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delete5230
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It's what keeps message boards alive, It's a large part of why your here. If it were not for controversy mmorpg can list every link for game info, and were done.
We have to be careful with video game's, as more often than not game's are poorly developed. Often it's them against us, cause anyone can create a nice website to sell their product.
examples:
Vanguard- It's playable now, but for the first two years it was a mess. Very few seen that coming. But we were warned buy beta testers.
Warhammer- This game was playable from the start, but they blind sided us with giving all the exp to scenarios, leaving all other areas a ghost town. Were you expecting that ?
Darkfall- Gank fest, and have to have nerves of steel to get past the first month.
I could go on and on with examples but the list is long. Because of message boards and controversy I was able to see the players worries, concerns and actual experience. Because of message boards I was able to hold off on Vanguard and Darkfall only to get tricked by Warhammer.
Best example of all is Age of Conan, people knew from beta that it had zones, restricted movement, and a gank fest. Yet the fans of the game were saying its great and telling everyone to SHUT UP THEIR IS NOTHING WRONG.
So how could you say the cash shop is not a concern ?.... You don't know that !..... All kind of things can derive off it. YES for now you can find everything in the game that you can buy, BUT how do you know hard they are to find. BUT you can buy them in a second for $1. How do you know that as time goes by that you will find that you need the cash shop as you have too much time invested to not buy from it. YOU DON'T KNOW AND DON'T TELL ME YOU DO !!!
So for everyone telling others to shut up, all I could say is that you should take your own advice and let this message board roll as it is. Argue your points but don't tell people to not post their concerns over and over again. If they are re-hashed over and over maybe the topic is a warning !!
Message boards are for the people to fight back over marketing, even reviews can be payed off. It's all we have, so we are to stick together !!!
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Agreed.
Never liked the statements by some like "we've heard it, move along", or "this has been said 1000 times already", etc etc.
That's what the forums are for. It's not for the forum "elite" posters (cough cough) to tell people what to post and not, that's what the moderators are for.
I personally like to hear different people's points of view, and that goes for both sides of the argument because I'm not so egotisical to think I'm 100% right all of the time. Maybe someone will bring something up that I haven't considered.
I think the the poster is correct, and if anything, game releases in the very recent past has reinforced his opinion that we should all be very skeptical about this.
Will I be trying CO? Yes. Do I think RMT are wrong for this game? Absolutely, but I am still willing to check it out, and am not putting my foot down and saying this game is worse than Hitler. What do I think will happen in the future? That slowly little exclusive things will be added to the mix that you can only buy. They will start with fluff items, then progress from there. It's a giant way to "hook" us. I say this just because I know how business works. Do I have any proof they will do this? No, and neither does anyone who believes the opposite of me that it won't be that way.
But that's what forums are for, to discuss...
Well, I will Yawn, but as far as contriversy goes, I'm not one for that.
I'm 100% sure that tomarrow when I download champions there will be something wrong with the game. Its beta, its a newish enguine, its bound to happen.
As for the cash shop, its no big deal, nearly every game does it, even WoW. Character Recustomizations, faction switches, server switches, Guild Wars has it too, so does City of Heroes. I just think of it like this; If I'm going to spend annother 5 bucks on this game, I'd rather get a cool set of costume parts, or a temp power I can show off rather then have to spend it on technical things like server switches.
At any rate, lets just wait till tomarrow before we go accusimg Champions of any grand scheme. Its a new game, with a good concept, and I'm excited to just see it, Contriversy or not.
You're right, we can't know that. The MT shop has not been a part of closed beta. Any speculation on it, whether good or bad speculation, isn't worth much.
What us testers DO know is that the game is very fun without the MT shop. So unless the MT shop somehow changes the game that we have been playing, which is doubtful this late in development, then we already can tell you the most important thing, that the game is fun without having to buy ANYTHING from any MT shop.
Did the introduction of WoW's TCG make WoW any less fun? Maybe for a very few picky people, but in general, no it didn't change the game in any significant way.
