well on the other hand if this is real its some gr8 news not only for the actual game but for the company behind it, NCsoft who listened to the community and instead of insist about their faulty gameguard they removed it.Anyway most of the games out there maintain bots without this kind of programs so i bet they can do it too if they dont want this game to end up like L2
My mistake. It looks like this is not the case. The problem is that from the mmodata.net website there is a link to developer posts and it only posts the developer comment and failed to post the start of thread. It seems that what he is saying is that if this was true they would have told us as a specific announcement which is what this looked like instead of a poorly phrased reply to bad information.
Some people are just so sceptical and cynical. 8-)
What you posted was not a direct link to anything, I combed the site for this "so called' news. I know some people think it's better to ask for an apology after they have done something (posting info w/o a link) than to ask for permission to do it first (posting with a link included). I like to confirm things before I commit to them. Nothing cynical about that, level-headedness yes, but cynical no.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
Well, at least when I make a mistake it's a nice big one. 8-) And I suspect I guess I could be a bit more suspicious myself. I think I may not have been the only person as the link I had read has since been deleted.
"I think we're getting these polls on a regular basis and I just want to assure you that we're *very* aware of what the majority of users here think about GameGuard. If anything can be changed or altered in regards to this, trust that we're looking into it already."
"I think we're getting these polls on a regular basis and I just want to assure you that we're *very* aware of what the majority of users here think about GameGuard. If anything can be changed or altered in regards to this, trust that we're looking into it already." www.aionsource.com/forum/aion-discussion/15960-no-gameguard-please-7.html#post427119
This sounds like nothing more than coddling to the masses, PRing for PR sakes. If anything it shows how they are quick to pawn this responsibility off to another "prevention system" rather than tackle the problem themselves. Ok now my cynical mode: This is what I do not like about a majority of Asian based MMOS, it's their inability to release and police their own products and their quickness to hand over their code to third parties for the sake of appearing to thwart botters and hackers. So if and when a wide spread outbreak does occur they can quickly blame any shortcoming on said prevention system company and say they are doing what they can as well.
Kinda like local police asking state police to come help in their neck of the woods, handing them a local map and telling them they'll meet them at the donut shop after they're done with cleaning up their streets.
Well we know who knows the streets better, so why not clean up your own mess. Most western MMO companies seem to do this themselves (or at least put up an effort).
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
Whats the big deal about gameguard? Im sure it stops some things, No security system will stop everything.
The problem is that it is so easy to bypass that it essentially stops little to no botters/hackers. What it does do is infiltrate the average players' computers and lag the machine down (at least in my case) and sometimes closes the game out for ridiculous errors. Not everyone has these problems, but many are, and many are also not even going to touch Aion, as interesting as they might find it, because it has a rootkit packaged with it (AKA ineffective GameGuard).
Whats the big deal about gameguard? Im sure it stops some things, No security system will stop everything.
The problem is that it is so easy to bypass that it essentially stops little to no botters/hackers. What it does do is infiltrate the average players' computers and lag the machine down (at least in my case) and sometimes closes the game out for ridiculous errors. Not everyone has these problems, but many are, and many are also not even going to touch Aion, as interesting as they might find it, because it has a rootkit packaged with it (AKA ineffective GameGuard).
GG is not a rootkit.
Not denying its issues, but people keep misusing the word "rootkit"
Whats the big deal about gameguard? Im sure it stops some things, No security system will stop everything.
The problem is that it is so easy to bypass that it essentially stops little to no botters/hackers. What it does do is infiltrate the average players' computers and lag the machine down (at least in my case) and sometimes closes the game out for ridiculous errors. Not everyone has these problems, but many are, and many are also not even going to touch Aion, as interesting as they might find it, because it has a rootkit packaged with it (AKA ineffective GameGuard).
GG is not a rootkit.
Not denying its issues, but people keep misusing the word "rootkit"
Gameguard hides itself when it runs, you are unable to detect it in your process manager, nor can you control what it blocks, what allows, and what it does or does not conflict with.
When it runs it basically takes control over your computer, how is this not a root kit?
