Sheesh. I mean, sheesh. Suddenly, I feel like I've slipped into an episode of "Tales of a Parrellel Universe" back when it was still a series of movies... and a wise woman was shouting "this has all happened before and will happen again!!!"
Look, heard this before SWG launched. Heard this before CoH launched. Vanguard. CO. EQ2, too. Requim. SGW. Fark, only MMO I haven't heard this type of line was WoW... and I hated the fact I couldn't poke npcs and get the "stop poking meeeeee!' squeel from Orcs. Well, that and a horde member with purple armor. *shudder*
Even with the plethora of information that has come out, there is no way (zero) to really know how the game will shake down. I've seen games completely mutate after/during beta... and massive changes just between a beta 3 and beta 4 closed series. Wait until peeps have actually PLAYED a game, before passing judgements on how it plays. Otherwise, well... you are just firing blind to the good or ill.
Sheesh. Sheesh. I mean, sheesh. Suddenly, I feel like I've slipped into an episode of "Tales of a Parrellel Universe" back when it was still a series of movies... and a wise woman was shouting "this has all happened before and will happen again!!!" Look, heard this before SWG launched. Heard this before CoH launched. Vanguard. CO. EQ2, too. Requim. SGW. Fark, only MMO I haven't heard this type of line was WoW... and I hated the fact I couldn't poke npcs and get the "stop poking meeeeee!' squeel from Orcs. Well, that and a horde member with purple armor. *shudder* Even with the plethora of information that has come out, there is no way (zero) to really know how the game will shake down. I've seen games completely mutate after/during beta... and massive changes just between a beta 3 and beta 4 closed series. Wait until peeps have actually PLAYED a game, before passing judgements on how it plays. Otherwise, well... you are just firing blind to the good or ill.
No.
We have some information, provided by the devs themselves. When (IF) the information changes, I will re-evaluate.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
So those handful of you who are not looking forward to STO because its not EXACTLY the game you want? Either go play something else, or make your own game - but dont presume to say that you know what "Star Trek Fans" as a whole group want, because you are in the minority and you are wrong.
No, I'm not. How much did Cryptic pay you? You're a gaming site, not a Trek site. Your few thousand fans are a small minority of ST fandom. You are the minority.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Sheesh. Sheesh. I mean, sheesh. Suddenly, I feel like I've slipped into an episode of "Tales of a Parrellel Universe" back when it was still a series of movies... and a wise woman was shouting "this has all happened before and will happen again!!!" Look, heard this before SWG launched. Heard this before CoH launched. Vanguard. CO. EQ2, too. Requim. SGW. Fark, only MMO I haven't heard this type of line was WoW... and I hated the fact I couldn't poke npcs and get the "stop poking meeeeee!' squeel from Orcs. Well, that and a horde member with purple armor. *shudder* Even with the plethora of information that has come out, there is no way (zero) to really know how the game will shake down. I've seen games completely mutate after/during beta... and massive changes just between a beta 3 and beta 4 closed series. Wait until peeps have actually PLAYED a game, before passing judgements on how it plays. Otherwise, well... you are just firing blind to the good or ill.
No.
We have some information, provided by the devs themselves. When (IF) the information changes, I will re-evaluate.
I know these devs. Other than Jack, they are fairly open minded. Honestly, I'd rather see and experience the game, before I go about bashing it; who knows?
I hated the concept of Vanguard in a lot of ways... but the Diplomacy snagged me. Throughly snagged me; Aruspex/LinearCore/DoomCookie's mini-game defined an MMO for me (I still log in and moderate over on vgtact.com, in fact). If SOE had kept that trinity together and working on the sphere, I doubt I'd have ever left the game. (not to say Jansan's not doing an awesome job; he is. He just needs more support/devs).
All I am saying is this: even with what we know now, the stage is still open. Betas and games change with development... STO, well, just LOOK at the history with this one. It's been rebooted so many times, I half expect to see a windows logo somewhere on one of the bridge monitors (with a Cryptic logo smacking it around with a club).
