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BlurrBlurr Member UncommonPosts: 2,155
in Champions Online

I know this will really tick off some of the trolls here, but for everyone else this is a good thing. It turns out that Cryptic are changing respeccing to allow a full respec option, and are not, in fact, going to charge for it through the MT store as many trolls would like you to believe.

The basics:

The inner workings of Retcon have been revamped! Now, players can Retcon as far back as they'd like in their character's history, regardless of their level. Additionally, we've rebalanced costs based on the "potency" of what it is you're changing (along with how far back in your tree you're going). That is, Characteristic Focuses and Innate Talents are the most expensive changes to make, followed by Powers, then Talents and Travel Powers, and lastly Advantages and Energy Builders. Costs will still increase the further back you go, however the cost progression has changed, meaning that the first four powers or so will be relatively inexpensive, while anything beyond that will slowly get more expensive.

Full details here

 

"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000

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  • dumbo11dumbo11 Member Posts: 134
    Originally posted by Blurr


    I know this will really tick off some of the trolls here, but for everyone else this is a good thing. It turns out that Cryptic are changing respeccing to allow a full respec option, and are not, in fact, going to charge for it through the MT store as many trolls would like you to believe.
    The basics:
    The inner workings of Retcon have been revamped! Now, players can Retcon as far back as they'd like in their character's history, regardless of their level. Additionally, we've rebalanced costs based on the "potency" of what it is you're changing (along with how far back in your tree you're going). That is, Characteristic Focuses and Innate Talents are the most expensive changes to make, followed by Powers, then Talents and Travel Powers, and lastly Advantages and Energy Builders. Costs will still increase the further back you go, however the cost progression has changed, meaning that the first four powers or so will be relatively inexpensive, while anything beyond that will slowly get more expensive.
    Full details here
     

    That is also known as the 'goldfarmer welcome declaration' - if you read the costs, and compare to how much cash is actually in the game, then you'll realise that no-one is likely to afford  full respecs that without buying gold off a goldfarmer...

    On the other hand, as respecs are now (technically) available by an in-game method, it could now be added to the item shop without violating their comments on what will/will not be available...

    I suspect they're going to patch this many, many times - as the old system had some strange bugs.. it may eventually cost less than the GDP of a small country, which would be a good start...

  • ShastraShastra Member Posts: 1,061

    Originally posted by dumbo11
    Originally posted by Blurr I know this will really tick off some of the trolls here, but for everyone else this is a good thing. It turns out that Cryptic are changing respeccing to allow a full respec option, and are not, in fact, going to charge for it through the MT store as many trolls would like you to believe.
    The basics:
    The inner workings of Retcon have been revamped! Now, players can Retcon as far back as they'd like in their character's history, regardless of their level. Additionally, we've rebalanced costs based on the "potency" of what it is you're changing (along with how far back in your tree you're going). That is, Characteristic Focuses and Innate Talents are the most expensive changes to make, followed by Powers, then Talents and Travel Powers, and lastly Advantages and Energy Builders. Costs will still increase the further back you go, however the cost progression has changed, meaning that the first four powers or so will be relatively inexpensive, while anything beyond that will slowly get more expensive.
    Full details here
     
    That is also known as the 'goldfarmer welcome declaration' - if you read the costs, and compare to how much cash is actually in the game, then you'll realise that no-one is likely to afford  full respecs that without buying gold off a goldfarmer...
    On the other hand, as respecs are now (technically) available by an in-game method, it could now be added to the item shop without violating their comments on what will/will not be available...
    I suspect they're going to patch this many, many times - as the old system had some strange bugs.. it may eventually cost less than the GDP of a small country, which would be a good start...

    You are living up to your name i guess. Nothing you said made any sense whatsoever.

  • MMO_DoubterMMO_Doubter Member Posts: 5,056
    Originally posted by Blurr


    I know this will really tick off some of the trolls here, but for everyone else this is a good thing. It turns out that Cryptic are changing respeccing to allow a full respec option, and are not, in fact, going to charge for it through the MT store as many trolls would like you to believe.

    Not yet.

    If the gold cost is so great as to be unreasonable, there will be a market for respecs via the cash shop. Wait and see.

    The devil is in the details.

    "" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2

  • BlurrBlurr Member UncommonPosts: 2,155

    Haha wow, the trolls continuously amaze me.

