But, notice how it also eliminates the "OMG, Funcom deletes all negative posts" attitude we see here.
If done constructively and with a note to furthering a game you enjoy, then I see no reason to NOT post a negative post.
And, BTW, that post is from July 4th, and discussed the fact that Funcom needed to start a return trial for players who left after launch...and lo, and behold...it worked. My issue was resolved.
Funcom may have issues, but they are willing to at least look at the issues and make adjustments. No one is EVER going to be 100% happy, But, progress to me means they are willing to take a chance. they did, and it paid off.
Thus, the reason I still play Age of Conan. Fun game, and the company (though not always right, or makes mistakes like normal humans) is willing to listen to those who post logically and discuss the game logically.
Try it some time (or just continue to post hate on MMORPG)
Yeah but you are probably given some special treatment in regards to your posts being deleted (i mean let's be honest here), Famine knows who you are and your willingness to defend them. (something very few are willing to do)...In fact don't think there was one "go back to WOW" response in that thread. So you are probably as well know in the AoC community (and AoC staff) as a certain correspondent. You and I know that if you turned on FC--well what kind of message would that send to readers? I remember Famine himself interjecting a post you wrote on this very forum (you know the one-right?). He reached out to you. Power is nice isn't it?
And i have been back...for the re evaluation period. Which only made me think--this is game may have been suitable for release today in the current state...but for a year of release time--Im not sure that this game is up to par. I think back to WoW at the one year mark, and it was really getting good. Tons of content, tons of new armor. WoW never deviated from their vision, and continues to build on this world they created to this day. They didn't even have a novel to copy either. While AoC is trying to play catch up--other MMORPG companies are introducing new products or building heavily on their current products. AoC is not a threat to them in any shape or form at this point (too little too late).
The biggest threat to AoC (Ironically) is probably SW, because since so many people have ill will towards FC--the only people who may give SW a chance are current AoC fans...it'll be interesting to see if FC promotes SW amongst their current AoC base. Take from one pocket and put in another.
I have a feeling (and i could be wrong) but i think the second a company (whoever that may be) releases an acceptable, fun new PvP oriented MMORPG--you'll be one of the first to go running in to her arms
I don't blame you for that-we are all waiting for the next good PVP oriented MMORPG (Sweet Jesus please let it be Aion)--and if AoC tides you over til that day.
Yeah but you are probably given some special treatment in regards to your posts being deleted (i mean let's be honest here), Famine knows who you are and your willingness to defend them. (something very few are willing to do)...In fact don't think there was one "go back to WOW" response in that thread. So you are probably as well know in the AoC community (and AoC staff) as a certain correspondent. You and I know that if you turned on FC--well what kind of message would that send to readers? I remember Famine himself interjecting a post you wrote on this very forum (you know the one-right?). He reached out to you. Power is nice isn't it?
Talk about reaching for excuses. I pay just like any subscriber. I do not get anything special in return except my game time.
I have had a post deleted before (on Testlive) and I have had Silirrion (Craig) counter several of my posts with objections. I do NOT get anything special...but, what I DO get is respect for posting logically and not throwing a tirade. Try it sometime...you may be shocked.
And i have been back...for the re evaluation period. Which only made me think--this is game may have been suitable for release today in the current state...but for a year of release time--Im not sure that this game is up to par. I think back to WoW at the one year mark, and it was really getting good. Tons of content, tons of new armor. WoW never deviated from their vision, and continues to build on this world they created to this day. They didn't even have a novel to copy either. While AoC is trying to play catch up--other MMORPG companies are introducing new products or building heavily on their current products. AoC is not a threat to them in any shape or form at this point (too little too late).
So, if it is NOT a threat, why all the negativity here to make it look bad in those who MAY be interested eyes? You also make it sound like we are here lying, and we are not. I have complaints. I complain about Funcom on my blog, on Twitter. But, I do not think anyone is killing my responses. I like the game a lot, but it is not anywhere near perfect...and maybe that is its appeal. Rough game with some unqiue aspects that other DikU based MMO's do not offer.
Also, no one is saying AoC is a threat. I can vouch for the fact that Funcom lost that a year ago. But, I also do not believe it will be closing its doors...no matter how hard you close your eyes and wish it to. Sorry. It is fun, and I am enjoying myself...and I do not need to lie about it. Go look at my game time on XFire and see how much fun I am having IN THE GAME.
The biggest threat to AoC (Ironically) is probably SW, because since so many people have ill will towards FC--the only people who may give SW a chance are current AoC fans...it'll be interesting to see if FC promotes SW amongst their current AoC base. Take from one pocket and put in another.
Agreed...so you understand, like LOTRO, EQ2, WAR, and many other games...AoC is a NICHE game. A limited subscribership by a particular audience. It will stay as long as the niche player enjoys themselves....and guess what. All your complaining about being denied a voice, and shouting to the MMORPG.com masses about how bad the game is will not change it.
I have a feeling (and i could be wrong) but i think the second a company (whoever that may be) releases an acceptable, fun new PvP oriented MMORPG--you'll be one of the first to go running in to her arms
Nope
I don't blame you for that-we are all waiting for the next good PVP oriented MMORPG (Sweet Jesus please let it be Aion)--and if AoC tides you over til that day.
