If they offer a set of clown costume pieces for $1-2 (and its applied across your entire account not just one char). I'm OK w/ that.
If they offer some rare blueprint that takes more than 2 hours of questing/raiding to get, for anything less than $10 then i have a problem w/ that.
As long as they keep the costume pieces extremely niche (stuff which they otherwise wouldnt have added to the game).
And keep the in game items priced high enough to discourage casual use, so that the people buying them really do want them & have to buy them because they dont have the time to grind it (or as sort of a punishment / negative to keep just the lazy away).
I think we are going to have to see what they actually put on this item mall to properly judge what Cryptic is up to. Since we don't know, those of us against it could be surprised to find that they put nothing on there but some costume pieces that are not that interesting. Those who are defending it may be surprised to find that 90% of the best costume items are on the item mall along with items that do affect gameplay. Whenever they get around to revealing what is in their item mall, we will know.
What bothers me is this: 1. Getting back to my original topic, Cryptic solicited feedback about RMT in a forum post and have so far ignored the 4000+ posts in the thread for more than a month. 2. They have left the item mall out of the open beta, so nobody will really know the impact it will have on the game until after launch.
If I was Cryptic, and if my Item Mall really was going to be limited in such a way that it would not affect gameplay and everything, I would have released details about it by now. I would have nothing to hide. Cryptic is being... well... cryptic. That should make you wonder.
I think we are going to have to see what they actually put on this item mall to properly judge what Cryptic is up to. Since we don't know, those of us against it could be surprised to find that they put nothing on there but some costume pieces that are not that interesting. Those who are defending it may be surprised to find that 90% of the best costume items are on the item mall along with items that do affect gameplay. Whenever they get around to revealing what is in their item mall, we will know. What bothers me is this:
1. Getting back to my original topic, Cryptic solicited feedback about RMT in a forum post and have so far ignored the 4000+ posts in the thread for more than a month.
2. They have left the item mall out of the open beta, so nobody will really know the impact it will have on the game until after launch. If I was Cryptic, and if my Item Mall really was going to be limited in such a way that it would not affect gameplay and everything, I would have released details about it by now. I would have nothing to hide. Cryptic is being... well... cryptic. That should make you wonder.
That's very fair. I too am curious why they haven't made an official statement yet. I suppose they are still wondering how players feel about it. But the longer they keep potential customers in the dark, the more they might get upset. Who knows? Maybe the beta testers should complain more?
I just think the whole debate about whether having MTs with subs are right or wrong seems pointless. Cryptic has already decided on it.
I think we are going to have to see what they actually put on this item mall to properly judge what Cryptic is up to. Since we don't know, those of us against it could be surprised to find that they put nothing on there but some costume pieces that are not that interesting. Those who are defending it may be surprised to find that 90% of the best costume items are on the item mall along with items that do affect gameplay. Whenever they get around to revealing what is in their item mall, we will know. What bothers me is this:
1. Getting back to my original topic, Cryptic solicited feedback about RMT in a forum post and have so far ignored the 4000+ posts in the thread for more than a month.
2. They have left the item mall out of the open beta, so nobody will really know the impact it will have on the game until after launch. If I was Cryptic, and if my Item Mall really was going to be limited in such a way that it would not affect gameplay and everything, I would have released details about it by now. I would have nothing to hide. Cryptic is being... well... cryptic. That should make you wonder.
That's very fair. I too am curious why they haven't made an official statement yet. I suppose they are still wondering how players feel about it. But the longer they keep potential customers in the dark, the more they might get upset. Who knows? Maybe the beta testers should complain more?
I just think the whole debate about whether having MTs with subs are right or wrong seems pointless. Cryptic has already decided on it.
They may have decided to have a MT store. But they can still & most probably will be swayed in how far they take it by the feedback. I doubt they're oblivious to the fact that there are thousands of threads & 10s of thousands of posts on the net from ppl who dont like the idea. It's probably the most discussed area of the game.
I think we are going to have to see what they actually put on this item mall to properly judge what Cryptic is up to. Since we don't know, those of us against it could be surprised to find that they put nothing on there but some costume pieces that are not that interesting. Those who are defending it may be surprised to find that 90% of the best costume items are on the item mall along with items that do affect gameplay. Whenever they get around to revealing what is in their item mall, we will know. What bothers me is this:
1. Getting back to my original topic, Cryptic solicited feedback about RMT in a forum post and have so far ignored the 4000+ posts in the thread for more than a month.
