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oOPaRaDoXOo · January 2005

From some, I've heard the onslaught of complaints concerning the WoW community. From others, I've heard that the community is rather friendly, and that people who complain about it are "rabbles of EQ2 fanboys," I want to hear some raw examples of an unfriendly community in WoW -__-. Or perhaps it's an age-old argument of opinion and Blizzard's history of not having the highest form of eh... comraderie? o_O

Johnark · January 2005

Look... do you wanna know why people say the community in WoW sucks?

It's simple.

WoW has double the population of most MMORPGs out there, maybe even more. And that's because all ex-Diablo 2 players are there. And lots of teenagers are playing it too. But all in all, the game still rocks, so if you exclude all the ex-Diablo 2 players and dumbass teens, what you have left are mature adults (And some teens) that are in the game to have fun!

The difference is that in another MMORPG, let's say Everquest 2, has less population. Cause there are no ex-Diablo 2 players and less dumbass teens. But the fact still remains that there are still more "normal" mature players in WoW than in EQ2!

So yeah... you'll spend a bit more time adding morons to your ignore list than just grouping with random people and having fun. So only you can decide. Play other MMORPGs if you can. Compare them. I did, and I love WoW more than any other MMORPG I've played.

If you wanna skip out on WoW just cause of a bad community that you can easily ignore, then skip out of it. It's your loss. So many people try to diss WoW and the only valid negative comments they can say about it is that it has a bad community. Take any other MMORPG out there and you have 10 times more complaints and negative feedback.

And the worst part is, some of those other MMORPGs have a crummy community too, but no one wants make a big deal about it cause there's so many more things that suck about the MMORPG in the first place. WoW... nothing much sucks. I could only complain about the crappy Character Customization, but that is forgotten thanks to the thousands of different color armor and clothing you can wear. So since nothing much sucks about WoW, people had to find something to diss it... and what is the only major thing that sucks about WoW? The community!!!

See the logic?

Anyways... your loss if you don't play WoW.

Vron · January 2005

Look... do you wanna know why people say the community in WoW sucks?
It's simple.
WoW has double the population of most MMORPGs out there, maybe even more. And that's because all ex-Diablo 2 players are there. And lots of teenagers are playing it too. But all in all, the game still rocks, so if you exclude all the ex-Diablo 2 players and dumbass teens, what you have left are mature adults (And some teens) that are in the game to have fun!
The difference is that in another MMORPG, let's say Everquest 2, has less population. Cause there are no ex-Diablo 2 players and less dumbass teens. But the fact still remains that there are still more "normal" mature players in WoW than in EQ2!
So yeah... you'll spend a bit more time adding morons to your ignore list than just grouping with random people and having fun. So only you can decide. Play other MMORPGs if you can. Compare them. I did, and I love WoW more than any other MMORPG I've played.

That makes no sense. There are less players on each server in WoW than are in most other MMORPGs.

The argument people are making is that the ratio of dumbasses to "mature" people is worse in WoW than it is in EQ2.

I like you're new avatar Johnark. ::::35::

Oh, and commenting on grammer is the lowest form of insulting someone. Oh, and that's just an opinion, not a fact... I don't want Firemagic to go off again.

firemagic · January 2005

Originally posted by Vron
The arguement people are making is that the ratio of dumbasses to "mature" people is worse in WoW than it is in EQ2.

Here's another one that just comes down to opinion... If you want to believe there are more mature people than immature people playing WoW, or vice versa, then that's up to you. The actual fact of the matter is that it's not something you can confirm for definite.

In my experience, there are helpful people and unhelpful people in every MMO and WoW is no different.

But I would be interested to see what the ratio of people who know how to spell the word "argument" is to those who don't.

Matior · January 2005

Ahh the Community *grins evily*

well as said above there are opinions facts on this case are hard to come by (i think).

As my opinion goes. here it is.

First yes as far as i have seen there are a Lot of people out there that are lvl 32 or something and still haven't heard of the /1 command or the aska guard for trainer reply.