Power to you.
I have played Aion, and it is not it. It is fast, pretty to look at, but the overall game feels soulless and questing is a bore. I will stick with AoC until maybe...oh SWTOR or...Secret World?
Yeah but you are probably given some special treatment in regards to your posts being deleted (i mean let's be honest here), Famine knows who you are and your willingness to defend them. (something very few are willing to do)...In fact don't think there was one "go back to WOW" response in that thread. So you are probably as well know in the AoC community (and AoC staff) as a certain correspondent. You and I know that if you turned on FC--well what kind of message would that send to readers? I remember Famine himself interjecting a post you wrote on this very forum (you know the one-right?). He reached out to you. Power is nice isn't it?
Talk about reaching for excuses. I pay just like any subscriber. I do not get anything special in return except my game time.
I have had a post deleted before (on Testlive) and I have had Silirrion (Craig) counter several of my posts with objections. I do NOT get anything special...but, what I DO get is respect for posting logically and not throwing a tirade. Try it sometime...you may be shocked.
And i have been back...for the re evaluation period. Which only made me think--this is game may have been suitable for release today in the current state...but for a year of release time--Im not sure that this game is up to par. I think back to WoW at the one year mark, and it was really getting good. Tons of content, tons of new armor. WoW never deviated from their vision, and continues to build on this world they created to this day. They didn't even have a novel to copy either. While AoC is trying to play catch up--other MMORPG companies are introducing new products or building heavily on their current products. AoC is not a threat to them in any shape or form at this point (too little too late).
So, if it is NOT a threat, why all the negativity here to make it look bad in those who MAY be interested eyes? You also make it sound like we are here lying, and we are not. I have complaints. I complain about Funcom on my blog, on Twitter. But, I do not think anyone is killing my responses. I like the game a lot, but it is not anywhere near perfect...and maybe that is its appeal. Rough game with some unqiue aspects that other DikU based MMO's do not offer.
Also, no one is saying AoC is a threat. I can vouch for the fact that Funcom lost that a year ago. But, I also do not believe it will be closing its doors...no matter how hard you close your eyes and wish it to. Sorry. It is fun, and I am enjoying myself...and I do not need to lie about it. Go look at my game time on XFire and see how much fun I am having IN THE GAME.
The biggest threat to AoC (Ironically) is probably SW, because since so many people have ill will towards FC--the only people who may give SW a chance are current AoC fans...it'll be interesting to see if FC promotes SW amongst their current AoC base. Take from one pocket and put in another.
Agreed...so you understand, like LOTRO, EQ2, WAR, and many other games...AoC is a NICHE game. A limited subscribership by a particular audience. It will stay as long as the niche player enjoys themselves....and guess what. All your complaining about being denied a voice, and shouting to the MMORPG.com masses about how bad the game is will not change it.
I have a feeling (and i could be wrong) but i think the second a company (whoever that may be) releases an acceptable, fun new PvP oriented MMORPG--you'll be one of the first to go running in to her arms
Nope
I don't blame you for that-we are all waiting for the next good PVP oriented MMORPG (Sweet Jesus please let it be Aion)--and if AoC tides you over til that day.
Power to you.
I have played Aion, and it is not it. It is fast, pretty to look at, but the overall game feels soulless and questing is a bore. I will stick with AoC until maybe...oh SWTOR or...Secret World?
Thanks for sharing.
So let me get this straight.
You are saying that you are in constant contact with Craig. Famine (AoC's Damage Control) jumped on these very Forums to BEG you to reconsider giving AoC a second chance...and no special treatment? (I can find that post if you like...when was that....May i think?). I think Famine chasing you around the boards is special treatment.
As far as Aion.. why is it you are so quick to write it off in Bata but you're willing to give a buggy crashy game like AoC a whole year...just to become playable? Smells fishy. You're not adding up
You find exploiting players, Poor glitchy graphics, a disfunctional economy, A laughable crafting system, broken sieges...fun? Maybe you enjoy the art of searching websites for badges (in english and non english) too?
Alright chief if you say so.
I guess there's no accounting for taste.
Tell me what other games you like so I can avoid them like the plague-lol
You are saying that you are in constant contact with Craig. Famine (AoC's Damage Control) jumped on these very Forums to BEG you to reconsider giving AoC a second chance...and no special treatment? (I can find that post if you like...when was that....May i think?). I think Famine chasing you around the boards is special treatment.
Let me get this straight. I got a response (JUST one) here on MMORPG.com, and I get special treatment? I get a response, like so many others have on the AoC forums, and I get special treatment?
Maybe I do get responses because I discuss...not argue, call names, or attack with my posts. (oh, and if I do, which I did on Testlive, it gets deleted, just like any attack post should).
Again, I say...try it. You may learn something.
As far as Aion.. why is it you are so quick to write it off in Bata but you're willing to give a buggy crashy game like AoC a whole year...just to become playable? Smells fishy. You're not adding up
WRONG! I Gave AoC 30 days, and I was gone (I left at launch). I also will give Aion 30 days. But, based on the "structure" of the game (which has nothing to do with it being beta), I am already leery. But, I give all games a fair chance if I am interested. (PS: I do not crash in AoC...maybe get your system checked out?)
