I really liked this article a lot. Jon highlighted a lot of games that I am also excited about as well.....games that are (mostly) looking to be very different to what we have been seeing for quite a while. I particularly like the emphasis on pvp that many of the upcoming mmos are having......and about time too! It will be interesting if these games do really well because then finally all the pvp haters with their "pvpers are only 10% of the market" and "pvp doesnt belong in the mmo genre" comments can finally eat their words and keep quiet......not that they will of course.
These are online games and yet for years we have been seeing games that are really just single player games in co-op mode where we can only effectively play against the computer. Player conflict has been added to these games but only as a side option......a kind of after thought, and as a result pvp has received a bad reputation because it generally never worked out very well. Yet now it seems that games companies are learning from their past mistakes and are designing their games with player conflict in mind from the beginning. It looks like a lot of mmos are heading towards being proper online worlds which players can perhaps change and influence through player conflict and interaction......which is the way it should be being online games and all that. I also didnt know there was a World of Darkness game being made by CCP. Happy thoughts.
Equally though there are some good story driven games coming out too that dont have their emphasis on player conflict. So......a large number of (hopefully) decent mmos focused on player conflict on their way to fill the void in the currently unbalanced pve focused market, and a smaller number of story focused mmos (there are already plenty of them) to keep the players happy who dont enjoy player conflict and competition. It seems to me like everyone has a reason to feel optimistic about the future of mmo gaming.
I think we have a problem here, some people aren't quite sure what the word potential and niche means....
Potential
1: existing in possibility : capable of development into actuality <potential benefits>
2: expressing possibility ; specifically : of, relating to, or constituting a verb phrase expressing possibility, liberty, or power by the use of an auxiliary with the infinitive of the verb (as in “it may rain”)
Niche
1 a: a recess in a wall especially for a statue b: something that resembles a niche
2 a: a place, employment, status, or activity for which a person or thing is best fitted <finally found her niche> b: a habitat supplying the factors necessary for the existence of an organism or species c: the ecological role of an organism in a community especially in regard to food consumption d: a specialized market
Taken from the Merriam-Webster Dictionary.
And the writer of this list didn't say... "My Top Ten MMORPG Games with Potential." He said "My Top Ten Games with Potential."
The operative words in that statement are, MY, and Games.
He could have wrote about single player console games, or even java based flash games played on his I-phone. And lastly this is the writers oppinion, not the oppinion of the site or meant to be the definative final answer on MMO games. Some of you are really reading WAY to much into this article.
When I first read this, I was like were is FFXIV? Then I thought about it. We don't know too much about the game to know if it is going to have potential or not. Only time will tell. So, I agrree with everything that the OP said. Great list.
1: existing in possibility : capable of development into actuality <potential benefits>
2: expressing possibility ; specifically : of, relating to, or constituting a verb phrase expressing possibility, liberty, or power by the use of an auxiliary with the infinitive of the verb (as in “it may rain”)
He does not define potential for: What? To be innovative in combat , to add new PVe experiences, to expand on it's current theme elements or content, to provide an immersive community, to add in new features of questing, crafting, or economy?
The phrase Potential is what a game could be, is still very vague.
As an example imagine this conversation:
Pete : Man Sue you have so much potential
Sue: What do you mean?
Pete; I mean you could be so much more
Sue: So much more HOW ?
Pete: Just that you have so many possibilities to reach your full potential
Even when making an analysis based on potential, if your intentions are to be clear and not just stir up debate and discussion, you still need to be specific on what potential is for the purpose of that analysis.
Still when it comes to potential : Potential 1: existing in possibility : capable of development into actuality <potential benefits> 2: expressing possibility ; specifically : of, relating to, or constituting a verb phrase expressing possibility, liberty, or power by the use of an auxiliary with the infinitive of the verb (as in “it may rain”)
He does not define potential for: What? To be innovative in combat , to add new PVe experiences, to expand on it's current theme elements or content, to provide an immersive community, to add in new features of questing, crafting, or economy? The phrase Potential is what a game could be, is still very vague. As an example imagine this conversation: Pete : Man Sue you have so much potential Sue: What do you mean? Pete; I mean you could be so much more Sue: So much more HOW ? Pete: Just that you have so many possibilities to reach your full potential Even when making an analysis based on potential, if your intentions are to be clear and not just stir up debate and discussion, you still need to be specific on what potential is for the purpose of that analysis.