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I was having the GameGuard problem of it saying "The game client or GameGuard has been modified," when I first tried to run the Open Beta. Tried it tonight a little while ago and it looks like they have made some changes to fix it. I was in the game for a while, maybe half an hour, without the GameGuard problem.
I hope they did fix it, so I can play it.
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Whats the big deal about gameguard? Im sure it stops some things, No security system will stop everything.
The problem is that it is so easy to bypass that it essentially stops little to no botters/hackers. What it does do is infiltrate the average players' computers and lag the machine down (at least in my case) and sometimes closes the game out for ridiculous errors. Not everyone has these problems, but many are, and many are also not even going to touch Aion, as interesting as they might find it, because it has a rootkit packaged with it (AKA ineffective GameGuard).
GG is not a rootkit.
Not denying its issues, but people keep misusing the word "rootkit"
Gameguard hides itself when it runs, you are unable to detect it in your process manager, nor can you control what it blocks, what allows, and what it does or does not conflict with.
When it runs it basically takes control over your computer, how is this not a root kit?
I can seem to find the program running on my PC. It doesn't "take control of my computer" either.
GG is fine as it is... dont follow all the conspiracy theories on the internet... as it acts a bit like a virus scanner, also protecting people from key theft etc. it has some compatibility issues with some AV etc.! But most of them are fixed by now and you shouldnt have problems with GG anyway.
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Just to clear this up, there was never any news related to Gameguard and Aion on my site !
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well on the other hand if this is real its some gr8 news not only for the actual game but for the company behind it, NCsoft who listened to the community and instead of insist about their faulty gameguard they removed it.Anyway most of the games out there maintain bots without this kind of programs so i bet they can do it too if they dont want this game to end up like L2
Sorry here is a link to the NCWest community manager Ayase's post which provides the broad outline but no details.
http://www.mmodata.net/
Sounds more like news you WANT to hear rather than a real report. Anything posted without providing a link is nothing short of rumors and speculation.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
Some people are just so sceptical and cynical. 8-)
im not surprised there are better solution then gameguard
even the one neo-steam mmo or ys mmo use is a better solution
or design their own solution
most like eq2 have a pre launch scan
soe as their own pre-launch scan then when your in the actual launch your files are scanned again and updated
since aion doesnt alow ofr add -on it simplifys a lot of things
if aion just used similar solution as soe and keep add-on out of the game its almost impossible to hack it an probably can be tracked fairly quick
ncsoft should call a company like norton if they really want to protect something (any big company works lol i just use norton its simpler)
I see nothing on AionSource, or AionOnline. This big of an announcement would hit there first. Not sure what the hell that site is you linked.
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My mistake. It looks like this is not the case. The problem is that from the mmodata.net website there is a link to developer posts and it only posts the developer comment and failed to post the start of thread. It seems that what he is saying is that if this was true they would have told us as a specific announcement which is what this looked like instead of a poorly phrased reply to bad information.
Sorry, looks like GameGuard is still with us.
I see nothing on that page link even remotely concerning Aion and GG...
What you posted was not a direct link to anything, I combed the site for this "so called' news. I know some people think it's better to ask for an apology after they have done something (posting info w/o a link) than to ask for permission to do it first (posting with a link included). I like to confirm things before I commit to them. Nothing cynical about that, level-headedness yes, but cynical no.
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
Bleh... Quit toying with people's feelings.
Ah well, looks like the rootkit is there to stay then.
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Well, at least when I make a mistake it's a nice big one. 8-) And I suspect I guess I could be a bit more suspicious myself. I think I may not have been the only person as the link I had read has since been deleted.
"If and when we find a better hack/cheat/bot prevention system we will use it. GameGuard will be improved or removed before launch."
www.aionsource.com/forum/aion-discussion/19354-any-confirmation-about-30.html#post806386
"I think we're getting these polls on a regular basis and I just want to assure you that we're *very* aware of what the majority of users here think about GameGuard. If anything can be changed or altered in regards to this, trust that we're looking into it already."
www.aionsource.com/forum/aion-discussion/15960-no-gameguard-please-7.html#post427119
This sounds like nothing more than coddling to the masses, PRing for PR sakes. If anything it shows how they are quick to pawn this responsibility off to another "prevention system" rather than tackle the problem themselves. Ok now my cynical mode: This is what I do not like about a majority of Asian based MMOS, it's their inability to release and police their own products and their quickness to hand over their code to third parties for the sake of appearing to thwart botters and hackers. So if and when a wide spread outbreak does occur they can quickly blame any shortcoming on said prevention system company and say they are doing what they can as well.
