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Without a graphics engine update Cataclysm is really little more than a paid for patch .
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When i first read the details about this expansion i was initially quite excited by it . But when some ingame friends said its really nothing more than Blizzard doing a Caverns of time to the entire game world . I had another look at what was really on offer and i realised the content of this Xpac is for the most part the type of thing we would normally get in a major patch . I really feel that they need to offer more to justify charging for it . The thing i think most would make this really worth its price is an overhall of the graphics engine . it would be great to experiance WOW with up to date graphics any revamp without one really is nothing more than tinkering the existing game .
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In addition they stated that not every area will be changed terrain-wise and that leads me to believe that we wont see a graphic update on the old azeroth but terrain changes like floods and gorges in some zones.
There will be a complete quest revamp though and zone lvls may be altered.
And some folks say its the 2nd coming of the NGE or call it WOW 2.0.
I suspect the diffferences will fall somewhere in between, and there will be significant changes w/o altering the overall player experience that most people enjoy.
But hey, if you don't like it, stop playing it, that's what I did about 3 years ago.
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Hands you a shiny bell...go play with that and shut up. This isn't anything like CoT. this is a new story line, something WoW hasn't really tried before. The BC and WotLK only opened up lore we already knew about. Cataclysm, to me, sounds like a whole new story line, Deathwing is back and kicking ass. I'm happy with the idea of changing the old world, its huge and as it is now so many zones are unused. if it wasn't for achievements I'm sure alot of people would never see alot of the pre 60 content.
This isn't the first time a MMO and done this. EQ2 kept the same would just changed it and it was a whole new game. I'm really not sure how WoW graphics can improve with out changing them, I know they aren't top of the line but they still look great.
Cataclysm sounds like an attempt to improve story and content, I'm glad Blizz isn't just tossing money at better looks and shiny features.
Only problem is you can only revamp the graphic so far before making it another game all together. They can patch WoW so it looks a bit more imporved/detailed/altered. The problem still remains if they try any big changes to the graphic and also overhaul the engine, they might as well make a WoW II since it is just not cost effective to do such a big overhaul on a aged game. Blizzard might have better luck by focus on their newer projects since they have always been better at making new games than patching from their track record in the past.
They are not going to implament a new graphics engine for some zones, then switch the old one for others especially with the way zoning works in wow.
Also the changes they are planning to make are way, way, way more than just a major patch, most major patches have added a city, or a whole instance, raid ect. and for the record, most of the changes will be for free and in a patch you need the expansion for things like leveling to 85, flying in azeroth, playing the new races, going into the cataclysm zones. standard stuff.
I'd just be excited about it if you were originally excited about it, there are gonna be alot of people who are going to hate this idea, thinking it lazy and pointless and whatever, but the truth is It's going to be just as hard to redo azeroth as it would be to make a new area altogether, and this is suppose to be there to help increase the population across all levels, as it is most people are at level cap and when people are trying to find a group while leveling its gets pretty barren sometimes.
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Adding "Up to date" graphics is probably the most stupid thing Blizzard could do. I can run WoW on an asus e900 at the moment, now imagine all the sub par PCs that can play this game. Why take that away? it would be like telling a chunk of their player base to get lost, thus loosing money.
Adding "Up to date" graphics is probably the most stupid thing Blizzard could do. I can run WoW on an asus e900 at the moment, now imagine all the sub par PCs that can play this game. Why take that away? it would be like telling a chunk of their player base to get lost, thus loosing money.
Isn't that exactly what they do with driving the veterans away with constantly making the game easier? Looks like they now aim at the 10 year old kids as their target audience with all the simplifications.
Whats funny is that WoW probably doesn't mind it losing its veteran players. Im not throwing out accurate statistics or anything but for every 1 veteran that leaves probably 2-3 10 year old kids join up. They're doing what it takes to bring people into the game and make money. I dont think the amount of veterans lost versus the amount of new players gained compare.
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Adding "Up to date" graphics is probably the most stupid thing Blizzard could do. I can run WoW on an asus e900 at the moment, now imagine all the sub par PCs that can play this game. Why take that away? it would be like telling a chunk of their player base to get lost, thus loosing money.
There could easily be an option to "Use New Graphics" or, "Use Old Graphics".
On a possibly related note, Blizzard has a notice on their log in that they are going to collect hardware information from people who log in during a specified time period (couple weeks or a month, not really sure). Seems like a good opportunity to determine what the lowest common denominator is and determine potential losses that might be experienced if the games requirements increased.
...or...it could be completely unrelated....just food for thought I guess.
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There is no need to for a graphics engine overhaul. Maybe some refinement. The changes in the next xpac is needed as it was asked for by majority of the WOW player base, both veterans in and out of the game. This will breathe fresh life back into a game that is 5 years old. I've played wow for 3+ years and am welcoming in the much needed changes. I've tried all the others and though the graphics are quite better, but the gameplay is not on par with wow. I'm not dissing any of the other titles, they are good in their own ways. They are just not my cup of tea(s).
I thought they already collected hardware information? Sometimes when I would log into WoW back when I used to play there would be a notification as I logged on saying that it was getting some kind of info.