So yes people are ignorant and plain lazy at most times, although asking a guard is easier quicker and efficienter then asking a PC but eh im not making the logic im only following it.

BUT there is (specialy when in a nice guild ) also the group who help you and do not try and just moan. These people help a lot and general are nice enough to wait or rezz you now and then.

The % okay and here is where in my opinion at the moment it still is su ck y the lazy/silly ones outnumber us good likable fellows *cough cough* by 4:1 so yea the 'community' sucks but only when you don't bother to ask/look first and not using the friend list well. as sson as you meet a nice person make him/her a friend after that you will meet new people via that person and so on and before you know it you are in a GOOD GREAT community, yes still the bad ones are there but 1!!!!! you don't need them anymore hehehe,

oh and by other bad people i mean the healers who heal themselves first run away or don't get it that they suppose to heal when they are the only healer in a 4-5 people group. *deep sigh*

Gerard: Stop talking nonsense, Rastlin Majere is dead! Tas: So am I. You cant let a little thing like that stop you. - Dragons of a Vanished Moon

JulianDracos · January 2005

Each game and server in some cases in every mmorpg has a different community. In some games they vary a lot, in others it is very little. Each game also attracts a different type of player/fanbase. In the case of WoW they have a substantial amount of the population being blizzard fans and/or this is their first mmorpg. As such you are at least going to get a different community than you would at other games. This will cause some problems for some people.

I am not saying WoW is great, but just as a point of refrence for the SoE and EQ fans out there. I started playing EQ shortly after it came out. I got really into the game, then they put out 'play nice' rules. Besides having the constant spam at the time, I had to deal with constant beggars. Then once the rules were put in I had to deal with pricks on a constant basis because of all sorts of crap. The the uberguilds running everything. I was like being in high school. I hate EQ so much now, not just because of the community I had to endure to be able to play that game, but because the game sucks. It took not playing it for a couple of months and coming back to realize what crap it was.

Different people are drawn to different games. Those who play EQ and EQ2 are not the people I generally enjoy playing online games with. Those who I have met in person while ok people are not ones I would want to spend a lot of time with. My point is that you have to judge a community on your tastes and not that of others.

Nihilanth · January 2005

on WoW its very server dependent. my friend has characters on 2 servers. the one he plays most is on some S server...sagara.....or w/e, something like that. anyways, he plays it more because the community on that server is good. the community on the server where his other character is however.....not so good. theres also servers that are kindof in the middle. just make sure you get on a good one. overall though, as someone said, if you exclude few jerks, 1337 d00ds, and whiners, the game's community is actually realy good and helpful.

oh and to the guy who said EQ2 people shout out things they are selling, there are virtually no beggars, and i dont know wtf the "play nice" rules are. they may have done al that in EQ1 but not EQ2 (sorry had to add that in there: im an EQ2 fanboy i guess)

JulianDracos · January 2005

Originally posted by Nihilanth

on WoW its very server dependent. my friend has characters on 2 servers. the one he plays most is on some S server...sagara.....or w/e, something like that. anyways, he plays it more because the community on that server is good. the community on the server where his other character is however.....not so good. theres also servers that are kindof in the middle. just make sure you get on a good one. overall though, as someone said, if you exclude few jerks, 1337 d00ds, and whiners, the game's community is actually realy good and helpful.

oh and to the guy who said EQ2 people shout out things they are selling, there are virtually no beggars, and i dont know wtf the "play nice" rules are. they may have done al that in EQ1 but not EQ2 (sorry had to add that in there: im an EQ2 fanboy i guess)

Ok let me see if I can remember some of the rules. Ok kill stealing is not allowed. That makes sense, but instead of programing a game to solve the problem - something good mmorpg do - they still leave it in the programing. So what happens is you accidentally attack/pull a target that someone else has and then the person would disrupt the game being a bastard about it. Maybe report you to a CSR.

