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Lydon
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Reading through some of the Guild Wars 2 threads and especially the comments in the hype section, I've been rather disgusted...
Time after time, year after year, MMO developers have hyped up their games after previously: failing to launch their games, launching them in a terrible state, launching them without half of the promised content present, or promised - as the new kid on the block - to be the saviour of the MMO world. Each time this has happened, people have thrown their toys out of the cot over the fact that there's no hope for MMO's because of useless developers who are only in it for themselves and lack passion for their games, who are lazy, and so on and so forth.
Then we have a company like ArenaNet. Now I'm not one for giving blind praise, and obviously as you'll see from my signature I've played quite a bit of Guild Wars myself, but I'm the type of guy who believes in giving credit and placing my trust in people who have proven themselves. Whilst I may personally find Guild Wars awesome, along with many other people, I understand that yet other people did not like it.
Regardless, some of the utter hate being directed towards ArenaNet is sad, pathetic and unfair. So what if you didn't like Guild Wars? There is absolutely no denying the fact that:
1) ArenaNet dared to innovate by providing a totally different type of gameplay from the norm at the time of its release.
2) They had one of the, if not the single most flawless MMO launch ever.
3) Guild Wars is and was polished. They did not release any content in a half-finished state or suddenly remove half of the game just before launch due to it being in an unplayable/unfinishable state.
4) Yet, despite all of this, they didn't demand a monthly fee. They provided exactly what any P2P MMO provides in terms of quality without the monthly fee.
5) They have stated time and again that they will release Guild Wars 2 "when it's ready." How many major MMO's recently have done just the opposite? Age of Conan or Warhammer anyone?
Therefore, if you are one of these blind haters - whether or not you may have liked Guild Wars 1, for your own sake I suggest you research Guild Wars 2 as it is an almost completely different game. Yes, it will be persistent. No, there is not a lack of innovation - any MMORPG that doesn't have a quest system and instead invents a whole new system of its own is what I call innovative. It brings with it a host of changes that the "it's not a REAL MMO!" crowd have been demanding for ages.
In the end - if you're terribly ignorant with regards to the facts or are totally misinformed, why comment or hype it in the first place? At least spare those who actually know what's going on the torture of having to read through the masses of misinformation and just hype it a "1" in silence.
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Very good and well constructed post. I agree with everything you typed.
The only thing I have to say about this is; Amen Brother, you know what you're saying, and I feel exactly the way you feel about this!
Cheers!
Very much agree, too many haters are trying to bring down the hype by rating it as one, whatever you rate it, it is by far the most talked about game at the moment and is by far the most looked forward too. No other game is offering the same amount of sheer polish and content as seen in the first guild wars game series.
Amen, totally agree
Lydon, you are my hero.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky
Internet just makes some ppl stupid, it's always been like that and will always be.. But, got to agree with your post since I liked GW very much and I am looking forward for it.
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Retired from: GW, WAR, Aion, LOTRO, Rift, SW:TOR, Vinductus
Good Post.
I think they are just scared it will be amazing and pull people from the games they are playing. I have always been in curious of people who attack games they know nothing about. ARe they being paid by other devs to hype their games? hmmm... lol
People who know me, know I am very critical of games, I do not just " jump on board " because someone else likes something, and I have always point out the pros and cons in games. The one issue I had with Guild wars was the lack of things to do between guild battles and the lack of the persistant world. Then Arena Net goes and makes and new game fixing these problems .. amazing, that is actually the first time ANY developer has fixed something I asked for. Honestly, I am in awe at how complete and polished Guild wars 1 was and their customer service was the best I have ever dealt with in the industry. I give credit where credit is due and Arena Net definately deserves the praise they are given for their work.
Seriously, though Arena Net has taken an completely new approach. They are not out saying this is going to be the best game ever! No, they are too busy focused on their game, the only thing I have heard them say in that regards is they are focused on making the best game they can make based on their player feedback. That in itself, the developers mindset on this, is why they are amazing.
So many of the other devlopers have not figured out this very simple thing, to put the players first. That alone is groundbreaking in this industry. I guess so many mmorpg players these days are so used to being treated like poo, they don;t know what to do with real quality customer service. Arena Net has proven they put their customers first, and if you have an issue with their game, tell them directly, they are different, they actually listen to their players.
I have nothing but good to say about Arena Net and the quality of their products. Sure, there is content I would like to be in a game that isn't being met by ANY game on the market, but this is the first I have encountered that weighs that , and does their best to come through with amazing quality. They treat their customers with respect, and do the best they can. I can't ask for more than that.
It was funny, I had all these ideas I would have liked to see in Guild wars2, but when I saw the direction they decided to take with it.. I am seriously thinking this is going to be better than I could have imagined. I cannot wait to try the event system, the world vs world battle for resources, the new races.. this is definately going to be something worth the wait. The more I hear about what they are doing the more I am dying to play this game!! I gues it is probably a good thing they have been keeping things quiet, they didn;t want people busting down their doors and trampling them like those crazy people on black Friday.