    They moan that you can't get a full respec and say it's going to be added to the store so everyone can be charged for it. Then when Cryptic gives it out ingame they say "Oh well now it's an invitation to gold farmers".

    I bet their next conspiracy theory says that Cryptic is trying to give you viruses by having their game on the computer.

    "Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000

  • MMO_DoubterMMO_Doubter Member Posts: 5,056
    Originally posted by Shastra
    You are living up to your name i guess. Nothing you said made any sense whatsoever.

    It certainly did make sense.

    Now that an in-game method is available, they can be true to their word and offer it for cash sale.

    If the in-game cost is very high, people will either pay cash to buy gold from a goldseller, or pay Cryptic (when it becomes available) for the respec (to save time and effort).

    "" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2

  • Remii718Remii718 Member Posts: 164



    What the hell is the deal with the CoX trolls all over the CO forums?

    If these guys love CoX so much just go play that. Everytime we get a new info thread up we have these pissed off trolls derailing and flaming shit.

    I don't even play CO yet but these CoX trolls are sad people.

    Playing: WoW, EvE

    Interested in: TOR, ER, GW2, WoD, Dust514

  • banthisbanthis Member Posts: 1,891

    They did change the retcon and plenty of power changes but yet there's NO free respec.  At lvl 18 just go back one power costs about 34s any further back gets to aroudn 1 gold..infact to fully respec would cost me more money then I've had the entire game.  I've never seen more than 2g the entire game.   They either need to improve the money drops or lower the cost of the retcon.  Their system still needs work ... ALOT of work.  If they refuse to lower prices to me it says they're going to Charge  for that Full Respec and while I'm fine with that since it means they get the money instead of the gold seller it is kind of pissing me off.

    They either need to up the resources drops or lower the retcon.

  • MMO_DoubterMMO_Doubter Member Posts: 5,056
    Originally posted by Blurr


    Haha wow, the trolls continuously amaze me.
    They moan that you can't get a full respec and say it's going to be added to the store so everyone can be charged for it. Then when Cryptic gives it out ingame they say "Oh well now it's an invitation to gold farmers".
    Are you predicting that Cryptic will never offer respecs in the cash shop?
    Wouldn`t a free respec every two weeks or so, be a better way to handle it, than charging a lot of gold for it?
    I bet their next conspiracy theory says that Cryptic is trying to give you viruses by having their game on the computer.

    Like Aion?

     

    "" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2

  • dumbo11dumbo11 Member Posts: 134
    Originally posted by Shastra


     

    Originally posted by dumbo11


    Originally posted by Blurr
     
    I know this will really tick off some of the trolls here, but for everyone else this is a good thing. It turns out that Cryptic are changing respeccing to allow a full respec option, and are not, in fact, going to charge for it through the MT store as many trolls would like you to believe.

    The basics:

    The inner workings of Retcon have been revamped! Now, players can Retcon as far back as they'd like in their character's history, regardless of their level. Additionally, we've rebalanced costs based on the "potency" of what it is you're changing (along with how far back in your tree you're going). That is, Characteristic Focuses and Innate Talents are the most expensive changes to make, followed by Powers, then Talents and Travel Powers, and lastly Advantages and Energy Builders. Costs will still increase the further back you go, however the cost progression has changed, meaning that the first four powers or so will be relatively inexpensive, while anything beyond that will slowly get more expensive.

    Full details here

     





    That is also known as the 'goldfarmer welcome declaration' - if you read the costs, and compare to how much cash is actually in the game, then you'll realise that no-one is likely to afford  full respecs that without buying gold off a goldfarmer...

    On the other hand, as respecs are now (technically) available by an in-game method, it could now be added to the item shop without violating their comments on what will/will not be available...

    I suspect they're going to patch this many, many times - as the old system had some strange bugs.. it may eventually cost less than the GDP of a small country, which would be a good start...

     

    You are living up to your name i guess. Nothing you said made any sense whatsoever.

    I love it when people point out the name - it's like pointing out typos - helps me to understand the attitude of the person responding.

    Anyway, I'll type this slowly so that you can follow along...

    - the costs of respecs in-game are far greater than the total amount of resources that you will ever receive in game.

    - the developers stated that if something were not available in-game, that it would not be in the item shop.  By placing the respecs in-game, it does indeed allow the respec in the item shop... even if (as present) the in-game respec is completely impractical.

    - I do expect that they will change the pricing, but we will need to see the details when they next patch it.