Time answers many questions; I just suggest we see what occurs in time. I'm never opposed to any MMO, until I try it, myself.
I am owner of Hailing Frequency, so I just wanna say thanks to Troy for posting up our content! Errr - You folks here that are poo-pooing Star Trek Online, saying that -"this is not the game that Star Trek folks want" - I just wanna take a moment to say, that as a guy who is in touch with the day to day workings of Star Trek Gaming - you are wrong. I have 2400 members of my forum who are all dedicated Star Trek Gamers and are all looking forward to Star Trek Online. We have over 40,000 listeners to our Star Trek Gaming Podcast every month, 95% of which are hard core trek fans and 87% of which are looking forward to STO (according to recent surveys). So those handful of you who are not looking forward to STO because its not EXACTLY the game you want? Either go play something else, or make your own game - but dont presume to say that you know what "Star Trek Fans" as a whole group want, because you are in the minority and you are wrong. Anyway - Thanks once again to Troy for posting up our stuff, if you folks want more STO PAX Goodie - check out this 8 minute GAMEPLAY video we took and this 20 minute interview we did with Craig Zinkevich when we had lunch with him www.youtube.com/watch www.youtube.com/watch
Would Shatner (money aside) endorse this game over WOW?
Would Rod Roddenberry agree "OK" this as Star Trek?
How come I have the feeling that, and this is just my assumption, by the way the posts are going, none of you know what a "genuine Star Trek Experience" is?
I am not saying Cryptics take is a good one, I just see it spewed over and over again. What do you expect the universe, or more importantly, the gameplay, to be like? I enjoyed the series, and I like the last movie a lot (which "isn't" Star Trek) to a lot of people. Well what the hell is Star Trek? Because if I just pin it to the older series, or even some of the books, there is no way in hell I want to play any adaptation of that. They were great stories, that in my opinion, suck as any sort of playable media. The combat was always boring as hell in the movies/series, because that wasn't what it was about.
Every time I listen to Trekky fans argue, they all have severely different opinions on what canon/series they enjoyed the best and why. How is anyone going to please them with a game adaptation from who-knows-where inspiration.
I think it'll be a neat game. Screw what I know about Star Trek, or don't know, which is a lot more, if the fun factor is there, I couldn't give a rat's ass how true to "Star Trek" it is. It's Cryptic's Star Trek. It'll never be any one elses.
I don't consider myself a Treky or Trekkie or w/e.... I am a fan of the series. And my concern is less with the Star Trek feel, because Cryptic I am sure will nail that on the head. And more concerned with the balance and game play mechanics of STO. I betaed CO and was on the forums shouting that they needed to make the game harder. I could lvl to 30 (the cap is 40) easily without dieing. There was no challenge to it... now it seems that they figured that out on launch day and reblanced it, but the fact that they didn't listen to (not just me) a lot fo their testers that were saying the exact same thing really concerns me. The game needs to have a challenge or it becomes tedious. Simple to play, difficult to master. I think in the end STO will be a well built game, no not everyone will like it, and that is to be expected.
I am owner of Hailing Frequency, so I just wanna say thanks to Troy for posting up our content! Errr - You folks here that are poo-pooing Star Trek Online, saying that -"this is not the game that Star Trek folks want" - I just wanna take a moment to say, that as a guy who is in touch with the day to day workings of Star Trek Gaming - you are wrong. I have 2400 members of my forum who are all dedicated Star Trek Gamers and are all looking forward to Star Trek Online. We have over 40,000 listeners to our Star Trek Gaming Podcast every month, 95% of which are hard core trek fans and 87% of which are looking forward to STO (according to recent surveys). So those handful of you who are not looking forward to STO because its not EXACTLY the game you want? Either go play something else, or make your own game - but dont presume to say that you know what "Star Trek Fans" as a whole group want, because you are in the minority and you are wrong. Anyway - Thanks once again to Troy for posting up our stuff, if you folks want more STO PAX Goodie - check out this 8 minute GAMEPLAY video we took and this 20 minute interview we did with Craig Zinkevich when we had lunch with him www.youtube.com/watch www.youtube.com/watch
Was happy to do it Zach.
