The OP does sound almost how i feel. And quite frankly maybe mmo's aren't my thing anymore. I keep going from game to game trying to find something that captivates me and keeps my interest. I think i don't mind the grind so much when i have more control over my characters development? Not sure. At least in a skilled based game i knew what i was working towards with the grind in these preplanned classes it just doesn't seem worth it to me. I have zero control on how my character turns out in the end and what he can do. So I always end up making tons of alts trying to find a class that i really enjoy. It typically turns out i like some parts of the class but not others. Like ranger i loved the range/melee/traps, but the dps was horrible, my cleric did more dmg. To compare to another game before its change swg was nothing but a massive grindfest but i enjoyed it cause i got to choose what skills to pick next and what to work towards, even wow with it's talent tree could kinda keep your character fresh with trying different builds and testing them out. So far in Aion it is straight kill kill kill get next lvl grab new skills....kill kill kill lvl up grab new skills. And i know some ppl actually really enjoy it, i can even bring myslef to play it now and again. I just want ....more.
Exactly how I fee. If only they had made a rich chacter skill system. The game is so bloody simple. I am surprised at this day and age in MMO's we are getting simpler, but maybe that is the trend in MMO's...simple sandbox games.
Aion is not a sandbox game. At all. It is a typical hybrid that blends wow's elements with better graphics, wings, and a korean-like grind.
ITs not bad, but its not really great either, Same old same old really.
"Do not fret! Your captain is about to enter Valhalla!" - General Beatrix of Alexandria
"The acquisition of knowledge is of use to the intellect, for nothing can be loved or hated without first being known." - Leo da Vinci
The OP does sound almost how i feel. And quite frankly maybe mmo's aren't my thing anymore. I keep going from game to game trying to find something that captivates me and keeps my interest. I think i don't mind the grind so much when i have more control over my characters development? Not sure. At least in a skilled based game i knew what i was working towards with the grind in these preplanned classes it just doesn't seem worth it to me. I have zero control on how my character turns out in the end and what he can do. So I always end up making tons of alts trying to find a class that i really enjoy. It typically turns out i like some parts of the class but not others. Like ranger i loved the range/melee/traps, but the dps was horrible, my cleric did more dmg. To compare to another game before its change swg was nothing but a massive grindfest but i enjoyed it cause i got to choose what skills to pick next and what to work towards, even wow with it's talent tree could kinda keep your character fresh with trying different builds and testing them out. So far in Aion it is straight kill kill kill get next lvl grab new skills....kill kill kill lvl up grab new skills. And i know some ppl actually really enjoy it, i can even bring myslef to play it now and again. I just want ....more.
Exactly how I fee. If only they had made a rich chacter skill system. The game is so bloody simple. I am surprised at this day and age in MMO's we are getting simpler, but maybe that is the trend in MMO's...simple sandbox games.
Aion is not a sandbox game. At all. It is a typical hybrid that blends wow's elements with better graphics, wings, and a korean-like grind.
ITs not bad, but its not really great either, Same old same old really.
Funny you say that...
WoW must have a korean-like grind too. I never did anything but grind in wow... Grind quests, grind heroics, grind raids, grind pvp...grind grind grind grind dailies!
We rode on the winds of the rising storm, We ran to the sounds of the thunder. We danced among the lightning bolts, and tore the world asunder.