Did the intruduction of CoH's MT shop make CoH any less fun? Not that I ever noticed, but I am sure there are a few people crying about not having ALL the costume pieces.
So when it comes down to it, unless the introduction of the MT shop takes away something from the core game, which I doubt will happen, then I don't see any reason for concern. I can say that only because I have played the game and know that its fun without buying extra stuff. That's all I needed to know.
Yeah after thinking about it a little bit my opinion on the cash shop hast changed. I used to be very much against it.... but now after being reminded that WoW has loot cards in it's TCG to get special mounts, tabards, ect... it doesn't seem so bad. Becuase it never bothered me in WoW.... I still don't like the IDEA of a cash shop.. but the REALITY is, it wouldn't effect me in the slightest really.. so long as they are purely cosmetic and no better than what you can get in game.
Besides does CO even have stats? o_O in which case it's near impossible for items to have an impact other than cosmetic. Perhaps CO is the one game where a cash shop is acceptable..
They have already said that there will be items that are more than cosmetic.
http://news.bigdownload.com/2009/07/16/champions-online-to-support-micro-transactions-at-launch/
"Most of them will be for non-gameplay affecting items like costume additions, action figures, and the like. You can also spend money on things like renaming one of your characters. You can also purchase items that do affect gameplay but Cryptic adds, "Any micro-transaction that has a game effect can also be earned in the game through play."
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Yeah - the idea sounds horrible, but in reality, it probably won't affect the game that much.
People care that other people are getting things easier or harder because they love to compete. In a PvP environment, if there was a cash shop that sold "game-changing" items, i.e. items that significantly increase stats to give whoever used them a marked advantage, then I'd have a problem. But if I see someone with a novelty or fluff item running past me, I won't care that he paid $5 to be able to wear it. If it looks cool and I really want it, sure, I'll pay. Cryptic already said that if anything that affects gameplay is available in the item shop, then it'll be obtainable through the game.
Whether it's hard or not isn't an issue. The easier way is buying it through the cash shop, the harder way is earning it yourself. You have a choice and you shouldn't care what other people choose until it starts directly affecting you (like in the PvP example above, though I don't think that'll be the case in CO's PvP, from what I've seen so far). However, people always complain about the principle of the matter and that's why you see these "I WILL NEVER PLAY A GAME WITH MT" posts. That, or they've played some F2P games with an item shop and that left a very bad taste in their mouths.
CO does have stats, but (from what I've seen) it's not like WoW, where the stats make the character. In WoW, you could be the most skilled Hunter ever, but without the appropriate gear you're stuck behind a wall. No matter how hard you try, you will never climb that wall unless you get the next level of gear. 80% gear, 20% skill - WoW's been making it a little more lenient lately, but it's still basically the same. For tanks or healers, it's closer to 50/50 - I'd say 60% gear, 40% skill - just because those things require more attention. If CO has a heavily gear-based progression system, and then Cryptic decided to offer some game-changing items (like super gear) through the item shop that would otherwise only be available through some kind of "dungeon", then it falls in the same category as the PvP example above. But only F2P games do that.
Edit: I'm not quite sure what the OP was trying to get across, but I'll say that controversy... err, discussion would be more accurate... is very important. Constructive criticism is good for any healthy game, because no dev should want a mindless legion of blindly loyal fanbots who try to silence anyone who presents a bad aspect of a game. On the other hand, no dev should want a mindless legion of trolls whose sole purpose is to constantly bring the bad aspects to everyone's attention. That's why the only difference between a fanbot and a troll is what side of the fence they're on.
Dont know how we can draw conclusions out of something that we have not seen. I agree that MT can be a very dangerous attempt, especially on a community such as CO's that is aware of the situation and canot be tricked easily. But i think it will all come down to what there is for us to buy.
As a tester i can see many a problem with that. An example is the costume peices, that yes you can earn them but there are implications. I guess we will have to wait and see.
