Bill Ropers used those examples, nobody bought it then either.
Then could you explain to me what the problem is with microtransactions? I don't get why people freak out over them.
If you don't want to pay money for an extra character slot, then don't. Why should other people be unable to do that?
It's not like people are going to have some sort of advantage in the game over you, that you can't get yourself somehow. Sure they may look cooler, but it's not like it's going to break the bank if you do buy something you really want either.
Most people are worried they are to add that stuff later.
Others don't like the idea because it should be part of the monthly fee.
I think this, yet I still bought the game. I still won't touch the MT stuff... my way of saying it was a stupid idea.
I understand some people think that they should get all the MT items as part of the monthly fee, but that's just not practical. For things like Character Slots or Name Changes or stuff like that, other companies charge extra for those. The costume parts and other cosmetic things, other companies charge you for those too, they just don't give them to you until you buy an expansion.
Perhaps they could save up all their costumes and release them in an expansion, but I don't think you'd really want that either. That way you'd have to pay for everything, not just the ones you want. You'd have to wait until the whole expansion was done instead of just the piece you want.
If you look at most other games, they don't actually give you any new content between expansions either. WoW has their big update patches but what people forget is those things like Ulduar and the Tournament are actually things that were unfinished from their previous expansion. The monthly fee doesn't get you any new content (in most games) so you shouldn't expect it here. What you're getting with the MT store is the ability to pick and choose which pieces of new content you want rather than having to buy a whole expansion. The monthly fee is getting you access to their servers and their support team and so on. Think of it like cable tv. Some channels you get for free. Basic cable packages are a monthly fee, but if you want HBO you gotta pay extra.
Realistically, microtransactions are everywhere in our daily lives. Your cable company, your car, any of the monthly services you use. Cellphones are a perfect example. You have to pay for the phone, and then a monthly fee just to use it. If you want to send text messages you might have to pay more. Why is it bad in CO and not on your cell phone?
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
I understand some people think that they should get all the MT items as part of the monthly fee, but that's just not practical. For things like Character Slots or Name Changes or stuff like that, other companies charge extra for those. The costume parts and other cosmetic things, other companies charge you for those too, they just don't give them to you until you buy an expansion. Perhaps they could save up all their costumes and release them in an expansion, but I don't think you'd really want that either. That way you'd have to pay for everything, not just the ones you want. You'd have to wait until the whole expansion was done instead of just the piece you want. If you look at most other games, they don't actually give you any new content between expansions either. WoW has their big update patches but what people forget is those things like Ulduar and the Tournament are actually things that were unfinished from their previous expansion. The monthly fee doesn't get you any new content (in most games) so you shouldn't expect it here. What you're getting with the MT store is the ability to pick and choose which pieces of new content you want rather than having to buy a whole expansion. The monthly fee is getting you access to their servers and their support team and so on. Think of it like cable tv. Some channels you get for free. Basic cable packages are a monthly fee, but if you want HBO you gotta pay extra. Realistically, microtransactions are everywhere in our daily lives. Your cable company, your car, any of the monthly services you use. Cellphones are a perfect example. You have to pay for the phone, and then a monthly fee just to use it. If you want to send text messages you might have to pay more. Why is it bad in CO and not on your cell phone?
That's a lot to explain that MT's exist lol. What are you debating? they don't exist? To be honest in your mini poll, I would rather pay it all then have tid bits of item's i wish came with the whole game...and they got to make them cooler too so you feel left out. It's a Mind thing Blurr.
The problem presented is the fact that CO is turning off A lot of players for MT item's (not the ones that make sense like wow with character transfurs and such...this is a little different) Estamation, You would be paying 14.99 a month + let's say an extra $20 for MT your paying 34.99 a month. And if you are a die hard fan, possibly more. If you keep a budget, you may play 1-3 mmo's or more and know you have a bill comming with 45.00 bucks (example) But with a MT...think...if you played 3 mmo's in the future that all of them have MT, your looking near to 150+. Just like my phone...
