The thing I find amazing is that last year the idea of any MMORPG winning Game of the Year on a popular gaming site would have been laughable, but now that WoW has achieved the previously unachievable, a bunch of people have to post on MMORPG.COM to say that an FPS (LMFAO - my aching sides!!) is better!
There really is no accounting for taste, but thanks for the laughs guys.
Originally posted by jimothypetro I can understand bext MMORPG of the year, but best PC game of the year? Well, I just lost alot of respect for Gamespot... Better than Half-Life 2, Doom 3, and some others? I don't think so...And why did you have to throw in EQ2 into your post again?---------------------------------- "There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home." -- Ken Olson, chairman of Digital Equipment Corp, 1977
Half-Life 2 gotta be the most worthless game ever made... Short, easy and the most pattern game I've ever seen. Regret I spent $50 bucks on that shit.
WoW deservs best MMO AND GoTY award.
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Firemagic, the guys behind Gamespot are people, just like us. Just because those guys get payed to give an opinion doesn't necissarely mean they're right or wrong. It's just their opinion, it doesn't make it a fact. People put way too much trust into reviewers. Just as Gamespy, by the way. Before you start flaming me. I do think Half Life 2 was the best game of 2004, but it was that for me. Sorry if I sound a bit vague I hope you know what I mean.
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If ignorance is bliss, you'd think people would be happier when you point out what morons they are!
Originally posted by Imperatorian Firemagic, the guys behind Gamespot are people, just like us. Just because those guys get payed to give an opinion doesn't necissarely mean they're right or wrong. It's just their opinion, it doesn't make it a fact. People put way too much trust into reviewers. Just as Gamespy, by the way. Before you start flaming me. I do think Half Life 2 was the best game of 2004, but it was that for me. Sorry if I sound a bit vague I hope you know what I mean.Thanks.If ignorance is bliss, you'd think people would be happier when you point out what morons they are!
I totally agree. In the same way that some people disagree with the Oscars, people will disagree with the results of these awards.
It doesn't take away from the fact that the people who judge the awards are professionals who've been working in the gaming industry for years, and it doesn't take away from the fact that an MMORPG has won the Game of the Year award on Gamespot - something I'm surprised more people who post here aren't excited about.
In my opinion RPS cannot get a GOY award because it is so limited. What is HL2? You go in you shoot, you follow a storyline a bit perhaps, thats it! You have to see the broad spectrum, only MMORPGs are big enough games to hold the title game of the year becuase you can play it FOREVER. Now, it doesnt mean that only a game that u can play forever may will hold the GOY title, it only means that a game that provides LIMITLESS EXPERIENCE may be elected as GOY. HL2 is just not that, you CANT play HL2 forever, you WILL beat it eventually, you CANT beat WoW. Its like comparinga mug of beer with a river of beer, maybe that one mug tastes better for a shortwhile, but it ends fast and all you are left with is a nasty aftertaste. You cant realy compary HL2 to WoW, HL2 is like FPS with only one level compared to exactly same FPS with zillion levels. Another stone in the face of FPS-fanboys - We still see a LOT of people playing UO, a true revolutioneer in the world of MMORPGS. Does any1 ever see people play DOOM1 or DOOM2??? HL2 is a good game, it may bring some new ideas and technologies, but its NOT revolutionary, nor should it even be considered for GOY. End of Story. If ya dont like what im saying, screw you, im sticking to my opinion
Originally posted by jimmyman99 In my opinion RPS cannot get a GOY award because it is so limited. What is HL2? You go in you shoot, you follow a storyline a bit perhaps, thats it! You have to see the broad spectrum, only MMORPGs are big enough games to hold the title game of the year becuase you can play it FOREVER. Now, it doesnt mean that only a game that u can play forever may will hold the GOY title, it only means that a game that provides LIMITLESS EXPERIENCE may be elected as GOY. HL2 is just not that, you CANT play HL2 forever, you WILL beat it eventually, you CANT beat WoW. Its like comparinga mug of beer with a river of beer, maybe that one mug tastes better for a shortwhile, but it ends fast and all you are left with is a nasty aftertaste. You cant realy compary HL2 to WoW, HL2 is like FPS with only one level compared to exactly same FPS with zillion levels. Another stone in the face of FPS-fanboys - We still see a LOT of people playing UO, a true revolutioneer in the world of MMORPGS. Does any1 ever see people play DOOM1 or DOOM2??? HL2 is a good game, it may bring some new ideas and technologies, but its NOT revolutionary, nor should it even be considered for GOY. End of Story. If ya dont like what im saying, screw you, im sticking to my opinion "The only thing that is better then a bottle of beer is a bottle of beer full of beer" - old Gnomish proverb http://wow.allakhazam.com/profile.html?13268 http://wow.allakhazam.com/profile.html?13307
You also pay to be able to play it "Forever". But it all depends on the gaming experience, not as much on the time spent. I've spent 15 hours on Half Life and maybe 12 on Half Life 2, but those were some real quality 12 and 15 hours. And I'm still playing CS and CS: Source. Which means that CS has had more longetivity for me then all MMORPG's I've ever played. With no extra costs. So actually, in your eyes ALL games EXCEPT for MMORPG's should be disqualified, since they (ALL games not just FPS'es) usually can't be played as long as MMORPG's? That's where the MMORPG section is for.