Potential to be a good game. It wasn't an "official analysis," it was a list written to be fun and to get people talking about the idea of potential within the indusry, however you define it. I don't know why you're so stuck on this point, other than to simply nitpick. In each description, I discussed where I felt the particular game's potential was coming from. Seriously man, let it go. Either let go of the semantics and enjoy it for what it is, or don't and stop worrying about it.
This is a travesty of a list. To include Stargate and Eve but not Jumpgate is a pure strike out, IMO. Where's Champions Online, DC Universe Online, or even Earthrise?
That's 4 highly anticipated games that were excluded for the likes of Stargate (with some of the worst gameplay videos I've ever seen for an MMO) and an MMO that's been out for 6 years now. Swing and a miss.
I desagree with most of them. but i real question is why mortal online is not listen? This guy is a carebear or what? Maybe MO are a sell out company. Maybe its because MO was not at E3 so they are not snob enough for them. The communoty at mmorpg.com like mortal online so what the fuck? Comme on guys. Its like they want to try to back down mortal online. They dont want it to be a success, but they want eve to stay even if the game is arleady out. My biggest question is why eve online and not mortal online. EVE is already fucking out. So go on and put mortal online. This article was not suppose to be about history. While we at it, you should had put ultima online or arsheron call you moron. I use to like his article, but this time, he failed.
You use the word "carebear" as if it's a big insult, when in fact it means "person using this term is a pre-pubescent who uses PvP games to hide his real life shamefull ass kickings" and then call Jon a moron? Your post was laughable, but entertaining. I give you 1 star out of 10 for effort.
Jon, I think you're going to have to add a giant disclaimer of "THIS IS MY OWN PERSONAL LIST AND NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF ANYONE BUT ME" at the top, or the kids on the shortbus are never going to figure it out. Even then, they'll probably miss it.
This is a travesty of a list. To include Stargate and Eve but not Jumpgate is a pure strike out, IMO. Where's Champions Online, DC Universe Online, or even Earthrise? That's 4 highly anticipated games that were excluded for the likes of Stargate (with some of the worst gameplay videos I've ever seen for an MMO) and an MMO that's been out for 6 years now. Swing and a miss.
Did you read the article? If you had, you would understand why I chose the games that I did. you would also see that I specifically stated that there were going to be games that people disagreed with me on, including the ones you mention ion this rant. If you're going to trash me, trash me, that's cool but it's more effective if you can show that you've read the article you're trashing.
I desagree with most of them. but i real question is why mortal online is not listen? This guy is a carebear or what? Maybe MO are a sell out company. Maybe its because MO was not at E3 so they are not snob enough for them. The communoty at mmorpg.com like mortal online so what the fuck? Comme on guys. Its like they want to try to back down mortal online. They dont want it to be a success, but they want eve to stay even if the game is arleady out. My biggest question is why eve online and not mortal online. EVE is already fucking out. So go on and put mortal online. This article was not suppose to be about history. While we at it, you should had put ultima online or arsheron call you moron. I use to like his article, but this time, he failed.
You use the word "carebear" as if it's a big insult, when in fact it means "person using this term is a pre-pubescent who uses PvP games to hide his real life shamefull ass kickings" and then call Jon a moron? Your post was laughable, but entertaining. I give you 1 star out of 10 for effort.
Jon, I think you're going to have to add a giant disclaimer of "THIS IS MY OWN PERSONAL LIST AND NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF ANYONE BUT ME" at the top, or the kids on the shortbus are never going to figure it out. Even then, they'll probably miss it.
*shrug* It's in the text of the article. If people want to take something out of context without reading the text, that's their perogative. If I wasn't used to getting slammed mercilessly, I wouldn't still be doing this job Thanks for the support though Zorvan.
Overall I thought the article was pretty good in presenting the potential of some of the mmo's. Some ideas I agreed with some I didn't. I thought that Fallen Earth should be a little higher on the list and that the final three were basically a "give me". I really enjoyed reading about some of the the other more obscure games that have potential, according to the writer.
For me I think one of the mmo's that has the most potential is Force of Arms. I have been following the game for a while and really like the open ended aspect of the game play and creativitiy in the storyline that has been put into the game so far.