You find exploiting players, Poor glitchy graphics, a disfunctional economy, A laughable crafting system, broken sieges...fun? Maybe you enjoy the art of searching websites for badges (in english and non english) too?
I am sorry, I do not understand these issues, and do not experience them. Economy in the game is thriving right now, crafting is actually something I hate about MMO's, but like in AoC because it is not required of me, or does not take away from my gaming. I have been in sieges with no issues (and have been in sieges with issues...but I also have been in raids in other games that fall over...so what is different here?)
Yes, I know Funcom screwed up the year anniversary, and I never said I like Funcom, but I do like AoC.
Alright chief if you say so.
I guess there's no accounting for taste.
Tell me what other games you like so I can avoid them like the plague-lol
Please do, as I can see your taste does not match mine...thus why we have opinions of games we like or dislike. Now, why are you NOT in a forum of a game you DO like?
yet nother global total general universal complaint thread, that nobody can make sense of, a whole wall of text to say that the game is no good because of something about something in something that happened amany moons ago...
ill gladly rate this as the most stupid complaint this week on this forum.
Yet another thread to let us know how much it annoys the haters that AoC is doing great.
My favourite complains thus far is; "The trees look boring", and ofc all the complaints about the launch (getting old, guys).
I really never could understand why people would spend so much time on something they say is not worth their time (and sorry, but I really don't believe the "I wanna sacrifice hours and hours of forum time to save the innocent from trying the game")
Honesty, who cares how well AoC does. Its been out for awhile now, let the players decide whether they like it or not. I personally grew bored of AoC in 2-3 weeks but that doesnt mean someone wouldn't enjoy it. The combat system alone is enough to keep it alive because its different then most other mmorpgs out these days.
Yet another thread to let us know how much it annoys the haters that AoC is doing great.
Yet a nother Norwegian who doesn't like his country's crowned achievement criticised. Also lying about the state of the game too. What a shocker. If only the OP predicted this...in some way...
Yet another thread to let us know how much it annoys the haters that AoC is doing great.
Yet a nother Norwegian who doesn't like his country's crowned achievement criticised. Also lying about the state of the game too. What a shocker. If only the OP predicted this...in some way...
Crowned achievement? lol. If you think that this is the best thing that came out of Norway, then it just proves how ignorant you really are.
Yet another thread to let us know how much it annoys the haters that AoC is doing great.
Yet a nother Norwegian who doesn't like his country's crowned achievement criticised. Also lying about the state of the game too. What a shocker. If only the OP predicted this...in some way...
On the contrary. Just try to keep it rational (ops, too late)
I'm not saying the game is perfect (who would claim any mmorpg is?)
I'm just saying the "the trees look boring" and the "Funcom owes me an apologie" arguments amuse me.
So I don't want to offend, but it seems like the improved state of the game manages to do that by itself:)
While bugs are annoying, players will stay with the game if it's fun, because MMO players know that bugs will be fixed eventually. But what you cannot fix is the core of the game. For about 700k players, MMO X just wasn't fun.
See how that statement can AND probably does apply to EACH and EVERY MMO on the market today? Seriously think about it.
Funcom has done so many things wrong, and have done very little right. Yet when harsh criticisms are dealt towards a game that is less than average (in every way except art work, and perhaps music) when compared to all the other mmorpgs out there---it makes you a troll, and not someone who simply trying to warn people about a game that has broken crafting, sieges, economy...etc. In reality, there are F2P games that absolutely PWN AoC when it comes to playability. That and just about every other game maker puts Funcom to shame just in the manner they do business with their customers alone (yes even SoE). With the vast amount of problems in this game you may want to ask why a handful of people advocate this game if it's so bad. Well i have some thoughts to keep in mind.
---Funcom considers Viral Marketing a big part of their "business plan."www.funcom.com/funcom/frontend/files/CONTENT/Funcom_2008_Annual_Report.pdf ---Norwegians (and their tags are a good indicator of this) are loyal to this game and advocate it (not all--some think that FC has made a mockery of the whole country). In fact I wouldn't be surprised if, in some cases, their parents or relatives actually work for Funcom. ---Time investment..some of these people have rolled every class the game has to offer while letting Funcom "lead them on," that the next patch will make the game more playable, or be the end-all-be-all answer to the many problems that plague AoC, but to anyone who knows anything about games the obvious problem is their ancient game engine that was used in AO which is going on 8 years old, which might as well be 100 years old in the gaming industry--although their are exceptions---but AoC is not one of them. ---A lot of players simply have friends in the game and that keeps them playing. --There's no accounting for taste. As with bad movies, there will always people who will defend crap movies like "Lady in the Water," for example. Even though most movie goers acknowledge that it all but ended Shyamalan's credibility as a movie maker there will be those who will claim to like that PoS movie. Hey I don't try to understand it. Since there's no accounting for taste; anybody can claim to like anything and call it subjective, but that's why discriminating gamers spend time reading the forums here and other places. Do your Homework before wasting 100 hours of your life...if you do that.. you are truly a real gamer which will benefit everyone by discouraging bad games from being made by bad game makers in the future. (same goes for movies, cars and lawnmowers...etc) ---Then there's the group i almost feel sorry for...the actual Conan fans. Although here in NA Conan really hasn't taken off culturally like it has in Europe (as far as the original novels are concerned). Yet, I have seen plenty of insulted Conan fans leave AoC furious over the mishandling of Conan lore. Most of these people can point out a lot of indiscrepancies EG: magic didn't exist in the Conan books like they do in AoC, is a common complaint. Plus, with virtually no RP elements the fans of the books lose interest quickly. ---Creating doubt is FC's best weapon: Doubt over population numbers, doubt over every or any criticism ever made. I guess they feel if they arouse enough doubt that people will give them the benefit. This is not a tool of any quality mmorpg. EG: EvE show there population in realtime.
