Yay someone who understands where I am coming from. I would appreciate it if your responding to my response to not quote it and then add your intergections. Its alot easier to follow if you sum up each topic of mine then post your own rhetoric to it. That way your response isnt cluttered with useless text.
User Interfaces. If you think being able to "customize" it will make a difference on the performance you obviously havent diversified your horizons and seen how other games handle User communication. The best method to date is used with Ragnarok Online. It is simply impossible to not notice people are there and terribly difficult to not chat. It is very easy in that game to just talk non-stop for hours due to how its communication system is set up. EQ2 still uses the classic 1 chat box communication system which doesnt fully extentuate socialization. From what I have heard about the game and seen on official websites, partying passed level 40 is almost a necessity to not fall into a large hunting grind. Simply how the UI was set up makes that hard to do.
I am basing the graphics to the screenshots on official sites and movies released by SOE on in-game data. I am saying that those graphics require a much higher performance system to get almost the same results as a game made in korea; which has much lower system requirements do to the time they spent properly texturing the models.
I also find that they didnt progress far from original mmorpg conventions or even try anything never done before. One thing you should expect from a sequal is to see something different, and some growth in gameplay which didnt seem to happen.
Remember, games are suppose to be fun by nature. The level grind is not fun. It is possible with a better design to make it hard to level without enforces a level grind. Making a game with a level grind is just lazy design, and encourages the use of automated leveling programs.
Originally posted by Cleffy EQ2 still uses the classic 1 chat box communication system which doesnt fully extentuate socialization.
False. I don't think half you people can find your ass without a map and a flashlight. Hell it's false about EQ1 also ... you probably played that for years without discovering it. Your complaint about CS is probably that they wouldn't send a tutor to your house to show you how to make and set up a frickin chat box ... and have him pick up Burger King for you on the way over. Ain't worth even responding to the rest.
Try the game. I have only one warning. A one hour session turns into a 4 hour session without you even knowing it happened. What, it can't be 3 in the morning already!!! The only other problem I am having is deciding which toon to stick with. I like them all too much to pick one.
The better your computer the better the game is so you should consider that as well, but if you have a low end and play, you will eventually upgrade and then be amazed at the graphics you were missing.
Look me up if you decide to try.
Actus, Badge, Corpus, Expost, etc.....LOL......all on Innothule
Originally posted by Cleffy It seems I didnt make my posts on this forum impactful enough. Allow me to further explain my reasoning. The only 4 mmo's I would ever consider playing are Worlds of Warcraft, Eve Online, Ragnarok online, and Planetside. Just because I would consider playing them doesnt mean I dont think they suck; cause granted they do. I'm just saying they dont suck enough for me to never want to touch the game. Allow me to Clarify why I would never ever touch EQ2.
*Customer Support. I know from playing EQ2 the support I can expect from SoE, and if I am stuck, then I dont want to have to wait 2 days to get free again. I can also give examples of poor SoE customer support.
But you said you will never buy EQ2 so how could you say"i know from playing EQ2 the support i can expect from SoE".
Though you said you never buy it or is this one of those tales "i went to a friends house ,he let me play EQ2 and immediately i logged in i entered a wall and sat in his house for days till i got a reply " or what
You clearly make 2 statements that don't match up .
*I would have to upgrade my computer. This is another thing that I dont like about the game, you cannot play it unless you have an up to date computer. I cant believe ou guys bashed the guy with 256 mb ramm. That was the average computer last year; not to mention the GeForce 4 MX line is not supported which also was a typical installation. The cost to upgrade would be atleast $200 for one game. Considering the result of which isnt all that impressive I would rather not.
MMORPG are becoming some of the most demanding games for computers to run anymore. It is true this can be mitigated and still give great graphics, but if someone is running with 256 mb and a Geforce 4 MX card they should upgrade even if they are not playing an mmorpg. Even games that are not mmorpg coming out require 1-1.5 gig, 512 mb ram, and a graphics card capable of direct x9.0. It amazes me, espically for how cheap computers are, that people are still running around with 256 mb ram and a 1 gig computer, but I guess it happens.
Geforce MX line sucks. If you make a big purchase like a computer you need to do some research. The only excuse for having such a card would be that it was a gift. Maybe this is all Dell's fault? Anyway if you really want to play mmorpgs you need to have at least a decent computer. People with specs incapable of playing EQ2 really ought to upgrade because in a year or two they won't be able to run much at all. In order to have a decent gaming maching for trhe next 3 years one will need 2 gig cpu, 1 gig ram, 128 mb vid card that is fully 9.0 complient. A vid card that is decent enough, but which I would not recomened, is only around $80 and will allow you to play good looking games for the next couple of years.