Good Job Arena Net!
also the game is not *f2p* as some say it is you gotta pay for a cd key retail box whatever so its not realy f2p also the game has had more content and polished then any other game ive ever played that is next to wow also its sold millions of copies so people saying its the worse and it will fail just like gw 1 are stupid/noobs and thats a fact also its the only mmo with true pvp
Couldnt agree with you more, you made some great points.
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Have Played: RuneScape, Guild Wars, WoW.
Waiting For: Guild Wars 2
No no, People are naturally stupid, the internet just allows them to show the world how stupid they really are
Anyway, nice post OP. Arenanet is probably the only MMO developer that I actually have faith in, and anyone that has seen me post knows I'm naturally a pessimistic person. But with how great Guild Wars 1 was, I have really high hopes for Guild Wars 2.
I also get the feeling that a lot of the hate is stemming from TOR fans. I think these two games will be somewhat similar and be directly competing against each other.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic
Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW
Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike
Loved: Star Wars Galaxies
Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
The fact is that a great number of people posting on this forums are just bored fanboys who dedicate their life to trash other games while defending their precious game.
The saddest part is that they are so bored of their games that they spend most of their time posting here about other games instead of actually playing.
Many people would have alot more fun if they just stop thinking about stupid comparisons and whos the best or worst company and actually played games to have fun.
I played Guild Wars for around 2 years, and just stopped because after Eye of the North I got bored since i am a PvE players.
I am sure Arenanet will launch a great game and I will certainly be among the first ones to buy it on launch
great post lydon
we should sticky this juz in case we get troll threads later
Have fun storming the castle! - Miracle Max
I wouldn't get too worked up about it. It seems to happen to every new (or even established) games that come up. Another upcoming popular game that I'm looking forward to also is getting similar trolls in their forums. I think their joy in life is being an ass on internet forums.
I'll throw myself out there as the flame bait why not.
You guys are acting no different then the people you are complaining about. You are acting like GW2 will be the greatest product of all time and are all hyping it as a 10 rating. Just like there are the people who are against all new games, there are those that are all for each new game. You guys are blinded to your own excitement of it.
Many people tried GW1 after all the praises it got and really disliked the game, it is not surprising that those same people don't expect much of GW2. I don't think GW2 will be anything that amazing, I can only assume it will be better then GW1 but GW1 was pretty easy to beat.
But I make a post like this for every new game, because the super fans are mad at the other posters who don't agree. But then they accuse the negative posters as being the only ones who are acting wrongly. So is being so into a game that you hate anyone who doesn't agree that it will be good.
So in summary:
You are the same as the "haters" you dislike.
im not gonna flame you SnarlingWolf but my friend you just missed the point of the entire post :S
SnarlingWolf,
The difference is that we don't go into other game forums and trash their game or troll their forums. People have posted legitimate concerns about the game and they haven't gotten flamed. But trolls and specific haters that come into the forum to trash the game as their agenda have no place here. So what if we are excited about the game? What difference does that make to you. If you don't like it, don't come into that game forum. It is simple as that. There are many other games for people to play, they can praise or voice their concerns on those games if they don't like the Guild Wars franchise.
It is a forum, which by definition is: A public meeting place for open discussion. So those who dislike the game have every right to post as such on that games forums. There is no rule that only the people who like the game get to post about it, it is a free discussion open for everyone. That is the point that the fans of games forget, they're not the only ones who get to post something.
So as I said before, acting like you have more of a right to post then they do and making posts that directly attack those who don't agree with you in which several posters refer to people as idiots, makes you no better then them.
It is a forum, which by definition is: A public meeting place for open discussion. So those who dislike the game have every right to post as such on that games forums. There is no rule that only the people who like the game get to post about it, it is a free discussion open for everyone. That is the point that the fans of games forget, they're not the only ones who get to post something.
So as I said before, acting like you have more of a right to post then they do and making posts that directly attack those who don't agree with you in which several posters refer to people as idiots, makes you no better then them.
Dude! listen we didnt say you cant post in the forum if you dont like GW 2, cons are appreciated so developpers can try to make it more pleasing or maybe even a nice argument between fellow gamers. Yes the forum is a place for open dicussion but i guess if you wanna be a big a*hole go ahead.
So let me ask you then, if someone has the intention of coming into a game forums to say a game sucks and the next game that comes out in that series sucks that it isn't trolling? They didn't like the game in the first place or they just want a reaction and attention by coming in here and saying that. There is no reason for that. Legitimate concerns and complaints sure but coming in just to troll, and that's what the op is complaining about, is crass and rude. It really says a lot about that person if he needs that attention to troll a game forum. Yes you are right it is a public forum but when you get that behavior and it's tolerated it becomes a joke forum (which sadly to say a lot of this place has become).
There really needs to be more moderation here. Maybe it's not feasible with the commitment or how much staff MMORPG.COM has but I've seen other forums have decent moderation. Heck some sites have a "rivalry" type forum up so people can specifically go there to trash other people, games, life, whatever to their hearts content. The other parts of the forum people get banned for trolling.