Potential to be a good game. It wasn't an "official analysis," it was a list written to be fun and to get people talking about the idea of potential within the indusry, however you define it. I don't know why you're so stuck on this point, other than to simply nitpick. In each description, I discussed where I felt the particular game's potential was coming from. Seriously man, let it go. Either let go of the semantics and enjoy it for what it is, or don't and stop worrying about it.
Right because you're line Remember, potential isn't a measure of what a game is, it's a measure of what a game could be
clarified that your measuring stick was potential to be a good game. Sorry, but if you're going to be listed as a managing editor for a site that advertises, reports, makes money from, and critiques games that are competing for my dollar the I expect you not to write like some amateur on a blog. Is that too much to ask?
You can still write fun articles and be clear in your presentation of them.
When I first read this, I was like were is FFXIV? Then I thought about it. We don't know too much about the game to know if it is going to have potential or not. Only time will tell. So, I agrree with everything that the OP said. Great list.
We know FF XIV has more potential than a game which is dying in utero (SGW).
I wanted Stargate to be great, but face it - it's dead. Zero potential.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
The problems just keep mounting up and i wanted to try Land of the dead cause the trailer looked good but I can't be bothered to level a character in the easct same process I've done in a hundred other mmorpgs before.
Hmm, really? Which games have you leveled exclusively in PvP from L1?
For many of us, that is Warhammer's greatest feature. Last year, I hit the 50-character limit on my WoW account. Now, though, I can't stand to level alts by repeating the same stinking quests I have done dozens of times before.
PvP-leveling is aces, man. Period. That is also a major reason I am not exicited about Aion. Never again will I play an MMO where I have to earn the privelege of PvPing. Never again.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Potential to be a good game. It wasn't an "official analysis," it was a list written to be fun and to get people talking about the idea of potential within the indusry, however you define it. I don't know why you're so stuck on this point, other than to simply nitpick. In each description, I discussed where I felt the particular game's potential was coming from. Seriously man, let it go. Either let go of the semantics and enjoy it for what it is, or don't and stop worrying about it.
Right because you're line Remember, potential isn't a measure of what a game is, it's a measure of what a game could be
clarified that your measuring stick was potential to be a good game. Sorry, but if you're going to be listed as a managing editor for a site that advertises, reports, makes money from, and critiques games that are competing for my dollar the I expect you not to write like some amateur on a blog. Is that too much to ask?
You can still write fun articles and be clear in your presentation of them.
Look man, you don't like my editorial style, that's entirely your call. There are lots of writers out there that I don't enjoy. You're just the only person that has a problem with this and can't seem to let it go. I'm going to go back to my original advice :Either accept it for what it is, or move on. Clearly this article wasn't for you.
When I first read this, I was like were is FFXIV? Then I thought about it. We don't know too much about the game to know if it is going to have potential or not. Only time will tell. So, I agrree with everything that the OP said. Great list.
We know FF XIV has more potential than a game which is dying in utero (SGW).
I wanted Stargate to be great, but face it - it's dead. Zero potential.
I doubt it.
MGM seem fairly intent on having an mmo in the market. My bet is that the game will get bought and finished by someone else.
When I first read this, I was like were is FFXIV? Then I thought about it. We don't know too much about the game to know if it is going to have potential or not. Only time will tell. So, I agrree with everything that the OP said. Great list.
We know FF XIV has more potential than a game which is dying in utero (SGW).
I wanted Stargate to be great, but face it - it's dead. Zero potential.
I doubt it.
MGM seem fairly intent on having an mmo in the market. My bet is that the game will get bought and finished by someone else.
The ONLY (and I do mean O N L Y [With big flamingletters an inch from your eyeball]) way SGW will be completed is if another company with signifigant finantial backing picks it up and starts everything from scratch on a very nice engine such as the Hero engine, or something similarly advanced.
Any company that picks this up will do an evaluationa and scrap the whole thing lock stock and barrel. and start anew.
And yes I am in the beta since day 1 of closed, so I have a bit of knowledge to back it up. If the game was still being actively developed I would hold my tounge but as it stands now it needs a new developer....and nuts, bolts, screws, planks, cement, Kitchen sink.