You might have money to blow, you might have not. But Point is they are Tempting...If people like you who support this feature keep it up...Your just going to get SMT -Sub Miro Transaction besides the MT...and if you give in more...your going to get MTF -Mirco transaction Fee's-
If you ever dream to become a good developer...You would relize this is a mistake as you are going to Loose Interest's of Thousand's of players...I would'nt want to loose those players for greed. Heck if i lost them...i lost A lot of money...MT makes up for it though a little bit for a little time. But if you can't keep players with your games with monthly fee's...Give them alittle more content to keep them happy and stay with you yes? (Wrong) the game will still get boring. I hope this is not what they thought when creating the game. If it is its Doomed.
But you kind of get the idea now blurr? i know you must have some kind of link of fanness to the CO game..but your likes blind you from the truth. Take the red pill blurr and stop taking the blue pill you've been addicted to.
We don't really know what they are going to sell. There have been posts, invteviews, blah blah blah. Until a demo "shop" is set up, it is all conjecture and promises. The proof will be when it goes in-game, which there is NO coincidence this will be happening AFTER launch (Bill Roper is a crafty little SoB)
Long-term implications. Sure, maybe they start out with name changes and typical MTs, but who is to say they won't change their minds and look for new ways of making money. EQ2's "Adventure Packs" were "optional" content that you had to pay for, which was absurd. Either release free content or package it into a cohesive expansion - don't ask for my money unless you are providing a clear benefit and justifying the cost
For now, I pre-ordered and enjoyed Beta. I think the game is good and has a ton of potential. With the concepts that evolved with CoX, I can see a bright future for CO. I fully expect a CO-Nemesis expansion allowing you to play as the "darker" heroes, complete with generating your own "good guy" arch-nemesis. It would be interesting if you could select a player character as your nemesis at that time; perhaps whomever has killed you the most in PvP....
But I digress.... I expect an PR nightmare when the MT shop opens, but if Cryptic is smart, they will start with the basics. Going beyond that could create AoC/Vanguard-like lasting infamy.
It's a Cryptic game, as fun as it will be, it will be tiny.
I'll have finished it within the first month. They will get no micro-transactions from me and no sub either.
Far to cynical of them to include them in the first place.
Micro-transactions for extra costume?
Dressing up is a major feature of this game, if not THE major feature. How is that not affecting gameplay?
The addition of new costume options in COH COV is something players often speak highly of round here. Well, from now on, knowing how much you enjoy it, they are going to charge you extra for it.
It's not a question of how that affects your competativeness with other players, it's a question fo how it affects your bank balance and whether you feel the company you are dealing with is offering you value for money.
For myself it boils down to the same thing everytime with Cryptic, it doesn't affect my desire to play the game, only my desire to keep playing it.
When the content runs dry I'm off. Gone.
I'll be playing WoW or Wolfenstein or down the pub. Not paying them more money every month for doing sod all.
Gee didn't know that WOW was a F2P game now. It's not!! guess you will be paying monthly then. Wolfenstein probably finish that in a month too.
What type and how, those micro-transaction will be we don't know as yet. Perhaps in WOW the same thing would take place with the ability to modify your outfits, if they to did microtransactions. Bottom line is after release, graphic designers go on to other games as most outfits and landscapes are done with. Under the MT plan additionals items can be added and player feedback will more then likely have an affect on it.
Right now we have no idea how MTs will affect gameplay, give it time.
It's a Cryptic game, as fun as it will be, it will be tiny. I'll have finished it within the first month. They will get no micro-transactions from me and no sub either.
Far to cynical of them to include them in the first place.
Micro-transactions for extra costume? Dressing up is a major feature of this game, if not THE major feature. How is that not affecting gameplay? The addition of new costume options in COH COV is something players often speak highly of round here. Well, from now on, knowing how much you enjoy it, they are going to charge you extra for it.
It's not a question of how that affects your competativeness with other players, it's a question fo how it affects your bank balance and whether you feel the company you are dealing with is offering you value for money.