I guess your first point is were we differ in playing a game. I'm proud of my characters from day one. I don't have to be level 297 with a +750 Flaming Insta-Kill Anything sword to feel good about my character. I was looking at my level 6 Scout with his Tin rapier thinking: This dude is awesome.
Typically I would agree that SOE (and it is S O E not SoE, Sony Online Entertainment, not Sony of Entertainment) has terrible Customer Service, but you say that you would play WoW, and their CS has been considerably worse, up to and including denying there is even a problem before enough people gripe about it .
Again you are knocking EQ2's graphics while saying you like Ragnarok online. I'm forced to ask: Are you playing Ragnarok with your eyes open? I don't know a reasonable person around that can say EQ2's graphics aren't impressive. It's just not true. You won't find a single review by a credible source that says the graphics are sub par. This is just people who feel the need to tear something down so they can feel better about their own game. I don't care if EQ2 is the absolute worst game you've ever played in your life, to say the graphics aren't any good is just a bold faced like.
As far as upgrading: If you are running WinXP on less the 512 you need to upgrade anyway. My graphics card is 2 years old and I run EQ2 just fine. Sure I can't turn everything all the way up but it still looks great.
The user interface is totally customizable (there is even a thread: Post your custom UI). If you want 6 chat channels have 6 windows with 6 different channles. I use 2 One for all my chat and the other for combat stuff. If I want to join the side chats channles (like crafting channel or the bard channel) I thorw up a third window. There is also a toggle switch that you turn on that changes your status to LFG, so everyone that sees you will know you're looking for a group. There is a search feature that has tons of parameters Looking for a level 43 Half-Elven Cleric? Just open the search and you can see if there is one in your zone.
If you don't explore and just take the quests that are handed to you, you're probably right, they aren't that compelling. But if you take the time to actually look around you explore things. I mean I had one quest where I had to interview 3 people that all witnessed some magical event. I had to take the three people with three different stories and figure out what really happened. That was awesome. I'm on a quest now where I have to find Temples for the True Song of Magic. I have no idea where to start or what will happen when I find them, but I'm excited as all get out about it, even though I KNOW it will be a long time before I figure it out (the book I found the quest in talked about some high level zones). There are quests everywhere, some you just have to search for.
After all this though, I'm very confused. Everything you've mentioned is worse in World of Warcraft, yet you'd consider playing that. The quests are much less involving and totally go get this or kill that, I've never found anything other than that. The graphics are much more dated. The UI isn't customizable at all. So what makes you want to play WoW over EQ2? None of the reasons you give (except PvP and EQ2 does take longer to level up) make sense.
I think I gave you too much credit, I was hoping for an intelligent debat but I think what it all boils down here is you just wanted to bash EQ2, please prove me wrong.
eqii is SLOOW as molasses. 2.8ghz 512mb 256 mb video.the cities seem cluttered.i am real sick of the check it does EVERY time you log on. the little island is lame at best.frankly compared to eq it sucks.
the zone time is lousy, there is NOTHING speedy about the game.
Why do the same people always get wrapped up in these useless debates? You are like pigs at the trough of conflict! You've got a hankering for a good argument and it's lunchtime!
It's also weird how the original poster never comes back to check up on the answers to his/her question. Maybe because the thread got derailed and is now in another county!
Originally posted by firemagic Trust me, this is definitely not the right place to ask if EQ2's any good. These degenerate mouthbreathers guard this forum like pitbulls, and will strike with rabid venom the moment their precious game comes under criticism. My advice is to try the game out for yourself, but you'll probably find you don't fall within the confused minority of people who need to play a vastly inferior game just to feel like they're in some way "special" or "different" or... LMAO... "hardcore".
Originally posted by Elandrial games played eq,ffxi,coh,doac,eqii and wow eqii is SLOOW as molasses. 2.8ghz 512mb 256 mb video.the cities seem cluttered.i am real sick of the check it does EVERY time you log on. the little island is lame at best.frankly compared to eq it sucks. the zone time is lousy, there is NOTHING speedy about the game.