I desagree with most of them. but i real question is why mortal online is not listen? This guy is a carebear or what? Maybe MO are a sell out company. Maybe its because MO was not at E3 so they are not snob enough for them. The communoty at mmorpg.com like mortal online so what the fuck? Comme on guys. Its like they want to try to back down mortal online. They dont want it to be a success, but they want eve to stay even if the game is arleady out. My biggest question is why eve online and not mortal online. EVE is already fucking out. So go on and put mortal online. This article was not suppose to be about history. While we at it, you should had put ultima online or arsheron call you moron. I use to like his article, but this time, he failed.
You use the word "carebear" as if it's a big insult, when in fact it means "person using this term is a pre-pubescent who uses PvP games to hide his real life shamefull ass kickings" and then call Jon a moron? Your post was laughable, but entertaining. I give you 1 star out of 10 for effort.
Jon, I think you're going to have to add a giant disclaimer of "THIS IS MY OWN PERSONAL LIST AND NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF ANYONE BUT ME" at the top, or the kids on the shortbus are never going to figure it out. Even then, they'll probably miss it.
*shrug* It's in the text of the article. If people want to take something out of context without reading the text, that's their perogative. If I wasn't used to getting slammed mercilessly, I wouldn't still be doing this job Thanks for the support though Zorvan.
It's like I said above that even if that giant disclaimer was added it wouldn't matter. You're still going to have those that read the title and skip any and all writing down to where the #10 pick starts. Sadly the bulk of the people that do that don't know how to post (agree and disagree) in a civil manner and can't accept that even an "official" from a site can post an opinion piece (much less know what an opinion piece is). If they see that blue background around a name on the left then they automatically believe that what is posted is some gospel of the MMO genre. Heaven forbid it be a list because that automatically makes it a list of facts.
It does have one positive outcome in my estimation. It allows you to see who is capable of "Thinking with your dipstick, Jimmy" and thus worthy of taking their posts as something other than random spewing off at the mouth.
As long as you keep prefacing such articles with "this is my personal opinion" Jon, keep cranking them out. No need to defend yourself against people who are incapable of getting it. There are still many of us who understand you are a person and have your own tastes and that's it's ok to share those even if you are the editor (not sure where being an editor prohibits one from writing an opinion piece).
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
It is clear this list and this post is surprising for most. 3 lessons learned. "Potential" is the worst what happened in mmorpg's these last 4 years. "Potential" means nothing, it is hype of a hot air balloon filled with ... air.
The moment you enter the stage of "publishing" a game, ... you enter the transition of a "potential" hot air balloon to actually flying the thing. I just wonder HOW long players will keep accepting the "potential" and pre launch gaming hype. I really thought that 4 years and at least a dozen "duds" would have pushed some to the edge of "no more day dreaming and "potential" for me .... , just lets wait, see and PLAY. -------- Secondly, I was very very surprised in the past with the choices of J. Wood when talking about games he likes. I mean ... being the chief editor of mmorpg.com, and NOT seeing the extremely visible faults of games like WAR or AoC. I would have thought guys running a website like this would have MUCH more insight in what make games thick these days. Apparently I am wrong. These guys are not better or worse than the average kid around the block. Perhaps it's because I have a few years on all of you guys, but I think most could recognize the many faults with War and AoC from ... day one, if not (because of excitement) by day 3... --- Third: what does a 6 year old game do in the list of 9 other "hot air balloons". I mean putting out a list with a game that most likely will not even be put out before 2011... with EVE. ??? I'll let J Wood in on a "secret"; You know potentially the only game that will rake in 1 billion dollars on a yearly basis is not included in that list.... The game that is talked about in the streets and gets the prime time News with every expansion is NOT on the list of "potential" for the coming years and at the same time "potential" is being used for games which are being developped at 1% of the current development costs of that market leader.... Or is perhaps ... the turnover of 1.2 billion dollars on a yearly basis from just one game.. not a "potential" for the complete mmorpg field ... filled with ... hot air balloons. )) Chances are J. Wood would not even be an editor of this site without the 800 lb gorilla in the field. Now that's another kind of potential. The hard succesful dollar wise potential.
On the first point: That's cool. If you choose not to look tot he future and only look at a game post-launch, that's your right. Me? I'll keep thinking about possibilities.