For myself it boils down to the same thing everytime with Cryptic, it doesn't affect my desire to play the game, only my desire to keep playing it.
When the content runs dry I'm off. Gone. I'll be playing WoW or Wolfenstein or down the pub. Not paying them more money every month for doing sod all.
you should come play Aion I've played the close beta a few times and going to download the open beta, you should atleast try the open beta coming out here soon if you have'nt As a formal WoW player i highly suggest it time to get some more fun for your money instead of the same stuff from wow right now the music sucks...but thats about it lol
I haven't tried Aion, it seems very popular right now though. I have a disabled friend who wishes me to go and play WoW with him while he recovers.
Ultimately I'm not really looking to spend much time in an MMO until mid winter at the earliest. I'll certainly look into Aion, it's got a buzz around it.
Originally posted by AJ2ME
Gee didn't know that WOW was a F2P game now. It's not!! guess you will be paying monthly then. Wolfenstein probably finish that in a month too. What type and how, those micro-transaction will be we don't know as yet. Perhaps in WOW the same thing would take place with the ability to modify your outfits, if they to did microtransactions. Bottom line is after release, graphic designers go on to other games as most outfits and landscapes are done with. Under the MT plan additionals items can be added and player feedback will more then likely have an affect on it. Right now we have no idea how MTs will affect gameplay, give it time.
WoW is a subscription game matey.
I don't mind paying subscriptions if I feel I am getting good value. I don't mind paying Micro Transactions instead either if feel I am getting my monies worth.
I won't pay either if I don't and I certainly won't pay both and buy the box! do I have sucker tattoed on my forehead or something? A missing eybrow perhaps? or a sign on my back that says "kick me please"?
My player feedback is simple, if the game didn't take long to make, don't charge a lot for making it. If the game took half as long to make as other games, don't charge twice as much for it. If the game didn't take long enough to get more than a months worth of content, expect no monthly subscritption fee's on the second month.
This player feedback will have no effect on anything. So I will treat the game the same as I will treat Wolfenstein. 1 months fun for £25.
If there is one thing I have learnt from playing Cryptic and Bill Roper games before, "giving it time" works against me. Their time isn't free and neither is mine.
I think Guild Wars is the best example of this kind of thing. Make a real game, and expect a serious, immediate return on your investment in the purchase of the game itself. Instead of "free content patches" which of course are not free because the players are paying each month you give the players large expansions or stand alone games for a real purchase price. You then give them a store to purchase things that are cosmetic, involve storage, or otherwise to not change the gameplay. I will admit that I think some F2P games handle this okay, but their games are crappy because they are F2P and there is no original purchase price. They cannot get any good investors, the community is full of the poor saps that cannot buy a game in the first place, and the development cycle has to be very quick in order to get any return for the developers. I think perhaps Champions Online has the correct in some ways, but are very wrong in others I am quite interested to see how this game works out in the coming months.
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it." Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
I don't understand when you pay for GAME BOX and pay MONTHLY SUB how they can add microtransctions to this on top. You should be able to access to all the features in the game since your already paid enough imo. This is a clear money scam by an untrustworthy company and i will not fall for it,
Aion v3 "RELOADED" - A glimpse into the future of the MMO genre
I don't understand when you pay for GAME BOX and pay MONTHLY SUB how they can add microtransctions to this on top. You should be able to access to all the features in the game since your already paid enough imo. This is a clear money scam by an untrustworthy company and i will not fall for it,
Muhuhahahaha
This will seperate the employed from the unemployed! You will lose face and be considered a lower caste subject! Your life is over!!!
j/k
Now that sounds stupid right? Please stop making a big deal out of it.
I don't understand when you pay for GAME BOX and pay MONTHLY SUB how they can add microtransctions to this on top. You should be able to access to all the features in the game since your already paid enough imo. This is a clear money scam by an untrustworthy company and i will not fall for it,
Muhuhahahaha
This will seperate the employed from the unemployed! You will lose face and be considered a lower caste subject! Your life is over!!!
j/k
Now that sounds stupid right? Please stop making a big deal out of it.
