I wouldn't say its amazing, but it is a damn good game considering the shit we've had these past few years.
From a technical viewpoint Aion is the shittiest AAA title I have played, like, ever actually. I have to use my laptop as a relay to be even able to log on on my desktop machine and that's just hilarious. After leaving the noob island there are also constant crashes, didn't have those with AoC, LotRO, WAR, etc. I guess I can count myself lucky for not having any issues with Gameguard.
Some in game stuff is far from "damn good" as well, like the stoneage terrain textures. While I didn't encounter many bugs, my overall beta experience so far completely invalidates the claim that Aion was some extremely polished game compared to the recent European titles. Especially considering it's been out for the better part of a year already.
Fix your computer dude.
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
guess simply most pcs are shitty in here?! wow animations (and not effects, theres a difference) are MUCH better... and champions online is HELL better in effects... and look in aion at the worldtextures... mainly they are worse. wow did it in wotlk better... most other games did it better... but, hype is bigger than being realistic. and...defeating the game where someone is wasting his time (or just playing an mmo, which is the same) is a popular attitude.
its just cute and a good art design. highquality models that are sexy and thats it...
technicaly its a good game, but theres not much new in it. its good and bad. the good thing, its harder to fail. the bad thing, you wont get innvations. look at wow... it changed the mmo world to static themepark world. everything that was not themepark style got killed until now... (f.ex. collecting the key for strat/ubrs... instance prequests and so on...) ...
hope people will cry for new things. not for another nerdy (heyho lineage2) ... or too casual (every stupid idiot is able to do EVERYTHING) game... it should serve for all parts... and not get streamlined for just dumbness ...
The potential is there. Nothing ground breaking just a solid mmo that might be able to pull off a game with pve & pvp that does not suk. Time will tell. NA peeps can play OB, just reg at FP (not paying customer): www.fileplanet.com/promotions/aion/beta/
You guys are a joke and with such comment you are KILLING every single hope MMO has to get to the level it once was. Freaking Wombies - you can't go and play "more of the same". Your expectations are low and you guys are spoiled. Game is good because it is polished? Lol for real ... go play Fallen Earth or any other MMO out there that is far from polished, but at least offers something new to the genre. AoC, even WAR - all offered something new and sink because they were unfinished. Remember what EA did with FIFA - you brainless braniacs are assuring that it happens the same to MMO world - and you can see it hapenning already. Only a weak almost IQ 73 would say that the game is "nothing new but is ok because it is polished". Don't get me wrong - I am not talking bout the people who like the game for the game - but those who think it is nothing new and it is just polished should just stop playing MMO's ...
Polish is really important. It can be what makes the game immersive and fun, just by looking around, before you even start doing anything. It lays the foundation for everything else to even feel worthwhile.
Thing is, I want to see innovation, too. A game that is both polished and innovative - because if it's just polished, it will be ok, at best. Like Aion.
What's so hard to understand about that?
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
You keep repeating the same thing now on all the recent threads. I hope you realise that behind this facade of superiority, your actions reveal worry. Which really doesn't make much sense, it's not like Aion is threatening WoW.
Anywaysssssssssss, play Aion on a high end rig and you will see how great the graphics are.
Also, Aion is the elite of the elite of NCSoft. Its the 2nd place mmo in the world. About 3-4 months ago, I said it could possible beat WoW in subs (zomg WoW killer zomg...sex with asians) but it wont. I dont want to make this into a "WoW is better so stfu" thread but Aion is an infant in a company that has a shoddy record of raising kids and they just dont have the focus on development extension that Blizzard has shown they have.
But, regardless, I will be playing Aion come the 20th of this month. I will be focused on reaching max level but more focused on killing whatever I have the ability to kill on the opposite faction. I will enjoy myself I think and hopefully I will forget about how much better the World of Azeroth is atm.