--Anonymous fragment of a poem believed written near the end of the previous Age, known by some as the Third Age. Sometimes attributed to the Dragon Reborn
The OP does sound almost how i feel. And quite frankly maybe mmo's aren't my thing anymore. I keep going from game to game trying to find something that captivates me and keeps my interest. I think i don't mind the grind so much when i have more control over my characters development? Not sure. Exactly. Aion is more linear than most think. Heck, you cant even fly everywhere. And there are invisable boundaries. Pretty lame for a game that touts flying. And the classes have hardly any customization, you just follow a path really. Man I miss SWG pre cu... lol. At least in a skilled based game i knew what i was working towards with the grind in these preplanned classes it just doesn't seem worth it to me. I have zero control on how my character turns out in the end and what he can do. So I always end up making tons of alts trying to find a class that i really enjoy. It typically turns out i like some parts of the class but not others. Like ranger i loved the range/melee/traps, but the dps was horrible, my cleric did more dmg. Same with me I tried like three chars (Mage, Priest, Scout), leveled one to around 25 then decided that it was a bit more restrictive than I liked. The only thing in the game that really lets you customize is the initial character creation screen. Thats about it. To compare to another game before its change swg was nothing but a massive grindfest but i enjoyed it cause i got to choose what skills to pick next and what to work towards, even wow with it's talent tree could kinda keep your character fresh with trying different builds and testing them out. So far in Aion it is straight kill kill kill get next lvl grab new skills....kill kill kill lvl up grab new skills. And i know some ppl actually really enjoy it, i can even bring myslef to play it now and again. I just want ....more. Funny you should mention swg. Before I read your post i was thinking the exact same thing. I had more freedom in that game (back in its prime, before nge) And yes it was a bit of a grind but you enjoyed it becuase you were with friends and got to choose what you leveled as. Im with you.. I got sick of the kill kill kill, get your pre planed skills, rinse and repeat. It left me wanting more as well. Oh well heres to hoping mortal online releases soon.
My two coppers.
"Do not fret! Your captain is about to enter Valhalla!" - General Beatrix of Alexandria
"The acquisition of knowledge is of use to the intellect, for nothing can be loved or hated without first being known." - Leo da Vinci
Love how people try to race to max lvl than start saying its a grind.. well yeah its less then a week and your on it all day... Give it a break and play acouple hours a day or somthing, man i haven't grinded yet, and im sure when i get 25+ i'll start doing PvP alot more and thats never a grind, at least for me it isn't.
I think we have a winner!
I agree with this completely. Maybe if I had the time to power level myself I would feel as if I were grinding. However, I don't have the time and find myself wanting more instead of being bored of the "grind."
The OP does sound almost how i feel. And quite frankly maybe mmo's aren't my thing anymore. I keep going from game to game trying to find something that captivates me and keeps my interest. I think i don't mind the grind so much when i have more control over my characters development? Not sure. Exactly. Aion is more linear than most think. Heck, you cant even fly everywhere. And there are invisable boundaries. Pretty lame for a game that touts flying. And the classes have hardly any customization, you just follow a path really. Man I miss SWG pre cu... lol. At least in a skilled based game i knew what i was working towards with the grind in these preplanned classes it just doesn't seem worth it to me. I have zero control on how my character turns out in the end and what he can do. So I always end up making tons of alts trying to find a class that i really enjoy. It typically turns out i like some parts of the class but not others. Like ranger i loved the range/melee/traps, but the dps was horrible, my cleric did more dmg. Same with me I tried like three chars (Mage, Priest, Scout), leveled one to around 25 then decided that it was a bit more restrictive than I liked. The only thing in the game that really lets you customize is the initial character creation screen. Thats about it. To compare to another game before its change swg was nothing but a massive grindfest but i enjoyed it cause i got to choose what skills to pick next and what to work towards, even wow with it's talent tree could kinda keep your character fresh with trying different builds and testing them out. So far in Aion it is straight kill kill kill get next lvl grab new skills....kill kill kill lvl up grab new skills. And i know some ppl actually really enjoy it, i can even bring myslef to play it now and again. I just want ....more. Funny you should mention swg. Before I read your post i was thinking the exact same thing. I had more freedom in that game (back in its prime, before nge) And yes it was a bit of a grind but you enjoyed it becuase you were with friends and got to choose what you leveled as. Im with you.. I got sick of the kill kill kill, get your pre planed skills, rinse and repeat. It left me wanting more as well. Oh well heres to hoping mortal online releases soon.
My two coppers.
You just saved me two coppers by saying exactly what I'd say.
I've played Aion only up to level 13, but man, the grind is killing me already. And the invisible walls? Frankly that's just unacceptable these days.
I'll play it a bit more until my freebie month is up, but so far, it's just not a very good game.
