Dude just stop your making youself look.... just stop.
I play FPS on a PC, such as CS, CS Source, Unreal, Quake Series, hell just about all of them that are competitive.
I play console also, started back on Normal Xbox with Halo - from there I played everything FPS that has come out for both xbox360 and PS3. From gears of war to COD4 Modern Warfare.
I became exceptionally good at both skillsets, however the fact of the matter is this, PC is and will always destroy consoles in the FPS department.
They sport superior graphics, and faster gameplay than anything the console can produce.
Also anyone who states that a gamepad user is on par with a K&B user is a tool.
I tested this out one time, using Unreal PS3 K&B support, the K&B vs Gamepad kill to death ratio was like night and day.
End of Story.
Oh I could almost guarantee that I would beat you with no Deaths on all 4 of the PC FPS games you listed there. Of course all of them have more hacks then I care to count. Now if your any good in console FPS you'd probably beat me pretty well since I'm only about average skill on FPS in general.
With a FPS where the results of the matchs/battlefields are key a console only game is far better then a PC version, Its just the reality of the hacking world. Any FPS shooter on PC usually has a hack written or modified to work with it with in a week tops. On the other hand most console shooters are still relatively hack free.
PC versions are almost always better then the console version but are also far more annoying to play on anything short of a heavily moderated server because of the hackers. Sure they may not be rampant but a single hacker can easily ruin a game for some one like myself that is not a hardcore FPS player.
CCP in my opinion did the intelligent thing by only doing consoles for this, You gain access to a player base that they didn't have before and overall you won't see the sort of switch from the EVE player base anyway as most eve players I would suspect are not really die-hard FPS players.
CCP fanboy eh? I know, everything they do is perfect and only in our best interest.
Because hacks are such a huge issue when I am playing Red Orchestra, CoDMW, CoDWaW, AAO and ETQW in fact it is such a huge factor that everybody is hacking so that I wont even notice that anyone is hacking....true story!!!11
I find it funny how you guys throw big words around like hacks and cracks and don't know sh1t aboutc FPS online gaming.
Wow........very clever move. EvE has deffinetly established it's self in the PC gaming world and the console gamers outnumber PC gamers by a great deal. Making an FPS MMO that will interact with a existing PC MMO could bring up to the top of the MMO list fast. Cheers! Hope they can pull this off as this would be a huge boon for the MMO industry. I said could, doesn't mean I think that is the only possibility. Just a lot of possibilies with this, could suck of course but it could be great as well.
FPS combat and territory control? Now, it just needs full looting! j/k
All in all, this looks pretty neat and there is certainly too little information to go speculating and getting feelings hurt. Though, I wonder: they say it's been in dev for 3 years. How long has ambulation been in development? Seems I've been hearing about it at least the past couple years. Gotta wonder if a neat idea just blew up into something bigger.
Anyhow, neat that they are doing something that other companies aren't and I'm anxious to hear more actual information about the mechanics and correlation to the existing EvE universe.
-mklinic
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"which is being developed for the current generation of consoles"
Yeaaaaaaaaa way to treat your followers who play EvE ON A FREAKING PC. You know what CCP? Go F!*% yourself.
Wow over reaction much? This is a separate game than EVE. You don't have to play it. It is a game that is meant for consoles, and FPS's on consoles are very good. There are basically no hacks, and incredibly fun to play once you get good.
Why does this piss you off so bad? You think that the company owes something to you to make every game they release for the rest of eternity on PC with a 100% focus on what Lumster wants? Give me a break.
It is true that they do not owe me anything.......so what? Can't I be pissed about the fact that they sold out?
I doubt that most EvE fans have a next generation console, so why only consoles? Only for the money, sure they are a company but some companies even tho they want max profits do something nice for their fanbase once in a while.
If you cannot see just how much of a kick in the face of EvE fans this is then you are just as much a tool as CCP.
Has CCP ever made you pay for an expansion? NO? Geeeeee, what jerks they are. /Sarcasm.
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This is a brilliant concept. I really hope they can pull it off. Their game may not be for everyone, but CCP is way ahead of the curve in the MMO industry on a number of fronts.
Yeah, I'm a strictly fantasy player mainly and it's the main reason I could never get into EvE but you got to admire what they've managed to doso far and what there currently planning and working on. Little company, Big Ideas.
After reading this thread it seems the only person who really likes change is a wet baby.