Star Trek Online Correspondent MMORPG.com
"I don't fear failure. I only fear the slowing up of the engine inside of me which is saying, "Keep going, someone must be on top, why not you?" -Patton
Ahh, the plaintive cry of the fanboi: You can't discuss our game! Go Away!
Look, discussing the good and bad of the game, ESPECIALLY during its dev cycle is precisely what these forums are about. Besides as admitted "dedicated Star Trek gamers" that are "all looking forward to" STO, not only can your opinion be discounted because its silly to think a game you know so little about is going to be so good, and that everyone who doesn't agree is wrong, but also being so admittedly biased, you prove MMO_Doubter's idea that the IP is being used as a lure.
I am not in any way saying that you cannot discuss Star Trek Online. What I am saying is that certain people need to accept that the game is going to be a certain way and that in turn, those people are not going to like Star Trek Online. You also need to accept that you folks are a minority and that therefore, Star Trek Online might not be the game for you.
THAT SAID - If you have played other Star Trek Games, such as Bridge Commander, Klingon Academy, Armada 1 and 2, Starfleet Command, etc - then having played Star Trek Online and having independantly interviewed Cryptic five times about Star Trek Online- I can say with 100% certainty that Star Trek Online is going to be a much better Star Trek Gaming EXPERIENCE than any of those other Trek games, which have been good, but have left holes of dissatisfaction in the hardcore Trek Fans.
You might think I am biased, running a site that deals specifically with Star Trek Gaming, however this is not the case. I have been very quick to "slam" poor trek gaming experiences in the past, Star Trek Legacy for one, so if you think for a moment that I am a "fanboi" who is going to accept anything that comes my way, then you are wrong sir.
In conclusion.....
[quote]not only can your opinion be discounted because its silly to think a game you know so little about is going to be so good[/quote]
Originally posted by MMO_DoubterNo, I'm not. How much did Cryptic pay you? You're a gaming site, not a Trek site. Your few thousand fans are a small minority of ST fandom. You are the minority.
I run a STAR TREK GAMING website - which i believe makes us both a "Star Trek" website and a "Gaming" website.
My website is visited by over 100,000 people per month (unique) and my podcast gets tens of thousands of downloads. I and the people I represent, are not a minority.
I am owner of Hailing Frequency, so I just wanna say thanks to Troy for posting up our content! Errr - You folks here that are poo-pooing Star Trek Online, saying that -"this is not the game that Star Trek folks want" - I just wanna take a moment to say, that as a guy who is in touch with the day to day workings of Star Trek Gaming - you are wrong. I have 2400 members of my forum who are all dedicated Star Trek Gamers and are all looking forward to Star Trek Online. We have over 40,000 listeners to our Star Trek Gaming Podcast every month, 95% of which are hard core trek fans and 87% of which are looking forward to STO (according to recent surveys). So those handful of you who are not looking forward to STO because its not EXACTLY the game you want? Either go play something else, or make your own game - but dont presume to say that you know what "Star Trek Fans" as a whole group want, because you are in the minority and you are wrong. Anyway - Thanks once again to Troy for posting up our stuff, if you folks want more STO PAX Goodie - check out this 8 minute GAMEPLAY video we took and this 20 minute interview we did with Craig Zinkevich when we had lunch with him www.youtube.com/watch www.youtube.com/watch
I am sure they like the IDEA of STO, but I do not think hey will enjoy EnB with a trek skin. This is the third go at this format, the other two were stillborn due to interest, and push back from Startrek fans.
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"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
Originally posted by MMO_DoubterNo, I'm not. How much did Cryptic pay you? You're a gaming site, not a Trek site. Your few thousand fans are a small minority of ST fandom. You are the minority.
I run a STAR TREK GAMING website - which i believe makes us both a "Star Trek" website and a "Gaming" website.