You guys are a joke and with such comment you are KILLING every single hope MMO has to get to the level it once was. Freaking Wombies - you can't go and play "more of the same". Your expectations are low and you guys are spoiled. Game is good because it is polished? Lol for real ... go play Fallen Earth or any other MMO out there that is far from polished, but at least offers something new to the genre. AoC, even WAR - all offered something new and sink because they were unfinished. Remember what EA did with FIFA - you brainless braniacs are assuring that it happens the same to MMO world - and you can see it hapenning already. Only a weak almost IQ 73 would say that the game is "nothing new but is ok because it is polished". Don't get me wrong - I am not talking bout the people who like the game for the game - but those who think it is nothing new and it is just polished should just stop playing MMO's ...
Polish is really important. It can be what makes the game immersive and fun, just by looking around, before you even start doing anything. It lays the foundation for everything else to even feel worthwhile.
Thing is, I want to see innovation, too. A game that is both polished and innovative - because if it's just polished, it will be ok, at best. Like Aion.
What's so hard to understand about that?
You don't see the flaws in your logic do you? Let me ask you why is Aion reasonably polished game - because it is almost 1 year old and to demand such polished products is science fiction and can go in 2 directions :
a.)never gonna happen
b.)(already existing) game launches and hosts a full subscription beta (the case with War, Aoc and Vanguard
What I am trying to say is that this ilussion about polished games is just that - an illusion. You cannot even start to polish the game untill you have 100k+ players - all MMO releases showed us the same pattern before and the argument "WoW might be buggy at beginning but now it is polished and you cannot compare that x game to wow at start but of present state" kinda holds the ground but if you guys want ready mades ( - WoW in Louvre ... frankly I could see that happen) MMO genre will stop evolving and will become copy after copy after copy of the same concept. Implementing new features is a pain in the ass and spoiled players that want polished game at release and are not prepared to help devs polish the game for them are simply stupid. It's your turn - do you want another vanilla ice cream or you want some new tastes that requires some testing and collecting opinions. Like it was already pointed out - it is not that hard to make a polished rdm - you just take an old wheel and a chair .... but to create a wheel in a chair takes some time. RDM is a negative comment towards art - WoW is a RDM in MMO's.
Now please stop with the childish wow mentality - I WANT THIS NOW AND I WANT IT FIXED (even if it is just another branch of vanilla ice cream) and help evolve MMO's - pre WoW mentality noone even expected the game to be polished at release : all players really wanted was to be able to actually play it.
I think the only reason to post is to show what you are buying in the Korean sack. It is informative and shows very much what kind of PVE content this game offers.
A video of downing a typical boss in Aion: no one moves, no reactive boss elements. Everybody stands there and doesn't move an inch. It is like hitting a static wall. Dozens Aion bosses all the same. 20 minutes of static fighting. http://www.xfire.com/video/1038cd/ says it all really. Welcome to the Korean Copycat. Thank you for the money. We will make another 3 dozen of those bosses in patch 1.5.
Congrats you showed us a vid of an outdoor elite spawn, which btw realy isn't a boss its a zone cleaner, you should be totally proud.
For those that are looking for a solid game that might be entertaining to play, maybe. You might like it, you might not.
For everyone else and people looking for something "new": No, and I wish they stay away.
Basically if you are a gamer who have been giving games a fair chance and not worried about the so called game "politics", you might enjoy this game. People think they know it all about mmorpg, but does not even learn about the game, then I have nothing to say to them since it is a waste of time. Of course, not everyone value games the same way, so there might always be sensible gamers who doesn't think Aion is the game for them.
Aion is nothing drastically new. If your coming into the game under the mindset that it is your gonna be very very dissappointed with the outcome. However, if your looking for a game thats highly polished and pvp centered your gonna really enjoy this game.
It is not that amazing, but like someone said it is solid experience.
It also gives a PvP model that some of us have missed - which is open world PvP with dynamic objectives. There are quite few of us who dislike instanced PvP.
"The person who experiences greatness must have a feeling for the myth he is in."
A video of downing a typical boss in Aion: no one moves, no reactive boss elements. Everybody stands there and doesn't move an inch. It is like hitting a static wall. Dozens Aion bosses all the same. 20 minutes of static fighting. http://www.xfire.com/video/1038cd/ says it all really. Welcome to the Korean Copycat. Thank you for the money. We will make another 3 dozen of those bosses in patch 1.5.
