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I would never want to make an mmo in todays society
djnexus
Member Posts: 677
To many whiners and complainers going on all over the forums, I think this forum is 95% whiners. Like over on the champions online forum, game hasnt even been out a day and people are already spelling out impending doom because of a patch problem for open beta thats already been fixed.
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You are being confused about the vocal minority. It is well known that the majority of MMO playwers dont frequent the forums. And the small fraction of those who do dont post.
IN the end forums are often radicalized to pro and con. Also, There is a disturbing trend over the last few years (since AoC at least) of players posting for sheer spite of a game they themselves never tried. Think of the recent reports from Health Care Town Hall meetings with people shouting, screaming and crying. Its the same thing, I look at the town hall chaos and dont identify with any of those people.
In the end, Dont gauge the forums as a representative sampling of a playerbase or community...we are the worst of it
Torrential: DAOC (Pendragon)
Awned: World of Warcraft (Lothar)
Torren: Warhammer Online (Praag)
Release a polished and well-functioning game and you will avoid a large majority of the criticism.
Let the creative people decide when it's ready, not the suits.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Release a polished and well-functioning game and you will avoid a large majority of the criticism.
Let the creative people decide when it's ready, not the suits.
This is pretty much correct, but unless you have very good talent and an endless stream of money it will not be possible.
I cannot remember the last MMO which was considered 'well polished' at release. Heck, even well functioning at release. EQ1 perhaps. But I remember the early days of WoW, and they were tough. DAOC had a smooth launch, but the game wasn't complete by any standard.
Torrential: DAOC (Pendragon)
Awned: World of Warcraft (Lothar)
Torren: Warhammer Online (Praag)
But what you are forgetting is that it's the squeeky wheel that gets the grease and in the world of MMOs their main source of feedback comes from forums, beta testers (who generally use the forums), and questionairres (polls). So back to the original posters point, if this is a large avenue for feedback then how in the world would you ever appease any type of majority?
I couldn't agree more about forums now a days. But there's one thing to remember, the forums represents a minority of MMO players. And when you talk to players in game about the game the majority say good things.
Forum users want to be smarter and think they know how to create the perfect MMO and it would change the world. But there is a reason none of them are doing it, because their ideas are not feasible and often times terrible. They just want to complain for the sake of complaining. I agree with the CO comment, I don't ever plan on playing the game but still seeing stupid posts about how the game sucks because their stress test found issues and brought down the login servers, that is the point of beta!
I think the problem is with moderators too, it's fine for people to argue and disagree but most of the people resort to personal attacks or quoting a typo and saying that shows the person is an idiot. None of that should be allowed. I think that is the stuff the got rid of the majority of the non-hateful posters because they just didn't want to deal with it.
You are so utterly wrong. Anyone reading these boards knows that there is no end to the complaining by the complainers.
We all know the kind.
They are the kind of person, who, if someone dumped 10 gold bars at their feet would say "WTF? Gold bars! These things are so freakin' heavy! Why didn't you just wire the cash into my account."
And they all seem to be under the same collective delusion that their "constructive" comments will have any positive impact on the game they pretend to be wanting to help.
OP is basically correct.
As long as there are people who blind purchase games based on hype and play anything that's thrown in front of them they won't be releasing anything worth while. Why put forth the effort when they know they will have strong sales at release then subscription numbers will level off to make a decent profit. If someone rush purchases something and only plays for three months they still got your money. Then they have the loyal people who stay and play through the unbalance and repetitive quests. They win either way.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
I used to be a quiet, happy go lucky MMOer until my game was destroyed and I found out there was nothing remotely close to it for me to go play. Then I became a vocal critic of this lackluster genre. If the developers started making good, innovative, fun, and unique MMOs, I wouldn't critisize. But as long as they are pumping out the same steaming piles of crap over and over again, I'm going to call them out on it.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic
Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW
Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike
Loved: Star Wars Galaxies
Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
People say the views here are the minority. Unfortunately I don't think that's true.
A while ago an early SW:ToR alpha video was posted on YouTube and was on Digg. Thousand of posters in both communities ripped the game apart as a WoW clone, even though those images didn't show us much, and no it didn't look like WoW at all.
The sad truth is MMORPG may be more positive then most of the Internet. I think most gamer are so burned out on WoW they really don't want another MMO every again.
I agree, most players are completly burnt on WoW. Yet those games which are truely different from WoW (EvE, Darkfall, etc) have not thrived
Torrential: DAOC (Pendragon)
Awned: World of Warcraft (Lothar)
Torren: Warhammer Online (Praag)
"..in todays society". Yeah because people whining about games is one of the biggest issues of "todays society". LOL
People make MMOs to make money. They couldn't care less if people whined aslong as they make money.
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The patcher isn't Champions only problem. It's just a terrible cookie cutter MMO and these days in order to stand out you need to go beyond the typical MMO. People are really fickle with MMO's and if it doesn't make a good initial impression they will never give it a second chance.
Frankly I'm glad the fans of MMO's are such assholes, it'll weed out the garbage and hopefully lead to something truly unique and just plain good. We shouldn't be supporting shit MMO's, it only encourages developers to continue releasing them.
Release a polished and well-functioning game and you will avoid a large majority of the criticism.
Let the creative people decide when it's ready, not the suits.
This is pretty much correct, but unless you have very good talent and an endless stream of money it will not be possible.
But if you don't do it, how can you complain when people point out the faults and shortcomings in your game? If you put out a piece of crap, don't be surprised when people call it a piece of crap.
Don't like it? Release a working game.
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You could always make a niche MMO.
Small-time MMO's that are still profitable are good.
It doesn't have to be the next most awesomely popular game to be played... Even in WoW everyone is essentially just playing with the people on their one server.