C'mon folks, I'm 50+ yrs old, can't play a FPS to save my life, don't own any console games, yet can see the potential this brings to the EVE universe.
Have an open mind, and let's see what's delivered before going all apesh!t over who is being screwed or what not.
Yes, It could be the end of life as we know it. (wonder if the game is releasing in 2012?) or it could be something new and fun.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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hmmmm i wonder if this will tie into this console version....... i would bet my left kidney on it that this isnt just a console game, but an amazing leap for EVE mechanics/gameplay as well
EDIT: btw notice the date on the video? 3 years ..... Dust has been in development for 3 years ......
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I have read through all the comments and I like the idea but one question I have not seen yet is; Will the console players pay a monthly fee the same as PC players? If feel that if they are going to be linked to the EVE server and play a part in the MMO universe they should pay a monthly fee.
If CCP was smart they wouldn't
Since Console players will only be getting the Planetary Combat/Rts content I would think a one time purchase with Additional DLC (for a small fee) would be much better and more accepted by the console players.
Also I really have a feeling Dust 514 is going to be just a Free expansion for Eve anyway.
I will say that once WiS and Dust release EvE's population is going to go through the roof!
You're an idiot. Give me a mouse and keyboard and i will utterly smoke anyone with a gamepad.
It's not about being better with a mouse than someone with a gamepad. Playing with everyone else who has gamepads or everyone else who uses mouse/keyboard makes it an even playing field. FPS on consoles have come a long way and are incredibly fun. If you are to ignorant to see that console and pc FPS's are two completely different skillsets to master and are both fun then it is only your loss.
Dude just stop your making youself look.... just stop.
I play FPS on a PC, such as CS, CS Source, Unreal, Quake Series, hell just about all of them that are competitive.
I play console also, started back on Normal Xbox with Halo - from there I played everything FPS that has come out for both xbox360 and PS3. From gears of war to COD4 Modern Warfare.
I became exceptionally good at both skillsets, however the fact of the matter is this, PC is and will always destroy consoles in the FPS department.
They sport superior graphics, and faster gameplay than anything the console can produce.
Also anyone who states that a gamepad user is on par with a K&B user is a tool.
I tested this out one time, using Unreal PS3 K&B support, the K&B vs Gamepad kill to death ratio was like night and day.
End of Story.
This is not true anymore. Sorry.
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You guys are being babies. CCP hasn't said anything about how the games will interact,
Yes they did.
I think they mean specifics, which we currently have none of, they have said the games will interact but in any real form no.
-Jive
Like i said, they did.
DUST 514 will figure prominently into the CCP Games strategy to revamp EVE Online's system of galactic control, called sovereignty. It was originally discussed in the current issue of EON magazine that planetary control would be an aspect of changing how EVE's player alliances gain control of territory. Apparently, what players can do in DUST 514 will also play a major role in EVE moving forward. Hilmar explained more about how the terrestrial gameplay of DUST 514 will be interconnected with the ship-centric gameplay of EVE Online.
Currently, player alliance sovereignty (regional control) is tied to maintaining numerous player-owned structures across different solar systems to establish a territory as belonging to that alliance, and as shown on the game's star map. Since DUST 514 is set in the same galaxy as the core MMO, with the same planets, EVE players will have the option of contracting DUST (player) mercenaries to gain control of planets.
Hilmar said, "DUST battlefields will dictate who control specific planets inside the EVE MMO. If a player contracts a DUST mercenary team to go and conquer this district of a planet. Then ultimately he will be able to control the planet, and therefore the solar system, and therefore the constellation, and the region."
He explained more about the interplay between EVE Online and DUST 514. Hilmar said, "You will increasingly have to fight with your fleet [in EVE Online] but you will also have to contract people who play DUST, the console MMO, which then feeds into the sovereignty control system of EVE. Then EVE feeds back into that again by funding the mercenaries, giving them goals." In a nod to Starship Troopers, he said, "The fleet does the flying, the infantry does the dying."
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
You guys are being babies. CCP hasn't said anything about how the games will interact,
Yes they did.
I think they mean specifics, which we currently have none of, they have said the games will interact but in any real form no.
-Jive
Like i said, they did.
DUST 514 will figure prominently into the CCP Games strategy to revamp EVE Online's system of galactic control, called sovereignty. It was originally discussed in the current issue of EON magazine that planetary control would be an aspect of changing how EVE's player alliances gain control of territory. Apparently, what players can do in DUST 514 will also play a major role in EVE moving forward. Hilmar explained more about how the terrestrial gameplay of DUST 514 will be interconnected with the ship-centric gameplay of EVE Online.