You can always count on these people to call critics of AoC a troll (even though many times its the AoC fans who flip-out over criticisms and start name calling)...this is a culture that Funcom encourages as they never delete those posts calling people those names on their forums. They expect/ force people to say good things when there is very few good things to say. If only Famine or his flunkies could just wave a magic wand and delete all the criticisms from all the forums everywhere. Or hire someone or a group of people to defend this game. Remind you of anyone who frequents these boards....hmmmmm. Having said that I would recommend anyone to play through Tortage as i truly believe many mmorpgs will take this aspect from AoC and use it in future games (with the whole night and day destiny quests). Unfortunately that part of the game is over in about 10 hours give or take. So the free trial should do the trick, and with all the new-blood about to hit the mmorpg market, now's the time to try it before the game is totally abandoned.
My point is: Be very careful who you listen to, and read everything, everywhere--it'll draw the right picture eventually.
I've waded through a lot of shitty games lately and a lot that weren't shitty but not for me. I do not see what population problems you are talking about. I play on "Set" and I see tons of people at all hours- no joke. As for publishing population numbers, there really aren't publishers who will release their numbers so that the public can unfairly compare them the the Warcraft Behemoth- not that WoW doesn't deserve the recognition for them- but would you want to publish your sub-million player stats next to that?
While bugs are annoying, players will stay with the game if it's fun, because MMO players know that bugs will be fixed eventually. But what you cannot fix is the core of the game. For about 700k players, MMO X just wasn't fun.
See how that statement can AND probably does apply to EACH and EVERY MMO on the market today? Seriously think about it.
I know, math is hard.
The point isn't how many players quit. WoW has probably lost MILLIONS of players. We need to look at the PERCENTAGE of players who quit and who didn't quit.
Even if WoW has lost millions of subscribers, that's still less than 50%. Age of Conan however once had 750k subscriptions and have since then lost about 700k of them.
That means that only about 7% of players have stayed with AoC while about 93% of players have QUIT.
Who cares about the ones that left? Niche is another kind of thing, WoW isn't niche.
I quit too, came back and quit again because I like different kind of game. Those who stick with the game and like it are the ones that matter. Their opinions are good because likeminded people might read them and go have fun with the game.
Your kinds of should aim at the Aion forums. Aion is the one that will destroy WoW in Asia and Europe (maybe Oceanics too). US can be a bit hard because they are biased to homeland companies, they will go for Blizzards next game what ever that will be.
Can you really be that stupid? The fact is that these numbers are pure speculations. If Funcom publically announces them they make it official. Can you tell the difference between speculations and official announcement?
Lets take for example a man who saw alien - untill he heards from some official source that there in fact are aliens around he will be doubting his own sanity, his own self perception ... as much as some doubt those small numbers in AoC subscriptions - AoC numbers would be announced if the number would be around 500k to 1 million. But since sieges STILL don't work ... we shall wait and see.
I've waded through a lot of shitty games lately and a lot that weren't shitty but not for me. I do not see what population problems you are talking about. I play on "Set" and I see tons of people at all hours- no joke. As for publishing population numbers, there really aren't publishers who will release their numbers so that the public can unfairly compare them the the Warcraft Behemoth- not that WoW doesn't deserve the recognition for them- but would you want to publish your sub-million player stats next to that?
Everyone knows AoC has about 50k-100k subscriptions.
Really? Then if EVERYONE knows, it must be because it is printed somewhere...yet, are you not arguing they do not tell anyone these numbers?
How do YOU know? Because you are speculating. Better yet, really you ass*u*me there are that many players, because you want it to be that many to prove your invalid points.
Why not stop taking this off topic. This is not about population, so please sit this thread out.
Yet another thread to let us know how much it annoys the haters that AoC is doing great.
Yet a nother Norwegian who doesn't like his country's crowned achievement criticised. Also lying about the state of the game too. What a shocker. If only the OP predicted this...in some way...
Crowned achievement? lol. If you think that this is the best thing that came out of Norway, then it just proves how ignorant you really are.
ok--I exaggerated.....but so did he when he said AoC is doing great!
Everyone knows AoC has about 50k-100k subscriptions. So if they published the numbers, it wouldn't be like they were giving a way a state secret.
Is that so? BWHAHAHA. You should write children's books w/ all your story telling, Mother Goose. Maybe you could write one about a little boy that's so mad, lonely and bitter, he can't let go and has to try and bash something that other people are enjoying through lies, misinformation and slander. You'd have tons of life material to reflect on.
