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Let's pretend this game is no good.
sayuri2006
Member Posts: 161
Let's all pretend and say this game is utter crap, is boring, WoW totally knock's this game out of the water and will for the next 10 years BECAUSE...to be honest I do NOT want the community (or lack of) to start spreading to this game. The MAIN reason why I left WoW was because of the community and it's getting worse. The whole dumbing down of the game now with it's "let's cater to the MEMEME! must have now gratification casual" approach is reflected in the community.
I know this game holds your hands for the first 10 levels but let it also challenge you and make you work for progess. This alone combined with the fact that so far I have experienced a nice and mature community makes Aion more of an attraction to other like-minded people who don't seek others that plague the realms with their self absorbed behaviour.
I swear that any idiot on my server when the game goes live, as it occurs on other MMORPGs, will feel the wrath of our server and we will ignore you and we will isolate you. You will not get into any groups, and we will tell as many people as we can who you are and why we should isolate you. THIS is something that WoW has failed to address that other MMORPGs do.
So, let Aion continue to make players learn and work through the game for progress, you don't like this idea, stick to WoW.
Let's keep the Aion Community as it should be: This is a bold honest thread, but I know others feel the same.
Discuss...
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Why does every person who comes along in support of a new mmo automatically assume its main enemy is either A)Blizzard,
World of Warcraft, or C) WoW community?
Your generalizing over 10 million people here...
What exactly will this obvious flame bait thread is going to accomplish?
It certainly won't make the Aion community any better.
Besides, the forums are rarely an indication of an in-game community.
Frankly, there is nothing to discuss here. The point is, that any MMO needs a certain amount of paying members to be an economical success. It has to be an economical succees to keep it running and to develop it further, be it through patches or expansions.
The days, where 100k subscriptions for new releases are rated a succes are due over. I know that AION is successful in asia, however this doesn't mean jack for the western hemisphere.
I do understand your point, because the community in WOW sure is one of the worst in any MMO out there. Unfortunateyl, if you want to keep playing AION in the long run and witness expansions plus a real development, you will have to put up with alot of the old asshats.....they bring the bucks in.
A good thing about PvP games is, that you can retaliate against aforementioned asshats with ingame-methods, giving you some satisfaction and even some goals you might not have in a strictly pve-orientated game.
I don't believe that AION will be such a great success in the western world, as there are alot of people here, who don't like the forced pvp-part (me, being one of them), thus i won't buy AION.
Please, don't try and play the part of representative for the rest of us Aion players. We'll do fine on our own.
Not needed sayuri, simply the difficulty and risk involved in playing Aion in general will drive most of them away, the rest will adapt or wither. I just hope Aion is successful enough that the devs don't see any need to 'dumb down' Aion in an effort to draw a bigger crowd.
I do agree with the OP that I haven't seen the same kind of community in Aion that has developed in WoW. Very refreshing to find Aion having a much better community with people helping others with quests and all.
I'm just baffled players like you actually visit Aion forums. Why do you care what people think and why do you think it's necessary to come here and announce you won't play the game because it's got "such and such feature". I don't go to the forums of games I dislike and start trashing them because of a feature. This forum here is for people to discuss the game, not repeatedly dribble on about features that some may like and some may not. It isn't going to change.
The only people who I believe have a good reason to come here and give a negative review are players who write nonbiased reviews for each game they play. These people usually look at the game subjectively and are even able to say a game is solid and welldone even if it's not their taste.
P.S. NCSoft has stated they are targetting for being #2 in the West which is basically any subscriber base above 300-400k.
I'm just baffled players like you actually visit Aion forums. Why do you care what people think and why do you think it's necessary to come here and announce you won't play the game because it's got "such and such feature". I don't go to the forums of games I dislike and start trashing them because of a feature. This forum here is for people to discuss the game, not repeatedly dribble on about features that some may like and some may not. It isn't going to change.
The only people who I believe have a good reason to come here and give a negative review are players who write nonbiased reviews for each game they play. These people usually look at the game subjectively and are even able to say a game is solid and welldone even if it's not their taste.
P.S. NCSoft has stated they are targetting for being #2 in the West which is basically any subscriber base above 300-400k.
Your are probably baffled because you need to learn to read and comprehend. I haven't trashed AION with a single sentence I merely stated the reason, that i, and alot of people i have met online in 10 years+ of gaming will not play AION for the forced-pvp.
I am fully aware that alot of people crave for a good pvp-centric game in a fantasy setting. sci-fi geeks have Eve online, which i still occasionally play, yes even pvp there. Although i don't like it much either and will most likely sell my account soon (anyone want a 20 Million SP char ?). Eve is very well done and by itself a great game.
Personally i don't care if AION will be a success or not, however i am happy if people have fun with it and enjoy it. Why wouldn't i ? If an open-beta starts, i will try AION and i am pretty positive that it will be well done. Doesn't change my opinion about forced-pvp though.
I do visit alot of game-forums of games i don't play. I was interested in AION, so i usually follow the forums more or less. On a sidenote, i frankly don't care which forums you visit, or which you refuse to visit.