If you think WoW is the game of the year, then fine. If gamespot thinks so too, fine again, GameSpot is crap in my opinion but if it isn't in yours, more power to you. I'm very happy for you that you like your game, but I just disagree with WoW being GOTY. Half Life 2 had FIVE TIMES more votes to be GOTY as WoW, which is quite something.
If ignorance is bliss, you'd think people would be happier when you point out what morons they are!
Originally posted by Imperatorian Originally posted by jimmyman99 In my opinion RPS cannot get a GOY award because it is so limited. What is HL2? You go in you shoot, you follow a storyline a bit perhaps, thats it! You have to see the broad spectrum, only MMORPGs are big enough games to hold the title game of the year becuase you can play it FOREVER. Now, it doesnt mean that only a game that u can play forever may will hold the GOY title, it only means that a game that provides LIMITLESS EXPERIENCE may be elected as GOY. HL2 is just not that, you CANT play HL2 forever, you WILL beat it eventually, you CANT beat WoW. Its like comparinga mug of beer with a river of beer, maybe that one mug tastes better for a shortwhile, but it ends fast and all you are left with is a nasty aftertaste. You cant realy compary HL2 to WoW, HL2 is like FPS with only one level compared to exactly same FPS with zillion levels. Another stone in the face of FPS-fanboys - We still see a LOT of people playing UO, a true revolutioneer in the world of MMORPGS. Does any1 ever see people play DOOM1 or DOOM2??? HL2 is a good game, it may bring some new ideas and technologies, but its NOT revolutionary, nor should it even be considered for GOY. End of Story. If ya dont like what im saying, screw you, im sticking to my opinion "The only thing that is better then a bottle of beer is a bottle of beer full of beer" - old Gnomish proverb http://wow.allakhazam.com/profile.html?13268 http://wow.allakhazam.com/profile.html?13307
You also pay to be able to play it "Forever". But it all depends on the gaming experience, not as much on the time spent. I've spent 15 hours on Half Life and maybe 12 on Half Life 2, but those were some real quality 12 and 15 hours. And I'm still playing CS and CS: Source. Which means that CS has had more longetivity for me then all MMORPG's I've ever played. With no extra costs. So actually, in your eyes ALL games EXCEPT for MMORPG's should be disqualified, since they (ALL games not just FPS'es) usually can't be played as long as MMORPG's? That's where the MMORPG section is for.
If you think WoW is the game of the year, then fine. If gamespot thinks so too, fine again, GameSpot is crap in my opinion but if it isn't in yours, more power to you. I'm very happy for you that you like your game, but I just disagree with WoW being GOTY. Half Life 2 had FIVE TIMES more votes to be GOTY as WoW, which is quite something.
If ignorance is bliss, you'd think people would be happier when you point out what morons they are!
At the moment, no FPS comes close to being GOY, except perhaps Planetside. Planetside does have some elements of MMORPG but is still far away from being as playable as MMORPG. Its just too easy to hit the cap level and from there it becomes just FPS, since you get no advancement after that. Im not sure if merit sytem has been implemented there yet, but its not tangible enough. You say you had some best exp in 12 hours... I had some best EXP in 2 weeks, which one do you think is worth more? Furthermore, WoW can capture my attention, and attention of thousands of people for MONTHS and YEARS. I think WoW will beat EQ in number of people playing it for MONTHS and YEARS. HalfLife2 may initialy capture a lot of audience, but once they "beat" the game, once they play the same map, use the same guns long enough they WILL get tired of it. I played CounterStrike for a year, but I played EQ for 3 and I expect to play WoW for at least another year or two, who knows how long I will. The point that Im trying to prove, HL2 cannot provide me, nor anyone else with a constant changable content and gameplay - It will always be aim and shoot. Its fun, no doubt about it, but its neither original nor revolutionary. WoW, however, brought the unique trait into the gaming world - its gameplay, which doesnt get old because u can play it with so many different styles, heck u can even stop fighting and just craft, explore or do some quests. This unique replayability is the thing that makes this game best of the best in 2004. If HL2 would have something like planetside does, then I personaly would consider it to be able to win GOY, but its just another half-life clone, with better graphics and a different story
I play this game, and I can't see how WoW got Game of the Year. It's the same old Fantasy RPG with Blizzards world wrapped around it. Best MMO of the year? Probably...I could deal with that.