Being employed has nothing to do with it. In other words it separates the wasteful from the unwasteful, the gullible from the sharp,
Its like saying those complaining about unnaturally high medical insurance cost must therefor be unemployed. Is the act of wasting money or rather, getting poorer in order to claim higher status a sign of intelligence? I think not.
MT for any game content is a horrible business model that not only effects the design of a game, but also the fact that no one has the chance of being equal unless they spend more money. That situation is like a gasoline on a pile of hay, its just ripe for disaster or in this case... exploitation.
A character transfer is a service, a fee is not exactly classified as a MT within the game. Unlocking more content that you already payed for but have to pay even more for is a form of exploitation, its not a service... it clearly separates those who are willing to get taken advantage of and those who are not. This is not healthy for any online competitive game.
I think it is important to show that this type of behavior regarding MT in these types of sub based games should not be taken lightly, its not making a big deal out of nothing, rather showing where the line can be drawn for a specific title.
If CO goes full out with in game MT for any content while having a sub... i do hope the game fails. I would rather not encourage this type of business model in future games.
Then could you explain to me what the problem is with microtransactions? I don't get why people freak out over them. Because we don't work for the companies using them and don't stand to profit from them? If you don't want to pay money for an extra character slot, then don't. Why should other people be unable to do that? I can have 50 characters on one WoW account. How many on CO? Without paying more, I mean. If CO is a success, then soon MMOs are going to offer fewer 'free' slots, until we are all getting ONE for no charge and the rest we will have to pay for. It's not like people are going to have some sort of advantage in the game over you, that you can't get yourself somehow. Sure they may look cooler, but it's not like it's going to break the bank if you do buy something you really want either.
For some things like account services, yeah, it's not a competitive disadvantage if you don't pay. There will be game-changing advantages, though, and they will become more important and common if the system works for the company. Eventually, most of the options we get for free now, will cost extra, and some people won't be able to afford them. That is my biggest complaint - it's unfair.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
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Then could you explain to me what the problem is with microtransactions? I don't get why people freak out over them.
If you don't want to pay money for an extra character slot, then don't. Why should other people be unable to do that?
It's not like people are going to have some sort of advantage in the game over you, that you can't get yourself somehow. Sure they may look cooler, but it's not like it's going to break the bank if you do buy something you really want either.
Most people are worried they are to add that stuff later.
Others don't like the idea because it should be part of the monthly fee.
I think this, yet I still bought the game. I still won't touch the MT stuff... my way of saying it was a stupid idea.
I understand some people think that they should get all the MT items as part of the monthly fee, but that's just not practical. For things like Character Slots or Name Changes or stuff like that, other companies charge extra for those. The costume parts and other cosmetic things, other companies charge you for those too, they just don't give them to you until you buy an expansion.
Perhaps they could save up all their costumes and release them in an expansion, but I don't think you'd really want that either. That way you'd have to pay for everything, not just the ones you want. You'd have to wait until the whole expansion was done instead of just the piece you want.
If you look at most other games, they don't actually give you any new content between expansions either. WoW has their big update patches but what people forget is those things like Ulduar and the Tournament are actually things that were unfinished from their previous expansion. The monthly fee doesn't get you any new content (in most games) so you shouldn't expect it here. What you're getting with the MT store is the ability to pick and choose which pieces of new content you want rather than having to buy a whole expansion. The monthly fee is getting you access to their servers and their support team and so on. Think of it like cable tv. Some channels you get for free. Basic cable packages are a monthly fee, but if you want HBO you gotta pay extra.
Realistically, microtransactions are everywhere in our daily lives. Your cable company, your car, any of the monthly services you use. Cellphones are a perfect example. You have to pay for the phone, and then a monthly fee just to use it. If you want to send text messages you might have to pay more. Why is it bad in CO and not on your cell phone?
