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No game changing item so an item shop is ok
urbanmonkey
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I just don't get that argument.
You play a freaking superheroes game so I think looks are pretty damn important, don't you think? I mean I know not everyone spends 4 hours making a character but you want to look good and I want to have as many options as possible, certainly as everyone else. Now MMO players will grind 100 hours just to get that cool flame sword or diamond spiked shield whatever.
So I pay full price for the game, then sub at full regular price and I walk into the game and I see a guy with a some cool skull flaming mask and I say to myself "I wonder what powerful boss he defeated to unlock that! I also want to get that one day..." only to find out that the only way to get the mask is to just pay another 10 bucks. And this is acceptable? What next?
They are just shamelessly nickel and diming the people who will pay extra to get the best advantage in any super heroes game: UNIQUENESS.
Some are some desperate to defend their game they even bring examples of others game charging for name changes and server transfers. Right, good example. Same in every aspect.
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I have an idea for you, its a pretty simple...dont play. If you feel that the game is nickle and diming, which almost all MMO's do in some aspect, then dont play the game. But if your gonna go into forums and spread lies i feel sorry for you, please link where you found that you will have to grind 100 hours for a flame sword but you can get it in the item shop? ya..what i thought
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Because the Gorilla offers you random vanity pet rewards on their physical TCG (it's a luck shot), it's ok for monthly fee MMOs to open up item malls and start charging for everything - from vanity stuff to "game changing items as long as it is also obtainable through normal gameplay".
The logic is flawless!
Mythic is damn smart though, charging people for cool costumes on a superhero MMO is a damn smart move to milk money, that's usually the main focus of item mall games anyway, purchase beauty and/or power instead of obtaining it through a fun gameplay (if the game fails at providing fun you quit playing it, if you purchase your stuff it will not be so easy to quit the game if you care about money spent which is usually what happens if you decided to pay real money for an in-game item anyway).
i don't like the idea of a item shop in any game to be honest, but hey they need to make cash to keep the game going, and we all know this game will never have 10 mil subs like wow has or had but never know so to make up for the lack of sub they sell petty items here and there so people that want to support the game can toss them extra cash so for people that hate the idea of a item mall in the games, all i have to say is make your own and you can set the rules, till then you can bitch and moan all you want but you will not change the reallity of gaming today sorry if the truth hurts but it will only sting for a little bit....
A. Really? I can decide not to play? Wow, thanks for letting me know. Trust me, I won't.
B. Learn to read. The problem is that I CAN'T freaking grind even if I wanted to because those items will be exclusive to the paying customers, and if I am to buy the game and subscribe I am still not considered eligible!
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Never argue with idiots. They are immune to logic.
You are assuming these items require any sort of appreciable effort to gain and/or are what you want. Until we know any details all you are doing is getting upset over speculation. Gather the details and/or information on what they plan to sell, how much it requires to acquire them, and then you have something to argue about. Right now everyone not directly tied to Cryptic and their MT plans is just guessing. Do you worry in real life over things you have no details about? Do you complain about what a cell phone company you are not associated with plans to charge? When you are a customer, ie: the game has launched and they have detailed their plans, then you can complain all you want. Right now you are just getting riled up over assumptions.
Cheers!
MMO Vet since AOL Neverwinter Nights circa 1992. My MMO beat up your MMO. =S
omg the item shop ruins the game! DOOM! The end is nigh! I SHALL NOT PASS!
Well, I'll still give the game a chance. I'm pretty sure the item shop is least of features that could be a game breaker for me here. Though, to me the item shop is enough reason to drop the game out from my "Great MMORPGs list
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If the game is working, playable and enjoyable for at least one month, I don't feel bad paying 40€s of it.
A. Really? I can decide not to play? Wow, thanks for letting me know. Trust me, I won't.
B. Learn to read. The problem is that I CAN'T freaking grind even if I wanted to because those items will be exclusive to the paying customers, and if I am to buy the game and subscribe I am still not considered eligible!
B. Umm Duhh... I Buy food a Jack in the Box. I should get a free shake for picking up after myself in the restarant...
Its forsale. Its that way from the getgo. Its not like most games where its tacked on afterwards so who cares?
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Being a fan of virtual worlds like Second Life, I don't have a problem with item shops even with paid subscriptions unless the items being offered are game changing or give advantages to players. So far, I hear that the items available in the shop are going to be cosmetic stuff like costumes and accessories. Not a big deal really.
