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Hey guys, I took this from vnboards. Sorry if it was posted before.
Wondering what you all think?
Oh and the actual link is worth checking out also... I thnk the stuff below is some high lights.
Source:
http://elliotinaion.wordpress.com/2009/05/
A question for all of you rangers out there, and everyone else who pvps in Abyss!
“What brings you to Abyss?”
Most players would say- ‘the excitement of PvP and RvR’ or ‘So I can buy full ??? armor set!!!’ etc. I’m sure each person has his/her own goals.
Today, we’re going to meet a ranger with a real goal, a player worthy of the being called ‘1%’ or even ‘0.1%’
It’s probably no problem for that man to buy anything he wants. The dude who solo-pvped from rank9 soldier to rank1 soldier on a single day with 170k AP; all done on live on his video stream channel. The next day, he does it again with another 170k AP and becomes 2star lieutenant.
Now, he’s sitting with whopping 530k AP as a 5star lieutenant with guardian transformation, aiming to buy ??? longbow, a weapon that costs 614,800 AP to buy. His name is ??, an Elyos ranger from ????server.
A Link to his Armory
Q. We heard you are Chuck Norris. Could you give us a little introduction?
My name is ??. I’m 21 yrs old and I live in ??. I currently play in ???? server on Elyos side. and I run a Legion named ‘Freelancer’
We were formed under socializing purposes and nowadays we spend most our time on abyss.
Q. Whats the secret to having 7k hits on your character stat page?
I recently upgraded my computer and did a live stream for about 3 days. I called it the ‘Lets go Lieutenant’ project, where I showed how to survive in Abyss and bits of Ranger pvp. I guess people liked it a lot. Seemed like only people from my server was looking but now it seems like I get about 500 hits a day.
Q. So why are you not spending your points at 5star Lieutenant rank?
I’m actually saving for the longbow. Why..? I guess I just want to be stronger. I want to buy that bow, get it to +10 and win more. I needed a new goal to work on.
I’m at 530k now and have 80k more to go!
Q. We hear you work alone. Any particular reason?
I think almost everyone nowdays go around in groups, but I don’t think Rangers fit very well in group pvp setting. Besides, whenever there’s big pvp, the person with highest rank gets focused. It is in my best interest to not die since I’m saving for that bow.
Q. How much AP do you lose when you die at 5star Lieutenant? How are you maintaining that rank
Don’t die basically. lol
After 400k I killed a 3rank soldier and only got 350 pts. If I die I lose 5,000 AP. I thought that was lame. At this state, anyone would feel extremely pressured to stay alive. Also past 3rank soldier, everyone has a bit of PvP backbone, so it starts to get a little harder.
I’m forced to resort to repetitive quests.
After 4star Lieut its probably the safest and the fastest way to go.
Q. I’m sure everyone is dying to get their hands on your secret to AP farming
As you go up in rank, you’ll notice the pvp style changes drastically.
The way they travel, the aggressiveness, and all that stuff varies depending on the guy’s rank.
*Rank9 Soldier~ Rank1 Soldier – Rambo mode
You have nothing to fear. PIck the most croweded places to run around in. This is probably the best moments of your Aion pvp career. I didn’t run unless it went past 3v1.
I started off as Rank1 soldier and got to 2star Lieut in a day. I think I earned 169,296 there. I live streamed the whole thing.
*1star Lieut ~ 3star Lieut – A little more conservative. Guerilla time
Once you get that star, you start to change your style to guerilla warfare.
You know, hide by a frequently used roads and ambush or lure high rank players so you can fight them 1v1 some where else. If someone keeps chasing you, then keep running.
*4star Lieut – Now – Opportunist
Never. Ever. Strike unless you feel that you ahve 100% chance of winning. 95% isn’t good enough. The risk isn’t worth it.
Most AP you get at this level is from quests. I think I’m getting around 10k~30k per day now.
Q. Any personal tips to Abyss pvp?
It’s important to be a good player, but its also important to know your enemy. Armoy them on the homepage and learn the pvp styles of frequently fought enemies.
The game itself isn’t that complicated.
I think experience just really pays off.
Also, make use of your surroundings. In order to pull off a 2v1 or 3v1, you need to learn how to use the environment. For example, when people are chasing you, and you go through a building, its most likely that they’ll be spread out. Create that perfect timing for you to strike.
Lastly, don’t stop after reaching maximum flight speed increase. If you go beyond, you’ll find your flight speed increased in stealth as well. Every second counts.
Q. What was the hardest thing to deal with?
When I told my members that I was going for the ??? bow, I was told it’ll be extremely difficult to maintain that point level. Yes, it is hard but whats even more hard for me is the fact that I have to avoid all those PvP that I could’ve enjoyed. I got hotheaded for a moment today and ran out for some action and died twice.