5 minutes ago i finished a long chain quest that had me:
1) run to one npc, kill something, run to another bit
2) do something/talk to this dude -
3) come back, kill something -
4) then go to a party zone requiring 5 people to help me and throw a Necklace into the middle of a volcano,
It even had an ingame movie with my character acting out the above sentence. Gave me over 200k XP... i get about 4k per mob... that helped the so called grind no?
I dont remember the story or what the npc chat was, but ive never read the bs thats in the quest info. Thats why alot of MMO's now have a quest helper of some sort to cut out the BS.
Sorry but if thats at level 23... im sure maybe the same depth or more is coming?
Alot of people crying about this"Grind". What so called MMO are you playing where you just sit about in town get given top level/max cash/best gear for no time spent at all in the game. Also THE GAME HAS BEEN RUNNING 1 WEEK DID YOU REALLY THINK YOU WOULD BE LEVEL 50 IN 7 DAYS?! THIS IS NOT WOW, YOU DO NOT HAVE A LEVEL 80 CHARACTER RUNNING ROUND DOING EVERYTHING FOR YOU.
5 minutes ago i finished a long chain quest that had me: 1) run to one npc, kill something, run to another bit 2) do something/talk to this dude - 3) come back, kill something - 4) then go to a party zone requiring 5 people to help me and throw a Necklace into the middle of a volcano, It even had an ingame movie with my character acting out the above sentence. Gave me over 200k XP... i get about 4k per mob... that helped the so called grind no?
I dont remember the story or what the npc chat was, but ive never read the bs thats in the quest info. Thats why alot of MMO's now have a quest helper of some sort to cut out the BS. Sorry but if thats at level 23... im sure maybe the same depth or more is coming?
Alot of people crying about this"Grind". What so called MMO are you playing where you just sit about in town get given top level/max cash/best gear for no time spent at all in the game. Also THE GAME HAS BEEN RUNNING 1 WEEK DID YOU REALLY THINK YOU WOULD BE LEVEL 50 IN 7 DAYS?! THIS IS NOT WOW, YOU DO NOT HAVE A LEVEL 80 CHARACTER RUNNING ROUND DOING EVERYTHING FOR YOU.
Exactly. I remember original EQ, as a casual player I would spend weeks on one level, grinding mobs -- these wow clowns think all games you should be max level in 2 days so you can brag about your level to all your HS buddies. IMO AION the levelling is too quick -- I hope it slows way down. Either way, Blizz has given everyone epics, mounts, flying mounts, max level etc so easily these fools almost think they are entitled to it. Every game isnt made by Blizz -- this isnt world of kiddiecraft.
I think one of the problem is people trying to hit the level cap. Which is probably not necessary for now. Since I don't think there's much to do at lvl50 anyway.
I play on the taiwan server, aion have been running for around 2.5 month. Though there's alot of lvl50 on my server. The top rank abyss player isn't even lvl50. The highest abyss point player is only lvl41, and second highest is lvl39.
5 minutes ago i finished a long chain quest that had me: 1) run to one npc, kill something, run to another bit 2) do something/talk to this dude - 3) come back, kill something - 4) then go to a party zone requiring 5 people to help me and throw a Necklace into the middle of a volcano, It even had an ingame movie with my character acting out the above sentence. Gave me over 200k XP... i get about 4k per mob... that helped the so called grind no?
I dont remember the story or what the npc chat was, but ive never read the bs thats in the quest info. Thats why alot of MMO's now have a quest helper of some sort to cut out the BS. Sorry but if thats at level 23... im sure maybe the same depth or more is coming?
Alot of people crying about this"Grind". What so called MMO are you playing where you just sit about in town get given top level/max cash/best gear for no time spent at all in the game. Also THE GAME HAS BEEN RUNNING 1 WEEK DID YOU REALLY THINK YOU WOULD BE LEVEL 50 IN 7 DAYS?! THIS IS NOT WOW, YOU DO NOT HAVE A LEVEL 80 CHARACTER RUNNING ROUND DOING EVERYTHING FOR YOU.