On the second point: How exactly have I not seen the faults of WAR or AoC? I've written about both and in critical writings, they've come up. What i don't do is harp on them every single time I mention the games.
Third: Did you read the section where I talk about EVE and the reason I chose it? It's pretty much self-explanatory. I was referencing the fact that there is a spoken of feature that will fundamentally change the way the game is played... which you'd know if you'd read the article.
Fourth: This list had nothing to do with money, or the amount of money a game brings in. While I recognize all that WoW has done in the past for this genre. I, personally, don't see what great potential for something new and exciting at this point.
And just to clear things up, the analogy you're looking for is lead balloon, which the saying goes, won't fly. By comparing the games to hot air balloons, you're implying they are going to fly to great heights. Just if you're going to insult someone and their career, it might be wise to get you analogies straight. I'd also suggest thoroughly reading the article you're trashing, but that's entirely optional.
It is clear this list and this post is surprising for most. 3 lessons learned. "Potential" is the worst what happened in mmorpg's these last 4 years. "Potential" means nothing, it is hype of a hot air balloon filled with ... air.
The moment you enter the stage of "publishing" a game, ... you enter the transition of a "potential" hot air balloon to actually flying the thing. I just wonder HOW long players will keep accepting the "potential" and pre launch gaming hype. I really thought that 4 years and at least a dozen "duds" would have pushed some to the edge of "no more day dreaming and "potential" for me .... , just lets wait, see and PLAY. -------- Secondly, I was very very surprised in the past with the choices of J. Wood when talking about games he likes. I mean ... being the chief editor of mmorpg.com, and NOT seeing the extremely visible faults of games like WAR or AoC. I would have thought guys running a website like this would have MUCH more insight in what make games thick these days. Apparently I am wrong. These guys are not better or worse than the average kid around the block. Perhaps it's because I have a few years on all of you guys, but I think most could recognize the many faults with War and AoC from ... day one, if not (because of excitement) by day 3... --- Third: what does a 6 year old game do in the list of 9 other "hot air balloons". I mean putting out a list with a game that most likely will not even be put out before 2011... with EVE. ??? I'll let J Wood in on a "secret"; You know potentially the only game that will rake in 1 billion dollars on a yearly basis is not included in that list.... The game that is talked about in the streets and gets the prime time News with every expansion is NOT on the list of "potential" for the coming years and at the same time "potential" is being used for games which are being developped at 1% of the current development costs of that market leader.... Or is perhaps ... the turnover of 1.2 billion dollars on a yearly basis from just one game.. not a "potential" for the complete mmorpg field ... filled with ... hot air balloons. )) Chances are J. Wood would not even be an editor of this site without the 800 lb gorilla in the field. Now that's another kind of potential. The hard succesful dollar wise potential.
Our cruisers can't repel douchebaggery of that magnitude!
Seriously though, if you're going to bitch about every little detail like a little girl who just watched her pony be eaten alive by vultures...what are you still doing here? God knows I don't agree with EVERYTHING John says but if I were to disagree on every single tiny indiscrimate little point I probably wouldn't want to subject myself to this site.
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I really liked this article a lot. Jon highlighted a lot of games that I am also excited about as well.....games that are (mostly) looking to be very different to what we have been seeing for quite a while. I particularly like the emphasis on pvp that many of the upcoming mmos are having......and about time too! It will be interesting if these games do really well because then finally all the pvp haters with their "pvpers are only 10% of the market" and "pvp doesnt belong in the mmo genre" comments can finally eat their words and keep quiet......not that they will of course.
These are online games and yet for years we have been seeing games that are really just single player games in co-op mode where we can only effectively play against the computer. Player conflict has been added to these games but only as a side option......a kind of after thought, and as a result pvp has received a bad reputation because it generally never worked out very well. Yet now it seems that games companies are learning from their past mistakes and are designing their games with player conflict in mind from the beginning. It looks like a lot of mmos are heading towards being proper online worlds which players can perhaps change and influence through player conflict and interaction......which is the way it should be being online games and all that. I also didnt know there was a World of Darkness game being made by CCP. Happy thoughts.