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
That's a lot to explain that MT's exist lol. What are you debating? they don't exist? To be honest in your mini poll, I would rather pay it all then have tid bits of item's i wish came with the whole game...and they got to make them cooler too so you feel left out. It's a Mind thing Blurr.
The problem presented is the fact that CO is turning off A lot of players for MT item's (not the ones that make sense like wow with character transfurs and such...this is a little different) Estamation, You would be paying 14.99 a month + let's say an extra $20 for MT your paying 34.99 a month. And if you are a die hard fan, possibly more. If you keep a budget, you may play 1-3 mmo's or more and know you have a bill comming with 45.00 bucks (example) But with a MT...think...if you played 3 mmo's in the future that all of them have MT, your looking near to 150+. Just like my phone...
You might have money to blow, you might have not. But Point is they are Tempting...If people like you who support this feature keep it up...Your just going to get SMT -Sub Miro Transaction besides the MT...and if you give in more...your going to get MTF -Mirco transaction Fee's-
If you ever dream to become a good developer...You would relize this is a mistake as you are going to Loose Interest's of Thousand's of players...I would'nt want to loose those players for greed. Heck if i lost them...i lost A lot of money...MT makes up for it though a little bit for a little time. But if you can't keep players with your games with monthly fee's...Give them alittle more content to keep them happy and stay with you yes? (Wrong) the game will still get boring. I hope this is not what they thought when creating the game. If it is its Doomed.
But you kind of get the idea now blurr? i know you must have some kind of link of fanness to the CO game..but your likes blind you from the truth. Take the red pill blurr and stop taking the blue pill you've been addicted to.
An MMO Trail freak.
The problems with MTs, specifically in CO:
For now, I pre-ordered and enjoyed Beta. I think the game is good and has a ton of potential. With the concepts that evolved with CoX, I can see a bright future for CO. I fully expect a CO-Nemesis expansion allowing you to play as the "darker" heroes, complete with generating your own "good guy" arch-nemesis. It would be interesting if you could select a player character as your nemesis at that time; perhaps whomever has killed you the most in PvP....
But I digress.... I expect an PR nightmare when the MT shop opens, but if Cryptic is smart, they will start with the basics. Going beyond that could create AoC/Vanguard-like lasting infamy.
It's a Cryptic game, as fun as it will be, it will be tiny.
I'll have finished it within the first month. They will get no micro-transactions from me and no sub either.
Far to cynical of them to include them in the first place.
Micro-transactions for extra costume?
Dressing up is a major feature of this game, if not THE major feature. How is that not affecting gameplay?
The addition of new costume options in COH COV is something players often speak highly of round here. Well, from now on, knowing how much you enjoy it, they are going to charge you extra for it.
It's not a question of how that affects your competativeness with other players, it's a question fo how it affects your bank balance and whether you feel the company you are dealing with is offering you value for money.
For myself it boils down to the same thing everytime with Cryptic, it doesn't affect my desire to play the game, only my desire to keep playing it.
When the content runs dry I'm off. Gone.
I'll be playing WoW or Wolfenstein or down the pub. Not paying them more money every month for doing sod all.
Gee didn't know that WOW was a F2P game now. It's not!! guess you will be paying monthly then. Wolfenstein probably finish that in a month too.
What type and how, those micro-transaction will be we don't know as yet. Perhaps in WOW the same thing would take place with the ability to modify your outfits, if they to did microtransactions. Bottom line is after release, graphic designers go on to other games as most outfits and landscapes are done with. Under the MT plan additionals items can be added and player feedback will more then likely have an affect on it.
Right now we have no idea how MTs will affect gameplay, give it time.
you should come play Aion
I've played the close beta a few times and going to download the open beta, you should atleast try the open beta coming out here soon if you have'nt 
As a formal WoW player i highly suggest it 
time to get some more fun for your money instead of the same stuff from wow right now 
the music sucks...but thats about it lol
An MMO Trail freak.
that makes no sense o.0
An MMO Trail freak.