Yeap EQ2 is a rich man's game, if you got a welfare rig forget this game as you will not enjoy it. But if you have a good machine its highly recommended.
oh so you consider a 2.8ghz machine welfare and a 256 mb welfare. you know what my real problem with eq2 and it started with eq. the nickle and dime effect.which SOE has adopted.eq at the end had allthose worthless expansions.now eq2 youhave oh for 99 cents you can get this and that and for 8 buck you can now have 8 characters instead of 4.so now instead of the 15 bucks a month you can very easily be up to 25 a month.and you can bet you bottom dollar they will have useless expansions .i am still on my free month and yes the graphics are great but you know what a game with great graphics and little substance still sucks and you notice one thing in allthe post saying how great they say well it has great graphics but little about the content of the game.
Originally posted by hercules Originally posted by firemagic Trust me, this is definitely not the right place to ask if EQ2's any good. These degenerate mouthbreathers guard this forum like pitbulls, and will strike with rabid venom the moment their precious game comes under criticism. My advice is to try the game out for yourself, but you'll probably find you don't fall within the confused minority of people who need to play a vastly inferior game just to feel like they're in some way "special" or "different" or... LMAO... "hardcore".Hah coming from you thats a laugh.
Did I miss something or aren't the enlightened majority playing lineage with over 2 million acounts ?
So everyone cancel all your game subs and move to lineage I mean it must be the best mmorpg ever for everyone since its old and still commands the leading numbers.
Hahaha, VERY good one herc
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- Scaris
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Yay someone who understands where I am coming from. I would appreciate it if your responding to my response to not quote it and then add your intergections. Its alot easier to follow if you sum up each topic of mine then post your own rhetoric to it. That way your response isnt cluttered with useless text.
User Interfaces. If you think being able to "customize" it will make a difference on the performance you obviously havent diversified your horizons and seen how other games handle User communication. The best method to date is used with Ragnarok Online. It is simply impossible to not notice people are there and terribly difficult to not chat. It is very easy in that game to just talk non-stop for hours due to how its communication system is set up. EQ2 still uses the classic 1 chat box communication system which doesnt fully extentuate socialization. From what I have heard about the game and seen on official websites, partying passed level 40 is almost a necessity to not fall into a large hunting grind. Simply how the UI was set up makes that hard to do.
I am basing the graphics to the screenshots on official sites and movies released by SOE on in-game data. I am saying that those graphics require a much higher performance system to get almost the same results as a game made in korea; which has much lower system requirements do to the time they spent properly texturing the models.
I also find that they didnt progress far from original mmorpg conventions or even try anything never done before. One thing you should expect from a sequal is to see something different, and some growth in gameplay which didnt seem to happen.
Remember, games are suppose to be fun by nature. The level grind is not fun. It is possible with a better design to make it hard to level without enforces a level grind. Making a game with a level grind is just lazy design, and encourages the use of automated leveling programs.
Try the game. I have only one warning. A one hour session turns into a 4 hour session without you even knowing it happened. What, it can't be 3 in the morning already!!! The only other problem I am having is deciding which toon to stick with. I like them all too much to pick one.
The better your computer the better the game is so you should consider that as well, but if you have a low end and play, you will eventually upgrade and then be amazed at the graphics you were missing.
Look me up if you decide to try.
Actus, Badge, Corpus, Expost, etc.....LOL......all on Innothule
But you said you will never buy EQ2 so how could you say"i know from playing EQ2 the support i can expect from SoE".
Though you said you never buy it or is this one of those tales "i went to a friends house ,he let me play EQ2 and immediately i logged in i entered a wall and sat in his house for days till i got a reply " or what
You clearly make 2 statements that don't match up .
MMORPG are becoming some of the most demanding games for computers to run anymore. It is true this can be mitigated and still give great graphics, but if someone is running with 256 mb and a Geforce 4 MX card they should upgrade even if they are not playing an mmorpg. Even games that are not mmorpg coming out require 1-1.5 gig, 512 mb ram, and a graphics card capable of direct x9.0. It amazes me, espically for how cheap computers are, that people are still running around with 256 mb ram and a 1 gig computer, but I guess it happens.
Geforce MX line sucks. If you make a big purchase like a computer you need to do some research. The only excuse for having such a card would be that it was a gift. Maybe this is all Dell's fault? Anyway if you really want to play mmorpgs you need to have at least a decent computer. People with specs incapable of playing EQ2 really ought to upgrade because in a year or two they won't be able to run much at all. In order to have a decent gaming maching for trhe next 3 years one will need 2 gig cpu, 1 gig ram, 128 mb vid card that is fully 9.0 complient. A vid card that is decent enough, but which I would not recomened, is only around $80 and will allow you to play good looking games for the next couple of years.