Equally though there are some good story driven games coming out too that dont have their emphasis on player conflict. So......a large number of (hopefully) decent mmos focused on player conflict on their way to fill the void in the currently unbalanced pve focused market, and a smaller number of story focused mmos (there are already plenty of them) to keep the players happy who dont enjoy player conflict and competition. It seems to me like everyone has a reason to feel optimistic about the future of mmo gaming.
I think we have a problem here, some people aren't quite sure what the word potential and niche means....
Potential
1: existing in possibility : capable of development into actuality <potential benefits>
2: expressing possibility ; specifically : of, relating to, or constituting a verb phrase expressing possibility, liberty, or power by the use of an auxiliary with the infinitive of the verb (as in “it may rain”)
Niche
1 a: a recess in a wall especially for a statue b: something that resembles a niche
2 a: a place, employment, status, or activity for which a person or thing is best fitted <finally found her niche> b: a habitat supplying the factors necessary for the existence of an organism or species c: the ecological role of an organism in a community especially in regard to food consumption d: a specialized market
Taken from the Merriam-Webster Dictionary.
And the writer of this list didn't say... "My Top Ten MMORPG Games with Potential." He said "My Top Ten Games with Potential."
The operative words in that statement are, MY, and Games.
He could have wrote about single player console games, or even java based flash games played on his I-phone. And lastly this is the writers oppinion, not the oppinion of the site or meant to be the definative final answer on MMO games. Some of you are really reading WAY to much into this article.
So much crap, so little quality.
When I first read this, I was like were is FFXIV? Then I thought about it. We don't know too much about the game to know if it is going to have potential or not. Only time will tell. So, I agrree with everything that the OP said. Great list.
Still when it comes to potential : Potential
1: existing in possibility : capable of development into actuality <potential benefits>
2: expressing possibility ; specifically : of, relating to, or constituting a verb phrase expressing possibility, liberty, or power by the use of an auxiliary with the infinitive of the verb (as in “it may rain”)
He does not define potential for: What? To be innovative in combat , to add new PVe experiences, to expand on it's current theme elements or content, to provide an immersive community, to add in new features of questing, crafting, or economy?
The phrase Potential is what a game could be, is still very vague.
As an example imagine this conversation:
Pete : Man Sue you have so much potential
Sue: What do you mean?
Pete; I mean you could be so much more
Sue: So much more HOW ?
Pete: Just that you have so many possibilities to reach your full potential
Even when making an analysis based on potential, if your intentions are to be clear and not just stir up debate and discussion, you still need to be specific on what potential is for the purpose of that analysis.
i have very big doubt on your list aion will do good for a new game as will do rom
but the fact is wow will get most of the rest
why new content will be good enough for most
eve wont break any record
first person shooter wil do good ,check xfire the second place is always a shooter
so for the rest ,mm unless they are more impressive then wow in term of quality (good luck on that front)
not a lot of game will steal spotlight from wow
1 small exemple compare aion ways to move and wow
in wow you can moove so fluidly in pvp ,like jumpe do a 180 while doing all kind of weird stuff
try doing that in aion lol you get automaticly faced to your opponent lol
thats just one exemple ,yes wow had 5 year to polish
but it was like that from almost the start you cant polish feature that arent there in any game
the fact is not a lot of game have the bugdet power blizzard has
and if blizzard ever felt they would loose they would probably had a tournament with money
wow doesnt have lot of competition yes some game might and i state this again might do good in september
and its not for the lack of trying AOC,WAR,LOTR,DDO all fairly similar game rpg all of those game together gets what 10% of wow player
hell rom does better then all those game put together,and its been what 4 months since release.
Potential to be a good game. It wasn't an "official analysis," it was a list written to be fun and to get people talking about the idea of potential within the indusry, however you define it. I don't know why you're so stuck on this point, other than to simply nitpick. In each description, I discussed where I felt the particular game's potential was coming from. Seriously man, let it go. Either let go of the semantics and enjoy it for what it is, or don't and stop worrying about it.
Cheers,
Jon Wood
Managing Editor
MMORPG.com
Mortal online should've been there & also Warhammer 40k online. There should always be room for scif-fi lumbering orcs
This is a travesty of a list. To include Stargate and Eve but not Jumpgate is a pure strike out, IMO. Where's Champions Online, DC Universe Online, or even Earthrise?