Currently, player alliance sovereignty (regional control) is tied to maintaining numerous player-owned structures across different solar systems to establish a territory as belonging to that alliance, and as shown on the game's star map. Since DUST 514 is set in the same galaxy as the core MMO, with the same planets, EVE players will have the option of contracting DUST (player) mercenaries to gain control of planets.
Hilmar said, "DUST battlefields will dictate who control specific planets inside the EVE MMO. If a player contracts a DUST mercenary team to go and conquer this district of a planet. Then ultimately he will be able to control the planet, and therefore the solar system, and therefore the constellation, and the region."
He explained more about the interplay between EVE Online and DUST 514. Hilmar said, "You will increasingly have to fight with your fleet [in EVE Online] but you will also have to contract people who play DUST, the console MMO, which then feeds into the sovereignty control system of EVE. Then EVE feeds back into that again by funding the mercenaries, giving them goals." In a nod to Starship Troopers, he said, "The fleet does the flying, the infantry does the dying."
OK, if I read this correctly, sovereignty control of all 0.0 systems will be totally dependent on the actions of those who play DUST 514.
Hmm, this could well end up as an NGE-type experience after all.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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You guys are being babies. CCP hasn't said anything about how the games will interact,
Yes they did.
I think they mean specifics, which we currently have none of, they have said the games will interact but in any real form no.
-Jive
Like i said, they did.
DUST 514 will figure prominently into the CCP Games strategy to revamp EVE Online's system of galactic control, called sovereignty. It was originally discussed in the current issue of EON magazine that planetary control would be an aspect of changing how EVE's player alliances gain control of territory. Apparently, what players can do in DUST 514 will also play a major role in EVE moving forward. Hilmar explained more about how the terrestrial gameplay of DUST 514 will be interconnected with the ship-centric gameplay of EVE Online.
Currently, player alliance sovereignty (regional control) is tied to maintaining numerous player-owned structures across different solar systems to establish a territory as belonging to that alliance, and as shown on the game's star map. Since DUST 514 is set in the same galaxy as the core MMO, with the same planets, EVE players will have the option of contracting DUST (player) mercenaries to gain control of planets.
Hilmar said, "DUST battlefields will dictate who control specific planets inside the EVE MMO. If a player contracts a DUST mercenary team to go and conquer this district of a planet. Then ultimately he will be able to control the planet, and therefore the solar system, and therefore the constellation, and the region."
He explained more about the interplay between EVE Online and DUST 514. Hilmar said, "You will increasingly have to fight with your fleet [in EVE Online] but you will also have to contract people who play DUST, the console MMO, which then feeds into the sovereignty control system of EVE. Then EVE feeds back into that again by funding the mercenaries, giving them goals." In a nod to Starship Troopers, he said, "The fleet does the flying, the infantry does the dying."
Wow, the part in yellow seems to be saying that the EvE online players will be creating the content for the Dust players lol. That could be pretty friggin sweet lol. Man they've really got an interesting idea here. It will be 2 completely seperate games that interact with each other. EvE online will be the space combat and Dust will be the ground combat. They will be able to comunicate with each other in some way to some extent at least. And EvE players will more or less be creating the Missions/Scenario's for the Dust players. Thats a pretty interesting idea to say the least. I may even consider playing Dust oO.
You guys are being babies. CCP hasn't said anything about how the games will interact,
Yes they did.
I think they mean specifics, which we currently have none of, they have said the games will interact but in any real form no.
-Jive
Like i said, they did.
DUST 514 will figure prominently into the CCP Games strategy to revamp EVE Online's system of galactic control, called sovereignty. It was originally discussed in the current issue of EON magazine that planetary control would be an aspect of changing how EVE's player alliances gain control of territory. Apparently, what players can do in DUST 514 will also play a major role in EVE moving forward. Hilmar explained more about how the terrestrial gameplay of DUST 514 will be interconnected with the ship-centric gameplay of EVE Online.
Currently, player alliance sovereignty (regional control) is tied to maintaining numerous player-owned structures across different solar systems to establish a territory as belonging to that alliance, and as shown on the game's star map. Since DUST 514 is set in the same galaxy as the core MMO, with the same planets, EVE players will have the option of contracting DUST (player) mercenaries to gain control of planets.