Are you copying and pasting this in every thread? I notice this time you took out the PVP part lol
Wanted to IMO the thing that surprises me the most about Aion is how good it looks on my machine and how well it runs. I am not necessarily talking about the Art style thats all in opinion and I know alot of people that don't dig the Asian theme and I am included but Aion just jump out to me as over the top asian flavor...maybe because I can make a male char that doesn't look like a woman
Polish is really important. It can be what makes the game immersive and fun, just by looking around, before you even start doing anything. It lays the foundation for everything else to even feel worthwhile. Thing is, I want to see innovation, too. A game that is both polished and innovative - because if it's just polished, it will be ok, at best. Like Aion. What's so hard to understand about that?
You don't see the flaws in your logic do you? Let me ask you why is Aion reasonably polished game - because it is almost 1 year old and to demand such polished products is science fiction and can go in 2 directions : a.)never gonna happen b.)(already existing) game launches and hosts a full subscription beta (the case with War, Aoc and Vanguard What I am trying to say is that this ilussion about polished games is just that - an illusion. You cannot even start to polish the game untill you have 100k+ players - all MMO releases showed us the same pattern before and the argument "WoW might be buggy at beginning but now it is polished and you cannot compare that x game to wow at start but of present state" kinda holds the ground but if you guys want ready mades ( :D - WoW in Louvre ... frankly I could see that happen) MMO genre will stop evolving and will become copy after copy after copy of the same concept. Implementing new features is a pain in the ass and spoiled players that want polished game at release and are not prepared to help devs polish the game for them are simply stupid. It's your turn - do you want another vanilla ice cream or you want some new tastes that requires some testing and collecting opinions. Like it was already pointed out - it is not that hard to make a polished rdm - you just take an old wheel and a chair .... but to create a wheel in a chair takes some time. RDM is a negative comment towards art - WoW is a RDM in MMO's.
First of all, there have been a number of MMOs that were polished at launch. Just because it isn't the norm doesn't mean it never happens.
Secondly, most MMOs that lack polish at launch never become successful enough to ever get all that well polished. Sometimes due to lack of funding, but a lot of times the lack of polish comes from a poorly directed development. Where too many features are wedged in along the way, so that no amount of extra time really fixes the game. Polish isn't just about finishing touches, it's about knowing what the game is going to be, before they even get started making it so that development plays out smoothly.
Third, it's an MMOs launch that makes or breaks the game. It has to be popular when it's shiny and new. If they can't keep that initial surge of new players interested, chances are, they'll never get a second chance, no matter how polished they make the game eventually. There are lots of MMOs that make for a great example of that fact.
Lastly, it's not just about me and my opinion. Or anyone's individual opinion. It's the nature of capitalism. You need to produce a product people want, or they won't buy it. In almost every market, first and foremost, consumers tend to look for products that aren't shoddy, broken, or unfinished, and fact of the matter is, most consumers aren't going to be sympathetic to excuses.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
I played some more last night. Granted I'm still somewhat low level but at this point, it just feels......foreign. It feels like an asian game. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that, it's just the feeling I get when I'm playing. I don't know if it's because of the art style, the quests (which lets be honest, are pretty dull), the private vendors or the animations. Maybe it's all those things. I'm not even comparing it to WoW, but it doesn't feel like any western game (EQ2, LotRO, WAR).
It's basically a very polished, above average asian game. I judge a game on it's gameplay, not on it's graphics or it's character creator. I gotta say so far, I'm not seeing anything spectacular about the gameplay that would warrant a purchase. But, that being said, I'm still going to play it through the OB, with the hope that it does get better later on.
1. Ofc there are exceptions to the rule - but even in science few exceptions just confirm the rule as the saying goes. I would like to see a list of such polished mmos from launch - WoW was quite a problem first weeks, AO was a disaster, all 2008 MMOs were a disaster ... there is LOTRO which was very polished. But the fact is LOTRO didn't have any single unique feature and such features normally are the problem at launch.
2.Again - name polished games. WoW was far from polished but it succeded - same goes for EQ2. Than there is another question: which MMO was a success after WoW? I know pre WoW MMO's had terrible problems at launch also.
