around the edges with this game. If it shines this bright now, what's it going to look like with a year under its belt? Or even several years like WoW has?
Then, on top of all this he closes his post with:
"Originally in this article I said I would try to compare some of the positives and negatives of each game, and after reviewing what I've written I seem to have written mostly just positives in favor of Aion. I am giving my best attempt at not being too biased, obviously I will favor Aion to some extent since I will be quitting WoW for it though."
Why on earth would you post a thread titled " Aion: Why you shouldn't play" on a WoW fanboi site and then end it with a comment like that? A little contradicting, no? I dunno, as well written as it is, it still had me scratching my head at the end.
Well, replying to your last point. I have not personally followed WoW PvP that closely, but I think he is a very well-known factor. People respect what he says even if they do not agree with it. That is why you do not see the typical lynching that would follow after such comments.
So you could say informed opinion vs. opinion.
I do not think he reveals anything amazing, but just gives perspective to things to a like minded group of people - PvPers.
"The person who experiences greatness must have a feeling for the myth he is in."
Interesting read.
The only important thing that everyone needs to know before reading this is that the author is obviously biased since hes been playing wow for so long. And so are most wow players, and any person that plays any mmo for more than 3 years, they will say their game is the best mmo out there.
If you watch The Karate Kid backwards it's about this karate champ that just kinda slowly becomes a pussy and ends up moving back to Jersey
That was the whole point of the article, to point out the differences between the two and if you like A. you should play it if you like B. you shouldn't.
I don't know about this article. It's a good read but, he just blown the death penalty out of porportion. I don't agree that a person should avoid a game if it has a death penality, but not only that the guy says you lose around 5% of your exp which is untrue. That percentage is way off and recovering is not high at all. He stopped at level 25 and a lot of the things he should have avoided, because what he don't know about he's still going by based on other sources. One of the reasons I don't like the article is because hes talking about things he havent gotten far to experience. But overall, yeah this is a good read and he's right. Take it as a grain of salt.
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While he might not be experienced, he is accurate in his theorycrafting.
Betoni, that's all I'll say, probably the best quest ever, only in Aion
I was thinking the same..what makes him the top pvpr...
If you watch The Karate Kid backwards it's about this karate champ that just kinda slowly becomes a pussy and ends up moving back to Jersey
Top rated? why is that important?
maybe you should try it for yourself before being swayed by others opinions.
Aion does have an arena but its a free for all against players of the same race.
Grand Marshall / high warlord was more a matter of being able to team play (or bot) your way through the last couple of weeks. Arena ranking is more a matter of twitch reaction time. WoW Arena remains the best indicator of small team playing skill. Honestly, his obserations sound pretty much on the money.
That being said, there is a huge difference between RvR and Arena styles of game play. You can allow a much wider array of abilities in a RvR focused game. RvR pvp is Aion's strong point. Aion makes RvR very meaningful. The addition of the third faction allows Aion a measure of population control.