Hilmar said, "DUST battlefields will dictate who control specific planets inside the EVE MMO. If a player contracts a DUST mercenary team to go and conquer this district of a planet. Then ultimately he will be able to control the planet, and therefore the solar system, and therefore the constellation, and the region."
He explained more about the interplay between EVE Online and DUST 514. Hilmar said, "You will increasingly have to fight with your fleet [in EVE Online] but you will also have to contract people who play DUST, the console MMO, which then feeds into the sovereignty control system of EVE. Then EVE feeds back into that again by funding the mercenaries, giving them goals." In a nod to Starship Troopers, he said, "The fleet does the flying, the infantry does the dying."
OK, if I read this correctly, sovereignty control of all 0.0 systems will be totally dependent on the actions of those who play DUST 514.
Hmm, this could well end up as an NGE-type experience after all.
No. Its not totally dependent, it is simply contributed to by it. Its not black and white, not sure why people can only think in on and off.
Contracting the dust players is an optional, debatably quicker, but not guaranteed way of adding to sovereignty.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
You guys are being babies. CCP hasn't said anything about how the games will interact,
Yes they did.
I think they mean specifics, which we currently have none of, they have said the games will interact but in any real form no.
-Jive
Like i said, they did.
DUST 514 will figure prominently into the CCP Games strategy to revamp EVE Online's system of galactic control, called sovereignty. It was originally discussed in the current issue of EON magazine that planetary control would be an aspect of changing how EVE's player alliances gain control of territory. Apparently, what players can do in DUST 514 will also play a major role in EVE moving forward. Hilmar explained more about how the terrestrial gameplay of DUST 514 will be interconnected with the ship-centric gameplay of EVE Online.
Currently, player alliance sovereignty (regional control) is tied to maintaining numerous player-owned structures across different solar systems to establish a territory as belonging to that alliance, and as shown on the game's star map. Since DUST 514 is set in the same galaxy as the core MMO, with the same planets, EVE players will have the option of contracting DUST (player) mercenaries to gain control of planets.
Hilmar said, "DUST battlefields will dictate who control specific planets inside the EVE MMO. If a player contracts a DUST mercenary team to go and conquer this district of a planet. Then ultimately he will be able to control the planet, and therefore the solar system, and therefore the constellation, and the region."
He explained more about the interplay between EVE Online and DUST 514. Hilmar said, "You will increasingly have to fight with your fleet [in EVE Online] but you will also have to contract people who play DUST, the console MMO, which then feeds into the sovereignty control system of EVE. Then EVE feeds back into that again by funding the mercenaries, giving them goals." In a nod to Starship Troopers, he said, "The fleet does the flying, the infantry does the dying."
Wow, the part in yellow seems to be saying that the EvE online players will be creating the content for the Dust players lol. That could be pretty friggin sweet lol. Man they've really got an interesting idea here. It will be 2 completely seperate games that interact with each other. EvE online will be the space combat and Dust will be the ground combat. They will be able to comunicate with each other in some way to some extent at least. And EvE players will more or less be creating the Missions/Scenario's for the Dust players. Thats a pretty interesting idea to say the least. I may even consider playing Dust oO.
Correct.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
"which is being developed for the current generation of consoles"
Yeaaaaaaaaa way to treat your followers who play EvE ON A FREAKING PC. You know what CCP? Go F!*% yourself.
Wow over reaction much? This is a separate game than EVE. You don't have to play it. It is a game that is meant for consoles, and FPS's on consoles are very good. There are basically no hacks, and incredibly fun to play once you get good.
Why does this piss you off so bad? You think that the company owes something to you to make every game they release for the rest of eternity on PC with a 100% focus on what Lumster wants? Give me a break.
It is true that they do not owe me anything.......so what? Can't I be pissed about the fact that they sold out?
I doubt that most EvE fans have a next generation console, so why only consoles? Only for the money, sure they are a company but some companies even tho they want max profits do something nice for their fanbase once in a while.
If you cannot see just how much of a kick in the face of EvE fans this is then you are just as much a tool as CCP.
It isn't a kick in the face at all.
The game is a First Person Shooter, it's an entirely different kind of game than EVE, it just happens to take place in the same universe.
If the game was EVE 2 and was released exclusively on consoles, you might have a point but it isn't. It's a new game for a new audience, CCP is well within their right to create games for other platforms, they do not owe you anything.
