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hellshanks
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okay, first, I already know I'm going to get flamed to hell and back. So I just want you to know, I'm not bashing this game yet. I'm evaluating what I think it looks like.
1: the initial trailer. They had a win and a half with making a trailer that looks that awesome. but, the gameplay I've seen looks about a billionth that cool.
2: rumors.
A: subscription fee? what the hell is this? You should be working in the OPPOSITE direction. like EVE and WoW, which are HUGE games. don't make us pay to TRY a game we might not like. it's like giving out a demo for 50 bucks... it's a DEMO. I don't know if there will be a trial or even do what TCoS did and have the level cap on F2P players (I thought that was a great idea.) So I won't be too harsh on them for this. but think about it... so far we have very little gameplay footage. do you want to pay a subscription fee and a monthly dump?
B: not making this for hardcore gamers. There is a pretty big post about this already. I'll sum it up: A dev said that they would not be making this game for hardcore gamers. The person who made the other post had a fit about it making some good points. like how the hardcore gamers are like the sports players, you look at someone like MJ being a basketball player and say "Damn, I'm going to be better than him someday..." The point is that the story line bottle necks the hardcore gamers by not letting them go where they want right away. here is the link to the post on this
http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/367/view/forums/post/3010197#3010197
C: RvR? not much on this. There is a topic titled "PvP" someone posts that it will be RvR based on the dev's previous work. I personally don't do a lot of PvP, so here is a link to the other topic on that one. http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/367/view/forums/thread/246930/page/1
3: factions, classes Like WoW, and a ton of other games... this game will have factions: you should know that by now. BUT! going beyond that... is Jedi or Sith a profession or a chosen class? i know there will be jedi and sith and there is bounty hunters, smugglers, and troopers. according to the official sight, thats all they are posting now.
http://www.swtor.com/info/holonet/classes
4: graphics? am I dreaming? they had that trailer, and then we see the very little gameplay footage and it looks like WoW with like a year ahead graphics. I have yet to see much combat. feel free to post some combat footage if you find.
That is my summary.
Comments
Hard to judge a game that is not gonna be released for another year and half to two years.
The fanboys nor the haters can't realistically judge this game until after E3 next year.
Nice compilation of baseless gossip, congratulations.
WoW might not have had a triel when it was released, but it sure as hell didn't have a subscription fee. my point there was it should have either a trial or at least no sub. fee. i don't want to pay a subscription fee, and a monthly fee and then not like it. it's very limited.
as for your bash on the rumors, I labeld them as rumors already. but thanks for making sure everyone saw that. I did think that some had good sources. In case you haven't noticed, even MMORPG.com posted rumors about WoW's new expansion. So I'm not really offended.
You said it yourself, you don't like the graphics so far.
and if you didn't notice, one you labeled as a bad rumor had a ling to the OFFICIAL sight. oh shit! the dev's are spreading rumors about their own game! (that was the one about factions and classes, which yes, the game will have factions and classes... unless the devs are screwing with us.)
What are you talking about?
MMOs work like this, except F2P ones and Guild Wars:
You buy the box/download.
You pay a monthly fee (except in EVE, where you can actually buy gametime using the in-game currency, ISK... which is awesome).
TOR will very likely have a Trial, but not until a couple months after release, once they get the initial bugs ironed out and the game is smooth (because every game improves from launch, whether they launch well or badly). Plenty of people will still pay $50 to buy the box/download, then pay $15 or whatever subscription plan they choose a month.
Yes, everything is just hearsay at this point. Bioware needs to start coming out with more information, but I think they're saving all the good stuff for the big gaming conventions, i.e. E3 next year.
The graphics are still in a very early stage, so don't judge them now. Do WoW Gnomes look like this nowadays? Of course not, that's a very early model. Same with TOR.
Not quite sure what you are talking about Willis. I paid Blizzard $49.99 X 2 at launch for two copies of WOW which included one month of free play (a 14.99 value). At the end of the first month I had to pay 14.99 per month to continue.
Are you saying ToR will have a box fee and a sub fee in the same month?
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I just want to say before I make a somewhat harsh reply: that was the most bad-ass gnome I've ever seen. of all time
have you noticed that WoW has the free downloads on their own sight? you need no proof of ever having WoW previously, I got a new computer and downloaded them just the other day. I didn't even have LK and I got it. also, before that, if you got the trial, the game was free. most games don't have disks and pay to download features. most even have alternatives. WoW realized, wait a min... we're rich. we don't need the extra 20 bucks every time someone who doesn't know how to pirate copys of WoW wants to play. Or illigally download them off the internet. (yeah, kinda working against myself there...) So in secret they have the free download available. tehe.
anyway. I forgot what else you said because the picture of the gnome was so bad ass....
Not sure what game you are thinking about but WoW still has a monthly subscription and has since the game went live.
Not sure what game you are thinking about but WoW still has a monthly subscription and has since the game went live.
you're on a completely different concept. thats a "monthly fee" a subscription fee is when you get a game and when you go to sign uup it says "please pay us $50 that we don't need becaue our game already has 11 million people and then you can pay the regular monthly fee AFTER that charge."
Not sure what game you are thinking about but WoW still has a monthly subscription and has since the game went live.
you're on a completely different concept. thats a "monthly fee" a subscription fee is when you get a game and when you go to sign uup it says "please pay us $50 that we don't need becaue our game already has 11 million people and then you can pay the regular monthly fee AFTER that charge."