I know this is alot of peoples first MMO, as many are entralled with it. I could list tons of things that suck about this game, but, I wont bother. People will cry and whine. The cartoon graphics are nice sometimes, and the seamless world is great, etc...I think the seamless world is about the only reason, I would give it MMO of the year.
But, I only play because of PvP, and , no i'm not a griefer, just enjoy a little good vs evil fighting sometimes. The other games either will not have PvP(EQ2) or the PvP is Dev-destroyed (SWG), or its DAOC ( I know they're coming out with a new expansion, but, whatever). I'm not into men in tights, so CoH is out for me ( CoV is supposed to have PvP the last I heard).
Its all about taste realy. Some people like this some like that. To me, it doesnt matter if gamespot announces WoW GOY. What matters to me is that in my opinion, it is GOY. If you think differently, thats your privilige. Gamespot hit the nail. WOW RULZ!!!
Originally posted by jimmyman99 Originally posted by Imperatorian Originally posted by jimmyman99 In my opinion RPS cannot get a GOY award because it is so limited. What is HL2? You go in you shoot, you follow a storyline a bit perhaps, thats it! You have to see the broad spectrum, only MMORPGs are big enough games to hold the title game of the year becuase you can play it FOREVER. Now, it doesnt mean that only a game that u can play forever may will hold the GOY title, it only means that a game that provides LIMITLESS EXPERIENCE may be elected as GOY. HL2 is just not that, you CANT play HL2 forever, you WILL beat it eventually, you CANT beat WoW. Its like comparinga mug of beer with a river of beer, maybe that one mug tastes better for a shortwhile, but it ends fast and all you are left with is a nasty aftertaste. You cant realy compary HL2 to WoW, HL2 is like FPS with only one level compared to exactly same FPS with zillion levels. Another stone in the face of FPS-fanboys - We still see a LOT of people playing UO, a true revolutioneer in the world of MMORPGS. Does any1 ever see people play DOOM1 or DOOM2??? HL2 is a good game, it may bring some new ideas and technologies, but its NOT revolutionary, nor should it even be considered for GOY. End of Story. If ya dont like what im saying, screw you, im sticking to my opinion "The only thing that is better then a bottle of beer is a bottle of beer full of beer" - old Gnomish proverb http://wow.allakhazam.com/profile.html?13268 http://wow.allakhazam.com/profile.html?13307
You also pay to be able to play it "Forever". But it all depends on the gaming experience, not as much on the time spent. I've spent 15 hours on Half Life and maybe 12 on Half Life 2, but those were some real quality 12 and 15 hours. And I'm still playing CS and CS: Source. Which means that CS has had more longetivity for me then all MMORPG's I've ever played. With no extra costs. So actually, in your eyes ALL games EXCEPT for MMORPG's should be disqualified, since they (ALL games not just FPS'es) usually can't be played as long as MMORPG's? That's where the MMORPG section is for.
If you think WoW is the game of the year, then fine. If gamespot thinks so too, fine again, GameSpot is crap in my opinion but if it isn't in yours, more power to you. I'm very happy for you that you like your game, but I just disagree with WoW being GOTY. Half Life 2 had FIVE TIMES more votes to be GOTY as WoW, which is quite something.
If ignorance is bliss, you'd think people would be happier when you point out what morons they are!
WoW, however, brought the unique trait into the gaming world - its gameplay, which doesnt get old because u can play it with so many different styles, heck u can even stop fighting and just craft, explore or do some quests. This unique replayability is the thing that makes this game best of the best in 2004.
Yes. Which is exactly what you can do in many other MMORPG's too. So WoW is not revolutionary either. I'm sorry. As I said, I think WoW may very well be the best MMORPG out here, but not the GOTY 2004. For me. But it's no point discussing and I'm sorry, since you won't change my mind and I won't change yours. I respect your opinion though.
If ignorance is bliss, you'd think people would be happier when you point out what morons they are!
Yes. Which is exactly what you can do in many other MMORPG's too. So WoW is not revolutionary either. I'm sorry. As I said, I think WoW may very well be the best MMORPG out here, but not the GOTY 2004. For me. But it's no point discussing and I'm sorry, since you won't change my mind and I won't change yours. I respect your opinion though.