I guess your first point is were we differ in playing a game. I'm proud of my characters from day one. I don't have to be level 297 with a +750 Flaming Insta-Kill Anything sword to feel good about my character. I was looking at my level 6 Scout with his Tin rapier thinking: This dude is awesome.
Typically I would agree that SOE (and it is S O E not SoE, Sony Online Entertainment, not Sony of Entertainment) has terrible Customer Service, but you say that you would play WoW, and their CS has been considerably worse, up to and including denying there is even a problem before enough people gripe about it .
Again you are knocking EQ2's graphics while saying you like Ragnarok online. I'm forced to ask: Are you playing Ragnarok with your eyes open? I don't know a reasonable person around that can say EQ2's graphics aren't impressive. It's just not true. You won't find a single review by a credible source that says the graphics are sub par. This is just people who feel the need to tear something down so they can feel better about their own game. I don't care if EQ2 is the absolute worst game you've ever played in your life, to say the graphics aren't any good is just a bold faced like.
As far as upgrading: If you are running WinXP on less the 512 you need to upgrade anyway. My graphics card is 2 years old and I run EQ2 just fine. Sure I can't turn everything all the way up but it still looks great.
The user interface is totally customizable (there is even a thread: Post your custom UI). If you want 6 chat channels have 6 windows with 6 different channles. I use 2 One for all my chat and the other for combat stuff. If I want to join the side chats channles (like crafting channel or the bard channel) I thorw up a third window. There is also a toggle switch that you turn on that changes your status to LFG, so everyone that sees you will know you're looking for a group. There is a search feature that has tons of parameters Looking for a level 43 Half-Elven Cleric? Just open the search and you can see if there is one in your zone.
If you don't explore and just take the quests that are handed to you, you're probably right, they aren't that compelling. But if you take the time to actually look around you explore things. I mean I had one quest where I had to interview 3 people that all witnessed some magical event. I had to take the three people with three different stories and figure out what really happened. That was awesome. I'm on a quest now where I have to find Temples for the True Song of Magic. I have no idea where to start or what will happen when I find them, but I'm excited as all get out about it, even though I KNOW it will be a long time before I figure it out (the book I found the quest in talked about some high level zones). There are quests everywhere, some you just have to search for.
After all this though, I'm very confused. Everything you've mentioned is worse in World of Warcraft, yet you'd consider playing that. The quests are much less involving and totally go get this or kill that, I've never found anything other than that. The graphics are much more dated. The UI isn't customizable at all. So what makes you want to play WoW over EQ2? None of the reasons you give (except PvP and EQ2 does take longer to level up) make sense.
I think I gave you too much credit, I was hoping for an intelligent debat but I think what it all boils down here is you just wanted to bash EQ2, please prove me wrong.
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eqii is SLOOW as molasses. 2.8ghz 512mb 256 mb video.the cities seem cluttered.i am real sick of the check it does EVERY time you log on. the little island is lame at best.frankly compared to eq it sucks.
the zone time is lousy, there is NOTHING speedy about the game.
Why do the same people always get wrapped up in these useless debates? You are like pigs at the trough of conflict! You've got a hankering for a good argument and it's lunchtime!
It's also weird how the original poster never comes back to check up on the answers to his/her question. Maybe because the thread got derailed and is now in another county!
You sound like the people you are flaming. WTG
Yeap EQ2 is a rich man's game, if you got a welfare rig forget this game as you will not enjoy it. But if you have a good machine its highly recommended.
oh so you consider a 2.8ghz machine welfare and a 256 mb welfare.
you know what my real problem with eq2 and it started with eq. the nickle and dime effect.which SOE has adopted.eq at the end had allthose worthless expansions.now eq2 youhave oh for 99 cents you can get this and that and for 8 buck you can now have 8 characters instead of 4.so now instead of the 15 bucks a month you can very easily be up to 25 a month.and you can bet you bottom dollar they will have useless expansions .i am still on my free month and yes the graphics are great but you know what a game with great graphics and little substance still sucks and you notice one thing in allthe post saying how great they say well it has great graphics but little about the content of the game.
Hahaha, VERY good one herc
- Fadeus Hawkwood
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World