My website is visited by over 100,000 people per month (unique) and my podcast gets tens of thousands of downloads. I and the people I represent, are not a minority.
Actually I listen to your show and I like it. I also don't agree with some of the elements of the game, especially the outside view of ships.
If I wanted to be my ship, i would go play Eve Online. I'm sorry, thats just not Trek to me. If it is for other people, well more power to you.
Now if I feel that way I'm sure some of your other dedicated listeners do as well.
We've all seen how games are defended hard before release and those whom defended it are normally first to jump ship. No one wants the game to fail.
Someone asked what would you like to see. I'd like to see Equal parts, a well made linear game mixed with a sandbox game. I want to live in the Star Trek universe, versus playing a Star Trek game.
If that makes since to people.
"It is better to die on one's feet than to live on one's knees,"
Originally posted by MMO_DoubterNo, I'm not. How much did Cryptic pay you? You're a gaming site, not a Trek site. Your few thousand fans are a small minority of ST fandom. You are the minority.
I run a STAR TREK GAMING website - which i believe makes us both a "Star Trek" website and a "Gaming" website.
My website is visited by over 100,000 people per month (unique) and my podcast gets tens of thousands of downloads. I and the people I represent, are not a minority.
In terms of the number of Trek fans there are, yeah, you are.
When the head dev said everyone wants to be the captain, what was your reaction? Mine was that he doesn't know shit about Star Trek fans.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
In terms of the number of Trek fans there are, yeah, you are. When the head dev said everyone wants to be the captain, what was your reaction? Mine was that he doesn't know shit about Star Trek fans.
My initial reaction was that I didnt like being "told" what I wanted to be and that given the choice, I would likely have ALTs in different positions, engineering, tactical etc, HOWEVER, once I thought about it, I started to realise that for the most part, people do want to be captain and that even though I might not be able to follow my desires of having multiple characters in multiple professions, that being a CAPTAIN is definetly something I wanted to be and that I would therefore, give it its fair chance.
So did I like it? Not completely.
One thing I want to stress to folks here, is that when Perpetual Entertainment went bust at the end of 2007/begining of 2008 - CBS/Paramount went in to various game development companies and said - "we still want a Star Trek MMO, but we need it by the following date".
The 2010 release date for Star Trek Online is not something that has been set by Cryptic, its something that has been set by CBS / Paramount as a condition for making the game. Because of that, Cryptic were faced with a choice - either put everything in that they could possibly want at launch, but do a less than a half assed job (too much to do, to little time = mistakes and low quality right?)......or put in only SOME of what is wanted at launch but make that content of the highest possible quality and expand on it later.
Would I want to have been in that position, to decide what to put in now and what to put in later? No way - because no matter what you do at launch, not everyone is going to be happy.
However, down the line, we ARE going to get Playable Ship Interiors, we are going to get more factions and we are going to get more professions and who knows what else, but for now, Cryptic have been working to a very difficult release date imposed by CBS/Paramount and they are doing thier best.
Until I have had more than a 15 minute oppurtunity to play the game, I dont know for sure if its going to be good or not, but I do know that the 15 minutes I have played was freakin awesome and the screenshots, images and videos that I have seen, look pretty damn amazing. I also know that STO was the BUZZ of PAX and that everyone was talking about how great it was.
This is cryptic we are talking about here. They never had any intention to do anything but standard DIKU MMO game-play...In space.
They could have all the time in the world, it would still be DIKU MMO...In space.
Third time is the charm though, right?
As far as PAX, thts a gaming convention right, not a Star trek one? Of course they received it well, its a DIKU MMO...In space.