That's 4 highly anticipated games that were excluded for the likes of Stargate (with some of the worst gameplay videos I've ever seen for an MMO) and an MMO that's been out for 6 years now. Swing and a miss.
This sentence is false.
Jon wood, you and I, have the same taste.
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Before: developers loved games and made money.
Now: developers love money and make games.
You use the word "carebear" as if it's a big insult, when in fact it means "person using this term is a pre-pubescent who uses PvP games to hide his real life shamefull ass kickings" and then call Jon a moron? Your post was laughable, but entertaining. I give you 1 star out of 10 for effort.
Jon, I think you're going to have to add a giant disclaimer of "THIS IS MY OWN PERSONAL LIST AND NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF ANYONE BUT ME" at the top, or the kids on the shortbus are never going to figure it out. Even then, they'll probably miss it.
Did you read the article? If you had, you would understand why I chose the games that I did. you would also see that I specifically stated that there were going to be games that people disagreed with me on, including the ones you mention ion this rant. If you're going to trash me, trash me, that's cool but it's more effective if you can show that you've read the article you're trashing.
Cheers,
Jon Wood
Managing Editor
MMORPG.com
You use the word "carebear" as if it's a big insult, when in fact it means "person using this term is a pre-pubescent who uses PvP games to hide his real life shamefull ass kickings" and then call Jon a moron? Your post was laughable, but entertaining. I give you 1 star out of 10 for effort.
Jon, I think you're going to have to add a giant disclaimer of "THIS IS MY OWN PERSONAL LIST AND NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF ANYONE BUT ME" at the top, or the kids on the shortbus are never going to figure it out. Even then, they'll probably miss it.
*shrug* It's in the text of the article. If people want to take something out of context without reading the text, that's their perogative. If I wasn't used to getting slammed mercilessly, I wouldn't still be doing this job
Thanks for the support though Zorvan.
Cheers,
Jon Wood
Managing Editor
MMORPG.com
Game with the most potential ever!
The one that hasn't been announced yet...yep that's right, it can be whatever *you* always wanted...just imagine it...
Overall I thought the article was pretty good in presenting the potential of some of the mmo's. Some ideas I agreed with some I didn't. I thought that Fallen Earth should be a little higher on the list and that the final three were basically a "give me". I really enjoyed reading about some of the the other more obscure games that have potential, according to the writer.
For me I think one of the mmo's that has the most potential is Force of Arms. I have been following the game for a while and really like the open ended aspect of the game play and creativitiy in the storyline that has been put into the game so far.
Right because you're line Remember, potential isn't a measure of what a game is, it's a measure of what a game could be
clarified that your measuring stick was potential to be a good game. Sorry, but if you're going to be listed as a managing editor for a site that advertises, reports, makes money from, and critiques games that are competing for my dollar the I expect you not to write like some amateur on a blog. Is that too much to ask?
You can still write fun articles and be clear in your presentation of them.
We know FF XIV has more potential than a game which is dying in utero (SGW).
I wanted Stargate to be great, but face it - it's dead. Zero potential.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Hmm, really? Which games have you leveled exclusively in PvP from L1?
For many of us, that is Warhammer's greatest feature. Last year, I hit the 50-character limit on my WoW account. Now, though, I can't stand to level alts by repeating the same stinking quests I have done dozens of times before.
PvP-leveling is aces, man. Period. That is also a major reason I am not exicited about Aion. Never again will I play an MMO where I have to earn the privelege of PvPing. Never again.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
That's obvious - Champions Online has cut itself off at the knees by having a subscription AND a microtransaction shopping mall.
Right because you're line Remember, potential isn't a measure of what a game is, it's a measure of what a game could be
clarified that your measuring stick was potential to be a good game. Sorry, but if you're going to be listed as a managing editor for a site that advertises, reports, makes money from, and critiques games that are competing for my dollar the I expect you not to write like some amateur on a blog. Is that too much to ask?
You can still write fun articles and be clear in your presentation of them.
Look man, you don't like my editorial style, that's entirely your call. There are lots of writers out there that I don't enjoy. You're just the only person that has a problem with this and can't seem to let it go. I'm going to go back to my original advice :Either accept it for what it is, or move on. Clearly this article wasn't for you.
Cheers,
Jon Wood
Managing Editor
MMORPG.com
We know FF XIV has more potential than a game which is dying in utero (SGW).