Training of mobs. First of all this was again a design problem of an inferior game. Instead of fixing it they made it against the rules to purposefully train mobs. So if I walk into a new area and mobs are on me, I forget how to get to the zone so I run around. The mobs get on other people who then report you to a CSR who will come and give your typical crap service you expect for EQ. If you do zone then everyone resting at the zone entrence will be pissed because they now have mobs on them.

Profanity. Why? Must we protect the poor little children from hearing language? They are going to hear it anyway. You have a filter in the game. But one must remember to be careful with your words or you will be reported.

Contested Spaws/Camping. If you get some place first and another group shows up you have to negotiate. WTF? Why should I? I was hear first so move along. If my group and kill all of the mobs in an large area leaving none for others, why should I?

All of these issues have been fixed by other games in design. I remember one review of DAOC. It said something to the effect of, it is EQ that has a real purpose for PvP, that doesn't force it on anyone, and fixes every problem that EQ has. That is a correct view of EQ.

But the worst part of all of this besides the false CS reports, being harassed by other players because of the rules now - because before you could tell them to fuck off and they would tend to do so now you just got another CS report on you. These people would form large guilds and enforce the polices themselves. Essentially you pissed off the wrong person you would never get into a good guild or get a group. EQ is like playing high school and they now had a policy to help them do that. It has the worst group of people I have ever had to deal with including high school.

I am not saying WoW is any better, but it cannot be any worse than that bunch of cry babies. Maybe things have changed on their polices and this has gotten us better players, but given what they did with SWG I will never trust an SoE product again.

Vron · January 2005

Ok one person is talking about EQ and one person is talking about EQ2.

Ok let me see if I can remember some of the rules. Ok kill stealing is not allowed. That makes sense, but instead of programing a game to solve the problem - something good mmorpg do - they still leave it in the programing. So what happens is you accidentally attack/pull a target that someone else has and then the person would disrupt the game being a bastard about it. Maybe report you to a CSR.

Fixed in EQ2.

Training of mobs. First of all this was again a design problem of an inferior game. Instead of fixing it they made it against the rules to purposefully train mobs. So if I walk into a new area and mobs are on me, I forget how to get to the zone so I run around. The mobs get on other people who then report you to a CSR who will come and give your typical crap service you expect for EQ. If you do zone then everyone resting at the zone entrence will be pissed because they now have mobs on them.

Fixed in EQ2.

Profanity. Why? Must we protect the poor little children from hearing language? They are going to hear it anyway. You have a filter in the game. But one must remember to be careful with your words or you will be reported.

This is coming from someone who plays WoW? Please, at any moment you can check the official forums for WoW and see someone complaining about how they got banned for 3 or 72 hours for cursing. 2 examples of dumb CS:

- The guild called "Knights of Gold and Beer" had to change their name because it was a reference to alcohol. Hmm.. right on the ESRB rating it says "Use of Alcohol", not to mention all the vendors that sell "alcoholic beverages".

- Someone in my guild got banned for saying "damn you bastard lol".. banned for 72 hours!

And for the last comment about Contested spawns/camping(I would quote you but it isn't letting me for some reason...), it's, for the most part, fixed in EQ2 with instances.

Pheace · January 2005

"Ok one person is talking about EQ and one person is talking about EQ2.

Ok let me see if I can remember some of the rules. Ok kill stealing is not allowed. That makes sense, but instead of programing a game to solve the problem - something good mmorpg do - they still leave it in the programing. So what happens is you accidentally attack/pull a target that someone else has and then the person would disrupt the game being a bastard about it. Maybe report you to a CSR.

Fixed in EQ2."

It is? Wow people must be complaining about nothing then

Apart from the fact that once you hit a mob now it's yours totally it's still there. Wonderfull mechanic , suddenly it's free for all to hit any mob someone else hasnt hit yet even if they're running at it already.
Camps are already there in some instances and people there expect you not to take mobs theyt are expecting to kill. "killstealing"may not be possible iafter you've gotten a hit but before it sure is which iwas half of the problem anyway.