About the interactivity between EVE and Dust, I'm a bit skeptical. To really make the system work it probably requires a healthy playerbase of both EVE and DUST players. EVE has proven itself to be game with a growing and dedicated community, but DUST on the other hand still has to prove itself in a market that is filled with First Person Shooters. Will DUST have enough players after Halo, Call of Duty and Gears of War have been released?
This won't be your run of the mill spray-n-pray shooter. This is much more than that. Communication and interaction with EvE alone makes it unique and sets it apart from everything else already out there. Shit, even games in the works. Imagine the powerful feeling you'll get working with players from EvE, contracting battles, ordering supplies..etc and then seeing all that take place. The same will go for EvE players. Pretty cool knowing you have boots on the ground flipping zones and whatnot. Name an FPS that does allows real time teamwork on the scale that's being proposed with this announcement.
CCP has this all to themselves and if they can pull it of, do it right, there will be no competition. They have EvE to tie it all together.
You guys are being babies. CCP hasn't said anything about how the games will interact,
Yes they did.
I think they mean specifics, which we currently have none of, they have said the games will interact but in any real form no.
-Jive
Like i said, they did.
DUST 514 will figure prominently into the CCP Games strategy to revamp EVE Online's system of galactic control, called sovereignty. It was originally discussed in the current issue of EON magazine that planetary control would be an aspect of changing how EVE's player alliances gain control of territory. Apparently, what players can do in DUST 514 will also play a major role in EVE moving forward. Hilmar explained more about how the terrestrial gameplay of DUST 514 will be interconnected with the ship-centric gameplay of EVE Online.
Currently, player alliance sovereignty (regional control) is tied to maintaining numerous player-owned structures across different solar systems to establish a territory as belonging to that alliance, and as shown on the game's star map. Since DUST 514 is set in the same galaxy as the core MMO, with the same planets, EVE players will have the option of contracting DUST (player) mercenaries to gain control of planets.
Hilmar said, "DUST battlefields will dictate who control specific planets inside the EVE MMO. If a player contracts a DUST mercenary team to go and conquer this district of a planet. Then ultimately he will be able to control the planet, and therefore the solar system, and therefore the constellation, and the region."
He explained more about the interplay between EVE Online and DUST 514. Hilmar said, "You will increasingly have to fight with your fleet [in EVE Online] but you will also have to contract people who play DUST, the console MMO, which then feeds into the sovereignty control system of EVE. Then EVE feeds back into that again by funding the mercenaries, giving them goals." In a nod to Starship Troopers, he said, "The fleet does the flying, the infantry does the dying."
Wow, the part in yellow seems to be saying that the EvE online players will be creating the content for the Dust players lol. That could be pretty friggin sweet lol. Man they've really got an interesting idea here. It will be 2 completely seperate games that interact with each other. EvE online will be the space combat and Dust will be the ground combat. They will be able to comunicate with each other in some way to some extent at least. And EvE players will more or less be creating the Missions/Scenario's for the Dust players. Thats a pretty interesting idea to say the least. I may even consider playing Dust oO.
Correct.
Thanks for that post, after reading that I really like the idea more, I can see why people would dislike it, but it sounds like an awesome spin on mixing two games together.
Thanks for that post, after reading that I really like the idea more, I can see why people would dislike it, but it sounds like an awesome spin on mixing two games together.
-Jive
It's also cool because many people have suggested planetary surface battles as being part of EVE. Well, here you go. The smartest thing CCP could do now is develop it for PC as well...
I am not only Pissed at DEAD (Dust 514[or EAD]) being only on PS3 and XBox, but that during fanfests it was suggested that after Ambulation (Walking in Stations) was finnished (and their secret WoD MMO was mostly done) that they would move the game towards more traditional MMOs on planetside and that pilots could land and do planetside Role Play type gameing, that could include conflicts and war....
It now looks like they have trown the idea of the R in RPG on planets right out the window.
As many posters have said CCP owes us nothing, but when they go against their word and lie (this game was in dev during the last fanfest of which I am talking) bold facedly to us does not bode well and makes my opinion of the company and my level of trust with them fall significantly.
You know I could toss fuel on the fire by saying that PC guys now get a taste of what Mac users get but I won't. It's as pointless as complaining about where this game is coming out.