3.I wouldn't agree with you. This came with WoWization of the genre. Daoc, eq2, etc all had terrible launch but are still around and just fine. OFC the game has to work - the case with AO was different: game simply didn't work
4.I am making a thesis which comments WoWization of MMO genre through Heidegger and Marx's understanding of modern world. Yeah, WoW is not as much the cause but rather the consequence of world changes. The only thing is that MMO's avoided that far longer than most of the genres. Now it's here and everyone with some brains left will not be sattisfied with finished polished products that are just result of stockpiling the same stupid product for years!
Ah had something else written but I realised it would take 2 much time to explain everything and just deleted it
I wouldn't say its amazing, but it is a damn good game considering the shit we've had these past few years.
From a technical viewpoint Aion is the shittiest AAA title I have played, like, ever actually. I have to use my laptop as a relay to be even able to log on on my desktop machine and that's just hilarious. After leaving the noob island there are also constant crashes, didn't have those with AoC, LotRO, WAR, etc. I guess I can count myself lucky for not having any issues with Gameguard.
Some in game stuff is far from "damn good" as well, like the stoneage terrain textures. While I didn't encounter many bugs, my overall beta experience so far completely invalidates the claim that Aion was some extremely polished game compared to the recent European titles. Especially considering it's been out for the better part of a year already.
LMFAO... damn kid... put your computer illiteracy on AION or their US Producer NC Soft... as opposed to blaiming yourself. Think about it, your having problems a million other people arn't hmmmm... I think it's bad programming too! Shitty AAA's
"Sometimes people say stuff they don''t mean, but more often then that they don''t say things they do mean"
A video of downing a typical boss in Aion: no one moves, no reactive boss elements. Everybody stands there and doesn't move an inch. It is like hitting a static wall. Dozens Aion bosses all the same. 20 minutes of static fighting. http://www.xfire.com/video/1038cd/ says it all really. Welcome to the Korean Copycat. Thank you for the money. We will make another 3 dozen of those bosses in patch 1.5.
Zorndorf quit your hating dude. There is enough information out there if one does their research to contridict your statement two fold. Your xfire numbers statement has already been defouled but you still spout it like the holy grail. Give it up and try another MMO or go back to the WOW forums.
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It's a lot easier to build upon a polished base game than to bug hunt the new features on top of bug hunting the original game.
From a technical viewpoint Aion is the shittiest AAA title I have played, like, ever actually. I have to use my laptop as a relay to be even able to log on on my desktop machine and that's just hilarious. After leaving the noob island there are also constant crashes, didn't have those with AoC, LotRO, WAR, etc. I guess I can count myself lucky for not having any issues with Gameguard.
Some in game stuff is far from "damn good" as well, like the stoneage terrain textures. While I didn't encounter many bugs, my overall beta experience so far completely invalidates the claim that Aion was some extremely polished game compared to the recent European titles. Especially considering it's been out for the better part of a year already.
Fix your computer dude.
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
aion hasnt superb grafics oô
guess simply most pcs are shitty in here?! wow animations (and not effects, theres a difference) are MUCH better... and champions online is HELL better in effects... and look in aion at the worldtextures... mainly they are worse. wow did it in wotlk better... most other games did it better... but, hype is bigger than being realistic. and...defeating the game where someone is wasting his time (or just playing an mmo, which is the same) is a popular attitude.
its just cute and a good art design. highquality models that are sexy and thats it...
technicaly its a good game, but theres not much new in it. its good and bad. the good thing, its harder to fail. the bad thing, you wont get innvations. look at wow... it changed the mmo world to static themepark world. everything that was not themepark style got killed until now... (f.ex. collecting the key for strat/ubrs... instance prequests and so on...) ...
hope people will cry for new things. not for another nerdy (heyho lineage2) ... or too casual (every stupid idiot is able to do EVERYTHING) game... it should serve for all parts... and not get streamlined for just dumbness ...
you sir are THE MAN!
thanks!
Polish is really important. It can be what makes the game immersive and fun, just by looking around, before you even start doing anything. It lays the foundation for everything else to even feel worthwhile.
Thing is, I want to see innovation, too. A game that is both polished and innovative - because if it's just polished, it will be ok, at best. Like Aion.