How many times do people have to read this?:
http://news.bigdownload.com/2009/07/16/champions-online-to-support-micro-transactions-at-launch/
"Most of them will be for non-gameplay affecting items like costume additions, action figures, and the like. You can also spend money on things like renaming one of your characters. You can also purchase items that do affect gameplay but Cryptic adds, "Any micro-transaction that has a game effect can also be earned in the game through play."
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How many times do people have to read this?:
http://news.bigdownload.com/2009/07/16/champions-online-to-support-micro-transactions-at-launch/
"Most of them will be for non-gameplay affecting items like costume additions, action figures, and the like. You can also spend money on things like renaming one of your characters. You can also purchase items that do affect gameplay but Cryptic adds, "Any micro-transaction that has a game effect can also be earned in the game through play."
Still doesn't bother me. I am not an e-peen player. Don't need to be #1. So, if someone wants to foolishly waste their money buying an item from the shop that they can also get in-game, well, that's their prerogative. Still playing this game!
How many times do people have to read this?:
http://news.bigdownload.com/2009/07/16/champions-online-to-support-micro-transactions-at-launch/
"Most of them will be for non-gameplay affecting items like costume additions, action figures, and the like. You can also spend money on things like renaming one of your characters. You can also purchase items that do affect gameplay but Cryptic adds, "Any micro-transaction that has a game effect can also be earned in the game through play."
Since you like the above quote i thought i'd give you another one made 6 days later.
"Bill Roper: I even hesitate to use the term ‘gameplay’ because I think when you use that word people immediately equate that to damage dealt or armor and experience point gain or that kind of stuff, and there’s nothing on my list that’s like that. I think those are valid things to be part of a micro-transaction game, but one that is solely a micro-transaction game. If you’re looking at a game that’s free to download and free to play and its business model is supported by micro-transactions, that’s really where their bread-n-butter is made because it’s more like, yes, you can play the game and be successful but if you really want to kick up the experience gain and do things better or faster you can pick up those kinds of items.
But that’s not Champions Online. That’s not the way the game is structured, that’s not the emphasis for the game and that’s not the desire for us with micro-transactions."
http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/71536
Hopefully nobody will copycat my glorious hero pink custom with butterfly wings. I swear you ain't beating that.
LOL now you gave me ideas! I had already decided to make a massive giant fat character and now you have helped me with what he's going to wear! j/k
i'm on the fence for CO i really wanna play it but the item shop is killing it for me. these greedy ass companies giving us what they call "extra features" for an extra fee is BS. its the reason i don't play sony games anymore and won't again. i know its a buisness but i won't support a buisness like that. but as teh OP said, its a super hero game and how your character looks is a major part of the game itself. and if the only way i can get my character to look how i want is to pay more than the mmo standard then its kinda game breaking for me. if its a F2P i don't mind item shops at all, but a P2P WITH an item shop, its a bit too much for me to pay for a game. i'm in a job where i was suppose to be laid off the 15th but its been pushed back to the 30th. the plant is shutting down completely so i'm not going to have money to throw around on a game that wants more than the norm.
to me $15 a month on a game saves me money as entertainment value but those item shops can really add up to ALOT.
I pay money for cable TV, I should have all the channels right? Oh wait, dang, I have to pay extra for HBO.
I just went and paid for a burger and fries, and wouldn't ya know, they charged me extra to add some cheese.
Look at it however you want. But if you want something EXTRA you pay for it. People obviously WILL pay extra for these items, and all the people who complain about it will keep on complaining.
Take a look at EQ2. As much as I see the VERY vocal whiners bitch about how dumb LoN or the station cash items are, I see 10x more people who actually HAVE those very items and are willing to pay for it. Alot of us have no problem with paying extra for something because it's understood that it's exactly that, EXTRA.
Companies want to make money, that's how they stay in business. If they were selling something that was absolutely gamebreaking where you couldn't play without it, then yeah I could see a reason to get all crazy over it. If something like paying extra for some vanity items is enough to get you to not play a game and ignore the fact that the game is still fun, then you have bigger problems to worry about.
Don't buy anything from the cash shop, show them that they won't get any of your money and you don't support it. If enough people take a stand and don't use it, then they'd probably take a look at it, but there ARE people who will do it, LOTS of people.