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I have to disagree with you. NO MMORPG currently on the market provides anything close to the WoW experience. Some may say EQ2 does, but EQ2 doesnt even have PvP, and PvP is a HUGE part of WoW gameplay, not to mention storyline. With upcoming battlegrounds, WoW will even go further. Let me try to differentiate what unique traits WoW has: - A VERY flexible play-style, NO MMORPG up to this date could come up with such flexible system. - a solid storyline - very well balanced classes, and they are balanced towards both PvP and PvE, not just one of them
Those are traits that no game (in my experience, and i played about 95% of major MMORPGs) had. WoW has more traits that some games have: stability, clean game (very little bugs), nice graphics (dont even try to bring the "cartooney" argument again, its all about preferences, but from technical stand of point, WoW has good graphics, nothing cutting edge, but enjoyable and pleasing to the eye, unlike "doll" like EQ2 graphics) etc. Basically, when making an unbiased decision about what game is better you have to take into consideration NOT only how nice it looks, but also how fun it is AND how LONG you will have your fun with it. With HL2 you wont play it long, maybe a year, maybe two, but eventually, people will get tired of playing same old level, having same old guns. Skins may help a bit but in general, the game is just point and shoot. Routine kills the game. Thats why most games that enforce grind dont stay on the market long. WoW doesnt suppot that, WoW has many ways to play the game.
HL2 is probably a dissapointment because it failed to move the FPS genre further like the first HL did. But the first HL was also just a FPS.
It's linear games with no real stories and some quality scripted action.
To say that HL2 is revolutionary in any way seems stupid to me. I felt it was very limited in design and boring aswell.
Perhaps the story was one of the biggest flawed. Incompetent voice acting compared to Knights of the old republic, Cinematics, script and Dialouge pathetic compared to MGS3(Which won deservely for best story).
HL2 is a better game than Halo 2! Why Halo 2 sold over 5 million copies in less than 3 weekes is beyond me, but I thought HL2 was much better than Halo 2 in single player. Multiplayer another story though.
The physics of HL2 are great but not revolutionary or put to great use(play Psi-Ops)! Havoc2 enginen has been proven and seen before. Source lacks the massive amount of freedom, draw distance and action on the same time that Far Cry had! HL2 was just to straight farward and simple!
It's simply no Goldeneye or Quake! It lacks the scary exitement of System Shock 2! It does not have the great plot twists of Deus Ex! It lacks the massive free roaming of Halo! It's just not that good.
That is probably the cake! The reason for its succes!
WoW is an incredible, newbie friendly, accesable and non time consuming game. These factors alone, combined with its world record breaking sales proves how easy this game is to get into.
Come on - Its pretty much pay to play massive Diablo! Straight farward!
Simple class system, easy to balance! A few races, a little character creation, overly simple crafting, no player housing, almost non excisiting player complexity! - Its all cut and paper with no freedom to play what you want. In SWG you can be a dancing sniper wookie with cooking skills! And thats from the hole UO rute! WoW is much more easy to get into and master and understand.
Its not ambitious at all! Look at SWG - Tried to do crazy stuff! Like full player run economy, deep crafting, original open ended skill based system, player created content, player cities, organic evolving static communitys and so on..
And look at SWG now! And its the same... It was the same with Anarchy Online! Same with EQ2!
Games who limits themself in design like WoW, City of heroes and planetside tend to succed based on this.
Yes people will probably move away from WoW but new will come, and in the end 120% more popularity has just come to MMORPGs which is good for everyone in the MMO industry.
Because of this - WoW is setting new standards for gameplay.
Hopefully the days of camping a spot is gone, where hand content has been created from start to finish.
Gamespot has clearly first discovered how an amazing and addicting feeling MMOs can be.
Gamespot probably are among the jaden crowed who never understood what the fuss about MMO was about. They can see that now. Lets hope allot of people will aspring to other MMOs who still deserve attention like EVE and Planetside:-)
Oh please, if Eq2 had won the GOTY award you all be like, ohh sony rocks, see? gamespot is right, but it didnt, so now you are pissed.
And now because eq2 has less critic success than WOW you dont like gamespot??? give me a break.
And about the hl2 vs wow issuse, which is stupid in the first place, because THEY ARE DIFFERENT GENRE- they only choose the game with higher score, so whats the difference?? 3 points??
And in that case the chronicles if riddick would be a better FPS.
From my experience, everything above 9 points in gamespot is a great game, those guys take too much consideration of bugs and stuff like that can be easily resolved, or what game is more polished.
They are both great games in my book, why fighting for 3 stupids points???
Originally posted by kulgan18 Oh please, if Eq2 had won the GOTY award you all be like, ohh sony rocks, see? gamespot is right, but it didnt, so now you are pissed. And now because eq2 has less critic success than WOW you dont like gamespot??? give me a break. And about the hl2 vs wow issuse, which is stupid in the first place, because THEY ARE DIFFERENT GENRE- they only choose the game with higher score, so whats the difference?? 3 points?? And in that case the chronicles if riddick would be a better FPS. From my experience, everything above 9 points in gamespot is a great game, those guys take too much consideration of bugs and stuff like that can be easily resolved, or what game is more polished. They are both great games in my book, why fighting for 3 stupids points???