I’d love to get that bow, but I really hate how the rank system limits you in pvp.
Q. So you’re a guardian now. How’s that as a Ranger?
Haha. well my character is female and looks a lot different from the ones you’ve seen. It sort of looks weaker.
It costs 3k AP to buy the seed required for the transformation, so it isn’t exactly used for regular occasions, as you have that burden on your back to earn more than 3k AP when you use it.
Most people probably only use it for seiges. It’s not that different from other class guardians. 80k hp. 160k mp. 10 minutes of awesomeness?
Supposedly there’s a 50% damage increase, but I don’t know. I didn’t feel that it was that much different from Lycan morph. I could floor a Templar with divine armor on when I’m a Lycan if i get a little lucky with crits, but as a Guardian its like even if that templar charges at me I can kill him without breaking a sweat.
Q. What are you gonna do after you get that bow?
There’s still tons of accessories and armor pieces that I need to buy. I think I’ll take my time and enjoy the PvP at that point.
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Comments
A ten for length, 5 for substance. I'm never impressed with whos 1% or .1%. Interesting post though. Thank you.
I thought the part about his play style depending on his rank was pretty interesting about how he avoided a lot of combat suitations... but I guess that was because he was aiming for that bow.
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if people actually read this thread its goin to make them all roll rangers...lame plus now he can sit in an instanced dungeon to farm ap
Let them all roll rangers
You will get your ass owned if you dont have the skill or patience for it.
Nice post though. Every high ranked abyss player thinks this same way. You lose to many points when you get high and dont earn enough to makeup for it. You need a 10 or 15 to 1 kill death ratio just to break even. If you are 1-1 and dont think you can win then run and run fast
Dont stop until they stop chasing you and when you are running remember to use potions to get your hp back to 100%.
I know its well annoying. I was reading Kilkil's posts and he was like "10% max are ranger"- that everyone is templar and gladiator. I love playing ranger so i was well excited, thinking ye I get to play ranger and be the minority but NO ! now everyone wants to be a ranger grr .. oh well
I do hope that people read the top .1 - 1% part of the post. This is a person who is at the top of the ranks.
So just keep that in mind. The average player is going to be in the soldier ranks or maybe 1st-3rd star Lieut.
True because once he buys that bow he goes back to soldier rank 9 or whatever since you spend the pts you get for gear. So ranks will fluxuate alot.
Most dont have what it takes to play a ranger from 1-50
I know its well annoying. I was reading Kilkil's posts and he was like "10% max are ranger"- that everyone is templar and gladiator. I love playing ranger so i was well excited, thinking ye I get to play ranger and be the minority but NO ! now everyone wants to be a ranger grr .. oh well
I'm sure we will see a ton of Rangers in the 1-20 level range but once people start reaching 40-50 I'm going to guess the number drops off quite a bit.
Fact is Rangers are great, but they are very easy to kill. In my opinion Rangers and Spirit Masters take the most skill to play in PvP. Skill maybe only about 10% of players will possess?
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
I know its well annoying. I was reading Kilkil's posts and he was like "10% max are ranger"- that everyone is templar and gladiator. I love playing ranger so i was well excited, thinking ye I get to play ranger and be the minority but NO ! now everyone wants to be a ranger grr .. oh well
I'm sure we will see a ton of Rangers in the 1-20 level range but once people start reaching 40-50 I'm going to guess the number drops off quite a bit.
Fact is Rangers are great, but they are very easy to kill. In my opinion Rangers and Spirit Masters take the most skill to play in PvP. Skill maybe only about 10% of players will possess?
Ye good point but unfortunately for me I'm one of the 90% haha I just love archers - it was always my favourite back when i played runescape all those years ago
True because once he buys that bow he goes back to soldier rank 9 or whatever since you spend the pts you get for gear. So ranks will fluxuate alot.
Yeah most players will just float around those ranks a lot. I really think it's a great system, and it certainly ramps up the difficulty and makes certain items very tough to get.
I dunno I think it is a shame of how he has to play in order to achieve that goal though. Also I am no expert at the game but I feel like even though ranks will fluctuate, it won't be too hard for certain people to get past the 3rd star lieut.
I dunno I'm not too keen about the average person argument. Average person may not even hit cap level, but I guess that depends on your definition.
I definitely think that people will altar their pvp styles as they increase in rank, whether you like that or not is up to you.