Exactly. I remember original EQ, as a casual player I would spend weeks on one level, grinding mobs -- these wow clowns think all games you should be max level in 2 days so you can brag about your level to all your HS buddies. IMO AION the levelling is too quick -- I hope it slows way down. Either way, Blizz has given everyone epics, mounts, flying mounts, max level etc so easily these fools almost think they are entitled to it. Every game isnt made by Blizz -- this isnt world of kiddiecraft.
Let that sink in.
Did you guys even read my post? The entire point was, I am not that interested in max lvl, grind or any of the other things that go with it. The quote above leads me to believe that you guys and I are not even remotely looking for the same game experience. Which is fine, but let's recognize that before you make false assumptions about what I like compared to what you like. I like immersive play. I grew up on Tolkein and D&D. Not looking for D&D but some level of thought required.
Clearly we differ on our expectation of grinding v real enagaging content, your quote:
"I dont remember the story or what the npc chat was, but ive never read the bs thats in the quest info. Thats why alot of MMO's now have a quest helper of some sort to cut out the BS."
You need to achieve, I need to achieve but also require creative content. And I will then enjoy what the creative people create. Cool, just a different gaming expectation and experience, I will admit that you, in my humble opinion are what went wrong with MMO's. That is not a slam, just a personal observation of what perhaps the masses with their subscription dollar are asking for.
What I also find humorous is your perspective that WoW is kiddie game and Aion is not. Have not played WoW in years, tired of it long ago. But, it is easy-mode now because after years of intense-playbase with numbers that absurdly exceeded any prioir release of any MMO, everything has been tweaked dialed in and figured out. If you were not a hardcore player, for some of us it took a couple of months to get our first lvl 50, for me about 4 actually.
Aion has...
Less content, way way less than even the first release of WoW. I was there.
Aion also has far simpler classes and far less customization than WoW, which was weak to begin with but with three unique skill trees, there were a fair number of combinations per class
I wanted Aion to be killer, by my definition, what I think it will be however, is ultra easy mode, grind dressed as PVE, very simplistic game play, easy to grasp character types and fun end game PvP. Love it or hate it, thats what it is, and it is also not called WoW and stylistically is much different. It is also a solid release and hence will make some coin and get press.
Aion's a casual MMO. It's not really anything to get your panties fired up. I like the idea of the story, I enjoyed the graphics. Sure this game could have been better, but so can every other game. This game is NOT a grind game, FFXI is a prime example of a grind game, quest's = little. lfg in dunes for 5 hours = yes. Aion's a typical MMO, a break from all our others, every new mmo has a lot of hype just like anything else, no game really delievered on their first time in the MMO series. Most had a couple of weeks before it could be playable. Take the pro's. This game had a semi smooth launch, lag was because of the mass of players but hey, at least their log-on server's weren't down (Age of Conan) or a hacker jumped their system (another lame excuse). This game had a great turn out. you can only hope the best for it. Take mmo's into a consideration via it's stand-points in comparsion's to other MMO's. Like you compare FPS's. The hype for the game is like any other, you see an amazing cinimatic or trailer for the game, get pumped and tell your friends. They release details about the game and you hear "Flying +Combat" which makes you think "1337 THIS GAME = WIN" and then you learn, it wasn't like you had wet dream's of. Give game's a chance, when a game comes that has a super seamless launch and blows me away on the first try, hell yes! (Prays for The Old Republic ;] ) it will redefine sucess in the industry. Think about this, did WoW have 11 Million players over-night of their launch? Didn't think so.
Did you guys even read my post? The entire point was, I am not that interested in max lvl, grind or any of the other things that go with it. The quote above leads me to believe that you guys and I are not even remotely looking for the same game experience. Which is fine, but let's recognize that before you make false assumptions about what I like compared to what you like. I like immersive play. I grew up on Tolkein and D&D. Not looking for D&D but some level of thought required. Clearly we differ on our expectation of grinding v real enagaging content, your quote: "I dont remember the story or what the npc chat was, but ive never read the bs thats in the quest info. Thats why alot of MMO's now have a quest helper of some sort to cut out the BS."