As of the statement from NC Soft, that range can be anywhere from 400k to 2 Million, going for gold would be unrealistiv atm. Having 300k subscribers, AION might survive, but you who will play it, want it to have way more, so the game will be develped farther. That was my point.
I hope for the same as well but if the majority of the tards on these forums are playing Aion, you can count on a horrible community over time.
"I play Tera for the gameplay"
I really never had any problem in any MMO community, including playing WoW for 3.5 years. Maybe its because I dont get wrapped up in all that junk.
EDIT: And as a reply to the topic title: Let's not.
i like chuck norris jokes and i will be playing aion, just saying
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Woo Hoo! Fame bait...I'll bite...
Pretend? Who needs to pretend the game is no good?
Let us work for our rewards and lead by example. The op shows merit in his words.
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I agree with Op.
But how can you guarantee, that "your" server will follow commands in shunning said "Idiot",determined by you?
I will not waste my time, worrying about who's being an idiot,when instead I could be having fun.
Unfortunately, WoW is currently the status quo. It is the most ubiquitous and notorious example of the MMO - and so, whether it deserves it or not, all new MMO's are inevitably compared with it. For other MMO producers this makes Blizzard and WoW "public enemy #1."
As for the community issue - it's sort of a branch of the above problem. Actual gamers - those of us that owned computers and gaming systems most of our lives and, until recently, were the pariahs of regular society, are now the minority in WoW. Why? because WoW attracted people who never gamed before, and likely may never game again. They're not intellectually-inclined, they don't have much in the way of interests (beside those bestowed upon them by popular culture) and for the most part, they're dumb, crude, adolescents in the bodies of adults.
I have to say from personal experience in Aion's beta that I did notice different behavior from the players I encountered in Aion than I've encountered in WoW. People actually *gasp* communicate - and not just with their guildmates. I dueled a fellow gladiator I met in town, we compared strategies, adjusted, and tried again... Then we sat down and had a nice talk about the game. Others noticed us chatting and came and sat down and joined in, and before long we had a nice gathering of people just randomly fraternizing and sharing. This was unheard of when I played WoW. Maybe I just had a crappy WoW experience, but I've heard lots of gamers complain about "WoW's community," and I really think there's something to it.
BURN THE EVIL OUT OF HIM BURN HIM I SAYZ!
And how many people did you just generalize by saying "...every person who comes along in support of a new mmo...." :-)
Sorry, just found the irony amusing, is all. Nothing against you, or WoW.
If your statement is typical of this "nice and mature community" filled with "like-minded people who don't seek others that plague the realms with their self absorbed behaviour," then I want nothing to do with your "maturity" and your definition of what is "nice."
Most "mature" people I know don't shun and ostracize those who don't conform. They offer polite, constructive criticism and try to engage the offending party, not turn them into social pariahs.
Your "mature and nice" community of witch hunters sounds anything but delightful. In fact, it sounds like the social bullying I witness everyday at my job. Just FWIW, I'm a junior high teacher. Isolating people and shunning them is how 13 year olds get back at people they don't like. Some emotionally immature adults do it too.
And for somebody who hates how "self-absorbed" these players are, don't you notice how you are applying YOUR standards to how THEY should play? You use the word "we" when you talk about what YOU will do to the offending parties. Have you ever heard of "psychological projection"? It may serve you to read up on it, humble yourself a bit, and try to offer helpful guidance to those who are asshats instead of making a point to isolate them.
Granted, a few are beyond saving (I know this for a fact given that 185 days of my year are normally devoted to a whole spectrum of students who come from all walks of life. What you want, and what you describe, is chilling and if I am on your server, I can promise I won't be some lapdog who blindly follows your judgments about whether or not to group with certain players.
I play Aion because the world and music bewitch me. I also enjoy socializing with my legion, but they are truly mature and nice, and I use those words doing my best to remove them from how you use them. Their philosophy is to suggest what they know works best, but let the individual ultimately decide how to best obtain their in-game goals. The type of bullying and peer pressure you describe has no part in mature behavior.
Maturity means accepting that some people are jerks, and some people are asshats, and it's better to just apply your energies to helping them, or doing something productive for yourself rather than running around talking smack and working against those individuals.
What you describe is corrosive and self-defeating. It's clear with your "discuss..." crap at the end of your post that it is a troll post, but for those who agree with OP, really think about it. Why spend so much energy vilifying somebody? Just help them out instead, or ignore them and go about your business.
You can't focus on the haters or idiots. They are always there, and if you dwell on that, you're toast.
Word.
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From a player point of view, oppinions are as legion as the amount of players. Some will put on the full hate behavior, others will simply shrug and accept other people have different tastes.
No publisher worth his salt is unaware of the fact that they in large part own their entire potential customer base to Blizzard. Before Blizzard MMOs were niche and geeky, now they are mainstream and the topic of discussion over coffee at offices all over the world.
From a player point of view, oppinions are as legion as the amount of players. Some will put on the full hate behavior, others will simply shrug and accept other people have different tastes.