If you're talking about me, no. EQ2 is a worse game, in my opinion, then WoW I admit. I bought EQ2 and beta tested WoW. I always thought Gamespot were shite reviewers.
But hey, wether you dislike or like WoW, who gives a shoite about what some reviewers think?
If ignorance is bliss, you'd think people would be happier when you point out what morons they are!
What i said is that the same people that are bashing gamespot, would be thrilled if eq2 have gotten a good review, i swear that when the first reviews of wow came out with good score, people said, bah that site is a piece of crap, wait till gamespot review comes out. Well...is out.
By your same logic, why do you care if WOW is choosed game of the year then
People care about gamespot is because the have a reputation of being objective and professional about what they do, and mainly they got a lot of experience with games. We dont know how is the process of them, but how do you know there there isnt a bunch of other people cooperating in the review, giving their opinions??.
Finally gamespot also agrees with you that eq2 is a worse game than wow, so if their opinion is the same as you, it cant be all that shity right?( unless you consider your own opinion shity, which i doubt).
The only reason i care about gamespot, is because they seem to have my same taste of games(along with a lot of people i think), so every time i buy something that got good score in gamespot, i have love it, everytime.
actually, as i think i have said before (i have somewhere, mabye not on these forums), i mostly agree with the score that Gamespot gave EQ2, and i mostly agree with the score they gave WoW, although not compltetly. If EQ2 won GOTY I wouldn't agree with that either. It hasn't really done anything revolutionary. There havent been any MMOs this year in my opinion that have done anything revolutionary. its all a matter of opinion of course, but i just don't think any MMO recently released except for Horizons has done anything revolutionary, but that wasn't a good enough game all the way around as it could/should have been. ok, well Horizons wasn't relased just recently anyways lol but the property system was pretty damn cool. you can think what you want but i just don't really agree with giving any recent MMO GOTY.
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Yeah and I remember a few years ago when PC Gamer mag gave Quake III the game of the year award.... wonder why there was never a Quake IV?
WoW is ok but considering the login server is down again as I type this, the database still lags, 3 out of 4 mobs runs through me then rubberbands back in front of me if I am lucky or attacks me from behind if I'm not, and there are still a crapload of the amazing quests that are bugged, game of the year it isn't.
By far the best PC game of the year, a clear winner.
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WoW: Best MMORPG, maybe. (Not enough challenge for me personally though, but a very fun MMO nonetheless)
WoW: Best game of the year? Un-f'ing-likely.
GameSpot is shite though. Sorry, never liked them. Best stick to IGN, wait what they say.
If ignorance is bliss, you'd think people would be happier when you point out what morons they are!
The thing I find amazing is that last year the idea of any MMORPG winning Game of the Year on a popular gaming site would have been laughable, but now that WoW has achieved the previously unachievable, a bunch of people have to post on MMORPG.COM to say that an FPS (LMFAO - my aching sides!!) is better!
There really is no accounting for taste, but thanks for the laughs guys.
Half-Life 2 gotta be the most worthless game ever made... Short, easy and the most pattern game I've ever seen. Regret I spent $50 bucks on that shit.
WoW deservs best MMO AND GoTY award.
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Heres what people voted for as the GoTY. Hmmm.....
http://goty.gamespy.com/2004/fanvote/index12.html
...and to think allmost 5 times as many people voted for HL2 to be GoTY than WoW! *gasp*!
Firemagic, the guys behind Gamespot are people, just like us. Just because those guys get payed to give an opinion doesn't necissarely mean they're right or wrong. It's just their opinion, it doesn't make it a fact. People put way too much trust into reviewers. Just as Gamespy, by the way. Before you start flaming me. I do think Half Life 2 was the best game of 2004, but it was that for me. Sorry if I sound a bit vague I hope you know what I mean.
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If ignorance is bliss, you'd think people would be happier when you point out what morons they are!
I totally agree. In the same way that some people disagree with the Oscars, people will disagree with the results of these awards.
It doesn't take away from the fact that the people who judge the awards are professionals who've been working in the gaming industry for years, and it doesn't take away from the fact that an MMORPG has won the Game of the Year award on Gamespot - something I'm surprised more people who post here aren't excited about.
YAY WOW wins wooooooot.
WOW is the king of games muahahaha
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In my opinion RPS cannot get a GOY award because it is so limited. What is HL2? You go in you shoot, you follow a storyline a bit perhaps, thats it!
You have to see the broad spectrum, only MMORPGs are big enough games to hold the title game of the year becuase you can play it FOREVER. Now, it doesnt mean that only a game that u can play forever may will hold the GOY title, it only means that a game that provides LIMITLESS EXPERIENCE may be elected as GOY. HL2 is just not that, you CANT play HL2 forever, you WILL beat it eventually, you CANT beat WoW.