You need to achieve, I need to achieve but also require creative content. And I will then enjoy what the creative people create. Cool, just a different gaming expectation and experience, I will admit that you, in my humble opinion are what went wrong with MMO's. That is not a slam, just a personal observation of what perhaps the masses with their subscription dollar are asking for.
What I also find humorous is your perspective that WoW is kiddie game and Aion is not. Have not played WoW in years, tired of it long ago. But, it is easy-mode now because after years of intense-playbase with numbers that absurdly exceeded any prioir release of any MMO, everything has been tweaked dialed in and figured out. If you were not a hardcore player, for some of us it took a couple of months to get our first lvl 50, for me about 4 actually. Aion has...
Less content, way way less than even the first release of WoW. I was there. Aion also has far simpler classes and far less customization than WoW, which was weak to begin with but with three unique skill trees, there were a fair number of combinations per class I wanted Aion to be killer, by my definition, what I think it will be however, is ultra easy mode, grind dressed as PVE, very simplistic game play, easy to grasp character types and fun end game PvP. Love it or hate it, thats what it is, and it is also not called WoW and stylistically is much different. It is also a solid release and hence will make some coin and get press.
You've confused yourself on that one. You start out saying how you want more creativity in Aion, and then finish it off by making bullets that show how much of the creativty you have skipped over.
One point to make, yes WoW gave you more options to customize your skills, Aion gives you more ability to customize your equipment to augment your stats. Your play of the characters is far above WoW in interactivety. Sure you can stand there and do nothing but the minimum immersion and achieve, but you can also take control of your character and do so much more. If you dont see this that perhaps you need to learn to play your character better, you will see it then.
Just hitting the next attack in a chain until its done and moving to the next chain does not make the most efficient use of the characters abilities, you have to plan the moves out to take advantage of each ones bonus effects. Again, if you do not know this than perhaps you need ot go back and learn to play your character. By saying this game is easy mode just says you know nothing about the complexites they have put in for us to use.
In conclusion, stop trying to play on easy mode and you might just see there is far more available to you. Or not, doesn't matter to me - the more 'easy mode' you play, the easier it will be for me (and anyone who learns this game) to kick your butt back to the stone ages in PvP.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
Did you guys even read my post? The entire point was, I am not that interested in max lvl, grind or any of the other things that go with it. The quote above leads me to believe that you guys and I are not even remotely looking for the same game experience. Which is fine, but let's recognize that before you make false assumptions about what I like compared to what you like. I like immersive play. I grew up on Tolkein and D&D. Not looking for D&D but some level of thought required.
Clearly we differ on our expectation of grinding v real enagaging content, your quote:
"I dont remember the story or what the npc chat was, but ive never read the bs thats in the quest info. Thats why alot of MMO's now have a quest helper of some sort to cut out the BS."
You need to achieve, I need to achieve but also require creative content. And I will then enjoy what the creative people create. Cool, just a different gaming expectation and experience, I will admit that you, in my humble opinion are what went wrong with MMO's. That is not a slam, just a personal observation of what perhaps the masses with their subscription dollar are asking for.
What I also find humorous is your perspective that WoW is kiddie game and Aion is not. Have not played WoW in years, tired of it long ago. But, it is easy-mode now because after years of intense-playbase with numbers that absurdly exceeded any prioir release of any MMO, everything has been tweaked dialed in and figured out. If you were not a hardcore player, for some of us it took a couple of months to get our first lvl 50, for me about 4 actually.
Aion has...
Less content, way way less than even the first release of WoW. I was there.
Aion also has far simpler classes and far less customization than WoW, which was weak to begin with but with three unique skill trees, there were a fair number of combinations per class
I wanted Aion to be killer, by my definition, what I think it will be however, is ultra easy mode, grind dressed as PVE, very simplistic game play, easy to grasp character types and fun end game PvP. Love it or hate it, thats what it is, and it is also not called WoW and stylistically is much different. It is also a solid release and hence will make some coin and get press.