@Lyndon
That was a very welcome post, and I am in complete agreement. It has been weighing down in my mind these past few days as well, and each time I see posts that seem extremely similar to troll posts
What really annoys me though, is when people actually insult the people playing or anticipating the games, like for example, saying that they have no taste and so on. Yes, I can understand why people insult the game as well. As much as I absolutely love Guild Wars, I can see that there are flaws too, and if these flaws annoy other people, I can understand that. But what I do hate is when people belittle other people for actually liking the games they play.
What people in general need to understand is that different people have different tastes. What one person may like might not be what another person might like, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with liking something that you enjoy. Seems that it is a problem all over the MMORPG forums, not just in this place.
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SnarlingWolf, you seem to have missed the point of my original post.
I'm not complaining about the fact that people dislike the idea of Guild Wars 2. In fact you'll notice that I very clearly mentioned that people are free to like or dislike it as they wish as that is their right.
The issue I was dealing with was that there are people that have clearly not even bothered to read the overview of the game on this site, the official FAQ or an article on another site, yet still feel they're qualified to rudely deliver their opinion on the game. Their ignorance and misinformation is more often than not leading to unsubstantiated complaints. Have a read through some of the comments on the hype shoutbox and I think you'll find it very entertaining. You'll find things such as "Instancing = fail" and the like. Obviously the author of the comment in question has somehow missed the major new feature of Guild Wars 2.
But that doesn't irk me as much as the attacks on ArenaNet as a company. They're completely uncalled for. Whilst someone may not like Guild Wars, there is no denying the fact that as a company ArenaNet has tried to innovate, has put out quality products on the market and has supported them well. The same applies to the developers of Eve Online - CCP, for example. Whilst one may not like Eve, one cannot deny that CCP are motived and treat their customers well considering they've just announced their 11'th free expansion to the game.
So in summary - people can complain as they wish...that's what forums are all about. But it is utterly annoying when someone who hasn't even bothered to do an ounce of research into the game decides they're the oracle of all things Guild Wars 2 and not only gets on their high horse about the game, but also the company who have put many-a-developer to shame.
No it isn't trolling, it is no different then a person saying "This game is great" with nothing to back it up, should those people be removed as well for not defending their opinion with facts?
When someone starts attacking other people, calling them idiots for example, that is what should never be tolerated and is specifically against the rules. Stating the personal opinion that the game sucks, or that both it and it's predecessor sucked, is just that, an opinion. Opinions should never be blocked. If the person spams the thread over and over again with the same post of "It sucks" then that is trolling and spamming and should have action taken.
You assume that because someone doesn't like a game, and posts his opinion on an open forum for people's thoughts and opinions, that s/he is trolling. That simply is not the case and as in my first statement it is an identical action to simply saying "It is great." So you can't remove one without removing the other.
I personally post my views on several different games, the vast majority of time I show examples of why I feel negative or positive towards a game. The reason that I also post in games that I don't like is that when I am looking for a new game I like to hear from both sides. So I want to see the counter opinion that the game is crap. I would hate to think that negative comments are being censored thus resulting in a falsely positive vibe of a game, that's what a game's official forums are for.
It is sad OP that ppl do nothing but criticise games that they have little information about or to unfairly critise the company without true cause.
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Snarling Wolf,
You just don't get my point or the OP's point.
So if I happen to disagree with your "undenyable fact" that ArenaNet is an innovator then I shouldn't post? Every company in existance has people who like it and those who don't, there will never be a unanimous agreeance.
I also don't think that CCP releasing free expansions is anything amazing but then again I've played AC for a long time and they have had free monthly content updates, over 110 of them.
Sure I can agree that it is annoying when someone posts something that's wildly innaccurate about a game. But it will happen and you have to roll with it. Not everyone has the time to read every bit of info spread out over the net on a game that is in beta, not to even mention the amount of time that the information that comes out while in beta turns out to be wrong. So instead of assuming that the person is just an idiot or an a-hole why not post back with a post like "ArenaNet put out information which says...." There's no reason to start a thread dedicated to people adding their posts about how stupid the world is (to be fair I don't think you personally refered to people that way, just all the bandwagoners)
There's nothing wrong with liking a company or a game. But to decide that it is wrong of someone else to disagree with you about that company is wrong. It is called an opinion for a reason, it can't be right or wrong. It's no different then hating someone because they're of a different religion or a different sexual orientation because in your mind that is just wrong (yes I know there is a difference in severity between this and those examples).
Personally I don't care about who likes what game and who hates it. I like to have discussions on these forums and it is becoming harder to do. This isn't just because of the people who only post "it sucks" it is just as much because of people who don't like that others disagree with them and then want them off of "their" boards. There's no reason for either side to be resorting to name calling and personal attacks, or for either side to think that the others shouldn't post.
You can think that all you want, but the truth is I do and provided a solid counter-argument that you didn't want to hear.