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what a really sucks is that you are able to gain the abyss points by killing npcs so after u reach a certin rank you stop pvping all together instead you kill the npcs and quest for ap instead of pvping b/c its safer/ more efficent. Once 1.5 is released there are instanced dungeons which give ap for killing npcs so its all kind of hilarious, plus in 1.5 the best items in the game are the drops in the dungeons not even the ap gear anymore which is fuking rediculously hard to get as it is
It is mathematically impossible for most players to be above 3rd star. If I have to explain anymore to you than it means you don't understand how the system works.
For the record, after the soldier ranks all ranks allow in only a limited amount of players per side.
AP gear is still the best, instances have lockout timers (and you need to own a fort for the one that gives you ap) and PvEing your AP points is going to be done in the abyss anyways IIRC. (which means you have a chance to get ganked).
Sure we'll probably have some of these top, top percentile of players trying everything they can so they don't die, including farming for AP from PvE. Again, for the average player (and most players really) the best way to get AP will be from PvP.
Pretty good post. Seems like there is alot to learn from this game
im excited.. this last months is going to be sooo slow 
If you watch The Karate Kid backwards it's about this karate champ that just kinda slowly becomes a pussy and ends up moving back to Jersey
It was the guy's choice of playstyle. Group PvP is probably what most top player do. You get a lot of AP from conquering fortresses and taking relics. Also, in 1.5 you will get more AP per kill in PvE.
"The person who experiences greatness must have a feeling for the myth he is in."
being lazy -- how far past 5 star is the top ap gear, do u need to sustain 5star for a signifigant length of time to get the top gear
Sure we'll probably have some of these top, top percentile of players trying everything they can so they don't die, including farming for AP from PvE. Again, for the average player (and most players really) the best way to get AP will be from PvP.
This I dunno about, it's not like ive played a ton. I don't see how the best way will be from PVP if you can gain a lot from PVE. I can maybe buy a mix of PVE and PVP... but PVE you always have a constant stream right? PVE you can't lose abyss I believe? Or maybe the consequence for dying isn't that bad at low ranks.
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This is to assume you cannot set a trap for that high ranking pvp'er who is farming AP via pve. It's also assuming it makes a difference what rank he is (as opposed to your own AP).
If you are 3 star louie or even 1 star, what is it going to matter if there is a 5 star? You won't jeopardize your rank to go look for him anyways. And if you are even that high, chances are you might be in same legion as him lol.
Griping and whining about how the top pvp'er got there isn't going to do anything if you can just do the same thing and choose not to.
Right now what I'm gathering from reading about strats and playstyles at diff ranks is just making me think of when I play multi table poker. Early on with low blinds you play a bit more sloppily taking chances and playing loosely, then when you get to a more "end game" you tighten up and play smarter.
Sounds just like here.
Interesting read. Hunters and Sins are going to drive everyone nuts without a doubt.
Launch already Aion!! LOL
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Simply just voicing an opinion. I wouldn't say I'm gripping or whining. It's just disturbing how stuff can demotivate you from combat. The higher rank you get the more it seems you're more concerned about dying/avoid fighting.
Very simple solution though just spend your points etc so you can't lose them. Maybe that's how they intend things to go.
Also your poker statement is not accurate. High ranked players are saying they only enter combat that they know they can win 100%. No one in poker ever ONLY plays hands they have a 100% chance in winning. Once again though as Nadril said that's a low % of people.
Going back to your poker example to Aion pvp, why play against good poker players and risk your money if you can make guarnteed money off of bad players if the stakes are the same?
Stuff like this makes me think competitive guild/legion pvp will never take off.
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Simply just voicing an opinion. I wouldn't say I'm gripping or whining. It's just disturbing how stuff can demotivate you from combat. The higher rank you get the more it seems you're more concerned about dying/avoid fighting.
Very simple solution though just spend your points etc so you can't lose them. Maybe that's how they intend things to go.
Also your poker statement is not accurate. High ranked players are saying they only enter combat that they know they can win 100%. No one in poker ever ONLY plays hands they have a 100% chance in winning. Once again though as Nadril said that's a low % of people.
Going back to your poker example to Aion pvp, why play against good poker players and risk your money if you can make guarnteed money off of bad players if the stakes are the same?
Stuff like this makes me think competitive guild/legion pvp will never take off.
It wasn't intentionally singling any one person with my comment... I guess it's more of "if you think it was directed to you it probably was" as a general consensus of the thread.
To reiterate on my poker statement... pros are very good about reading a player or situation and knowing when to continue or back off. And most do play cash games not just tournaments. But I digress...
The theory of worrying about what X person is doing in regards to gameplay is retarded in all aspects. Even moreso given that alot of people play differently.
And the stakes aren't the same... you get more AP if your target is higher rank.
I guess it comes down to "the greater the fame the greater the risk "
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in the end it all really comes down to, "Are you saving up for special items or Pvping for fun?"