I find it interesting to see how people still think Norwegians defending AoC at times does it because they are Norwegians and Funcom is a Norwegian company.
How would you explain the fact that there are so many Norwegian users on this forum? Lol, even YOU are a Norwegian
We are talking about a country of a couple of million people, yet so many hardcore fans here are from Norway. This is no coincidence. There are more Norwegian users because:
1. They are patriotic
or
2. They are somehow affiliated with Funcom (employees, family, etc)
This leads to a very important question:
If indeed most of these Norwegian users only defend Funcom because it's a Norwegian company, how can they be objective? They might not be straight up lying, but they are probably giving bias and false information.
Lets take you as an example, Crashloop. You are from Norway and seem to be VERY active in defending AoC and Funcom. Do you think you are being objective, or maybe a little bias because of patriotism?
I'm not trying to attack Norwegian posters, so please don't be affended
This post made me laugh, if anything it's a cute conspiracy theory.
Playing: Battlefield - Bad company (Xbox360) Arma2, DFO (PC) On my radar: TSW, MO MMO's played: SWG (pre cu/cu), WoW, AoC, WAR, DFO, Planetside MMO's that I have tested: Lotro, L2, Aion, Ryzom
Everyone knows AoC has about 50k-100k subscriptions. So if they published the numbers, it wouldn't be like they were giving a way a state secret.
Is that so? BWHAHAHA. You should write children's books w/ all your story telling, Mother Goose. Maybe you could write one about a little boy that's so mad, lonely and bitter, he can't let go and has to try and bash something that other people are enjoying through lies, misinformation and slander. You'd have tons of life material to reflect on.
Stop just making things up, you moron.
lol that babyboybill guy is a random number generator, i think some people by force of lestening to the media crap while beeing not very well educated, start thinking that people just start throwing random numbers at each other when they debate a subject.
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That is true.
But, notice how it also eliminates the "OMG, Funcom deletes all negative posts" attitude we see here.
If done constructively and with a note to furthering a game you enjoy, then I see no reason to NOT post a negative post.
And, BTW, that post is from July 4th, and discussed the fact that Funcom needed to start a return trial for players who left after launch...and lo, and behold...it worked. My issue was resolved.
Funcom may have issues, but they are willing to at least look at the issues and make adjustments. No one is EVER going to be 100% happy, But, progress to me means they are willing to take a chance. they did, and it paid off.
Thus, the reason I still play Age of Conan. Fun game, and the company (though not always right, or makes mistakes like normal humans) is willing to listen to those who post logically and discuss the game logically.
Try it some time (or just continue to post hate on MMORPG)
Yeah but you are probably given some special treatment in regards to your posts being deleted (i mean let's be honest here), Famine knows who you are and your willingness to defend them. (something very few are willing to do)...In fact don't think there was one "go back to WOW" response in that thread. So you are probably as well know in the AoC community (and AoC staff) as a certain correspondent. You and I know that if you turned on FC--well what kind of message would that send to readers? I remember Famine himself interjecting a post you wrote on this very forum (you know the one-right?). He reached out to you. Power is nice isn't it?
And i have been back...for the re evaluation period. Which only made me think--this is game may have been suitable for release today in the current state...but for a year of release time--Im not sure that this game is up to par. I think back to WoW at the one year mark, and it was really getting good. Tons of content, tons of new armor. WoW never deviated from their vision, and continues to build on this world they created to this day. They didn't even have a novel to copy either. While AoC is trying to play catch up--other MMORPG companies are introducing new products or building heavily on their current products. AoC is not a threat to them in any shape or form at this point (too little too late).
The biggest threat to AoC (Ironically) is probably SW, because since so many people have ill will towards FC--the only people who may give SW a chance are current AoC fans...it'll be interesting to see if FC promotes SW amongst their current AoC base. Take from one pocket and put in another.
I have a feeling (and i could be wrong) but i think the second a company (whoever that may be) releases an acceptable, fun new PvP oriented MMORPG--you'll be one of the first to go running in to her arms
I don't blame you for that-we are all waiting for the next good PVP oriented MMORPG (Sweet Jesus please let it be Aion)--and if AoC tides you over til that day.
Power to you.
Yeah but you are probably given some special treatment in regards to your posts being deleted (i mean let's be honest here), Famine knows who you are and your willingness to defend them. (something very few are willing to do)...In fact don't think there was one "go back to WOW" response in that thread. So you are probably as well know in the AoC community (and AoC staff) as a certain correspondent. You and I know that if you turned on FC--well what kind of message would that send to readers? I remember Famine himself interjecting a post you wrote on this very forum (you know the one-right?). He reached out to you. Power is nice isn't it?
Talk about reaching for excuses. I pay just like any subscriber. I do not get anything special in return except my game time.
I have had a post deleted before (on Testlive) and I have had Silirrion (Craig) counter several of my posts with objections. I do NOT get anything special...but, what I DO get is respect for posting logically and not throwing a tirade. Try it sometime...you may be shocked.