I've also heard people who got trained upon although i don't know the specifics of how it happened.

It's not all there in the same way it was in EQ1 but come on , look at what you'd be comparing with.

pingo · January 2005

Good points.

My version of the godly community?

Of course there was does goddam Starwars Role playing Nazis who demanded that every person was an expert at the starwars lore, but the intial design was amazing.

Within the first month, you could go into an bar and see 20-30 people dancing and playing musics which job was to interacte and heal the players BF(A sort of permanent damage you have to get cured once and a while)! It was so neat because people would totally socialise with you, and you would talk to all sorts of strange people talking about all sorts of different things.

This was of course before the days of AFK people and the choice that SOE made by supporting this playstyle:/ The result now is all these people who where supposed to act social are just afk and grinding via macros(swg has a cool and easy to use in game macro system):/

According to wowcensus, over 620.000 accounts are now active in wow.

With that high a number I doubt that anyone are able to give solid feedback on how the community is.

It is indeed different.

There are not many GMs in the game! Not enouge to control 88 servers!. People get easily pissed! people are also nice!

I really dont know. It is to early to judge I guss!

Some people say that all the diablo freaks cant pay for wow and will just play free mmos like guild wars instead!

Vron · January 2005

"Ok one person is talking about EQ and one person is talking about EQ2.
Ok let me see if I can remember some of the rules. Ok kill stealing is not allowed. That makes sense, but instead of programing a game to solve the problem - something good mmorpg do - they still leave it in the programing. So what happens is you accidentally attack/pull a target that someone else has and then the person would disrupt the game being a bastard about it. Maybe report you to a CSR.
Fixed in EQ2."

It is? Wow people must be complaining about nothing then
Apart from the fact that once you hit a mob now it's yours totally it's still there. Wonderfull mechanic , suddenly it's free for all to hit any mob someone else hasnt hit yet even if they're running at it already.
Camps are already there in some instances and people there expect you not to take mobs theyt are expecting to kill. "killstealing"may not be possible iafter you've gotten a hit but before it sure is which iwas half of the problem anyway.
I've also heard people who got trained upon although i don't know the specifics of how it happened.

It is as fixed as it can be in EQ2. Sadly, you can't program computers to read peoples' minds and know what mobs they want to attack. Once you hit it once it's yours. Same way with WoW, and except in EQ2 you can't atack it, and in WoW you can attack(still recieving no xp though). If you can find a way to read people's minds and know exactly which mob they want to attack, and then have that mob locked into you, you will become a rich, rich person.

And, once again, EQ2 and WoW work exactly the same way. If you train a mob away from where it spawns, it will go right back. On it's way back it won't aggro until it gets back to where it's camp is.

admriker444 · January 2005

Ive always found one simple way to measure the type of community Im playing in. I do a spam selling something in a high traffic area.

In a mature community you'll either get zero spam back or some personal replies and thats about it. In an immature community there will always be a smarta_ that has to make a comment or two.

I love WoW but the community is pretty bad. I gave up on trying to sell in IF and just dump everything on AH now. Some might say you should do that anyway but there are times when I need money immediately. Also if Blizzard didnt want us spamming sales they wouldnt have put it a trade channel. There was always someone who's have to say something like "rofl what a thief, you can loot that yourself if you go to..., i'll give it away for free just to spite that guy, just put in on AH and stop bothering me with spam, and much much worse comments.

I dont care for SWG but I will say this for that crappy game, at least I was able to act as a merchant and sell without adding 30 people a night to my ignore list.

Silver. · January 2005

I have grown ::::07:: SICK of these post!
My last words........

Yeah deal with it, or else ::::15::
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JulianDracos · January 2005

Originally posted by Vron

Profanity. Why? Must we protect the poor little children from hearing language? They are going to hear it anyway. You have a filter in the game. But one must remember to be careful with your words or you will be reported.

