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Skotos
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in EVE Online
Hey,
Well, long story short...I cant really afford to play an mmo with a sub, but I hear you can buy Eve time with ISK. How easy is it for a new Eve player to make enough ISK each 60 days to just purchase game time? I think I would just enjoy having a nice game to play and I dont mind just making ISK to sustain a sub. Also what professions work the best to make money, and I am not really into pvp. I wouldnt mind mining, even if its a little boring..it would give me some to do some college homework.
Thanks.
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Need to check the EVE boards to see what they are running.
You can either mine, craft, mission run, haul cargo or play the market to gain enough ISK.
If you play hardcore you can farm standing with an agent and get level III and IV missions.
Level IV mission rewards + bounties + salvage should net you anywhere from 10-20 million isk an hour.
A 30 day plex costs from 275 million to 310 million isk.
I suggest finding a Eve client sale on steam for like 9.99 (you need to buy the client before you can start using the plex).
So basically after you buy the client you have 51 days to grind to level IV missions and skill up for a Low skill mission Dominix or Drake (I suggest the passive shield drake).
Then you could basically pay for eve with missions if you get into exploration at that point you could farm escalations and get faction drops that could net you from 30-300 million isk for one item (gotta be lucky).
Only catch in the whole deal is buying the client first (from 9-14 bucks depending on the Steam sale).
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Do you think its plausible making that much with just mining?
I see Direct 2 Drive has it on sale for $5.
Nope no where even close, i have only heard of people making around 80 million ISK a day and that is with a Hulk fully decked out.
If you want to make money, do activity that is meant to make money - aka not mining.
Unless you want to be a miner...
I don't have to be a miner. So can anyone give me info on what I need to train, training path, etc... I have played through tutorial and have a relative understanding of the game...but I am still quite a noob.
the best way for a new player to make money is to farm missions. grind your standings up until you have a level 4 agent and a raven to run them in (about a month and a half training), you can do about 20-30 million isk an hour in missions, so about 15 hours a month grind to pay for the sub.
there are easier and better ways, but for a newbie, this is the most accessable.
If you want to make a lot of money mining then you need to be mining in low sec but then you need some backup or to be part of a corp that has an area for you to mine otherwise you won't have access to the more valuable minerals. Mining in Empire means you either have to chew through cheap mineral belts or mine Ice. Ice mining is the more profitable of the two but you definitely need to have your skills trained up and you need a Mack or a Hulk to do it. If you mine for 24 hours you might make the 80 million or so as was mentioned but that will be tough and you probably will want a second account to haul away the Ice so you can stay on station and keep mining.
Macro mining is of course prohibited though there would seem to be a few of them in the belts. AFK mining used to work well with a Hulk as you could fit it with cargo expanders and let it run for 20 minutes or so before your hold filled up. Now days though this is less of a good idea. People like to bump miners to see if they are bots or if they are AFK and they can move you out of range of your roid. Just shout at those and they will normally leave you alone. That tends to happen to me as I am normally reading email or chatting while I mine. The other issue is now the Gooberswarm running about with their psuedo-Jihad where they blow your ship up and sacrafice themselft to Concord. For them this is a bit of fun and fairly cheap especially compared to your Hulk especially if you have fitted it out at all with some rigs.
Mission running makes the most money for a solo player but again can be a bit limited. You can improve that by salvaging your wrecks assuming no one finds you and warps in on you.
So can you play for free? Low sec hardcore players yeah, others can probably get a free month here and there which is still not a bad deal unless you want to spend your iskies on something shiny.
I am starting to doubt if this would be possible for me. I can only play for about 1-2 hours everyday.
Note that this works out to about a dollar an hour. If the OP can get any RL work at all, he's better off doing that.
The best way to pay for a sub with PLEX is an adaptation of the "run missions" idea. Run missions for NPC corps with good R&D agents until you get level 4 standings and you can get research agents. They're a PITA to set up and require some extra skill investment, but once done you will get a nice passive income. All you have to do is collect your datacares and then sell them when you need ISK. You have 3 character slots on an account. Each can earn about 200M/month this way if you choose your datacore type carefully. Basically this is more work to set up, but if you do it right, you can pay for two accounts this way with more or less zero effort once it's up and running.
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Making 20-30M per hour will take him couple a months. At that time, he can prospect for other ways of income that are more suitable for his playstyle.
It all depends on what he wants to do in EVE.
If you can stomach the boredom, then high sec mission running is the way to go.
As others have said, you should be faction grinding while skilling up. Once you have access to a good level 4 combat agent and can fly a decently fitted mission battleship, you can commence the snore-fest of mission grinding. Choose where to base out of properly and avoid low sec and you will basically be completely free from any hassles or risk of loss. (maybe the occasionaly mission loot thief or ninja salvager, but they are barely a nuisance and easily ignored)
Between mission payouts, salvage, the occasional bit of good loot and selling LP rewards, you should easily cover any expenses and make enough isk for a plex each month.
Of course, EVE PvE (especially missions) are about the most mind-numbingly boring experience possible in an MMO..so why you would want to is beyond me
With a bit of dedication and the right skills you could make the ISK mining as well, but that is amazingly even slightly more boring than missions.