And i have been back...for the re evaluation period. Which only made me think--this is game may have been suitable for release today in the current state...but for a year of release time--Im not sure that this game is up to par. I think back to WoW at the one year mark, and it was really getting good. Tons of content, tons of new armor. WoW never deviated from their vision, and continues to build on this world they created to this day. They didn't even have a novel to copy either. While AoC is trying to play catch up--other MMORPG companies are introducing new products or building heavily on their current products. AoC is not a threat to them in any shape or form at this point (too little too late).
So, if it is NOT a threat, why all the negativity here to make it look bad in those who MAY be interested eyes? You also make it sound like we are here lying, and we are not. I have complaints. I complain about Funcom on my blog, on Twitter. But, I do not think anyone is killing my responses. I like the game a lot, but it is not anywhere near perfect...and maybe that is its appeal. Rough game with some unqiue aspects that other DikU based MMO's do not offer.
Also, no one is saying AoC is a threat. I can vouch for the fact that Funcom lost that a year ago. But, I also do not believe it will be closing its doors...no matter how hard you close your eyes and wish it to. Sorry. It is fun, and I am enjoying myself...and I do not need to lie about it. Go look at my game time on XFire and see how much fun I am having IN THE GAME.
The biggest threat to AoC (Ironically) is probably SW, because since so many people have ill will towards FC--the only people who may give SW a chance are current AoC fans...it'll be interesting to see if FC promotes SW amongst their current AoC base. Take from one pocket and put in another.
Agreed...so you understand, like LOTRO, EQ2, WAR, and many other games...AoC is a NICHE game. A limited subscribership by a particular audience. It will stay as long as the niche player enjoys themselves....and guess what. All your complaining about being denied a voice, and shouting to the MMORPG.com masses about how bad the game is will not change it.
I have a feeling (and i could be wrong) but i think the second a company (whoever that may be) releases an acceptable, fun new PvP oriented MMORPG--you'll be one of the first to go running in to her arms
Nope
I don't blame you for that-we are all waiting for the next good PVP oriented MMORPG (Sweet Jesus please let it be Aion)--and if AoC tides you over til that day.
Power to you.
I have played Aion, and it is not it. It is fast, pretty to look at, but the overall game feels soulless and questing is a bore. I will stick with AoC until maybe...oh SWTOR or...Secret World?
Thanks for sharing.
Yeah but you are probably given some special treatment in regards to your posts being deleted (i mean let's be honest here), Famine knows who you are and your willingness to defend them. (something very few are willing to do)...In fact don't think there was one "go back to WOW" response in that thread. So you are probably as well know in the AoC community (and AoC staff) as a certain correspondent. You and I know that if you turned on FC--well what kind of message would that send to readers? I remember Famine himself interjecting a post you wrote on this very forum (you know the one-right?). He reached out to you. Power is nice isn't it?
Talk about reaching for excuses. I pay just like any subscriber. I do not get anything special in return except my game time.
I have had a post deleted before (on Testlive) and I have had Silirrion (Craig) counter several of my posts with objections. I do NOT get anything special...but, what I DO get is respect for posting logically and not throwing a tirade. Try it sometime...you may be shocked.
And i have been back...for the re evaluation period. Which only made me think--this is game may have been suitable for release today in the current state...but for a year of release time--Im not sure that this game is up to par. I think back to WoW at the one year mark, and it was really getting good. Tons of content, tons of new armor. WoW never deviated from their vision, and continues to build on this world they created to this day. They didn't even have a novel to copy either. While AoC is trying to play catch up--other MMORPG companies are introducing new products or building heavily on their current products. AoC is not a threat to them in any shape or form at this point (too little too late).
So, if it is NOT a threat, why all the negativity here to make it look bad in those who MAY be interested eyes? You also make it sound like we are here lying, and we are not. I have complaints. I complain about Funcom on my blog, on Twitter. But, I do not think anyone is killing my responses. I like the game a lot, but it is not anywhere near perfect...and maybe that is its appeal. Rough game with some unqiue aspects that other DikU based MMO's do not offer.
Also, no one is saying AoC is a threat. I can vouch for the fact that Funcom lost that a year ago. But, I also do not believe it will be closing its doors...no matter how hard you close your eyes and wish it to. Sorry. It is fun, and I am enjoying myself...and I do not need to lie about it. Go look at my game time on XFire and see how much fun I am having IN THE GAME.
The biggest threat to AoC (Ironically) is probably SW, because since so many people have ill will towards FC--the only people who may give SW a chance are current AoC fans...it'll be interesting to see if FC promotes SW amongst their current AoC base. Take from one pocket and put in another.
Agreed...so you understand, like LOTRO, EQ2, WAR, and many other games...AoC is a NICHE game. A limited subscribership by a particular audience. It will stay as long as the niche player enjoys themselves....and guess what. All your complaining about being denied a voice, and shouting to the MMORPG.com masses about how bad the game is will not change it.
I have a feeling (and i could be wrong) but i think the second a company (whoever that may be) releases an acceptable, fun new PvP oriented MMORPG--you'll be one of the first to go running in to her arms
Nope
I don't blame you for that-we are all waiting for the next good PVP oriented MMORPG (Sweet Jesus please let it be Aion)--and if AoC tides you over til that day.
Power to you.