This is coming from someone who plays WoW? Please, at any moment you can check the official forums for WoW and see someone complaining about how they got banned for 3 or 72 hours for cursing. 2 examples of dumb CS:

- The guild called "Knights of Gold and Beer" had to change their name because it was a reference to alcohol. Hmm.. right on the ESRB rating it says "Use of Alcohol", not to mention all the vendors that sell "alcoholic beverages".

- Someone in my guild got banned for saying "damn you bastard lol".. banned for 72 hours!

And for the last comment about Contested spawns/camping(I would quote you but it isn't letting me for some reason...), it's, for the most part, fixed in EQ2 with instances.

I don't play WoW

While the graphics are great they look too cartoonish for me. Not enough content. Their PvP or RvR system has not really been impleneted yet. It is very fast to level. So until they get more to do in the game besides play an EQ knock off or be a griefer I am going to stay away from it. Once it has been a few months and all of the functions have been added then I will go, but since they have that profanity issue - not that I even recall using it in an mmorpg in recent memory - I will stay away from it. Games that need policies like that are not worth playing. If I wanted a mommie looking over my shoulder I would move back home.

pingo · January 2005

Originally posted by JulianDracos

Originally posted by Vron

Profanity. Why? Must we protect the poor little children from hearing language? They are going to hear it anyway. You have a filter in the game. But one must remember to be careful with your words or you will be reported.

This is coming from someone who plays WoW? Please, at any moment you can check the official forums for WoW and see someone complaining about how they got banned for 3 or 72 hours for cursing. 2 examples of dumb CS:

- The guild called "Knights of Gold and Beer" had to change their name because it was a reference to alcohol. Hmm.. right on the ESRB rating it says "Use of Alcohol", not to mention all the vendors that sell "alcoholic beverages".

- Someone in my guild got banned for saying "damn you bastard lol".. banned for 72 hours!

And for the last comment about Contested spawns/camping(I would quote you but it isn't letting me for some reason...), it's, for the most part, fixed in EQ2 with instances.

I don't play WoW

While the graphics are great they look too cartoonish for me. Not enough content. Their PvP or RvR system has not really been impleneted yet. It is very fast to level. So until they get more to do in the game besides play an EQ knock off or be a griefer I am going to stay away from it. Once it has been a few months and all of the functions have been added then I will go, but since they have that profanity issue - not that I even recall using it in an mmorpg in recent memory - I will stay away from it. Games that need policies like that are not worth playing. If I wanted a mommie looking over my shoulder I would move back home.

wow! You feel mature when you swear in a game?

Does it matter?

Seriously! Only losers would want to swear and insult at other players in a game.

Its battle.net kids like does Blizzard are trying to push themselfs away from!

Vampir · January 2005

OK first off EQ 2 cannot compare to WoW. Because EQ2 does not ahve different realms, meaning that all u have is PvP, and PvE, and possible CLan vs Clan. I am a DAOC vet who ahd several level 50's and i loved RvR too much to say i am unbiased. BUt WoW has RvR meaning their is a lot more depth to the game when u hit the top level. its not like in the upper levels of everquest where playing not only became monotonous, but became very punishing if u died. EQ was great when it first came out though.

THe thing about community is like in DAOC. it is totally dependent on server to server. first off NEVER complain about a bad community in PvP server cus thats just really assinine. Because any idiot can put 2 brain cells togehther and spark the thought that PvP servers attract allt eh bad people. so that can disvalidate a lot of the bad community complaints. then there are normal servers( for average players), and roleplaying servers ( i have not tried them in WoW but in DAOC they attracted the uptight folks) roleplaying servers are for people who are really uptight and believe us hould play hte game a certain way. so basically what i am saying is there is a server for u.

Vladamir the impaler

Matior · January 2005

Originally posted by Vampyr

THe thing about community is like in DAOC. it is totally dependent on server to server. first off NEVER complain about a bad community in PvP server cus thats just really assinine. Because any idiot can put 2 brain cells togehther and spark the thought that PvP servers attract allt eh bad people. so that can disvalidate a lot of the bad community complaints. then there are normal servers( for average players), and roleplaying servers ( i have not tried them in WoW but in DAOC they attracted the uptight folks) roleplaying servers are for people who are really uptight and believe us hould play hte game a certain way. so basically what i am saying is there is a server for u.

