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Blizzard to completely Retcon Onyxia.
Cavall
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In patch 3.2.2, Onyxia makes her return as a level 80 version of exactly the same fight people enjoyed at 60, with gear that will look the same as T2. Seeing as they removed the onyxia quest line quite a bit of time ago, this will basicially be the next "draenei" that they will be pulling with the lore. She was beheaded at 60 at the end of said chain/raid, and I feel that this is just another example of Blizzard saying profits > lore. Heck, she will even drop a 310% FLYING MOUNT, and anyone who logs on during the week of the patch will get a free noncombat pet. Reading between the lines, the message is actually "pay us your month fee or you will never get another chance at this pet." Anyways, I quit the game in preparation for FFXIV, and feel that it is taking yet another nosedive towards mediocricy.
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It's their IP, they can do whatever the %#!@ they want with it.
Whether or not the playerbase accepts it or not is their problem. Personally, I find it hilarious that you're quitting over a raid boss's level adjustment instead of over the FLYING MAGICAL SPACE-MONKIES POWERED BY INTELLIGENT CRYSTALS which were never mentioned until BC appeared.
That's the Retcon I had trouble swallowing.
Yes, I am an English Major.
Actually quit a month ago ^^
And yes, this will be the next "draenei" of the game. It just strikes me as a way to remove the ony farming people do, and it sets a precedent for future content to just be level-adjusted instances from level 60/70/80. And by "without fear of the playerbase objecting" I mean that people "object" by keeping their money in their pockets. I object to their game, so its what I now do. The issue at hand is their playerbase is mostly children... most of the adults, I included, are moving on.
Oh, and also, if I see "Ghost of Kael'Thas" as a enemy in the future, I will be even more glad I stopped playing <.<
I'm not thrilled with the prospect of this being fact simply because I can handle only so much repetition of an encounter. Recyled Naxx was a nightmare...I did it at 60, so having to do it again at 80 and ridiculously easier at that, was a game-breaker for me. I know some people probably enjoyed it, but something fresh would have been cooler and less brain-melting ^_^
Haha, I like this bit of information. WoW players will eat this shit up like it's gold, and all the WoW devs had to do was change the level on an old boss that people have ran hundreds of times before.
I have to give props to Blizzard, they know how to get people to drink the kool aid and love doing it.
You are really that concerned to the point you "read between the lines" that blizzard is holding a vanity pet hostage over the player base? Really, that upsets you?
I'm not sure what is being retcon'ed in this situation. Are they changing the storyline or does adding 20 levels to onyxia somehow break immersion for you? It isn't like she wasn't killed thousands of times every week already, so what is the big deal if they up her level?
I'll give you the point about recycling content and I understand why they did it with naxx as so few people actually got a chance to see it, but I'm not sure why they would revamp onxyia.
What the hell does "retcon" mean? I hope to god it's not a strung together fragment of two words...if that's the case then jesus christ you people are getting lazy.
What gets me is that the OP is pissed about the lore, the non combat pet and the mount... And not by the mere fact that the WoW devs are lazy as shit... You could fill a thread with numerous of pages on the re-hashed shit they have re-rolled out.
At least Naxx fit in with the story perfectly. I'm thinking Blizzard always planned on removing lvl 60 Naxx and moving it back to Northrend. What people here dont realise is that lvl 60 Ony will be removed forever with this patch.
But what I find hilarious is the claims by Blizzard blue posts on their forums that this will allow people to see Onyxia.
Blizzard: We're going to remove Onyxia, something thats been in the game for 5 years and replace it with with a new onyxia so people can see onyxia.
Back in Classic Wow we got Onyxia and Molten Core (8 bosses) at the start then 2 world bosses then Blackwing Lair (8 bosses)then Zul'Gurrub (10 bosses) then another 4 world bosses then AQ20 (6 bosses) AQ40 (9 bosses) and then Naxxramas (15 bosses). All in the space of 18 months.