I have played Aion, and it is not it. It is fast, pretty to look at, but the overall game feels soulless and questing is a bore. I will stick with AoC until maybe...oh SWTOR or...Secret World?
Thanks for sharing.
So let me get this straight.
You are saying that you are in constant contact with Craig. Famine (AoC's Damage Control) jumped on these very Forums to BEG you to reconsider giving AoC a second chance...and no special treatment? (I can find that post if you like...when was that....May i think?). I think Famine chasing you around the boards is special treatment.
As far as Aion.. why is it you are so quick to write it off in Bata but you're willing to give a buggy crashy game like AoC a whole year...just to become playable? Smells fishy. You're not adding up
You find exploiting players, Poor glitchy graphics, a disfunctional economy, A laughable crafting system, broken sieges...fun? Maybe you enjoy the art of searching websites for badges (in english and non english) too?
Alright chief if you say so.
I guess there's no accounting for taste.
Tell me what other games you like so I can avoid them like the plague-lol
So let me get this straight.
You are saying that you are in constant contact with Craig. Famine (AoC's Damage Control) jumped on these very Forums to BEG you to reconsider giving AoC a second chance...and no special treatment? (I can find that post if you like...when was that....May i think?). I think Famine chasing you around the boards is special treatment.
Let me get this straight. I got a response (JUST one) here on MMORPG.com, and I get special treatment? I get a response, like so many others have on the AoC forums, and I get special treatment?
Maybe I do get responses because I discuss...not argue, call names, or attack with my posts. (oh, and if I do, which I did on Testlive, it gets deleted, just like any attack post should).
Again, I say...try it. You may learn something.
As far as Aion.. why is it you are so quick to write it off in Bata but you're willing to give a buggy crashy game like AoC a whole year...just to become playable? Smells fishy. You're not adding up
WRONG! I Gave AoC 30 days, and I was gone (I left at launch). I also will give Aion 30 days. But, based on the "structure" of the game (which has nothing to do with it being beta), I am already leery. But, I give all games a fair chance if I am interested. (PS: I do not crash in AoC...maybe get your system checked out?)
You find exploiting players, Poor glitchy graphics, a disfunctional economy, A laughable crafting system, broken sieges...fun? Maybe you enjoy the art of searching websites for badges (in english and non english) too?
I am sorry, I do not understand these issues, and do not experience them. Economy in the game is thriving right now, crafting is actually something I hate about MMO's, but like in AoC because it is not required of me, or does not take away from my gaming. I have been in sieges with no issues (and have been in sieges with issues...but I also have been in raids in other games that fall over...so what is different here?)
Yes, I know Funcom screwed up the year anniversary, and I never said I like Funcom, but I do like AoC.
Alright chief if you say so.
I guess there's no accounting for taste.
Tell me what other games you like so I can avoid them like the plague-lol
Please do, as I can see your taste does not match mine...thus why we have opinions of games we like or dislike. Now, why are you NOT in a forum of a game you DO like?
Cheers
yet nother global total general universal complaint thread, that nobody can make sense of, a whole wall of text to say that the game is no good because of something about something in something that happened amany moons ago...
ill gladly rate this as the most stupid complaint this week on this forum.
Yet another thread to let us know how much it annoys the haters that AoC is doing great.
My favourite complains thus far is; "The trees look boring", and ofc all the complaints about the launch (getting old, guys).
I really never could understand why people would spend so much time on something they say is not worth their time (and sorry, but I really don't believe the "I wanna sacrifice hours and hours of forum time to save the innocent from trying the game")
"nerf rock, paper is working as intended."
- Scissors.
Head Chop
I bought the game about a week ago and have been having fun. I think people forget to realize this game just turned 1 year old, it's still very young.
Currently Playing: Toying around with AoC and bored with Darkfall
Thinking of Playing: Fallen Earth or Darkfall after this months update.
Have Played: EQ1, EQ2, WoW, WAR, Vanguard, EvE, Requiem, PW, Lotro, Lineage2, AoC, SWG...
Honesty, who cares how well AoC does. Its been out for awhile now, let the players decide whether they like it or not. I personally grew bored of AoC in 2-3 weeks but that doesnt mean someone wouldn't enjoy it. The combat system alone is enough to keep it alive because its different then most other mmorpgs out these days.
"I play Tera for the gameplay"
Yet a nother Norwegian who doesn't like his country's crowned achievement criticised. Also lying about the state of the game too. What a shocker. If only the OP predicted this...in some way...
Yet a nother Norwegian who doesn't like his country's crowned achievement criticised. Also lying about the state of the game too. What a shocker. If only the OP predicted this...in some way...
Crowned achievement? lol. If you think that this is the best thing that came out of Norway, then it just proves how ignorant you really are.
Yet a nother Norwegian who doesn't like his country's crowned achievement criticised. Also lying about the state of the game too. What a shocker. If only the OP predicted this...in some way...
On the contrary. Just try to keep it rational (ops, too late)
I'm not saying the game is perfect (who would claim any mmorpg is?)
I'm just saying the "the trees look boring" and the "Funcom owes me an apologie" arguments amuse me.
So I don't want to offend, but it seems like the improved state of the game manages to do that by itself:)
"nerf rock, paper is working as intended."