What's so hard to understand about that?
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
You keep repeating the same thing now on all the recent threads. I hope you realise that behind this facade of superiority, your actions reveal worry. Which really doesn't make much sense, it's not like Aion is threatening WoW.
@OP,
Your avatar is pretty awesome.
Anywaysssssssssss, play Aion on a high end rig and you will see how great the graphics are.
Also, Aion is the elite of the elite of NCSoft. Its the 2nd place mmo in the world. About 3-4 months ago, I said it could possible beat WoW in subs (zomg WoW killer zomg...sex with asians) but it wont. I dont want to make this into a "WoW is better so stfu" thread but Aion is an infant in a company that has a shoddy record of raising kids and they just dont have the focus on development extension that Blizzard has shown they have.
But, regardless, I will be playing Aion come the 20th of this month. I will be focused on reaching max level but more focused on killing whatever I have the ability to kill on the opposite faction. I will enjoy myself I think and hopefully I will forget about how much better the World of Azeroth is atm.
Polish is really important. It can be what makes the game immersive and fun, just by looking around, before you even start doing anything. It lays the foundation for everything else to even feel worthwhile.
Thing is, I want to see innovation, too. A game that is both polished and innovative - because if it's just polished, it will be ok, at best. Like Aion.
What's so hard to understand about that?
You don't see the flaws in your logic do you? Let me ask you why is Aion reasonably polished game - because it is almost 1 year old and to demand such polished products is science fiction and can go in 2 directions :
a.)never gonna happen
b.)(already existing) game launches and hosts a full subscription beta (the case with War, Aoc and Vanguard
What I am trying to say is that this ilussion about polished games is just that - an illusion. You cannot even start to polish the game untill you have 100k+ players - all MMO releases showed us the same pattern before and the argument "WoW might be buggy at beginning but now it is polished and you cannot compare that x game to wow at start but of present state" kinda holds the ground but if you guys want ready mades (
- WoW in Louvre ... frankly I could see that happen) MMO genre will stop evolving and will become copy after copy after copy of the same concept. Implementing new features is a pain in the ass and spoiled players that want polished game at release and are not prepared to help devs polish the game for them are simply stupid. It's your turn - do you want another vanilla ice cream or you want some new tastes that requires some testing and collecting opinions. Like it was already pointed out - it is not that hard to make a polished rdm - you just take an old wheel and a chair .... but to create a wheel in a chair takes some time. RDM is a negative comment towards art - WoW is a RDM in MMO's.
Now please stop with the childish wow mentality - I WANT THIS NOW AND I WANT IT FIXED (even if it is just another branch of vanilla ice cream) and help evolve MMO's - pre WoW mentality noone even expected the game to be polished at release : all players really wanted was to be able to actually play it.
WTF is the Korean sack?
Congrats you showed us a vid of an outdoor elite spawn, which btw realy isn't a boss its a zone cleaner, you should be totally proud.
Simple answer:
For those that are looking for a solid game that might be entertaining to play, maybe. You might like it, you might not.
For everyone else and people looking for something "new": No, and I wish they stay away.
Basically if you are a gamer who have been giving games a fair chance and not worried about the so called game "politics", you might enjoy this game. People think they know it all about mmorpg, but does not even learn about the game, then I have nothing to say to them since it is a waste of time. Of course, not everyone value games the same way, so there might always be sensible gamers who doesn't think Aion is the game for them.
Aion is nothing drastically new. If your coming into the game under the mindset that it is your gonna be very very dissappointed with the outcome. However, if your looking for a game thats highly polished and pvp centered your gonna really enjoy this game.
It is not that amazing, but like someone said it is solid experience.
It also gives a PvP model that some of us have missed - which is open world PvP with dynamic objectives. There are quite few of us who dislike instanced PvP.
"The person who experiences greatness must have a feeling for the myth he is in."
Are you copying and pasting this in every thread? I notice this time you took out the PVP part lol
Wanted to IMO the thing that surprises me the most about Aion is how good it looks on my machine and how well it runs. I am not necessarily talking about the Art style thats all in opinion and I know alot of people that don't dig the Asian theme and I am included but Aion just jump out to me as over the top asian flavor...maybe because I can make a male char that doesn't look like a woman
First of all, there have been a number of MMOs that were polished at launch. Just because it isn't the norm doesn't mean it never happens.