What I DO like about this is that it's an FPS in my Favorite MMO setting. The fact that they interact with each other in some way? Bonus! Almost makes me want to boot up Eve again. (If I did I'd be returning for the third time. A First for me and MMO's.)
All in all I look forward to hearing more on this.
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I am not only Pissed at DEAD (Dust 514[or EAD]) being only on PS3 and XBox, but that during fanfests it was suggested that after Ambulation (Walking in Stations) was finnished (and their secret WoD MMO was mostly done) that they would move the game towards more traditional MMOs on planetside and that pilots could land and do planetside Role Play type gameing, that could include conflicts and war.... It now looks like they have trown the idea of the R in RPG on planets right out the window. As many posters have said CCP owes us nothing, but when they go against their word and lie (this game was in dev during the last fanfest of which I am talking) bold facedly to us does not bode well and makes my opinion of the company and my level of trust with them fall significantly.
"Suggested"... look it up in the dictionary sometime.
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Oh I could almost guarantee that I would beat you with no Deaths on all 4 of the PC FPS games you listed there. Of course all of them have more hacks then I care to count. Now if your any good in console FPS you'd probably beat me pretty well since I'm only about average skill on FPS in general.
With a FPS where the results of the matchs/battlefields are key a console only game is far better then a PC version, Its just the reality of the hacking world. Any FPS shooter on PC usually has a hack written or modified to work with it with in a week tops. On the other hand most console shooters are still relatively hack free.
PC versions are almost always better then the console version but are also far more annoying to play on anything short of a heavily moderated server because of the hackers. Sure they may not be rampant but a single hacker can easily ruin a game for some one like myself that is not a hardcore FPS player.
CCP in my opinion did the intelligent thing by only doing consoles for this, You gain access to a player base that they didn't have before and overall you won't see the sort of switch from the EVE player base anyway as most eve players I would suspect are not really die-hard FPS players.
CCP fanboy eh? I know, everything they do is perfect and only in our best interest.
Because hacks are such a huge issue when I am playing Red Orchestra, CoDMW, CoDWaW, AAO and ETQW in fact it is such a huge factor that everybody is hacking so that I wont even notice that anyone is hacking....true story!!!11
I find it funny how you guys throw big words around like hacks and cracks and don't know sh1t aboutc FPS online gaming.
Wow........very clever move. EvE has deffinetly established it's self in the PC gaming world and the console gamers outnumber PC gamers by a great deal. Making an FPS MMO that will interact with a existing PC MMO could bring up to the top of the MMO list fast. Cheers! Hope they can pull this off as this would be a huge boon for the MMO industry. I said could, doesn't mean I think that is the only possibility. Just a lot of possibilies with this, could suck of course but it could be great as well.
This is a brilliant concept. I really hope they can pull it off.
Their game may not be for everyone, but CCP is way ahead of the curve in the MMO industry on a number of fronts.
FPS combat and territory control? Now, it just needs full looting! j/k
All in all, this looks pretty neat and there is certainly too little information to go speculating and getting feelings hurt. Though, I wonder: they say it's been in dev for 3 years. How long has ambulation been in development? Seems I've been hearing about it at least the past couple years. Gotta wonder if a neat idea just blew up into something bigger.
Anyhow, neat that they are doing something that other companies aren't and I'm anxious to hear more actual information about the mechanics and correlation to the existing EvE universe.
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers.
Do something wrong, no one forgets"
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Wow over reaction much? This is a separate game than EVE. You don't have to play it. It is a game that is meant for consoles, and FPS's on consoles are very good. There are basically no hacks, and incredibly fun to play once you get good.
Why does this piss you off so bad? You think that the company owes something to you to make every game they release for the rest of eternity on PC with a 100% focus on what Lumster wants? Give me a break.
It is true that they do not owe me anything.......so what? Can't I be pissed about the fact that they sold out?
I doubt that most EvE fans have a next generation console, so why only consoles? Only for the money, sure they are a company but some companies even tho they want max profits do something nice for their fanbase once in a while.
If you cannot see just how much of a kick in the face of EvE fans this is then you are just as much a tool as CCP.
Has CCP ever made you pay for an expansion? NO? Geeeeee, what jerks they are. /Sarcasm.
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Long before us
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Yeah, I'm a strictly fantasy player mainly and it's the main reason I could never get into EvE but you got to admire what they've managed to doso far and what there currently planning and working on. Little company, Big Ideas.
After reading this thread it seems the only person who really likes change is a wet baby.