  • ComnitusComnitus Member Posts: 2,462
    Originally posted by banthis


    They did change the retcon and plenty of power changes but yet there's NO free respec.  At lvl 18 just go back one power costs about 34s any further back gets to aroudn 1 gold..infact to fully respec would cost me more money then I've had the entire game.  I've never seen more than 2g the entire game.   They either need to improve the money drops or lower the cost of the retcon.  Their system still needs work ... ALOT of work.  If they refuse to lower prices to me it says they're going to Charge  for that Full Respec and while I'm fine with that since it means they get the money instead of the gold seller it is kind of pissing me off.
    They either need to up the resources drops or lower the retcon.

    So pick your powers carefully. Think about it, you're training/genetically implanting/modifying your armor to incorporate superhuman abilities into yourself. You can't exactly say, "Whoops I messed up. Whoops, I don't like that. Let me undo it!" without a little cash from your pocket. Well, a lot.

    I really don't think this will become like WoW where you have a DPS spec and a healing spec, or a DPS and a tank spec, or a healing and a tank spec. It could be, but with high cost of respecs, that would be discouraged. Is it good or bad? We'll have to wait and see.  

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  • xiirotxiirot Fallen Earth CorrespondentMember Posts: 328

    Awesome, I would still play this game even if they did charge for full respecs (i just wouldn't respec :) ).

     

    Just got into some good PvP last night on my Gadgeteer :)  Awesome.  It was a blast.  This game rocks

    "Good people are good because they've come to wisdom through failure. We get very little wisdom from success, you know." William Saroyan

  • bstrippbstripp Member Posts: 241

    Yeah, the changes to PvP make it a lot more balanced.  I've actually enjoyed the bouts I was in.  

    Additionally, this was something that most claimed would not happen, because of MT.  Well it's here.

    Add in the increased drop rate and the money is not that hard to come by.  If you blitz through doing only missions, yes you'll be kind of poor.  Fight your way to your missions, sell the drops and you'll have a nice bankroll.

  • maskedweaselmaskedweasel Member LegendaryPosts: 12,197

     This is kind of ridiculous.... we were telling them to do this in beta, and they didn't do it because it would be unfair at later levels where cash didn't matter (and when I played it really didn't.. I had so much money at high level it was really pointless).

     

    And really, it will probably turn out to bite some people later on at high level, and then they'll think about revamping it again to really throw costs up at high level... the whole reason they didn't is so high level players couldn't take FOTM builds every other month while Cryptic worked on balancing things.

     

    If the cash shop could be used to buy in game cash at any point, that again, would cause an unfair advantage in this sense, but not any more then if they actually sell respecs....    either way... I find it funny that they waited until after launch to do this change....



  • AganazerAganazer Member Posts: 1,319

    There are only so many options for respecs...

    1. No Respecs - Its a money grab by Cryptic to keep people subbed longer and roll alts.
    2. Available in the MT shop - Its a money grab by Cryptic and is only useful to people with a salary.
    3. Available in game for in game currency - Its an invitation to gold farmers.
    4. Full respec all the time for free - Game is boring and has no challenge. Only fun for 3 days.

    Is there anything they can do that people wouldn't bitch about?

  • MMO_DoubterMMO_Doubter Member Posts: 5,056
    Originally posted by Aganazer


    There are only so many options for respecs...

    No Respecs - Its a money grab by Cryptic to keep people subbed longer and roll alts.
    Available in the MT shop - Its a money grab by Cryptic and is only useful to people with a salary.
    Available in game for in game currency - Its an invitation to gold farmers.
    Full respec all the time for free - Game is boring and has no challenge. Only fun for 3 days.

    Is there anything they can do that people wouldn't bitch about?

    5 - free full respec once every two weeks.

     

    Not seeing a BIG problem with four, either. How does being stuck with a build you don't like increase fun?

    "" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2

  • dumbo11dumbo11 Member Posts: 134
    Originally posted by Aganazer


    There are only so many options for respecs...

    No Respecs - Its a money grab by Cryptic to keep people subbed longer and roll alts.
    Available in the MT shop - Its a money grab by Cryptic and is only useful to people with a salary.
    Available in game for in game currency - Its an invitation to gold farmers.
    Full respec all the time for free - Game is boring and has no challenge. Only fun for 3 days.

    Is there anything they can do that people wouldn't bitch about?