Its like comparinga mug of beer with a river of beer, maybe that one mug tastes better for a shortwhile, but it ends fast and all you are left with is a nasty aftertaste. You cant realy compary HL2 to WoW, HL2 is like FPS with only one level compared to exactly same FPS with zillion levels. Another stone in the face of FPS-fanboys - We still see a LOT of people playing UO, a true revolutioneer in the world of MMORPGS. Does any1 ever see people play DOOM1 or DOOM2???
HL2 is a good game, it may bring some new ideas and technologies, but its NOT revolutionary, nor should it even be considered for GOY.
End of Story. If ya dont like what im saying, screw you, im sticking to my opinion
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You also pay to be able to play it "Forever". But it all depends on the gaming experience, not as much on the time spent. I've spent 15 hours on Half Life and maybe 12 on Half Life 2, but those were some real quality 12 and 15 hours. And I'm still playing CS and CS: Source. Which means that CS has had more longetivity for me then all MMORPG's I've ever played. With no extra costs. So actually, in your eyes ALL games EXCEPT for MMORPG's should be disqualified, since they (ALL games not just FPS'es) usually can't be played as long as MMORPG's? That's where the MMORPG section is for.
If you think WoW is the game of the year, then fine. If gamespot thinks so too, fine again, GameSpot is crap in my opinion but if it isn't in yours, more power to you. I'm very happy for you that you like your game, but I just disagree with WoW being GOTY. Half Life 2 had FIVE TIMES more votes to be GOTY as WoW, which is quite something.
If ignorance is bliss, you'd think people would be happier when you point out what morons they are!
You also pay to be able to play it "Forever". But it all depends on the gaming experience, not as much on the time spent. I've spent 15 hours on Half Life and maybe 12 on Half Life 2, but those were some real quality 12 and 15 hours. And I'm still playing CS and CS: Source. Which means that CS has had more longetivity for me then all MMORPG's I've ever played. With no extra costs. So actually, in your eyes ALL games EXCEPT for MMORPG's should be disqualified, since they (ALL games not just FPS'es) usually can't be played as long as MMORPG's? That's where the MMORPG section is for.
If you think WoW is the game of the year, then fine. If gamespot thinks so too, fine again, GameSpot is crap in my opinion but if it isn't in yours, more power to you. I'm very happy for you that you like your game, but I just disagree with WoW being GOTY. Half Life 2 had FIVE TIMES more votes to be GOTY as WoW, which is quite something.
If ignorance is bliss, you'd think people would be happier when you point out what morons they are!
At the moment, no FPS comes close to being GOY, except perhaps Planetside. Planetside does have some elements of MMORPG but is still far away from being as playable as MMORPG. Its just too easy to hit the cap level and from there it becomes just FPS, since you get no advancement after that. Im not sure if merit sytem has been implemented there yet, but its not tangible enough. You say you had some best exp in 12 hours... I had some best EXP in 2 weeks, which one do you think is worth more? Furthermore, WoW can capture my attention, and attention of thousands of people for MONTHS and YEARS. I think WoW will beat EQ in number of people playing it for MONTHS and YEARS. HalfLife2 may initialy capture a lot of audience, but once they "beat" the game, once they play the same map, use the same guns long enough they WILL get tired of it. I played CounterStrike for a year, but I played EQ for 3 and I expect to play WoW for at least another year or two, who knows how long I will.
The point that Im trying to prove, HL2 cannot provide me, nor anyone else with a constant changable content and gameplay - It will always be aim and shoot. Its fun, no doubt about it, but its neither original nor revolutionary. WoW, however, brought the unique trait into the gaming world - its gameplay, which doesnt get old because u can play it with so many different styles, heck u can even stop fighting and just craft, explore or do some quests. This unique replayability is the thing that makes this game best of the best in 2004. If HL2 would have something like planetside does, then I personaly would consider it to be able to win GOY, but its just another half-life clone, with better graphics and a different story
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I play this game, and I can't see how WoW got Game of the Year. It's the same old Fantasy RPG with Blizzards world wrapped around it. Best MMO of the year? Probably...I could deal with that.
I know this is alot of peoples first MMO, as many are entralled with it. I could list tons of things that suck about this game, but, I wont bother. People will cry and whine. The cartoon graphics are nice sometimes, and the seamless world is great, etc...I think the seamless world is about the only reason, I would give it MMO of the year.
But, I only play because of PvP, and , no i'm not a griefer, just enjoy a little good vs evil fighting sometimes. The other games either will not have PvP(EQ2) or the PvP is Dev-destroyed (SWG), or its DAOC ( I know they're coming out with a new expansion, but, whatever). I'm not into men in tights, so CoH is out for me ( CoV is supposed to have PvP the last I heard).