Exploration takes a lot more character skills and player knowledge to make it pay off, not a good first choice. Same for industrialist really.
Stop talking crap you have no clue about and mislead people..
One character with perfect skills, standings and agent yields you about 85M per months in datacores.
You could get some nice money but that would require running missions for 18 agents every day...
I defer to your superior carebearing expertise.
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As I hinted earlier, it depends on what you fancy about the game(apart from fact you can pay for the game with ingame money).
Also, how important it is for you to pay for the game with ingame money?
The point is, with your limited time, you will need to utilize your time you spend on making ISK to pay your sub and fund your ingame activities.
EVE works like real life. There are people who give money and those who take money.
Mission running and mining are paid jobs. You get paid for amount of time you spent ingame doing certain task. Only way to get better paid is to work harder - work more hours.
And time is something you don't have.
That leaves you to activities that are meant to make to make money. You will have to become the one that pays those with job.
Unfortunately for you, this is the most competitive area of the game and it is pretty much only about player skills and will requires some thinking.
Well, those are your options as I see it and both might work for you depending on your needs.
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Best case scenario you can buy a plex after about 30-40 hours of missioning. And that is dependany on how your luck on the missions is. So that means on average your spending almost all of your play time on eve just trying to maintain your account. If you don't like that idea, well then it may not be worth it. The buying time for isk is more geared towards those with plenty of time and little cash. being short on both is going to be rough. Not saying its not doable but it won't be easy.
I would say possible but not plausible, and you would really need to average 2 hours a day. You would simply need to train up a Battleship for mission running and focus on this exclusively for a very long time. Any other approuch would be too risky it seems to me, and until you get to the highest level missions you won't make any money. I would say seven months and you would begin to able to do more than just run missions and buy TC's. The first one might be rough tho.
Right now a TC runs about 5.5 hundred million. After a year or so of missions you will make this with ease in a couple of weeks...easily!
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IMHO you will spend well over 6 months in game and have never played it! This is not playing eve and a very bad way to go about it.
You can make around 15-20 mil per hour pretty easy running level 4s if you keep your focus. A plex costs somewhere around 280 mil. You are looking at 14-18 hours of mission running a month to pay for your habit. That doesn't really leave a lot of extra time/isk to spend on other stuff, but its doable. Your isk/hr would go up slowly also as your skills improved and you moved into better ships/ammo/modules, eventually you'd be pulling +25 mil isk/hr.
The problem will be getting to the point where you have the skills, the ship, and the standings to successfully run level 4s. That would probably take about 1.5-2 months, and those would be two months you'd have to front the bill the old fashioned way.
Once you had some capital behind you could get into trading and use those 1-2 hours a day to better effect. Of course that also depends on your business savvy. I'm personally a horrible trader because I'm too impatient.
Honestly spending 2 hours out of your month mowing someone's lawn would be a better investment of time. And you wouldn't spend 80% of your game-time running missions. That's just my 2c though.
Mission farming will take a long time before you are able to do higher leveled and profitable missions. If you want to be able to buy a plex for your first paid month, go ninja salvage other people's missions: www.youtube.com/watch
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PLEX= Pilot Liscense Extension
They usually go for about ~300 mil isk (in game cash of course)
You can buy them right off the market in game and add them to your account allowing you to pay your monthly subscription completely with in game cash.
I wish every MMO did this.
The only thing I see as a limit, you can't get a PLEX if your account is inactive (unless I am wrong and missed something).
I was trying to have my brother get me a PLEX in game (with his active account) to give to my inactive account, but it only activates in game.
This allows people with tons of real life cash to buy credits in game (through th game itself so no scams). It is the most effective way to kill illegal isk spammers.
This allows people broke in real life to keep playing eve without spending any real cash.
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I cant understand why other MMOs haven't implented the GTC sale system as well.
Too original and player-oritentated, I guess....
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Money = too much power in other mmo's. Imagine eve where once you bought a mothership or titan you always had that mother ship or titan with all the faction gear. It only works in eve because whatever you buy can just as easily be taken away from you by other players.
Nope no where even close, i have only heard of people making around 80 million ISK a day and that is with a Hulk fully decked out.
I make 80-120mil+ a hour in a hulk/BC or BS out in 0.0.....but that is with a dedicated Hulk and a protection character. (including the hulk at around 60mil a hour and ratting / protecting char brings in 38-60ish mil a hour depending on how lazy I am being )
if you are mining in High Sec you will make 5-9mil a hour depending on what you mine / your fleet bonus /implants / Skills.
If you are wanting to fund your account passivly I would suggest getting into R&D agents and buy and sell Datacores...takes a bit to get the skills needed but you will easily make a half or more to a full PLEX a month doing it..and all you got to do is check in on it and cash out and sell once a month. ( the initial faction grind is pretty painful if you don't do it right )
One of the 'best' ways to PASSIVLY pay for your account.
Thanks for input.
Without starting a discussion about high/low/0.0 sec profitability, this is really sad
High sec missions make you +-50M per hour in peace and safety...