2. They have left the item mall out of the open beta, so nobody will really know the impact it will have on the game until after launch. If I was Cryptic, and if my Item Mall really was going to be limited in such a way that it would not affect gameplay and everything, I would have released details about it by now. I would have nothing to hide. Cryptic is being... well... cryptic. That should make you wonder.
That's very fair. I too am curious why they haven't made an official statement yet. I suppose they are still wondering how players feel about it. But the longer they keep potential customers in the dark, the more they might get upset. Who knows? Maybe the beta testers should complain more?
I just think the whole debate about whether having MTs with subs are right or wrong seems pointless. Cryptic has already decided on it.
They may have decided to have a MT store. But they can still & most probably will be swayed in how far they take it by the feedback. I doubt they're oblivious to the fact that there are thousands of threads & 10s of thousands of posts on the net from ppl who dont like the idea. It's probably the most discussed area of the game.
Right. So argue about what should or should not be in the store. There's no reason to complain about the store itself when that's already been decided and won't be changing.
I think we are going to have to see what they actually put on this item mall to properly judge what Cryptic is up to. Since we don't know, those of us against it could be surprised to find that they put nothing on there but some costume pieces that are not that interesting. Those who are defending it may be surprised to find that 90% of the best costume items are on the item mall along with items that do affect gameplay. Whenever they get around to revealing what is in their item mall, we will know. What bothers me is this:
1. Getting back to my original topic, Cryptic solicited feedback about RMT in a forum post and have so far ignored the 4000+ posts in the thread for more than a month.
2. They have left the item mall out of the open beta, so nobody will really know the impact it will have on the game until after launch. If I was Cryptic, and if my Item Mall really was going to be limited in such a way that it would not affect gameplay and everything, I would have released details about it by now. I would have nothing to hide. Cryptic is being... well... cryptic. That should make you wonder.
That's very fair. I too am curious why they haven't made an official statement yet. I suppose they are still wondering how players feel about it. But the longer they keep potential customers in the dark, the more they might get upset. Who knows? Maybe the beta testers should complain more?
I just think the whole debate about whether having MTs with subs are right or wrong seems pointless. Cryptic has already decided on it.
Maybe, but maybe they are considering dropping the idea altogether.
Players have a chance to affect not only this game's development, but the future of MMOs in general. It's time to say no to being nickel and dimed to death for stuff that should be put in the game as part of normal development.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
I think we are going to have to see what they actually put on this item mall to properly judge what Cryptic is up to. Since we don't know, those of us against it could be surprised to find that they put nothing on there but some costume pieces that are not that interesting. Those who are defending it may be surprised to find that 90% of the best costume items are on the item mall along with items that do affect gameplay. Whenever they get around to revealing what is in their item mall, we will know. What bothers me is this:
1. Getting back to my original topic, Cryptic solicited feedback about RMT in a forum post and have so far ignored the 4000+ posts in the thread for more than a month.
2. They have left the item mall out of the open beta, so nobody will really know the impact it will have on the game until after launch. If I was Cryptic, and if my Item Mall really was going to be limited in such a way that it would not affect gameplay and everything, I would have released details about it by now. I would have nothing to hide. Cryptic is being... well... cryptic. That should make you wonder.
That's very fair. I too am curious why they haven't made an official statement yet. I suppose they are still wondering how players feel about it. But the longer they keep potential customers in the dark, the more they might get upset. Who knows? Maybe the beta testers should complain more?
I just think the whole debate about whether having MTs with subs are right or wrong seems pointless. Cryptic has already decided on it.
They may have decided to have a MT store. But they can still & most probably will be swayed in how far they take it by the feedback. I doubt they're oblivious to the fact that there are thousands of threads & 10s of thousands of posts on the net from ppl who dont like the idea. It's probably the most discussed area of the game.
Right. So argue about what should or should not be in the store. There's no reason to complain about the store itself when that's already been decided and won't be changing.
Not really. People who say they hate the idea in general probably make a stronger statement to Cryptic than those who say they're accepting of it but dont wanna be nickel & dimed. Even if Cryptic won't remove it because of that, they will still take it into account when figuring out how mild to make it.
For the record, Cryptic Studios stands alone (so far) as the only company confirmed to have a subscription and regular RMT for game content in the US.
That is a lie. Everquest II did this with little add-on packs from $3-8bucks, they have I think 3 of the:
Entitlement: The Bloodline Chronicles
Entitlement: The Fallen Dynasty
Entitlement: The Splitpaw Saga
I PAID EXTRA FOR THESE!