1)No i did not read all your post, i lost interest in what you had to say with the word "GRIND" in the topic - i was merely pointing out i had just done a indepth quest with lots of tit bits inbetween and a group needed ending with my own personal movie! Ontop it gave me a huge amount of XP, thus reducing the "GRIND!?!!?!?"
2)Where did i say WoW was a Kiddie game? I love wow just dont play it, if you wanted my opinion.
3)" And I will then enjoy what the creative people create. Cool, just a different gaming expectation and experience, I will admit that you, in my humble opinion are what went wrong with MMO's. That is not a slam, just a personal observation of what perhaps the masses with their subscription dollar are asking for."
Your opinion is not humble. You have no backbone behind your accusation/was that an insult? You need to wake up mate, go put your head back in a book or maybe a board game? The games industry is changing, mmo's have changed - for the better... have you not realised everything is just a copy/smoothed out version of its predecessor. If you dont like change, you should start trying to.
IN MY NOT SO HUMBLE opinion, you have no idea what it is you want, you didn't get it here and feel that "GRIND" justifies your dissapointment... Get back on the console and play some fable2. Not a slam just a suggestion.
I'm with you. I'm having a blast with the game so far. Most fun I've had in quite some time.
You must REALLY enjoy "Kill 10 of this" quests. That's as old as the hills! Where's the fresh new ideas for the core of the game? Pretty flappy wings? Give me a break!
Did you guys even read my post? The entire point was, I am not that interested in max lvl, grind or any of the other things that go with it. The quote above leads me to believe that you guys and I are not even remotely looking for the same game experience. Which is fine, but let's recognize that before you make false assumptions about what I like compared to what you like. I like immersive play. I grew up on Tolkein and D&D. Not looking for D&D but some level of thought required. Clearly we differ on our expectation of grinding v real enagaging content, your quote: "I dont remember the story or what the npc chat was, but ive never read the bs thats in the quest info. Thats why alot of MMO's now have a quest helper of some sort to cut out the BS."
You need to achieve, I need to achieve but also require creative content. And I will then enjoy what the creative people create. Cool, just a different gaming expectation and experience, I will admit that you, in my humble opinion are what went wrong with MMO's. That is not a slam, just a personal observation of what perhaps the masses with their subscription dollar are asking for.
What I also find humorous is your perspective that WoW is kiddie game and Aion is not. Have not played WoW in years, tired of it long ago. But, it is easy-mode now because after years of intense-playbase with numbers that absurdly exceeded any prioir release of any MMO, everything has been tweaked dialed in and figured out. If you were not a hardcore player, for some of us it took a couple of months to get our first lvl 50, for me about 4 actually. Aion has...
Less content, way way less than even the first release of WoW. I was there. Aion also has far simpler classes and far less customization than WoW, which was weak to begin with but with three unique skill trees, there were a fair number of combinations per class I wanted Aion to be killer, by my definition, what I think it will be however, is ultra easy mode, grind dressed as PVE, very simplistic game play, easy to grasp character types and fun end game PvP. Love it or hate it, thats what it is, and it is also not called WoW and stylistically is much different. It is also a solid release and hence will make some coin and get press.
You've confused yourself on that one. You start out saying how you want more creativity in Aion, and then finish it off by making bullets that show how much of the creativty you have skipped over.
One point to make, yes WoW gave you more options to customize your skills, Aion gives you more ability to customize your equipment to augment your stats. Your play of the characters is far above WoW in interactivety. Sure you can stand there and do nothing but the minimum immersion and achieve, but you can also take control of your character and do so much more. If you dont see this that perhaps you need to learn to play your character better, you will see it then.
Just hitting the next attack in a chain until its done and moving to the next chain does not make the most efficient use of the characters abilities, you have to plan the moves out to take advantage of each ones bonus effects. Again, if you do not know this than perhaps you need ot go back and learn to play your character. By saying this game is easy mode just says you know nothing about the complexites they have put in for us to use.