C'mon folks, I'm 50+ yrs old, can't play a FPS to save my life, don't own any console games, yet can see the potential this brings to the EVE universe.
Have an open mind, and let's see what's delivered before going all apesh!t over who is being screwed or what not.
Yes, It could be the end of life as we know it. (wonder if the game is releasing in 2012?) or it could be something new and fun.
I might even buy a console finally.
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hmmmm i wonder if this will tie into this console version....... i would bet my left kidney on it that this isnt just a console game, but an amazing leap for EVE mechanics/gameplay as well
EDIT: btw notice the date on the video? 3 years ..... Dust has been in development for 3 years ......
EDIT2: fixed link
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Favorite MMOs: WoW, SWG Pre-cu, Lineage 2, UO, EQ, EVE online
Looking forward to: Archeage, Kingdom Under Fire 2
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I have read through all the comments and I like the idea but one question I have not seen yet is;
Will the console players pay a monthly fee the same as PC players?
If feel that if they are going to be linked to the EVE server and play a part in the MMO universe they should pay a monthly fee.
If CCP was smart they wouldn't
Since Console players will only be getting the Planetary Combat/Rts content I would think a one time purchase with Additional DLC (for a small fee) would be much better and more accepted by the console players.
Also I really have a feeling Dust 514 is going to be just a Free expansion for Eve anyway.
I will say that once WiS and Dust release EvE's population is going to go through the roof!
Playing: EvE, Ryzom
It's not about being better with a mouse than someone with a gamepad. Playing with everyone else who has gamepads or everyone else who uses mouse/keyboard makes it an even playing field. FPS on consoles have come a long way and are incredibly fun. If you are to ignorant to see that console and pc FPS's are two completely different skillsets to master and are both fun then it is only your loss.
Dude just stop your making youself look.... just stop.
I play FPS on a PC, such as CS, CS Source, Unreal, Quake Series, hell just about all of them that are competitive.
I play console also, started back on Normal Xbox with Halo - from there I played everything FPS that has come out for both xbox360 and PS3. From gears of war to COD4 Modern Warfare.
I became exceptionally good at both skillsets, however the fact of the matter is this, PC is and will always destroy consoles in the FPS department.
They sport superior graphics, and faster gameplay than anything the console can produce.
Also anyone who states that a gamepad user is on par with a K&B user is a tool.
I tested this out one time, using Unreal PS3 K&B support, the K&B vs Gamepad kill to death ratio was like night and day.
End of Story.
This is not true anymore. Sorry.
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lol wow its for consoles, i mean if they put that kind of stuff in the actual game...im kinda sad about this but oh well.
Like i said, they did.
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How are you?" -Me
Yes they did.
I think they mean specifics, which we currently have none of, they have said the games will interact but in any real form no.
-Jive
Like i said, they did.
OK, if I read this correctly, sovereignty control of all 0.0 systems will be totally dependent on the actions of those who play DUST 514.
Hmm, this could well end up as an NGE-type experience after all.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
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Yes they did.
I think they mean specifics, which we currently have none of, they have said the games will interact but in any real form no.
-Jive
Like i said, they did.
Wow, the part in yellow seems to be saying that the EvE online players will be creating the content for the Dust players lol. That could be pretty friggin sweet lol. Man they've really got an interesting idea here. It will be 2 completely seperate games that interact with each other. EvE online will be the space combat and Dust will be the ground combat. They will be able to comunicate with each other in some way to some extent at least. And EvE players will more or less be creating the Missions/Scenario's for the Dust players. Thats a pretty interesting idea to say the least. I may even consider playing Dust oO.
Yes they did.
I think they mean specifics, which we currently have none of, they have said the games will interact but in any real form no.
-Jive
Like i said, they did.
OK, if I read this correctly, sovereignty control of all 0.0 systems will be totally dependent on the actions of those who play DUST 514.
Hmm, this could well end up as an NGE-type experience after all.
No. Its not totally dependent, it is simply contributed to by it. Its not black and white, not sure why people can only think in on and off.
Contracting the dust players is an optional, debatably quicker, but not guaranteed way of adding to sovereignty.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
Yes they did.
I think they mean specifics, which we currently have none of, they have said the games will interact but in any real form no.
-Jive
Like i said, they did.