Its all about taste realy. Some people like this some like that. To me, it doesnt matter if gamespot announces WoW GOY. What matters to me is that in my opinion, it is GOY. If you think differently, thats your privilige. Gamespot hit the nail.
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You also pay to be able to play it "Forever". But it all depends on the gaming experience, not as much on the time spent. I've spent 15 hours on Half Life and maybe 12 on Half Life 2, but those were some real quality 12 and 15 hours. And I'm still playing CS and CS: Source. Which means that CS has had more longetivity for me then all MMORPG's I've ever played. With no extra costs. So actually, in your eyes ALL games EXCEPT for MMORPG's should be disqualified, since they (ALL games not just FPS'es) usually can't be played as long as MMORPG's? That's where the MMORPG section is for.
If you think WoW is the game of the year, then fine. If gamespot thinks so too, fine again, GameSpot is crap in my opinion but if it isn't in yours, more power to you. I'm very happy for you that you like your game, but I just disagree with WoW being GOTY. Half Life 2 had FIVE TIMES more votes to be GOTY as WoW, which is quite something.
If ignorance is bliss, you'd think people would be happier when you point out what morons they are!
WoW, however, brought the unique trait into the gaming world - its gameplay, which doesnt get old because u can play it with so many different styles, heck u can even stop fighting and just craft, explore or do some quests. This unique replayability is the thing that makes this game best of the best in 2004.
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Yes. Which is exactly what you can do in many other MMORPG's too. So WoW is not revolutionary either. I'm sorry. As I said, I think WoW may very well be the best MMORPG out here, but not the GOTY 2004. For me. But it's no point discussing and I'm sorry, since you won't change my mind and I won't change yours. I respect your opinion though.
If ignorance is bliss, you'd think people would be happier when you point out what morons they are!
Yes. Which is exactly what you can do in many other MMORPG's too. So WoW is not revolutionary either. I'm sorry. As I said, I think WoW may very well be the best MMORPG out here, but not the GOTY 2004. For me. But it's no point discussing and I'm sorry, since you won't change my mind and I won't change yours. I respect your opinion though.
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I have to disagree with you. NO MMORPG currently on the market provides anything close to the WoW experience. Some may say EQ2 does, but EQ2 doesnt even have PvP, and PvP is a HUGE part of WoW gameplay, not to mention storyline. With upcoming battlegrounds, WoW will even go further. Let me try to differentiate what unique traits WoW has:
- A VERY flexible play-style, NO MMORPG up to this date could come up with such flexible system.
- a solid storyline
- very well balanced classes, and they are balanced towards both PvP and PvE, not just one of them
Those are traits that no game (in my experience, and i played about 95% of major MMORPGs) had. WoW has more traits that some games have: stability, clean game (very little bugs), nice graphics (dont even try to bring the "cartooney" argument again, its all about preferences, but from technical stand of point, WoW has good graphics, nothing cutting edge, but enjoyable and pleasing to the eye, unlike "doll" like EQ2 graphics) etc.
Basically, when making an unbiased decision about what game is better you have to take into consideration NOT only how nice it looks, but also how fun it is AND how LONG you will have your fun with it. With HL2 you wont play it long, maybe a year, maybe two, but eventually, people will get tired of playing same old level, having same old guns. Skins may help a bit but in general, the game is just point and shoot. Routine kills the game. Thats why most games that enforce grind dont stay on the market long. WoW doesnt suppot that, WoW has many ways to play the game.
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Of course HL2 only won because CS: Source.
HL2 is probably a dissapointment because it failed to move the FPS genre further like the first HL did. But the first HL was also just a FPS.
It's linear games with no real stories and some quality scripted action.
To say that HL2 is revolutionary in any way seems stupid to me. I felt it was very limited in design and boring aswell.
Perhaps the story was one of the biggest flawed. Incompetent voice acting compared to Knights of the old republic, Cinematics, script and Dialouge pathetic compared to MGS3(Which won deservely for best story).
HL2 is a better game than Halo 2! Why Halo 2 sold over 5 million copies in less than 3 weekes is beyond me, but I thought HL2 was much better than Halo 2 in single player. Multiplayer another story though.
The physics of HL2 are great but not revolutionary or put to great use(play Psi-Ops)! Havoc2 enginen has been proven and seen before. Source lacks the massive amount of freedom, draw distance and action on the same time that Far Cry had! HL2 was just to straight farward and simple!
It's simply no Goldeneye or Quake! It lacks the scary exitement of System Shock 2! It does not have the great plot twists of Deus Ex! It lacks the massive free roaming of Halo! It's just not that good.
If you ask me of course:)
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World of Warcraft - If you read Gamespots WoW video review; http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/worldofwarcraft/media.html then you can see that they say and admit that WoW is not doing anything ambitious or revolutionary.