Monthly fee = Subscription fee.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subscription_business_model I know it's Wiki, but it's the right definition.
see I get what the op is trying to say that being that you can just download WoW from blizzards site, and I hate to break it to you but you still have to pay for the game. The download of the game off blizzards site is not a free copy of WoW, you can start a free trial with it, but when you decide to keep wow you have to pay for a digital copy of the game which is like 19.95 now plus the monthly sub fee. You can't just try out a game like that, if all you want to do is try out open beta's of a game then get a file planet account and reserve beta slots in up coming mmo releases, this way you can try them before launch for free for a short period of time.
Also some games come with beta entries for preorders at major retailers, such as Amazon, Gamestop, etc.
I agree that the OP does not have a good idea what a subscription fee is.
However, it has actually been hinted that this game will not have a monthly fee, but you pay for additional content etc. It is not been made clear what is it that you actually pay for, but it can be things like new dungeons and epic mission arcs. The game will most likely be a bit more like LOTRO where you get smaller content patched in more rapid succession - these could also be considered as episodic content.
Here is the official EA announcement (not that they have since retracted the comment, but it was made):
BioWare's Star Wars MMO to be 'Microtransaction-based,' Says EA (Updated)
"Other initiatives we've announced, for example [the] Star Wars online MMO, are mid-session games which are microtransaction-based,"
"Other "mid-session" EA titles include FIFA Online and NBA Street. These games are either provided for free, or for a nominal charge, and are then supported by further microtransactions--small payments in exchange for services or content."
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Heh. Two pages of this crap just so the OP can complain about having to pay for the box/download....
If you can't pay for the box...maybe you should be doing other things than playing games.
Buying the box isn't buying a subscription...it's buying the game itself. You are paying for the liscense to put the game on your computer. The monthly fee is for access to the server/services, etc. and so on. It's nothing new, this is how MMO's work.
There won't be any free trial until the game has been out for awhile. This, also, is typical. Nothing unusual here.
I suggest you play less games and go back to school or something.
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This whole site just gets more and more bizzare.
I think you are living in some fantasy world where you think people actually believe what you're saying.
I think some people are missunderstanding me. First of all, I never said "This game is going to suck because of this!" I said "This is what it looks like is going on." I'm not bashing it. so STFU ^^
And you realize that not only have I been playing WoW for a long ass time. but I've been playing a copy I downloaded from blizzard... for FREEEE. Don't tell me you can't download WoW off of blizzards sight for free.
Erm.
You can download the client, but you can't "download" a valid account to play on official servers.
Without an account, the client would be completely useless though you could, (if you were an undesirable sort), play on privately owned, unofficial (and hence, illegal) servers .. but I'm sure that you never intended to suggest that you would do something like that, did you?
Or have I got the wrong end of the stick and you just don't know what a subscription fee is?
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Erm.
You can download the client, but you can't "download" a valid account to play on official servers.
Without an account, the client would be completely useless though you could, (if you were an undesirable sort), play on privately owned, unofficial (and hence, illegal) servers .. but I'm sure that you never intended to suggest that you would do something like that, did you?
Or have I got the wrong end of the stick and you just don't know what a subscription fee is?
i play retail servers lol don't worry. but I didn't pay for the d-load
I think Daddy pays for his WoW sub, so he's not sure wtf he is talking about..
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Asshat, you are not playing wow without having purchased a key. At some point, you paid for a key on the wow site, or bought a cd from a retail store.
I'm sure you then lost the cd, or forgot that you ever purchased the key. When you reinstalled, and put your account info in, your ignorant ass thought you were getting the game for free.
Now try to follow me here: the key you purchased in the past is permanently bound to your account info. When you downloaded the digital copy, the reason you were able to keep playing is because Blizzard's servers know you already own a purchased copy of the game, despite your mind-numbing idiocy.
Please, for the love of every thing holy, stop making everyone who reads your posts dumber by osmosis. KTHXBYE
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Erm.
You can download the client, but you can't "download" a valid account to play on official servers.
Without an account, the client would be completely useless though you could, (if you were an undesirable sort), play on privately owned, unofficial (and hence, illegal) servers .. but I'm sure that you never intended to suggest that you would do something like that, did you?
Or have I got the wrong end of the stick and you just don't know what a subscription fee is?
i play retail servers lol don't worry. but I didn't pay for the d-load
Oh but you did. While you did download the game from the WoW site seemingly for free. When you signed up for an account you had to have a Cd-key. You paid for the cd-key which can also be found in a box in physical stores. To summarize paying for a cd-key is the same as paying for the client/game and also gives you the ability to make an account, which in turn enables you to starting paying monthly/subscription fees.
Pay to play.
Research the game, view footage, read forums, read reviews, etc.,... If you are truly upset over having to pay to buy the game, then take the time to 'research' prior to purchase.
If they gave away 'free to play' or 'trial' accounts, then the 'gold farmers' would absolutely ruin the game from the get-go.
You'll also have a ton of kiddies running around 'lost' and spamming how the game sucks... if it's too complex or doesn't hold their hand enough.
I'm not saying the game needs to be 'hard-core' or anything overly complex... but I do hope that requiring players to purchase a key prior to playing will equate into a better audience/player pop (at least at first).
They also need to move boxes/sell copies and make stock holders happy. The other thing, they have to have a ton of sales so that sites like this will shout 'eleventybillion sold!!!!!!!!' and the 'wow killer is born' posts/articles will begin. Okay, so this last paragraph lost some focus...
Anyway... buy the box if/when you are able to make an educated decision on doing so.
When wow Launched you COULD NOT!!!!!!!!!!!! download the client for free and only pay the sub fee... You had to buy the box first. Then they released there trial a year or so later , at first it made you have cd key from a box to make an account to play on there offical servers.. Now there allowing you to use the trial account client and upgrade to a full account by paying the monthly fee only...
And This happend just becasue they dont need the money from the box sales anymore.