Loot 10 tribbles. Phaser +5 to Trills.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
My initial reaction was that I didnt like being "told" what I wanted to be and that given the choice, I would likely have ALTs in different positions, engineering, tactical etc, HOWEVER, once I thought about it, I started to realise that for the most part, people do want to be captain and that even though I might not be able to follow my desires of having multiple characters in multiple professions, that being a CAPTAIN is definetly something I wanted to be and that I would therefore, give it its fair chance. So did I like it? Not completely. One thing I want to stress to folks here, is that when Perpetual Entertainment went bust at the end of 2007/begining of 2008 - CBS/Paramount went in to various game development companies and said - "we still want a Star Trek MMO, but we need it by the following date". The 2010 release date for Star Trek Online is not something that has been set by Cryptic, its something that has been set by CBS / Paramount as a condition for making the game. Because of that, Cryptic were faced with a choice - either put everything in that they could possibly want at launch, but do a less than a half assed job (too much to do, to little time = mistakes and low quality right?)......or put in only SOME of what is wanted at launch but make that content of the highest possible quality and expand on it later. Would I want to have been in that position, to decide what to put in now and what to put in later? No way - because no matter what you do at launch, not everyone is going to be happy. However, down the line, we ARE going to get Playable Ship Interiors, we are going to get more factions and we are going to get more professions and who knows what else, but for now, Cryptic have been working to a very difficult release date imposed by CBS/Paramount and they are doing thier best. Until I have had more than a 15 minute oppurtunity to play the game, I dont know for sure if its going to be good or not, but I do know that the 15 minutes I have played was freakin awesome and the screenshots, images and videos that I have seen, look pretty damn amazing. I also know that STO was the BUZZ of PAX and that everyone was talking about how great it was. So we will all see I guess.
You are doing a fine job of providing PR for the game. Cryptic could have written that.
Most Trek fans would rather be McCoy, or Spock, or Uhura, or Data, or <insert Trek crewmember here> than Kirk, Picard, or Janeway.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
My initial reaction was that I didnt like being "told" what I wanted to be and that given the choice, I would likely have ALTs in different positions, engineering, tactical etc, HOWEVER, once I thought about it, I started to realise that for the most part, people do want to be captain and that even though I might not be able to follow my desires of having multiple characters in multiple professions, that being a CAPTAIN is definetly something I wanted to be and that I would therefore, give it its fair chance. So did I like it? Not completely. One thing I want to stress to folks here, is that when Perpetual Entertainment went bust at the end of 2007/begining of 2008 - CBS/Paramount went in to various game development companies and said - "we still want a Star Trek MMO, but we need it by the following date". The 2010 release date for Star Trek Online is not something that has been set by Cryptic, its something that has been set by CBS / Paramount as a condition for making the game. Because of that, Cryptic were faced with a choice - either put everything in that they could possibly want at launch, but do a less than a half assed job (too much to do, to little time = mistakes and low quality right?)......or put in only SOME of what is wanted at launch but make that content of the highest possible quality and expand on it later. Would I want to have been in that position, to decide what to put in now and what to put in later? No way - because no matter what you do at launch, not everyone is going to be happy. However, down the line, we ARE going to get Playable Ship Interiors, we are going to get more factions and we are going to get more professions and who knows what else, but for now, Cryptic have been working to a very difficult release date imposed by CBS/Paramount and they are doing thier best. Until I have had more than a 15 minute oppurtunity to play the game, I dont know for sure if its going to be good or not, but I do know that the 15 minutes I have played was freakin awesome and the screenshots, images and videos that I have seen, look pretty damn amazing. I also know that STO was the BUZZ of PAX and that everyone was talking about how great it was. So we will all see I guess.
You are doing a fine job of providing PR for the game. Cryptic could have written that.
Most Trek fans would rather be McCoy, or Spock, or Uhura, or Data, or <insert Trek crewmember here> than Kirk, Picard, or Janeway.
OK zach21uk,
Can you address whether they will consider adding in future expansions other Star Trek roles such as dedicated Doctors, Engineers or Scientists? In the make or break launch era of MMO's will the fans enjoy such delays? I have had some bad experiances with Star Trek games not meeting expectations. I look forward to your opinion proving STO to be the exception, if true.
I am quite aware of Paramounts demands on past endevors and can see what you discribe. Thank you for that.
One thing I want to stress to folks here, is that when Perpetual Entertainment went bust at the end of 2007/begining of 2008 - CBS/Paramount went in to various game development companies and said - "we still want a Star Trek MMO, but we need it by the following date".