Then were things like the Thunderaan fight to get Thunderfury made. The awesome Eranikus fight in moonglade as part of the AQ40 chain and then the fight after the gates are opened in Silithus.
So far in Wrath of the Fail King we've got a rehashed Naxx, Malygos, 3 crappy bosses in VoA, Sartharion, Ulduar and a 1 room "instance" of rehashed boss dropping rehashed gear.
Oh, Wrath of the Lame King is brilliant. 2 content patches in 9 months.
Since when has lore mattered to Blizzard? They just hash the crap out as they go anyways...at least, the stuff they don't 'borrow' from elsewhere.
Katsma is Lithuanian for 'he who drinks used douche fluid'.
I took a glance over at the official forums, which I haven't touched since I quit a while back, just to see the reaction to this announcement.
I knew it. People are loving it. "Sweet!! OMG Onyxia is back! I probably killed her 50 times pre-TBC, can't wait to do it 50 more times!"
I'm at a loss for words. The things that some people will pay for.
icouldnt care less what blizzrd does and dont! i left wow in june for rune of magic and now in august im like all gamer !im taking august off till rom release book 2 then gaming season will start for me wow was dead when they made bad call.now i dont care me and all my friend lvled rom toon we might have to lvl warden and druid in september true but the fact is we couldnt care less about wow.we played it5 4 years now we mooved to f2p rom
in our view p2p is gona die soon,too many f2p game that are insanelly good to bother with p2p.but then thats our view,see you in september in rune of magic .now its time off for the whole of august
Here you go:
http://comicbooks.about.com/od/glossary/g/retcon.htm
Most people have always been lazy, btw.
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Here you go:
http://comicbooks.about.com/od/glossary/g/retcon.htm
Most people have always been lazy, btw.
Aw - could you give me the gist of it?
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Is it just me, or is anyone else bothered (Lore-wise) by the fact that 2 people can WTFPWN the great dragon Onyxia? That's the true issue in my eyes.
"Retroactive Construction," or similar variations. Basically, it's changing the previous Lore of the material in order to fit the current situation and then pretending like it was that way all along.
Kind of like how some hardcore Fundamentalists believe Dinosaurs fit into the Christian view of history...
Yes, I am an English Major.
Only about 20% of WoW's player base even raids. That's 80% of players who never see any raid content, old or new. Makes you wonder why there is such a huge focus on end game raiding.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
Yes. I'd like to see certain bosses automatically raised to level cap when it is raised.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Onyxia is a great fight "OMG which noob pulled the whelps?!!", people/haters have been saying Blizzard should bring back the old raids like BWL,MC,AQ and so here we are.. yet people still complain.
As to the mount if it is a 100% drop rate on 25man (certainly wont be on 10man), there will be a 5day cool-down also so it would take the same 25 players 20weeks (5months) to all get the mount.. wow handing it out like candy aint they?
I cant wait.. I already have a whelpin pet though so I hope its a mini onyxia instead.
It's good news for fresh people joining the game, as they get to experience some of the vanilla content in it's proper glory.
It's bad news for veterans, since it seems that a very big portion of the last expansion is just recycled content.
completely agree, good news for new ppl, bad news for vet players. Recycled garbage is why i quit Wow, why pay to play the old stuff while u can play new stuff for free?
Naxx was the only thing recycled in WOTLK and for good reason, 1. most players never got to see it, 2.it fits in with the expansion, it was a tiny part of WOTLK less than 1% of the content. Now we get onxyia a single boss encounter.
Both NAXX and Onxyia need to be re-designed for the current game so its not like blizzard just increase the bosses HP, it takes testing and some work.
So "a very big portion" is a huge exageration. Now if only they redo the ZG and AQ20 (my fav raids) id be a happy man.
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I'm so proud closed my wow account like 6 months ago...
Naxxramas was quite a big portion of the raid content included in the last expansion. I agree that most people have not experienced it in vanilla WoW. The same can and will be said about Onyxia, anyone that joined after a certain period of time didn't experience Onyxia in its full glory (although a big part of the Onyxia encounter was the quest chain that preluded her).