I am not playing this game, because I can't stand the combat, but for you to say that means your un-informed about the US market in all shapes and forms, when a bleeding example is right there.
Not to mention there card games for "free realms, EQ/EQII, and SWG" that allow extra purchasing of packs for ingame rewards. I specifically remember getting a Pod racer and selling it for about 120bucks on paypal to a player.
For the record, Cryptic Studios stands alone (so far) as the only company confirmed to have a subscription and regular RMT for game content in the US.
I am not playing this game, because I can't stand the combat, but for you to say that means your un-informed about the US market in all shapes and forms, when a bleeding example is right there.
Yes, I missed that. I've never played EQ or EQ2, and didn't know they added item malls. So Cryptic stands side-by-side with SOE. Good for them.
I think this is the biggest issue for MMORPGs currently. I don't like the idea of paying a subscription fee, which ostensibly is meant to pay for content updates and server upkeep, and then having to pay more for certain content. If it works for CO, it could become the norm for future MMOs, and I think it opens a can of worms for developers to find other ways to tack on "surcharges" in addition to subscription fees.
I honestly don't think there's any need to be concerned.
SOE have already gone down this road. In a market showing enormous growth - 27% outside of WoW in 2008 - SOE have recently laid of 5% of their staff, hot on the heels of the release of an MT based game, and not very long after dropping item malls into several of their subscription titles (eg. EQ and EQ2).
It has already failed.
And while I don't think CO is craptastic, I think that even putting aside the MTs, it will have fairly limited appeal. It has high system requirements, limited pvp, major power balance problems, is extremely solo-oriented, superhero, cartoony graphics etc. etc. I personally don't mind the high system requirements or the final two - but when you lay all of CO's cards on the table, there are a lot of reasons to not play the game.
If the game was better, I don't think the MTs would be there.
For the record, Cryptic Studios stands alone (so far) as the only company confirmed to have a subscription and regular RMT for game content in the US.
I am not playing this game, because I can't stand the combat, but for you to say that means your un-informed about the US market in all shapes and forms, when a bleeding example is right there.
Yes, I missed that. I've never played EQ or EQ2, and didn't know they added item malls. So Cryptic stands side-by-side with SOE. Good for them.
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If they offer a set of clown costume pieces for $1-2 (and its applied across your entire account not just one char). I'm OK w/ that.
If they offer some rare blueprint that takes more than 2 hours of questing/raiding to get, for anything less than $10 then i have a problem w/ that.
As long as they keep the costume pieces extremely niche (stuff which they otherwise wouldnt have added to the game).
And keep the in game items priced high enough to discourage casual use, so that the people buying them really do want them & have to buy them because they dont have the time to grind it (or as sort of a punishment / negative to keep just the lazy away).
I think we are going to have to see what they actually put on this item mall to properly judge what Cryptic is up to. Since we don't know, those of us against it could be surprised to find that they put nothing on there but some costume pieces that are not that interesting. Those who are defending it may be surprised to find that 90% of the best costume items are on the item mall along with items that do affect gameplay. Whenever they get around to revealing what is in their item mall, we will know.
What bothers me is this:
1. Getting back to my original topic, Cryptic solicited feedback about RMT in a forum post and have so far ignored the 4000+ posts in the thread for more than a month.
2. They have left the item mall out of the open beta, so nobody will really know the impact it will have on the game until after launch.
If I was Cryptic, and if my Item Mall really was going to be limited in such a way that it would not affect gameplay and everything, I would have released details about it by now. I would have nothing to hide. Cryptic is being... well... cryptic. That should make you wonder.
That's very fair. I too am curious why they haven't made an official statement yet. I suppose they are still wondering how players feel about it. But the longer they keep potential customers in the dark, the more they might get upset. Who knows? Maybe the beta testers should complain more?
I just think the whole debate about whether having MTs with subs are right or wrong seems pointless. Cryptic has already decided on it.
That's very fair. I too am curious why they haven't made an official statement yet. I suppose they are still wondering how players feel about it. But the longer they keep potential customers in the dark, the more they might get upset. Who knows? Maybe the beta testers should complain more?
I just think the whole debate about whether having MTs with subs are right or wrong seems pointless. Cryptic has already decided on it.
They may have decided to have a MT store. But they can still & most probably will be swayed in how far they take it by the feedback. I doubt they're oblivious to the fact that there are thousands of threads & 10s of thousands of posts on the net from ppl who dont like the idea. It's probably the most discussed area of the game.