Secondly, most MMOs that lack polish at launch never become successful enough to ever get all that well polished. Sometimes due to lack of funding, but a lot of times the lack of polish comes from a poorly directed development. Where too many features are wedged in along the way, so that no amount of extra time really fixes the game. Polish isn't just about finishing touches, it's about knowing what the game is going to be, before they even get started making it so that development plays out smoothly.
Third, it's an MMOs launch that makes or breaks the game. It has to be popular when it's shiny and new. If they can't keep that initial surge of new players interested, chances are, they'll never get a second chance, no matter how polished they make the game eventually. There are lots of MMOs that make for a great example of that fact.
Lastly, it's not just about me and my opinion. Or anyone's individual opinion. It's the nature of capitalism. You need to produce a product people want, or they won't buy it. In almost every market, first and foremost, consumers tend to look for products that aren't shoddy, broken, or unfinished, and fact of the matter is, most consumers aren't going to be sympathetic to excuses.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
I played some more last night. Granted I'm still somewhat low level but at this point, it just feels......foreign. It feels like an asian game. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that, it's just the feeling I get when I'm playing. I don't know if it's because of the art style, the quests (which lets be honest, are pretty dull), the private vendors or the animations. Maybe it's all those things. I'm not even comparing it to WoW, but it doesn't feel like any western game (EQ2, LotRO, WAR).
It's basically a very polished, above average asian game. I judge a game on it's gameplay, not on it's graphics or it's character creator. I gotta say so far, I'm not seeing anything spectacular about the gameplay that would warrant a purchase. But, that being said, I'm still going to play it through the OB, with the hope that it does get better later on.
1. Ofc there are exceptions to the rule - but even in science few exceptions just confirm the rule as the saying goes. I would like to see a list of such polished mmos from launch - WoW was quite a problem first weeks, AO was a disaster, all 2008 MMOs were a disaster ... there is LOTRO which was very polished. But the fact is LOTRO didn't have any single unique feature and such features normally are the problem at launch.
2.Again - name polished games. WoW was far from polished but it succeded - same goes for EQ2. Than there is another question: which MMO was a success after WoW? I know pre WoW MMO's had terrible problems at launch also.
3.I wouldn't agree with you. This came with WoWization of the genre. Daoc, eq2, etc all had terrible launch but are still around and just fine. OFC the game has to work - the case with AO was different: game simply didn't work
4.I am making a thesis which comments WoWization of MMO genre through Heidegger and Marx's understanding of modern world. Yeah, WoW is not as much the cause but rather the consequence of world changes. The only thing is that MMO's avoided that far longer than most of the genres. Now it's here and everyone with some brains left will not be sattisfied with finished polished products that are just result of stockpiling the same stupid product for years!
Ah had something else written but I realised it would take 2 much time to explain everything and just deleted it
From a technical viewpoint Aion is the shittiest AAA title I have played, like, ever actually. I have to use my laptop as a relay to be even able to log on on my desktop machine and that's just hilarious. After leaving the noob island there are also constant crashes, didn't have those with AoC, LotRO, WAR, etc. I guess I can count myself lucky for not having any issues with Gameguard.
Some in game stuff is far from "damn good" as well, like the stoneage terrain textures. While I didn't encounter many bugs, my overall beta experience so far completely invalidates the claim that Aion was some extremely polished game compared to the recent European titles. Especially considering it's been out for the better part of a year already.
LMFAO... damn kid... put your computer illiteracy on AION or their US Producer NC Soft... as opposed to blaiming yourself. Think about it, your having problems a million other people arn't hmmmm... I think it's bad programming too! Shitty AAA's
"Sometimes people say stuff they don''t mean, but more often then that they don''t say things they do mean"
Zorndorf quit your hating dude. There is enough information out there if one does their research to contridict your statement two fold. Your xfire numbers statement has already been defouled but you still spout it like the holy grail. Give it up and try another MMO or go back to the WOW forums.