I have a great idea! Cryptic can shut down the whole microtransaction idea and just not make new content available at all except for the already planned-out patches! Wait, that results in less content...
I honestly don't see how MORE options is a bad thing. If you don't want some particular costume part, you don't have to get it. If you want it, you can throw down a couple of dollars and unlock it for your account. You ALWAYS have the option of not getting it, and the character creator is extremely robust as it is, so it's not like you're going to miss out on anything.
But if this is what it takes to drive the entitlement kids back to WoW, more power to the cash shop!
I thought sub fees went toward new content. Is CO going to be FTP then?
I thought sub fees went toward new content. Is CO going to be FTP then?
Subscription fees go towards new content, yes. Just like in any game, subscription fees (beyond profits and maintenance costs) support the development of new patches and updates. That doesn't mean they would've developed the costume parts or whatever for the cash shop if there were no cash shop. The patch updates will contain new costume options as well, so they could've just dropped the microtransaction thing and not bothered to develop the "micro-content". In which case, people who WOULD buy from the cash shop are out extra options, and people who wouldn't gain nothing.
My point is, extra content developed for the microtransaction shop is still extra content, and there will be plenty of freely available extra content, so who's to say the cash shop stuff would even exist without it?
Okay, this is simple.
You SHOULD play.
However, you should realize that if I PAY money for a Collecters Edition or Special promotion or buy something in the shop, I can have something you do not.
Just like if you go to a restaurant, order a regular dinner and I order a birthday cake after I finish my dinner.
Don't come over and smash my birthday cake and demand one of your own for free since I paid for one.
"This restaurant is nickel and diming us!! I paid for dinner. I should get FREE DESSERT!!!!"
This restaurant makes you pay for that icing, bub. Enjoy your Halibut and sit back and shut up while they sing my birthday song.
I really think the argument is far too convoluted for its own good.
If you go to said restaurant and order said food and it comes with
no plate and no silverware..that's how I view it.
They are taking things that are expected to be part of the purchase
and removing them and charging extra to get them.
I think you'll be able to EAT (play the game) just fine without the items in the item shop.
Just like in COH, you can buy the magic pack or the science pack or whatever, I am sure this is not much different.
you advocate some kind of communist/socialist model where every restaurant charges exactly the same fee for every dinner regadless of what is ordered and thats just naive. No one is taking your precious fork, dude. Give it up and stop worrying. It will be playable with your sub. You just may not look as cool as me when I am doing it.
How do you know this? How do you know they didn't develop the buyable content specifically for the microtransaction shop? How do you know it would exist at all without it? You don't. You can look at it one of two ways: The way you're apparently looking at it, that they 'owe' you all developed content for free as part of the monthly service premium; or the way that I'm looking at it, that the microtransaction stuff was developed as a secondary source of income to fuel faster development of the big content patches and that I can choose to play without it or purchase it at my leisure.
Really? You're expected to look unique while playing the MMO? Well then, I guess every MMO must be breaking that rule because there are very few where you look unique. Sure, you can throw in that dye, but you still have the same armor model as a thousand other people.
Have you seen the amount of costume customization there is without any vanity items from the item shop? Really, if you're jealous, that's exactly what Cryptic wants. Otherwise, no one would use the item shop at all. You can either suck it up, play the game, and not care that the guy who just ran past you has the Flaming Skull of Awesome, or you can watch him, feel jealous, and decide you want to fork over $5 to get it yourself. If you're against the idea of the item shop, I hope you're strong enough to pick option A. If not, you have no one to blame but yourself (if you care too much about what other people have, then I guess you'd be better off not playing at all).
This is not some F2P game's item shop. That's the issue here - people are expecting something that is blown out of proportion. And if it turns out that it does become like a F2P game's item shop, I'll take back what I said and admit you guys were right.
You can only go based on what they tell you.... and that is what we are told. There is nothing wrong with that.
Plus how do we know they wont add game changing items? We dont' know. Just like we don't know if WoW will start a cash shop and have game changing items or Aion or whatever. You go by what they tell you. So stop trying to act like it's the be all end all.
exactly.
The veterans rewards in COH add all kinds of cool powers.
Some people ignore them entirely.
Me, I find they realy help especially when I am soloing at early levels.
Is that a 'game changer'? yes
Did I 'earn them?" yes.
Should anyone care that I have them and they don't because they haven't been playing for 5 years to get the latest reward?
no.