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Don't use wireless keyboard and mouse to play, u could be banned
It happend really, that my friend in Korea used to play this shitty game out with his wireless keyboard(Logitech's G something).
Whenever he playedd it with this wireless keyboard, fucking gameguard said "we detected sort of hacking".
wtf? after 3 times this stupid gameguard said it and he eventually got banned from server. Obviously he didn't use any abuse but got banned. there were no fucking refund either.
ALSO, do not get friend who chosen difference race from u to gain abyss point together by killing each other in the mutual agreement(it's called abusing in Korean, and so many fucking GM pretending to be just a normal player walks around the whole abyss area to find if any eloyian and asmodian do this. NCSoft will absolutely ban u if they find u.)
Shit, in personal I really hope this NCsoft provides u all really good services that we Korean never had, so that we poor korean get some money out of ur pocket, however, their company, NCsoft, is well-known in which the company has some of immorality.
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This is common sense, and why anyone would think it is ok is just idiotic
So, you and a friend join opposing sides and kill each other for reward points, and you don't think that's cheating? You think that allowing you to cheat is providing good service? No, we don't get away with that kind of thing here either. Most games will not allow it. It does make me question how innocent that banning really was.
it isnt the wireless part, its the macro software part. if he has a "G" something keyboard, its more then likely to have macro abilities and the logitech software installed. bet any money that once the software is uninstalled it wouldnt flag.
You know, monitoring abusers is a good thing, glad to see they took action against this in Korea, hopefully it will also monitored over here.
+1 to NC
About the keyboard, send a customer ticket, there are lots of hardware software that GG was blocking in our betas (including Google Chrome, lol) and then they were unblocked, dunno if it works this good in Korea though, and betas and server tests are usually the period in which devs care the most about feedback.
I hope they also make a crusade against the ToS breakers - hackers/botters/gold buyers and sellers.
i wish all games banned players from using wireless stuff
This post is just silly for lack of a stronger word. I use both a wireless mouse and keyboard and have NEVER experienced something as the OP suggests happening in his/her initial post.
LMAO I am not banned sir! I said my friend was.
Also I didn't mention that abusing is good to do and I did it.
The OP said his friend was playing this "shitty" game. I was asking why his friend would play a shitty game. I do not think Aion is a shitty game. I played in three beta weekends and think its a pretty good game in fact. Im not sure if i will buy the game or not but i might.
The OP said his friend was playing this "shitty" game. I was asking why his friend would play a shitty game. I do not think Aion is a shitty game. I played in three beta weekends and think its a pretty good game in fact. Im not sure if i will buy the game or not but i might.
well, game itself is not that shitty, sorry about that. But customer services in Korea was shitty. I hope NA get better services cuz most of things has been tested in Korea server so that u NA PEOPLE might like their services, I hope that.
This is common sense, and why anyone would think it is ok is just idiotic
The fact that they have to have GMs find people doing it is a sign of sloppy game design on the developers part. Remember if a system can be abused that easily, its not the players fault but more so the developers. Part of game design requires you recognize what the rule set allows and doesnt allow, and if you the developer dont want abuse, you must therefore change the design not allow that abuse.
Reminds me of when Funcom was banning players for their bad game design.
The OP said his friend was playing this "shitty" game. I was asking why his friend would play a shitty game. I do not think Aion is a shitty game. I played in three beta weekends and think its a pretty good game in fact. Im not sure if i will buy the game or not but i might.
well, game itself is not that shitty, sorry about that. But customer services in Korea was shitty. I hope NA get better services cuz most of things has been tested in Korea server so that u NA PEOPLE might like their services, I hope that.
Yes the game runs well and what issues there were seemed to be resolved quickly. So they seem to be taking care of things here.
this honestly just sounds like more viral marketing from one of Aion's competitors trying to badmouth the game.
I actually use a wireless logitech keyboard and mouse and have not noticed any problems with gameguard or the game. Sounds to me like your friend was using hacks or macro programs plugged into his keyboard that gameguard didn't like or you're just flat out lying. Either way it sounds like a unique case because I haven't ever heard of this before nor, as I said, have I experienced it myself. There's a fair number of people who use a wireless setup and the fact that this issue isn't widely known seems to support the idea that you're just spouting BS.
I have been on aionsource.com checking out any news for the last year and have never seen this issue brought up and considering how active that community is I'm inclined to believe this is a very minor issue if not an isolated incident.
In short: Entire post is full of lies. It's the same underhanded form of smear campaign people have been pulling with Aion for the past couple months. The threads started that aren't actually about Aion, but rather some common con of the industry, started SPECIFICALLY in Aion forums. My theory is that these are just people paid by companies competing with Aion, since for the most part they have low rep power/post count. I haven't seen any smear attempts like this from anyone with some measure of respect.
This is common sense, and why anyone would think it is ok is just idiotic
The fact that they have to have GMs find people doing it is a sign of sloppy game design on the developers part. Remember if a system can be abused that easily, its not the players fault but more so the developers. Part of game design requires you recognize what the rule set allows and doesnt allow, and if you the developer dont want abuse, you must therefore change the design not allow that abuse.
Reminds me of when Funcom was banning players for their bad game design.
I agree, there was an issue like this in RF Online where people would make friends from opposing races and farm CP off each other when the game was first released, but then CCR released a patch that made it so each player could only lose a certain amount of CP per day, meaning anyone that killed the player after they've hit their limit wouldn't get any CP. Aion has a similar scenario but I think Abyss Points do more in this game then CP did in RF.
Translation: Don't cheat, you'll get banned. Actually, I'm quite glad to hear they have people walking around to catch this crap.