No publisher worth his salt is unaware of the fact that they in large part own their entire potential customer base to Blizzard. Before Blizzard MMOs were niche and geeky, now they are mainstream and the topic of discussion over coffee at offices all over the world.
I am from, as they say, Old school MMO's. Hard leveling, harsh penalties, the works. I was playing EQ2 when WoW came out and I had no interest in it. a couple of my friends went to WoW and asked me to come over. After a couple months, I finally did. I have to say at first, I thought it was not that good. I didnt like the art style (I mean, I did just come from EQ2) but after really looking at it, I really started to appreciate the work that went into that style and came to like it a lot. As I was leveling, I was thinking, Now THIS is the way MMO's should have gone in terms of advancement. The longer I played though, that feeling started to go away. That feeling was replaced with something else, something I couldn't quite put into words. It later became obvious to me and it was that I had no sense of accomplishment within the game. Sure, I made level 60. Sure, I went to another server and made another level 60. While the game was entertaining, it lacked something and that something was finally realized. Everything was being handed to me on a silver platter. I had no pride in my characters as I did in earlier games. I had no fear of the world as I did in earlier games. All that had been lost.
Sure, my hunter had a 75% win rate in pvp, My Shaman 90%+, and that part of it was entertaining but the pve side of the game had no feelings of true accomplishments. There really was nothing there that I felt from the old school mmo's. Man, I got stories I could tell you about my cleric and my mage from the old eq1 days that would curl your hair. The best I can give you from wow might make you get split ends.
Do I hate wow, no. Like I said it was entertaining to a point. But I can say that MMO's of today have taken away the one thing that actually mattered and that is fear. Without fear there can not be any true sense of accomplishment. Oh you will have moments of overcoming some great odds and being victorious, but in the end, there is no fear and thus there is no true accomplishment. My ruling is still out on Aion as I don't know if at any point it ever instills fear into you, but if it does, then I am going to be one happy camper.
Very Well said, and do completely agree
QFT. I've played several of the beta weekends and there is no need to pretend. The only pretending going on is that this game is somehow better than any other F2P Asian game and deserves a monthly fee.
And the WoW community? I played WoW for around a year and I never once saw a person with a name like Dickbutt. But I have in Aion.= )
QFT. I've played several of the beta weekends and there is no need to pretend. The only pretending going on is that this game is somehow better than any other F2P Asian game and deserves a monthly fee.
And the WoW community? I played WoW for around a year and I never once saw a person with a name like Dickbutt. But I have in Aion.= )
lol i think that goes to show your a complete liar . you cant not play warcraft without seeing players with stupid childish names . admitedly i never saw a dickbutt but i ve seen a shitty , a fartpower , pownu , bigknob and a felch in my time .and thats the tip of a very big ice burg in warcraft .
on a side note have you ever noticed how many death knights names include the word death in thier name .
From a player point of view, oppinions are as legion as the amount of players. Some will put on the full hate behavior, others will simply shrug and accept other people have different tastes.
No publisher worth his salt is unaware of the fact that they in large part own their entire potential customer base to Blizzard. Before Blizzard MMOs were niche and geeky, now they are mainstream and the topic of discussion over coffee at offices all over the world.
I am from, as they say, Old school MMO's. Hard leveling, harsh penalties, the works. I was playing EQ2 when WoW came out and I had no interest in it. a couple of my friends went to WoW and asked me to come over. After a couple months, I finally did. I have to say at first, I thought it was not that good. I didnt like the art style (I mean, I did just come from EQ2) but after really looking at it, I really started to appreciate the work that went into that style and came to like it a lot. As I was leveling, I was thinking, Now THIS is the way MMO's should have gone in terms of advancement. The longer I played though, that feeling started to go away. That feeling was replaced with something else, something I couldn't quite put into words. It later became obvious to me and it was that I had no sense of accomplishment within the game. Sure, I made level 60. Sure, I went to another server and made another level 60. While the game was entertaining, it lacked something and that something was finally realized. Everything was being handed to me on a silver platter. I had no pride in my characters as I did in earlier games. I had no fear of the world as I did in earlier games. All that had been lost.
Sure, my hunter had a 75% win rate in pvp, My Shaman 90%+, and that part of it was entertaining but the pve side of the game had no feelings of true accomplishments. There really was nothing there that I felt from the old school mmo's. Man, I got stories I could tell you about my cleric and my mage from the old eq1 days that would curl your hair. The best I can give you from wow might make you get split ends.
Do I hate wow, no. Like I said it was entertaining to a point. But I can say that MMO's of today have taken away the one thing that actually mattered and that is fear. Without fear there can not be any true sense of accomplishment. Oh you will have moments of overcoming some great odds and being victorious, but in the end, there is no fear and thus there is no true accomplishment. My ruling is still out on Aion as I don't know if at any point it ever instills fear into you, but if it does, then I am going to be one happy camper.
i totally agree there does need to be a fear factor . warcraft had one to a certain point when it was released . but the adding off more graveyeards so if you were killed really ment you could ress pretty much almost imediatly because where ever you die now you have literally no distance to travel .
warcraft been aimed more and more at the younger casual player . i dont hate it either but i see no point in playing it because i find its dull now .