- Scissors.
Head Chop
See how that statement can AND probably does apply to EACH and EVERY MMO on the market today? Seriously think about it.
"If I offended you, you needed it" -Corey Taylor
I've waded through a lot of shitty games lately and a lot that weren't shitty but not for me. I do not see what population problems you are talking about. I play on "Set" and I see tons of people at all hours- no joke. As for publishing population numbers, there really aren't publishers who will release their numbers so that the public can unfairly compare them the the Warcraft Behemoth- not that WoW doesn't deserve the recognition for them- but would you want to publish your sub-million player stats next to that?
A witty saying proves nothing.
-Voltaire
See how that statement can AND probably does apply to EACH and EVERY MMO on the market today? Seriously think about it.
I know, math is hard.
The point isn't how many players quit. WoW has probably lost MILLIONS of players. We need to look at the PERCENTAGE of players who quit and who didn't quit.
Even if WoW has lost millions of subscribers, that's still less than 50%. Age of Conan however once had 750k subscriptions and have since then lost about 700k of them.
That means that only about 7% of players have stayed with AoC while about 93% of players have QUIT.
Who cares about the ones that left? Niche is another kind of thing, WoW isn't niche.
I quit too, came back and quit again because I like different kind of game. Those who stick with the game and like it are the ones that matter. Their opinions are good because likeminded people might read them and go have fun with the game.
Your kinds of should aim at the Aion forums. Aion is the one that will destroy WoW in Asia and Europe (maybe Oceanics too). US can be a bit hard because they are biased to homeland companies, they will go for Blizzards next game what ever that will be.
Here the link to help you out of your loop: www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/category/374
Can you really be that stupid? The fact is that these numbers are pure speculations. If Funcom publically announces them they make it official. Can you tell the difference between speculations and official announcement?
Lets take for example a man who saw alien - untill he heards from some official source that there in fact are aliens around he will be doubting his own sanity, his own self perception ... as much as some doubt those small numbers in AoC subscriptions - AoC numbers would be announced if the number would be around 500k to 1 million. But since sieges STILL don't work ... we shall wait and see.
I've waded through a lot of shitty games lately and a lot that weren't shitty but not for me. I do not see what population problems you are talking about. I play on "Set" and I see tons of people at all hours- no joke. As for publishing population numbers, there really aren't publishers who will release their numbers so that the public can unfairly compare them the the Warcraft Behemoth- not that WoW doesn't deserve the recognition for them- but would you want to publish your sub-million player stats next to that?
Everyone knows AoC has about 50k-100k subscriptions.
Really? Then if EVERYONE knows, it must be because it is printed somewhere...yet, are you not arguing they do not tell anyone these numbers?
How do YOU know? Because you are speculating. Better yet, really you ass*u*me there are that many players, because you want it to be that many to prove your invalid points.
Why not stop taking this off topic. This is not about population, so please sit this thread out.
Thanks
Yet a nother Norwegian who doesn't like his country's crowned achievement criticised. Also lying about the state of the game too. What a shocker. If only the OP predicted this...in some way...
Crowned achievement? lol. If you think that this is the best thing that came out of Norway, then it just proves how ignorant you really are.
ok--I exaggerated.....but so did he when he said AoC is doing great!
All Apologies
Is that so? BWHAHAHA. You should write children's books w/ all your story telling, Mother Goose. Maybe you could write one about a little boy that's so mad, lonely and bitter, he can't let go and has to try and bash something that other people are enjoying through lies, misinformation and slander. You'd have tons of life material to reflect on.
Stop just making things up, you moron.
How would you explain the fact that there are so many Norwegian users on this forum? Lol, even YOU are a Norwegian
We are talking about a country of a couple of million people, yet so many hardcore fans here are from Norway. This is no coincidence. There are more Norwegian users because:
1. They are patriotic
or
2. They are somehow affiliated with Funcom (employees, family, etc)
This leads to a very important question:
If indeed most of these Norwegian users only defend Funcom because it's a Norwegian company, how can they be objective? They might not be straight up lying, but they are probably giving bias and false information.
Lets take you as an example, Crashloop. You are from Norway and seem to be VERY active in defending AoC and Funcom. Do you think you are being objective, or maybe a little bias because of patriotism?
I'm not trying to attack Norwegian posters, so please don't be affended
This post made me laugh, if anything it's a cute conspiracy theory.
Playing: Battlefield - Bad company (Xbox360) Arma2, DFO (PC)
On my radar: TSW, MO
MMO's played: SWG (pre cu/cu), WoW, AoC, WAR, DFO, Planetside
MMO's that I have tested: Lotro, L2, Aion, Ryzom
Is that so? BWHAHAHA. You should write children's books w/ all your story telling, Mother Goose. Maybe you could write one about a little boy that's so mad, lonely and bitter, he can't let go and has to try and bash something that other people are enjoying through lies, misinformation and slander. You'd have tons of life material to reflect on.
Stop just making things up, you moron.
lol that babyboybill guy is a random number generator, i think some people by force of lestening to the media crap while beeing not very well educated, start thinking that people just start throwing random numbers at each other when they debate a subject.