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This is common sense, and why anyone would think it is ok is just idiotic
The fact that they have to have GMs find people doing it is a sign of sloppy game design on the developers part. Remember if a system can be abused that easily, its not the players fault but more so the developers. Part of game design requires you recognize what the rule set allows and doesnt allow, and if you the developer dont want abuse, you must therefore change the design not allow that abuse.
Reminds me of when Funcom was banning players for their bad game design.
Poor game design? No, it's not. If you're so brilliant then explain how such a system could be abuse proof without being EXTREMELY convoluded.
It's pretty straightforward design. Elyos? Kill an Asmodian, get points. Kill a balaur npc, get points. Die to either, lose points.
It's become commonplace to call game design that isn't completely "perfect" (which is ludicrous considering perfection is subjective) bad or terrible. Tell me ANY MMO that doesn't use GM's to enforce rules that would otherwise be extremely cumbersome and unneccessary to code? You can't.
UO? Yeah, GM's wandered around all the time to watch for people macro'ing.
DAOC? Yep, GM's wandered around using console commands to watch for people exploiting known glitch spots on the battlegrounds. One spot being the bridge you could glitch inside of then just spam aoe's and not get hurt.
WoW? Despite popular opinion it's not perfect and GM's wander around there too to look for botters. Just because you don't see them doesn't mean they aren't there. Most actual GM's (not CSR's) have console commands to teleport, become invisible, spawn certain items and so on.
The same goes on and on and on for every single damned mmo out there. You're really reaching if you're going to try to compare Aion to AoC, even AoC as it is today. This means from a design/system standpoint of course. Aion is extremely solid and you would be very hard pressed to actually find a game-breaking bug. Ncsoft hasn't claimed the game is anything more than it is. They haven't said it's some holy grail heralding in a new era of mmo's. It's made very obvious that the game is very traditional. If a super solid, traditional MMO that doesn't have the ridiculous mistakes that Blizz keeps making then Aion is a good choice for a new game.
I have seen FAR too many big-name mmo's come out over the past two years claiming to be this and that, but come EXTREMELY short. Their reach exceeded their grasp. In this instance, haters need to get over it because Aion actually is a high quality product and people are now resorting to making crap up to try to badmouth it.
Translation: Don't cheat, you'll get banned. Actually, I'm quite glad to hear they have people walking around to catch this crap.
Haha, that's exactly how I read it too.
My take: Waaaaaahhhh, I was trying to cheat and GM's who are actually smart caught me, waaaaaahhh.
I LOVE that Spam is the HGM for Aion. He was the last GM back when I played L2 that actually made an effort to crack down on botters. I actually saw him running around, doing part of his job by hand and physically (metaphorically speaking) looked for botters. It was pretty easy to spot them all you had to do was look. That's what he did and he banned TONS of people.
I'm also glad that NCsoft has recognized that gameguard doesn't work. There was a post on source where Ayase said that if gameguard doesn't measure up then they would find another way to go. Granted there is no perfect hack prevention system, but gameguard is just about as far from the word you can get. Whether or not they'll actually drop GG is still to be seen, could all be lip service. Still, glad to see a major company say it.
I have been in the last few beta tests and am using a Logitech G15 (old type) and a wireless mouse
The only thing gameguard does is lock the macro functions, prevent me changing memory presets and freezes the LCD.
I have no problems with locking such functions, only got a G15 because i broke my hand one summer and couldn't reach across the keyboard while in plaster lol, if i want macros I will use the ingame macro system which pretty much does the same job anyway.
If people try to cheat I hope and pray that they get banned, it has ruined so many games in the past.
As for the game itself it runs better than anything I have played since WoW while making WoW look a little basic.
Here from some NCSoft Officials if someone would still want to go about the keyboards and mouse
Response (Hayden) 08/18/2009 12:37 PM
Hi XXXXXXX,
No one has ever gotten banned for using a G-15 in the game. And at those times that GameGuard has missed the deactivation of the macro functions of the keyboard, those customers did not trigger the bot controls that we use. So they still were not banned for that.
The G-15 is fine. You do not need to do anything special for it to keep form being banned. But if you bot while using one we will know the difference.
Thank you,
Hayden
NCsoft Technical Support
Billing and Technical Support can be reached via phone,
Monday - Friday, 12pm - 5pm Central at (512) 225-6359.
This is common sense, and why anyone would think it is ok is just idiotic
The fact that they have to have GMs find people doing it is a sign of sloppy game design on the developers part. Remember if a system can be abused that easily, its not the players fault but more so the developers. Part of game design requires you recognize what the rule set allows and doesnt allow, and if you the developer dont want abuse, you must therefore change the design not allow that abuse.
Reminds me of when Funcom was banning players for their bad game design.
I thought there was death penalty, as in losing abyss points. Is that not part of there design to stop that?
I agree (I think). This game is going to be a hackfest.
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um cyborg did u even read the op's posting?
He's basicly saying his friend got banned for using a wirless keyboard, which seems the only way for that to happen is having some macro commands. Not only that he said dont make friends with the oposing faction to gain points cause it will get you banned. Seems to me this guy is upset he got caught cheating and hopes it will be easyer to cheat on the NA client.
OP glad your firend got banned for what he did, To bad they didnt catch you.
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Kamerak, did u even read my comment?
My friend, including some other people, got banned for using wireless keyboard. It's a real case happend I saw and other people either, meaing that customer service in KOREA was bad.
I have NEVER said me and friend did ABUSING and love to enjoy it.
I just wanted to tell that I Really hope Customer service of NA server will be better than what we had. Most of stupid funny cheating things and bugs have been tested in our server, so that NA server should be fine by now.
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Played GW with wireless and had no problems. Pretty sure GG does not look at logitech, especially in US, where its close to the most popular pirepherals out there.
Man I can't get why ncsoft would ban those guys for getting points that are intended to be gained by skill and time. Ncsoft just has no morals at all..