However, down the line, we ARE going to get Playable Ship Interiors, we are going to get more factions and we are going to get more professions and who knows what else, but for now, Cryptic have been working to a very difficult release date imposed by CBS/Paramount and they are doing thier best.
I don't think it matters who is at fault. A half ass job is a half ass job. True that they ''might'' dangle the carrot and promise playable ships later but MMO players are hard to get back once you lose them. If you don't get it right at launch then why bother? Players of late are a lot less forgiving.
This is not to say Trek won't be a good game. But will it be Trek?
I for one don't want to start off as captain. If I were to become one I would like to actually earn it through missions or what have you. I want to be ''on'' the Enterprise, not ''BE'' the enterprise. Its elements like that that are going to send most people running if they bother with it at all.
I will do the game a favor and stay away until things are done right if it last that long.
"It is better to die on one's feet than to live on one's knees,"
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Sheesh.
Sheesh. I mean, sheesh. Suddenly, I feel like I've slipped into an episode of "Tales of a Parrellel Universe" back when it was still a series of movies... and a wise woman was shouting "this has all happened before and will happen again!!!"
Look, heard this before SWG launched. Heard this before CoH launched. Vanguard. CO. EQ2, too. Requim. SGW. Fark, only MMO I haven't heard this type of line was WoW... and I hated the fact I couldn't poke npcs and get the "stop poking meeeeee!' squeel from Orcs. Well, that and a horde member with purple armor. *shudder*
Even with the plethora of information that has come out, there is no way (zero) to really know how the game will shake down. I've seen games completely mutate after/during beta... and massive changes just between a beta 3 and beta 4 closed series. Wait until peeps have actually PLAYED a game, before passing judgements on how it plays. Otherwise, well... you are just firing blind to the good or ill.
No.
We have some information, provided by the devs themselves. When (IF) the information changes, I will re-evaluate.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
No, I'm not. How much did Cryptic pay you? You're a gaming site, not a Trek site. Your few thousand fans are a small minority of ST fandom. You are the minority.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
No.
We have some information, provided by the devs themselves. When (IF) the information changes, I will re-evaluate.
I know these devs. Other than Jack, they are fairly open minded. Honestly, I'd rather see and experience the game, before I go about bashing it; who knows?
I hated the concept of Vanguard in a lot of ways... but the Diplomacy snagged me. Throughly snagged me; Aruspex/LinearCore/DoomCookie's mini-game defined an MMO for me (I still log in and moderate over on vgtact.com, in fact). If SOE had kept that trinity together and working on the sphere, I doubt I'd have ever left the game. (not to say Jansan's not doing an awesome job; he is. He just needs more support/devs).
All I am saying is this: even with what we know now, the stage is still open. Betas and games change with development... STO, well, just LOOK at the history with this one. It's been rebooted so many times, I half expect to see a windows logo somewhere on one of the bridge monitors (with a Cryptic logo smacking it around with a club).
Time answers many questions; I just suggest we see what occurs in time. I'm never opposed to any MMO, until I try it, myself.
Would Shatner (money aside) endorse this game over WOW?
Would Rod Roddenberry agree "OK" this as Star Trek?
There is no "money aside" for Shatner. He's no Trek fan.
It's Gene Roddenberry, and maybe (if he needed the bucks.)
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
1. Shatner: please. Would Nimoy endorse the game (or Koenig).
2. Does it have short skirts? There's your answer in that.
I don't consider myself a Treky or Trekkie or w/e.... I am a fan of the series. And my concern is less with the Star Trek feel, because Cryptic I am sure will nail that on the head. And more concerned with the balance and game play mechanics of STO. I betaed CO and was on the forums shouting that they needed to make the game harder. I could lvl to 30 (the cap is 40) easily without dieing. There was no challenge to it... now it seems that they figured that out on launch day and reblanced it, but the fact that they didn't listen to (not just me) a lot fo their testers that were saying the exact same thing really concerns me. The game needs to have a challenge or it becomes tedious. Simple to play, difficult to master. I think in the end STO will be a well built game, no not everyone will like it, and that is to be expected.