     

    Personally #3 or a version that required doing a quest would be perfectly reasonable IMHO...  what isn't reasonable is setting the in-game price to such an absurd level that you are never realistically going to be able to afford it.

    FWIW - I am completely, fundamentally opposed to full respecs in MMOs, however due to some "somewhat questionable" design decisions, I can't see any alternative but to have this in Champions Online.   And if you're going to spend developer's time making such a system, it's reasonable to expect that the price will be set to something slightly less insane...  otherwise the developer would have been better off doing something useful - like fixing the jailbreak PQ... [grumble]

  • xtravertxtravert Member UncommonPosts: 134

    I have to admit, I was pretty surprised that they offered the full-respec option outside the Micro-Transaction arena.  When I first saw that the respec option was limited to 10 levels I immediately thought "Ah-Ha!  There's a prime candidate then for MT".  I quite often think in monologue form. 

    I kind of like the idea of accidently gimping your characteras a result of choices I make, it means I have to think a bit.  Not too much mind you as my thinking capabilities are at time limited.  What I don't like though is the thought that a change by the developers could gimp my character and that I would have no recourse other than to re-roll.

    Some good signs early on by Cryptic though in that it does appear that they are listening to their community and meeting customers part way.

  • banthisbanthis Member Posts: 1,891
    Originally posted by Comnitus

    Originally posted by banthis


    They did change the retcon and plenty of power changes but yet there's NO free respec.  At lvl 18 just go back one power costs about 34s any further back gets to aroudn 1 gold..infact to fully respec would cost me more money then I've had the entire game.  I've never seen more than 2g the entire game.   They either need to improve the money drops or lower the cost of the retcon.  Their system still needs work ... ALOT of work.  If they refuse to lower prices to me it says they're going to Charge  for that Full Respec and while I'm fine with that since it means they get the money instead of the gold seller it is kind of pissing me off.
    They either need to up the resources drops or lower the retcon.

    So pick your powers carefully. Think about it, you're training/genetically implanting/modifying your armor to incorporate superhuman abilities into yourself. You can't exactly say, "Whoops I messed up. Whoops, I don't like that. Let me undo it!" without a little cash from your pocket. Well, a lot.

    I really don't think this will become like WoW where you have a DPS spec and a healing spec, or a DPS and a tank spec, or a healing and a tank spec. It could be, but with high cost of respecs, that would be discouraged. Is it good or bad? We'll have to wait and see.  



     

    I did Pick my Power's carefully they fucking Nerf batted and changed what stats my Powers' Rely on without saying so.  InFACT it still says Fire users should rely on Recovery and Presnce when thast not TRUE.  Its Recovery and Endurance since they increased the cost of skills basic Endurance increase through Gear is STILL not enough to fully charge Pyre one of my main abilities.   It needs to be a super stat but the OUT rageous cost of the damn retcon system makes it impossible for me to EVER change it.  The only people that can are going to be payign real money to cash farmers to do it.   

    So dont fucking tell me to be careful I was careful I have a GREAT build until they fucking STealth nerf batted shit.

  • BlurrBlurr Member UncommonPosts: 2,155
    Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

    Originally posted by Aganazer


    There are only so many options for respecs...

    No Respecs - Its a money grab by Cryptic to keep people subbed longer and roll alts.
    Available in the MT shop - Its a money grab by Cryptic and is only useful to people with a salary.
    Available in game for in game currency - Its an invitation to gold farmers.
    Full respec all the time for free - Game is boring and has no challenge. Only fun for 3 days.

    Is there anything they can do that people wouldn't bitch about?

    5 - free full respec once every two weeks.

     

    Not seeing a BIG problem with four, either. How does being stuck with a build you don't like increase fun?



     

    Yes cause why should your character choices matter? Might as well go with #4 and let people respec all the time for free. I know you're just trying to troll the game and all, but those of us who actually know what we're talking about also know that you get to try out your powers before you're "stuck" with them.

    "Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000

  • thinktank001thinktank001 Member UncommonPosts: 2,144

    Wow,  maybe an " Introduction to RMT " thread is needed for CO.   Most F2P provide ways to obtain the same items that are available through RMT in the game.  If they do offer items that can not be obtained via the game, then normally they make them so they are tradeable to give the illusion that everyone has access to them.  Making " ingame " respecs very hard to obtain is the " norm " for the RMT genre and it would be wise to expect all future items becoming next to impossible to obtain for the average user.

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