Vladamir the impaler

Im not uptight PFWah

heheh i know what you mean tho there are some out there who want (read force) you to do it their way, but most are not like that just as most normal non-rp are no Bast ards there are a few but that is in every community there is always one and mostly a few that are the loudest and the most present by there annoying way shout the entire time and so on, in other words not all like that they are only most heard because (like me) can't stand to not reply sometimes to those kinda people.

Like now you call almost every RP uptight. i know that is because you only had a few bad experiences with rp'ers well not all are like that thats all.

But i do feel spoken to with that kinda remarks, althuogh i should know better and just ignore it. but couldn't resist defending us rp'ers a bit

So not al rp'ers are bad uptight people, not all pve'ers are lame and don't want pvp in at all, and not all pvp'ers are Gankers and attack only 15 lvl and lower noobs. they are only the most talked about.

please don't flame me

Gerard: Stop talking nonsense, Rastlin Majere is dead! Tas: So am I. You cant let a little thing like that stop you. - Dragons of a Vanished Moon

JulianDracos · January 2005

Originally posted by pingo
wow! You feel mature when you swear in a game?
Does it matter?
Seriously! Only losers would want to swear and insult at other players in a game.
Its battle.net kids like does Blizzard are trying to push themselfs away from!

No but say I am in a group and I just died because of lag. If I want to say to people in my group "fucking lag killed me" I should be free to do so. If the people in my group complain we can resolve that amongst ourselves. But what if I accidentally say that but forget to put it in group chat, why should I be punished? I can walk down the street and say anything I want, why can't I do it in the game? If I say something in guild chat that is a problem whether it is language or not, then that is for the guild to resolve. The idea about maturity is that people can actually solve issues without some authority getting involved.

So here is what grown up people do. If for some reason you are so tramatized by certain words use the /filter command. If that does not work ask the person to stop. Then if not use the /ignore command. It is as simple as that. However for the moral police out there wanting to protect the world from what they consider foul language that is not enough. We must have rules and punishments over these issues. That is immaturity at its worst.

Jodokai · January 2005

I never understood swearing in a game. I mean it takes you time to type out the word so you are actually thinking about saying. Now I swear in real life, most of the time it slips out, but on a game why? Just don't get it. And you can actually be arrested for walking down the street cussing (Cops in New Orleans can be mean when they want to).

Second, even people who like the game will tell you the community is full of "the wrong crowd" You want proof? Next time I'm on, I'll post a screen shot of my chat log. Then I'll go to EQ2 for twice as long and post a screen shot. Then we can count the number of times someone insults someone else. Heck let's just count the number of times someone calls someone else a noob. I'll even let someone else pick the servers.

hercules · January 2005

Originally posted by oOPaRaDoXOo

From some, I've heard the onslaught of complaints concerning the WoW community. From others, I've heard that the community is rather friendly, and that people who complain about it are "rabbles of EQ2 fanboys," I want to hear some raw examples of an unfriendly community in WoW -__-. Or perhaps it's an age-old argument of opinion and Blizzard's history of not having the highest form of eh... comraderie? o_O

When talking about opinons of EQ2 or WoW,be it gameplay ,community or whatever I think its best to shell out the money and try it.

Also even if a mmorpg has a bad community a good guild usually fixes that.I personally found SWG to be filled with star wars fanatics at launch with no idea of how to behave in a mmorpg but it never affected me because i ran a shopping complex with a nice bunch of guys and rarely had much to do with nasty folks.

In short,it was fun booting rude people from my shop gave me a extra laugh and get the tell "dude sorry i was rude but i must own that krayt pre nerf FWG you got so sale".

Only thing you got to fear is actually running into kriminal or firemagic ingame now thats scary

Luckily for me i am going for the euro version so no chance of that happening to me thankfully.

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