I haven't tried Aion, it seems very popular right now though. I have a disabled friend who wishes me to go and play WoW with him while he recovers.
Ultimately I'm not really looking to spend much time in an MMO until mid winter at the earliest. I'll certainly look into Aion, it's got a buzz around it.
WoW is a subscription game matey.
I don't mind paying subscriptions if I feel I am getting good value. I don't mind paying Micro Transactions instead either if feel I am getting my monies worth.
I won't pay either if I don't and I certainly won't pay both and buy the box! do I have sucker tattoed on my forehead or something? A missing eybrow perhaps? or a sign on my back that says "kick me please"?
My player feedback is simple, if the game didn't take long to make, don't charge a lot for making it. If the game took half as long to make as other games, don't charge twice as much for it. If the game didn't take long enough to get more than a months worth of content, expect no monthly subscritption fee's on the second month.
This player feedback will have no effect on anything. So I will treat the game the same as I will treat Wolfenstein. 1 months fun for £25.
If there is one thing I have learnt from playing Cryptic and Bill Roper games before, "giving it time" works against me. Their time isn't free and neither is mine.
I think Guild Wars is the best example of this kind of thing. Make a real game, and expect a serious, immediate return on your investment in the purchase of the game itself. Instead of "free content patches" which of course are not free because the players are paying each month you give the players large expansions or stand alone games for a real purchase price. You then give them a store to purchase things that are cosmetic, involve storage, or otherwise to not change the gameplay. I will admit that I think some F2P games handle this okay, but their games are crappy because they are F2P and there is no original purchase price. They cannot get any good investors, the community is full of the poor saps that cannot buy a game in the first place, and the development cycle has to be very quick in order to get any return for the developers. I think perhaps Champions Online has the correct in some ways, but are very wrong in others I am quite interested to see how this game works out in the coming months.
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it." Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
WTF? No subscription fee?
I don't understand when you pay for GAME BOX and pay MONTHLY SUB how they can add microtransctions to this on top. You should be able to access to all the features in the game since your already paid enough imo. This is a clear money scam by an untrustworthy company and i will not fall for it,
Aion v3 "RELOADED" - A glimpse into the future of the MMO genre
Muhuhahahaha
This will seperate the employed from the unemployed! You will lose face and be considered a lower caste subject! Your life is over!!!
j/k
Now that sounds stupid right? Please stop making a big deal out of it.
Muhuhahahaha
This will seperate the employed from the unemployed! You will lose face and be considered a lower caste subject! Your life is over!!!
j/k
Now that sounds stupid right? Please stop making a big deal out of it.
Being employed has nothing to do with it. In other words it separates the wasteful from the unwasteful, the gullible from the sharp,
Its like saying those complaining about unnaturally high medical insurance cost must therefor be unemployed. Is the act of wasting money or rather, getting poorer in order to claim higher status a sign of intelligence? I think not.
MT for any game content is a horrible business model that not only effects the design of a game, but also the fact that no one has the chance of being equal unless they spend more money. That situation is like a gasoline on a pile of hay, its just ripe for disaster or in this case... exploitation.
A character transfer is a service, a fee is not exactly classified as a MT within the game. Unlocking more content that you already payed for but have to pay even more for is a form of exploitation, its not a service... it clearly separates those who are willing to get taken advantage of and those who are not. This is not healthy for any online competitive game.
I think it is important to show that this type of behavior regarding MT in these types of sub based games should not be taken lightly, its not making a big deal out of nothing, rather showing where the line can be drawn for a specific title.
If CO goes full out with in game MT for any content while having a sub... i do hope the game fails. I would rather not encourage this type of business model in future games.
For some things like account services, yeah, it's not a competitive disadvantage if you don't pay. There will be game-changing advantages, though, and they will become more important and common if the system works for the company. Eventually, most of the options we get for free now, will cost extra, and some people won't be able to afford them. That is my biggest complaint - it's unfair.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2