That's very fair. I too am curious why they haven't made an official statement yet. I suppose they are still wondering how players feel about it. But the longer they keep potential customers in the dark, the more they might get upset. Who knows? Maybe the beta testers should complain more?
I just think the whole debate about whether having MTs with subs are right or wrong seems pointless. Cryptic has already decided on it.
They may have decided to have a MT store. But they can still & most probably will be swayed in how far they take it by the feedback. I doubt they're oblivious to the fact that there are thousands of threads & 10s of thousands of posts on the net from ppl who dont like the idea. It's probably the most discussed area of the game.
Right. So argue about what should or should not be in the store. There's no reason to complain about the store itself when that's already been decided and won't be changing.
That's very fair. I too am curious why they haven't made an official statement yet. I suppose they are still wondering how players feel about it. But the longer they keep potential customers in the dark, the more they might get upset. Who knows? Maybe the beta testers should complain more?
I just think the whole debate about whether having MTs with subs are right or wrong seems pointless. Cryptic has already decided on it.
Maybe, but maybe they are considering dropping the idea altogether.
Players have a chance to affect not only this game's development, but the future of MMOs in general. It's time to say no to being nickel and dimed to death for stuff that should be put in the game as part of normal development.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
That's very fair. I too am curious why they haven't made an official statement yet. I suppose they are still wondering how players feel about it. But the longer they keep potential customers in the dark, the more they might get upset. Who knows? Maybe the beta testers should complain more?
I just think the whole debate about whether having MTs with subs are right or wrong seems pointless. Cryptic has already decided on it.
They may have decided to have a MT store. But they can still & most probably will be swayed in how far they take it by the feedback. I doubt they're oblivious to the fact that there are thousands of threads & 10s of thousands of posts on the net from ppl who dont like the idea. It's probably the most discussed area of the game.
Right. So argue about what should or should not be in the store. There's no reason to complain about the store itself when that's already been decided and won't be changing.
Not really. People who say they hate the idea in general probably make a stronger statement to Cryptic than those who say they're accepting of it but dont wanna be nickel & dimed. Even if Cryptic won't remove it because of that, they will still take it into account when figuring out how mild to make it.
The thread has had it's "sticky" status removed by someone at Cryptic. They are trying to remove it from the front page.
That's encouraging....
That is a lie. Everquest II did this with little add-on packs from $3-8bucks, they have I think 3 of the:
Entitlement: The Bloodline Chronicles
Entitlement: The Fallen Dynasty
Entitlement: The Splitpaw Saga
I PAID EXTRA FOR THESE!
I am not playing this game, because I can't stand the combat, but for you to say that means your un-informed about the US market in all shapes and forms, when a bleeding example is right there.
Not to mention there card games for "free realms, EQ/EQII, and SWG" that allow extra purchasing of packs for ingame rewards. I specifically remember getting a Pod racer and selling it for about 120bucks on paypal to a player.
Yes, I missed that. I've never played EQ or EQ2, and didn't know they added item malls. So Cryptic stands side-by-side with SOE. Good for them.
I honestly don't think there's any need to be concerned.
SOE have already gone down this road. In a market showing enormous growth - 27% outside of WoW in 2008 - SOE have recently laid of 5% of their staff, hot on the heels of the release of an MT based game, and not very long after dropping item malls into several of their subscription titles (eg. EQ and EQ2).
It has already failed.
And while I don't think CO is craptastic, I think that even putting aside the MTs, it will have fairly limited appeal. It has high system requirements, limited pvp, major power balance problems, is extremely solo-oriented, superhero, cartoony graphics etc. etc. I personally don't mind the high system requirements or the final two - but when you lay all of CO's cards on the table, there are a lot of reasons to not play the game.
If the game was better, I don't think the MTs would be there.
I am not playing this game, because I can't stand the combat, but for you to say that means your un-informed about the US market in all shapes and forms, when a bleeding example is right there.
Yes, I missed that. I've never played EQ or EQ2, and didn't know they added item malls. So Cryptic stands side-by-side with SOE. Good for them.
I think "added" is the key word in that sentence.
So out of curiousity...How much would any of you pay for a new hat? 2.00? 5.00? 10.00?
$0.00
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Sure, I'd give them 5.00 Thai Baht for that (about 17 cents). Wait! What currency are you talking about? Dollars?! Not a chance.
I would pay about $15 per month for full access to the game.