Wow, the part in yellow seems to be saying that the EvE online players will be creating the content for the Dust players lol. That could be pretty friggin sweet lol. Man they've really got an interesting idea here. It will be 2 completely seperate games that interact with each other. EvE online will be the space combat and Dust will be the ground combat. They will be able to comunicate with each other in some way to some extent at least. And EvE players will more or less be creating the Missions/Scenario's for the Dust players. Thats a pretty interesting idea to say the least. I may even consider playing Dust oO.
Correct.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
Wow over reaction much? This is a separate game than EVE. You don't have to play it. It is a game that is meant for consoles, and FPS's on consoles are very good. There are basically no hacks, and incredibly fun to play once you get good.
Why does this piss you off so bad? You think that the company owes something to you to make every game they release for the rest of eternity on PC with a 100% focus on what Lumster wants? Give me a break.
It is true that they do not owe me anything.......so what? Can't I be pissed about the fact that they sold out?
I doubt that most EvE fans have a next generation console, so why only consoles? Only for the money, sure they are a company but some companies even tho they want max profits do something nice for their fanbase once in a while.
If you cannot see just how much of a kick in the face of EvE fans this is then you are just as much a tool as CCP.
It isn't a kick in the face at all.
The game is a First Person Shooter, it's an entirely different kind of game than EVE, it just happens to take place in the same universe.
If the game was EVE 2 and was released exclusively on consoles, you might have a point but it isn't. It's a new game for a new audience, CCP is well within their right to create games for other platforms, they do not owe you anything.
About the interactivity between EVE and Dust, I'm a bit skeptical. To really make the system work it probably requires a healthy playerbase of both EVE and DUST players. EVE has proven itself to be game with a growing and dedicated community, but DUST on the other hand still has to prove itself in a market that is filled with First Person Shooters. Will DUST have enough players after Halo, Call of Duty and Gears of War have been released?
This won't be your run of the mill spray-n-pray shooter. This is much more than that. Communication and interaction with EvE alone makes it unique and sets it apart from everything else already out there. Shit, even games in the works. Imagine the powerful feeling you'll get working with players from EvE, contracting battles, ordering supplies..etc and then seeing all that take place. The same will go for EvE players. Pretty cool knowing you have boots on the ground flipping zones and whatnot. Name an FPS that does allows real time teamwork on the scale that's being proposed with this announcement.
CCP has this all to themselves and if they can pull it of, do it right, there will be no competition. They have EvE to tie it all together.
Yes they did.
I think they mean specifics, which we currently have none of, they have said the games will interact but in any real form no.
-Jive
Like i said, they did.
Wow, the part in yellow seems to be saying that the EvE online players will be creating the content for the Dust players lol. That could be pretty friggin sweet lol. Man they've really got an interesting idea here. It will be 2 completely seperate games that interact with each other. EvE online will be the space combat and Dust will be the ground combat. They will be able to comunicate with each other in some way to some extent at least. And EvE players will more or less be creating the Missions/Scenario's for the Dust players. Thats a pretty interesting idea to say the least. I may even consider playing Dust oO.
Correct.
Thanks for that post, after reading that I really like the idea more, I can see why people would dislike it, but it sounds like an awesome spin on mixing two games together.
-Jive
It's also cool because many people have suggested planetary surface battles as being part of EVE. Well, here you go. The smartest thing CCP could do now is develop it for PC as well...
I am not only Pissed at DEAD (Dust 514[or EAD]) being only on PS3 and XBox, but that during fanfests it was suggested that after Ambulation (Walking in Stations) was finnished (and their secret WoD MMO was mostly done) that they would move the game towards more traditional MMOs on planetside and that pilots could land and do planetside Role Play type gameing, that could include conflicts and war....
It now looks like they have trown the idea of the R in RPG on planets right out the window.
As many posters have said CCP owes us nothing, but when they go against their word and lie (this game was in dev during the last fanfest of which I am talking) bold facedly to us does not bode well and makes my opinion of the company and my level of trust with them fall significantly.
I'm pretty sure it'll be on PC as well. No need to have a hemorrhage.
You know I could toss fuel on the fire by saying that PC guys now get a taste of what Mac users get but I won't. It's as pointless as complaining about where this game is coming out.
What I DO like about this is that it's an FPS in my Favorite MMO setting. The fact that they interact with each other in some way? Bonus! Almost makes me want to boot up Eve again. (If I did I'd be returning for the third time. A First for me and MMO's.)
All in all I look forward to hearing more on this.
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