There is no "money aside" for Shatner. He's no Trek fan.
It's Gene Roddenberry, and maybe (if he needed the bucks.)
"Gene" is gone. Died sadly in 1991. Rod is his son who has kept the philosophys his father exponded alive. This is "thier" site:
http://www.roddenberry.com/
There is no "money aside" for Shatner. He's no Trek fan.
It's Gene Roddenberry, and maybe (if he needed the bucks.)
Gene's dead, so is his wife. His son is the only one left. Eugene Wesley "Rod" Roddenberry Jr.
Was happy to do it Zach.
Star Trek Online Correspondent
MMORPG.com
"I don't fear failure. I only fear the slowing up of the engine inside of me which is saying, "Keep going, someone must be on top, why not you?"
-Patton
I am not in any way saying that you cannot discuss Star Trek Online. What I am saying is that certain people need to accept that the game is going to be a certain way and that in turn, those people are not going to like Star Trek Online. You also need to accept that you folks are a minority and that therefore, Star Trek Online might not be the game for you.
THAT SAID - If you have played other Star Trek Games, such as Bridge Commander, Klingon Academy, Armada 1 and 2, Starfleet Command, etc - then having played Star Trek Online and having independantly interviewed Cryptic five times about Star Trek Online- I can say with 100% certainty that Star Trek Online is going to be a much better Star Trek Gaming EXPERIENCE than any of those other Trek games, which have been good, but have left holes of dissatisfaction in the hardcore Trek Fans.
You might think I am biased, running a site that deals specifically with Star Trek Gaming, however this is not the case. I have been very quick to "slam" poor trek gaming experiences in the past, Star Trek Legacy for one, so if you think for a moment that I am a "fanboi" who is going to accept anything that comes my way, then you are wrong sir.
In conclusion.....
[quote]not only can your opinion be discounted because its silly to think a game you know so little about is going to be so good[/quote]
I know a heck of a lot more about it than you!
hailingfrequency.com - the number 1 source for information and discussion on STO and Star Trek Gaming
I run a STAR TREK GAMING website - which i believe makes us both a "Star Trek" website and a "Gaming" website.
My website is visited by over 100,000 people per month (unique) and my podcast gets tens of thousands of downloads. I and the people I represent, are not a minority.
hailingfrequency.com - the number 1 source for information and discussion on STO and Star Trek Gaming
I am sure they like the IDEA of STO, but I do not think hey will enjoy EnB with a trek skin. This is the third go at this format, the other two were stillborn due to interest, and push back from Startrek fans.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
I run a STAR TREK GAMING website - which i believe makes us both a "Star Trek" website and a "Gaming" website.
My website is visited by over 100,000 people per month (unique) and my podcast gets tens of thousands of downloads. I and the people I represent, are not a minority.
Actually I listen to your show and I like it. I also don't agree with some of the elements of the game, especially the outside view of ships.
If I wanted to be my ship, i would go play Eve Online. I'm sorry, thats just not Trek to me. If it is for other people, well more power to you.
Now if I feel that way I'm sure some of your other dedicated listeners do as well.
We've all seen how games are defended hard before release and those whom defended it are normally first to jump ship. No one wants the game to fail.
Someone asked what would you like to see. I'd like to see Equal parts, a well made linear game mixed with a sandbox game. I want to live in the Star Trek universe, versus playing a Star Trek game.
If that makes since to people.
"It is better to die on one's feet than to live on one's knees,"
I run a STAR TREK GAMING website - which i believe makes us both a "Star Trek" website and a "Gaming" website.
My website is visited by over 100,000 people per month (unique) and my podcast gets tens of thousands of downloads. I and the people I represent, are not a minority.
In terms of the number of Trek fans there are, yeah, you are.