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this whole tread is irelevent!
why?
every expension blizzard has released for this game improved graphic !yes even wotlk!
in wotlk it was the look of the toon in northrend if i recall some othe subtle eye candy
but these im sorry to say wow never really bothered to show them off ,they are always subtle change ,i bet if blizzard showed the vanilla wow ,yes we cant see it otherwise, its fully patched only blizzard can show us the diff from 2004 ,we are so used to the game we forget that they added screen resolution etc
i do hope blizzard show the original wow the first ever cd or dvd released in 2004 and do a comparo look with the same area but with the new feature on it !i bet a lot will say no way i played this game in 2004 !god what was i thinking!
not lot of people had the computer to run eq2 back then and when multi-core was finaly supported by soe the damage was done
the way multi-core was patched in eq2 is still far from what i could be but at least now the game works ,i remember in april 2007 being mad for about a week because i had technical issue being graphic looked bad ,every pentium 4 could see eq2 nice
and me i was seeing it soo ugly i was like is this my 4 year old kid that designed this game back then!
i m happy to say now eq2 look so awsome on multi-core now i know why some have been playing it a long time
ps:if you go back to everquest2 and your an amd user like the x2 4200 serie etc! dont forget to patch the processor ,and no the old patch they released in the past doesnt work it was bugged! so if you did patch it prior to 2009 go back to amd and patch the processor again they released a new version that make ton of difference.
I m not saying the current graphics are bad . It does nt bother me they are a bit toony . They are essentially the same as they were 5 years ago . admitedly i can run them now on fall where as back then i did nt have a pc that could handle the job . My arguement is souly that the Cataclysm offers too little in the way of new ground to be truly called an expansion .Its a revamp yes but normally such a revamp would be done in a patch . OK there are new player races and a few new areas to explore but its not enough to justify charging loyal fans of warcraft . I think if they offered the option of a graphics engine update it would really make this worth it but as it stands i think its a little bit of a rip off and should have been offered in a patch or a series of them over the next year or so .
WOW2 - launched after 5 years anniversary - is not going to get downplayed in a patch.
No matter how much you long for it....
And no I am not going through yet another 5 pages long list of new features.
Discussing it would be a waste of time as MORE old players will buy the "new" Azeroth than WotLK.
Everyone wants to be in that new "reborn" thing.(see the forums)
.... So you would be very stupid to not sell it as an expansion kit.
cata come her boy !(gigle)
i sure will prob come back ,unless i like eq2 more then wow we ll see when that time come for now its summer time and after that its eq2 time
Meh, when it was announced, I almost knew it was just a last ditch effort for a money boost to get the developing in for the new MMO.
Don't get me wrong, a few things in Cataclysm look cool, but redoing half of Azeroth? Terrible idea.
I'm glad I quit a few month ago.
They're actually re-doing all of azeroth with the quality of WoTLK as well as making it accessible for flying. It's an ambitious project.
This game looks great as it is right now. But that's my opinion. People that want graphics a la AoC are dreaming. Ain't gonna happen. Better wait for a new Blizzard MMO and see if they deliver those graphics. Call it patch or whatever you want, this expansion is going to be a new beginning. And with the new races added there will be another 5 years of glorious WoW to come. Just in time for the next Blizzard MMO I hope.
In terms of WoW xpacks, this one doesn't bring anything less to the table then the previous two. And to be on topic: I regard this as a gfx update:
preXpack: static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/august/artpanel_070.jpg
Xpac: static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/august/artpanel_071.jpg
Also, why must every thread about WoW have an insult towards the WoW community? Is it really necessary?
its probably why deathwing crash azeroth ,i bet blizz dev asked deathwing hey man could you destroy azeroth we want to redo it lol
The cataclysm will be a major patch since you wont need to purchase the xpac for the old world revamp. You only need to purchase the xpac for the new zones, races, level cap, etc... Read the FAQs at Blizzards Cataclysm website
As ambitious as it is, and it is very ambitious, is it worth 50 dollars for the standard DVD and 70 or 80 for the collector's edition?
Ask yourself this, "If I only have 50 dollars and $15 a month will I go with the expansion or will I go with the new kids on the block such as Star Wars or another new release should they share a release in the same quarter?"
From a business stand point it will be very interesting to see how the chips fall. As we saw with the WoTLK players tried out the new stuff but then a good deal of them returned and also bought the expansion as well. Quite interesting considering the economy.
Sound like you need to look into what you get with cata that on what your friends say, theres a sticky at the top of the WOW forums with over 4 hours of video from blizzcon talking about cata.
ews system, able to flag your guild as LFM and players can look you up using the ingame UI and apply.
Well that's the highlights and the OP thinks that amount of content should be in a major patch?
The next major patch is 3.3 (last patch for wrath), adding the cross server LFG and Icecrown which is a 12 boss raid dungeon and x2 5man dungeons. It will also start off the pre-cataclysm in game events... hum guess that just a minor bug fix patch for you OP
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forget new graphics. Update and Add new Body Models.
Worgen got a new different model from the past Worgen. Why not Humans, Orcs and other races?
Link me to this info please. I cant seem to find this stuff on the Blizzcon page.
At first I thought this X-pac was going to boring since only new races were being added but without new classes to go along with them (TBC) but after hearing that Classes and Talents will be getting total revamps, thats basically like adding 10 new Classes to the game.
I excited to see how this will work.
Also the thing about the Major Cities getting updates ROCK!!! Finally Undercity looking Cool and Large. Above Ground!!! Please I hope they add the lower Districts to Ironforge. Gnomergan Back perhaps? hehe
Warlocks' Shard system getting revamped Woot. I hope its something cool, and not something lame like just a stupid power boost like Death Knight's Runic Power.
Trall really dieing? Where are you all hearing this from cause I want to see. Any Alliance Leader changes or effects?
I still dont understand how Guild LvLing will work. I herd that not all players in the guild effect the Guild Lvling process, only the high ranked Leaders(PvP/PvE) and High Ranked Raider. This rumor I didnt like because as a Casual Raider, I enjoy PvP more and want to improve my Guild in some way through my PvP grinding alone at least. I at least want some of my efforts to effect my Guild Ranking, even if iam not a high ranked in the guild.