On the other hand i am rich beyond beilef and will buy everything and then /rofl and /gloat at all you poor people (i wish)
I really getting tired of people comparing the TCG to Mricotransaction... they aren't the same.
The ingame items from TCG are a promo to help sell the cards... it isn't about the ingame items.
I don't anything that Cryptic will put in the MTs will have any effect on PvP, or the they will get reamed hard by the player base.
It be a really stupid move on their part.
LOL. Well, if I was rich beyond belief, I'd find something better to do with my money. Dating Jessica Alba springs to mind.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
RMT isn't the problem with this game but since I signed NDA, well you know the deal. Once NDA lifts then it becomes an entirely different story.
LOL. Well, if I was rich beyond belief, I'd find something better to do with my money. Dating Jessica Alba springs to mind.
When you talk about alba be careful, thats my bitch you are insulting.
As for WOW and MT there is nothing in common. CO+MT+missmanagment= disaster. I am super curious to see what they will sell. There are soooo many things that can go bad real soon with that.
LOL. Well, if I was rich beyond belief, I'd find something better to do with my money. Dating Jessica Alba springs to mind.
When you talk about alba be careful, thats my bitch you are insulting.
Those Japanese guys dressed all in black at your door are just 'gardeners' I sent over to redecorate your yard. Don't worry. They're not ninjas at all.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
LOL. Well, if I was rich beyond belief, I'd find something better to do with my money. Dating Jessica Alba springs to mind.
When you talk about alba be careful, thats my bitch you are insulting.
Those Japanese guys dressed all in black at your door are just 'gardeners' I sent over to redecorate your yard. Don't worry. They're not ninjas at all.
You mean my minefield yard?
Were nt you all excited about this game?? Are you still going to play it?
Yes, the one they wire-walked over. That's the one.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Cash shop?? Thats all I have heard from these forums. CO says it won't effect the game play. period. If you don't want to play the game or can't afford it (b/c of the cash shop) then don't play it. Quit whining and go to a different game. Move on! The cash shop makes no difference to me. I'm looking forward to the cash shop and I will buy stuff sometimes. I believe Cryptic will stay legit to their original comments about the cash shop not effecting gamerplay.
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Were nt you all excited about this game?? Are you still going to play it?
I can't speak for SaintViktor, but I have been in closed beta and plan to keep my preorder at this point. So have two of my friends who were also in the closed beta. Tomorrow will shed the light on this game, both good and bad. Just be patient and you will have your reasons from both camps mate!
Cheers!
MMO Vet since AOL Neverwinter Nights circa 1992. My MMO beat up your MMO. =S
Were nt you all excited about this game?? Are you still going to play it?
I can't speak for SaintViktor, but I have been in closed beta and plan to keep my preorder at this point. So have two of my friends who were also in the closed beta. Tomorrow will shed the light on this game, both good and bad. Just be patient and you will have your reasons from both camps mate!
Cheers!
Ya I have played it too, and will be playing at release for sure. Enjoyable game.
I don't know if you are paid to post this garbage or just not paying attention, but:
http://news.bigdownload.com/2009/07/16/champions-online-to-support-micro-transactions-at-launch/
"Most of them will be for non-gameplay affecting items like costume additions, action figures, and the like. You can also spend money on things like renaming one of your characters. You can also purchase items that do affect gameplay but Cryptic adds, "Any micro-transaction that has a game effect can also be earned in the game through play."
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
I don't know if you are paid to post this garbage or just not paying attention, but:
http://news.bigdownload.com/2009/07/16/champions-online-to-support-micro-transactions-at-launch/
"Most of them will be for non-gameplay affecting items like costume additions, action figures, and the like. You can also spend money on things like renaming one of your characters. You can also purchase items that do affect gameplay but Cryptic adds, "Any micro-transaction that has a game effect can also be earned in the game through play."
"Any micro-transaction that has a game effect can also be earned in the game through play." Thats the one people need to read.