I wanted Stargate to be great, but face it - it's dead. Zero potential.
I doubt it.
MGM seem fairly intent on having an mmo in the market. My bet is that the game will get bought and finished by someone else.
We know FF XIV has more potential than a game which is dying in utero (SGW).
I wanted Stargate to be great, but face it - it's dead. Zero potential.
I doubt it.
MGM seem fairly intent on having an mmo in the market. My bet is that the game will get bought and finished by someone else.
The ONLY (and I do mean O N L Y [With big flamingletters an inch from your eyeball]) way SGW will be completed is if another company with signifigant finantial backing picks it up and starts everything from scratch on a very nice engine such as the Hero engine, or something similarly advanced.
Any company that picks this up will do an evaluationa and scrap the whole thing lock stock and barrel. and start anew.
And yes I am in the beta since day 1 of closed, so I have a bit of knowledge to back it up. If the game was still being actively developed I would hold my tounge but as it stands now it needs a new developer....and nuts, bolts, screws, planks, cement, Kitchen sink.
You use the word "carebear" as if it's a big insult, when in fact it means "person using this term is a pre-pubescent who uses PvP games to hide his real life shamefull ass kickings" and then call Jon a moron? Your post was laughable, but entertaining. I give you 1 star out of 10 for effort.
Jon, I think you're going to have to add a giant disclaimer of "THIS IS MY OWN PERSONAL LIST AND NOT REPRESENTATIVE OF ANYONE BUT ME" at the top, or the kids on the shortbus are never going to figure it out. Even then, they'll probably miss it.
*shrug* It's in the text of the article. If people want to take something out of context without reading the text, that's their perogative. If I wasn't used to getting slammed mercilessly, I wouldn't still be doing this job
Thanks for the support though Zorvan.
It's like I said above that even if that giant disclaimer was added it wouldn't matter. You're still going to have those that read the title and skip any and all writing down to where the #10 pick starts. Sadly the bulk of the people that do that don't know how to post (agree and disagree) in a civil manner and can't accept that even an "official" from a site can post an opinion piece (much less know what an opinion piece is). If they see that blue background around a name on the left then they automatically believe that what is posted is some gospel of the MMO genre. Heaven forbid it be a list because that automatically makes it a list of facts.
It does have one positive outcome in my estimation. It allows you to see who is capable of "Thinking with your dipstick, Jimmy" and thus worthy of taking their posts as something other than random spewing off at the mouth.
As long as you keep prefacing such articles with "this is my personal opinion" Jon, keep cranking them out. No need to defend yourself against people who are incapable of getting it. There are still many of us who understand you are a person and have your own tastes and that's it's ok to share those even if you are the editor (not sure where being an editor prohibits one from writing an opinion piece).
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Chavez y Chavez
On the first point: That's cool. If you choose not to look tot he future and only look at a game post-launch, that's your right. Me? I'll keep thinking about possibilities.
On the second point: How exactly have I not seen the faults of WAR or AoC? I've written about both and in critical writings, they've come up. What i don't do is harp on them every single time I mention the games.
Third: Did you read the section where I talk about EVE and the reason I chose it? It's pretty much self-explanatory. I was referencing the fact that there is a spoken of feature that will fundamentally change the way the game is played... which you'd know if you'd read the article.
Fourth: This list had nothing to do with money, or the amount of money a game brings in. While I recognize all that WoW has done in the past for this genre. I, personally, don't see what great potential for something new and exciting at this point.
And just to clear things up, the analogy you're looking for is lead balloon, which the saying goes, won't fly. By comparing the games to hot air balloons, you're implying they are going to fly to great heights. Just if you're going to insult someone and their career, it might be wise to get you analogies straight. I'd also suggest thoroughly reading the article you're trashing, but that's entirely optional.
Cheers,
Jon Wood
Managing Editor
MMORPG.com
World of Darkness is the game I'm waiting on.
Our cruisers can't repel douchebaggery of that magnitude!
Seriously though, if you're going to bitch about every little detail like a little girl who just watched her pony be eaten alive by vultures...what are you still doing here? God knows I don't agree with EVERYTHING John says but if I were to disagree on every single tiny indiscrimate little point I probably wouldn't want to subject myself to this site.
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