That is probably the cake! The reason for its succes!
WoW is an incredible, newbie friendly, accesable and non time consuming game. These factors alone, combined with its world record breaking sales proves how easy this game is to get into.
Come on - Its pretty much pay to play massive Diablo! Straight farward!
Simple class system, easy to balance! A few races, a little character creation, overly simple crafting, no player housing, almost non excisiting player complexity! - Its all cut and paper with no freedom to play what you want. In SWG you can be a dancing sniper wookie with cooking skills! And thats from the hole UO rute! WoW is much more easy to get into and master and understand.
Its not ambitious at all! Look at SWG - Tried to do crazy stuff! Like full player run economy, deep crafting, original open ended skill based system, player created content, player cities, organic evolving static communitys and so on..
And look at SWG now! And its the same... It was the same with Anarchy Online! Same with EQ2!
Games who limits themself in design like WoW, City of heroes and planetside tend to succed based on this.
Yes people will probably move away from WoW but new will come, and in the end 120% more popularity has just come to MMORPGs which is good for everyone in the MMO industry.
Because of this - WoW is setting new standards for gameplay.
Hopefully the days of camping a spot is gone, where hand content has been created from start to finish.
Gamespot has clearly first discovered how an amazing and addicting feeling MMOs can be.
Gamespot probably are among the jaden crowed who never understood what the fuss about MMO was about. They can see that now. Lets hope allot of people will aspring to other MMOs who still deserve attention like EVE and Planetside:-)
The only game this year which was revolutionary was Katamari Demacy - Thats genius game concept:) http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/puzzle/katamaridamashii/index.html?q=katamar
Oh please, if Eq2 had won the GOTY award you all be like, ohh sony rocks, see? gamespot is right, but it didnt, so now you are pissed.
And now because eq2 has less critic success than WOW you dont like gamespot??? give me a break.
And about the hl2 vs wow issuse, which is stupid in the first place, because THEY ARE DIFFERENT GENRE- they only choose the game with higher score, so whats the difference?? 3 points??
And in that case the chronicles if riddick would be a better FPS.
From my experience, everything above 9 points in gamespot is a great game, those guys take too much consideration of bugs and stuff like that can be easily resolved, or what game is more polished.
They are both great games in my book, why fighting for 3 stupids points???
If you're talking about me, no. EQ2 is a worse game, in my opinion, then WoW I admit. I bought EQ2 and beta tested WoW. I always thought Gamespot were shite reviewers.
But hey, wether you dislike or like WoW, who gives a shoite about what some reviewers think?
If ignorance is bliss, you'd think people would be happier when you point out what morons they are!
What i said is that the same people that are bashing gamespot, would be thrilled if eq2 have gotten a good review, i swear that when the first reviews of wow came out with good score, people said, bah that site is a piece of crap, wait till gamespot review comes out. Well...is out.
By your same logic, why do you care if WOW is choosed game of the year then
People care about gamespot is because the have a reputation of being objective and professional about what they do, and mainly they got a lot of experience with games. We dont know how is the process of them, but how do you know there there isnt a bunch of other people cooperating in the review, giving their opinions??.
Finally gamespot also agrees with you that eq2 is a worse game than wow, so if their opinion is the same as you, it cant be all that shity right?( unless you consider your own opinion shity, which i doubt).
The only reason i care about gamespot, is because they seem to have my same taste of games(along with a lot of people i think), so every time i buy something that got good score in gamespot, i have love it, everytime.
actually, as i think i have said before (i have somewhere, mabye not on these forums), i mostly agree with the score that Gamespot gave EQ2, and i mostly agree with the score they gave WoW, although not compltetly. If EQ2 won GOTY I wouldn't agree with that either. It hasn't really done anything revolutionary. There havent been any MMOs this year in my opinion that have done anything revolutionary. its all a matter of opinion of course, but i just don't think any MMO recently released except for Horizons has done anything revolutionary, but that wasn't a good enough game all the way around as it could/should have been. ok, well Horizons wasn't relased just recently anyways lol but the property system was pretty damn cool. you can think what you want but i just don't really agree with giving any recent MMO GOTY.
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Yeah and I remember a few years ago when PC Gamer mag gave Quake III the game of the year award.... wonder why there was never a Quake IV?
WoW is ok but considering the login server is down again as I type this, the database still lags, 3 out of 4 mobs runs through me then rubberbands back in front of me if I am lucky or attacks me from behind if I'm not, and there are still a crapload of the amazing quests that are bugged, game of the year it isn't.
I miss DAoC
Well done Blizzard, well deserved.
By far the best PC game of the year, a clear winner.
Now playing: VG (after a long break from MMORPGS)
Played for more than a month: Darkfall online, Vanguard SOH, Everquest, Horizons, WoW, SWG, Everquest II, Eve