When the head dev said everyone wants to be the captain, what was your reaction? Mine was that he doesn't know shit about Star Trek fans.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
My initial reaction was that I didnt like being "told" what I wanted to be and that given the choice, I would likely have ALTs in different positions, engineering, tactical etc, HOWEVER, once I thought about it, I started to realise that for the most part, people do want to be captain and that even though I might not be able to follow my desires of having multiple characters in multiple professions, that being a CAPTAIN is definetly something I wanted to be and that I would therefore, give it its fair chance.
So did I like it? Not completely.
One thing I want to stress to folks here, is that when Perpetual Entertainment went bust at the end of 2007/begining of 2008 - CBS/Paramount went in to various game development companies and said - "we still want a Star Trek MMO, but we need it by the following date".
The 2010 release date for Star Trek Online is not something that has been set by Cryptic, its something that has been set by CBS / Paramount as a condition for making the game. Because of that, Cryptic were faced with a choice - either put everything in that they could possibly want at launch, but do a less than a half assed job (too much to do, to little time = mistakes and low quality right?)......or put in only SOME of what is wanted at launch but make that content of the highest possible quality and expand on it later.
Would I want to have been in that position, to decide what to put in now and what to put in later? No way - because no matter what you do at launch, not everyone is going to be happy.
However, down the line, we ARE going to get Playable Ship Interiors, we are going to get more factions and we are going to get more professions and who knows what else, but for now, Cryptic have been working to a very difficult release date imposed by CBS/Paramount and they are doing thier best.
Until I have had more than a 15 minute oppurtunity to play the game, I dont know for sure if its going to be good or not, but I do know that the 15 minutes I have played was freakin awesome and the screenshots, images and videos that I have seen, look pretty damn amazing. I also know that STO was the BUZZ of PAX and that everyone was talking about how great it was.
So we will all see I guess.
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This is cryptic we are talking about here. They never had any intention to do anything but standard DIKU MMO game-play...In space.
They could have all the time in the world, it would still be DIKU MMO...In space.
Third time is the charm though, right?
As far as PAX, thts a gaming convention right, not a Star trek one? Of course they received it well, its a DIKU MMO...In space.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
You are doing a fine job of providing PR for the game. Cryptic could have written that.
Most Trek fans would rather be McCoy, or Spock, or Uhura, or Data, or <insert Trek crewmember here> than Kirk, Picard, or Janeway.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
You are doing a fine job of providing PR for the game. Cryptic could have written that.
Most Trek fans would rather be McCoy, or Spock, or Uhura, or Data, or <insert Trek crewmember here> than Kirk, Picard, or Janeway.
OK zach21uk,
Can you address whether they will consider adding in future expansions other Star Trek roles such as dedicated Doctors, Engineers or Scientists? In the make or break launch era of MMO's will the fans enjoy such delays? I have had some bad experiances with Star Trek games not meeting expectations. I look forward to your opinion proving STO to be the exception, if true.
I am quite aware of Paramounts demands on past endevors and can see what you discribe. Thank you for that.
One thing I want to stress to folks here, is that when Perpetual Entertainment went bust at the end of 2007/begining of 2008 - CBS/Paramount went in to various game development companies and said - "we still want a Star Trek MMO, but we need it by the following date".
However, down the line, we ARE going to get Playable Ship Interiors, we are going to get more factions and we are going to get more professions and who knows what else, but for now, Cryptic have been working to a very difficult release date imposed by CBS/Paramount and they are doing thier best.
I don't think it matters who is at fault. A half ass job is a half ass job. True that they ''might'' dangle the carrot and promise playable ships later but MMO players are hard to get back once you lose them. If you don't get it right at launch then why bother? Players of late are a lot less forgiving.
This is not to say Trek won't be a good game. But will it be Trek?
I for one don't want to start off as captain. If I were to become one I would like to actually earn it through missions or what have you. I want to be ''on'' the Enterprise, not ''BE'' the enterprise. Its elements like that that are going to send most people running if they bother with it at all.
I will do the game a favor and stay away until things are done right if it last that long.
"It is better to die on one's feet than to live on one's knees,"