Kinda like local police asking state police to come help in their neck of the woods, handing them a local map and telling them they'll meet them at the donut shop after they're done with cleaning up their streets.
Well we know who knows the streets better, so why not clean up your own mess. Most western MMO companies seem to do this themselves (or at least put up an effort).
"Small minds talk about people, average minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas."
Whats the big deal about gameguard? Im sure it stops some things, No security system will stop everything.
The problem is that it is so easy to bypass that it essentially stops little to no botters/hackers. What it does do is infiltrate the average players' computers and lag the machine down (at least in my case) and sometimes closes the game out for ridiculous errors. Not everyone has these problems, but many are, and many are also not even going to touch Aion, as interesting as they might find it, because it has a rootkit packaged with it (AKA ineffective GameGuard).
The problem is that it is so easy to bypass that it essentially stops little to no botters/hackers. What it does do is infiltrate the average players' computers and lag the machine down (at least in my case) and sometimes closes the game out for ridiculous errors. Not everyone has these problems, but many are, and many are also not even going to touch Aion, as interesting as they might find it, because it has a rootkit packaged with it (AKA ineffective GameGuard).
GG is not a rootkit.
Not denying its issues, but people keep misusing the word "rootkit"
The problem is that it is so easy to bypass that it essentially stops little to no botters/hackers. What it does do is infiltrate the average players' computers and lag the machine down (at least in my case) and sometimes closes the game out for ridiculous errors. Not everyone has these problems, but many are, and many are also not even going to touch Aion, as interesting as they might find it, because it has a rootkit packaged with it (AKA ineffective GameGuard).
GG is not a rootkit.
Not denying its issues, but people keep misusing the word "rootkit"
Gameguard hides itself when it runs, you are unable to detect it in your process manager, nor can you control what it blocks, what allows, and what it does or does not conflict with.
When it runs it basically takes control over your computer, how is this not a root kit?
Quotations Those Who make peaceful resolutions impossible, make violent resolutions inevitable. John F. Kennedy
Life... is the shit that happens while you wait for moments that never come - Lester Freeman
Lie to no one. If there 's somebody close to you, you'll ruin it with a lie. If they're a stranger, who the fuck are they you gotta lie to them? - Willy Nelson
I was having the GameGuard problem of it saying "The game client or GameGuard has been modified," when I first tried to run the Open Beta. Tried it tonight a little while ago and it looks like they have made some changes to fix it. I was in the game for a while, maybe half an hour, without the GameGuard problem.
I hope they did fix it, so I can play it.
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The problem is that it is so easy to bypass that it essentially stops little to no botters/hackers. What it does do is infiltrate the average players' computers and lag the machine down (at least in my case) and sometimes closes the game out for ridiculous errors. Not everyone has these problems, but many are, and many are also not even going to touch Aion, as interesting as they might find it, because it has a rootkit packaged with it (AKA ineffective GameGuard).
GG is not a rootkit.
Not denying its issues, but people keep misusing the word "rootkit"
Gameguard hides itself when it runs, you are unable to detect it in your process manager, nor can you control what it blocks, what allows, and what it does or does not conflict with.
When it runs it basically takes control over your computer, how is this not a root kit?
I can seem to find the program running on my PC. It doesn't "take control of my computer" either.
GG is fine as it is... dont follow all the conspiracy theories on the internet... as it acts a bit like a virus scanner, also protecting people from key theft etc. it has some compatibility issues with some AV etc.! But most of them are fixed by now and you shouldnt have problems with GG anyway.
Currently playing: Archeage
Waiting for: Black Desert
Just to clear this up, there was never any news related to Gameguard and Aion on my site !
If you are interested in subscription or PCU numbers for MMORPG's, check out my site :
http://mmodata.blogspot.be/
Favorite MMORPG's : DAoC pre ToA-NF, SWG Pre CU-NGE, EVE Online