In conclusion, stop trying to play on easy mode and you might just see there is far more available to you. Or not, doesn't matter to me - the more 'easy mode' you play, the easier it will be for me (and anyone who learns this game) to kick your butt back to the stone ages in PvP.
LOL, not easy mode. Plan for my attack? That is sugar coating some pretty basic game play. Chains are ok, though RoM chains are fore more interesting. Certainly took the RoM model and again, simplified it for the masses.
Jumping around helps in WoW PvP as well. CC works the same, people who have it complain it is too easily broken and those who dont complain that they cannot get close to the ranged target.
Also- If you are referring to expoits around the animation, for example the "rangber Jump shot" well that is just a silly way to stop an animation. I played em all, this is super simple. Enjoy it, just don't sell it as something more than it is.
1)No i did not read all your post, i lost interest in what you had to say with the word "GRIND" in the topic - i was merely pointing out i had just done a indepth quest with lots of tit bits inbetween and a group needed ending with my own personal movie! Ontop it gave me a huge amount of XP, thus reducing the "GRIND!?!!?!?"
2)Where did i say WoW was a Kiddie game? I love wow just dont play it, if you wanted my opinion.
3)" And I will then enjoy what the creative people create. Cool, just a different gaming expectation and experience, I will admit that you, in my humble opinion are what went wrong with MMO's. That is not a slam, just a personal observation of what perhaps the masses with their subscription dollar are asking for."
Your opinion is not humble. You have no backbone behind your accusation/was that an insult? You need to wake up mate, go put your head back in a book or maybe a board game? The games industry is changing, mmo's have changed - for the better... have you not realised everything is just a copy/smoothed out version of its predecessor. If you dont like change, you should start trying to.
IN MY NOT SO HUMBLE opinion, you have no idea what it is you want, you didn't get it here and feel that "GRIND" justifies your dissapointment... Get back on the console and play some fable2. Not a slam just a suggestion.
It was not an insult and that is why "backbone" was not required "mate". It is just that I am into creativity and experiencing it, you are not. This is based on your statement.
"I dont remember the story or what the npc chat was, but ive never read the bs thats in the quest info. Thats why alot of MMO's now have a quest helper of some sort to cut out the BS."
Where is the insult in that. Also, I do not want to play tabletop, I want an MMO that incorporates PVE. I like adventuring with friends, online, not rushing through quests to get to the next as fast I can, you dig that, me not so much. I do not like spawn camping and rushing, are you saying that i am alone in my wishes for this type of MMO? That the only seller will be those that have suffered what I think is not "evolution" you refer to, but what seems to be more of the de-evolution and mass-simplification of the genre?
word man.. go play lineage2 or FFXI online.. been in ''end game'' on both.. 3yrs on L2 - 1yr 4months on FFXI and believe me when i say i have been grinding in few games..
i dont know what you guys are sweating about.. there hasnt been any grinding so far for me on aion (lv28)
you guys dont deserve games like Aion.. go back to play tetris..
oh and also.. even WoW is a massive grinder if you ppl define grinding as quests that have kill x this go to blaa blaa.. collect X amount of blaa blaa.. actually every mmo these days has em.. except social MMO's.. tho who cares about them.. go try those out.. prolly suits u cry-babies better..
i define grinding as this -> no quests in few lvls and advancing in levels requires hundreds of mobs being killed (e.g 1 mob of few lvls higher than avatar = 0,08%-0.12% xp or even better.. 0.002% per mob as in 9D higher lvls).. as altairzq said.. you guys dont know what grind is.. as Aion has no actual grinding in it (so far atleast) and neither it is a WoW clone (waiting for those posts) WoW is a wolf in sheeps clothes when it comes to cloning UI's etc.. and some idiot people even think theyre original.. anyways i hate these newage ''gamers'' whining about ''grinding'' tho also gotta love em in a way.. getting good laughs from them
I'm busting right out the creases, fuck your white jesus.. you're blinded by the light of deceivers and disbelievers the real truth right in front of you i am everyone and none of you..
You must REALLY enjoy "Kill 10 of this" quests. That's as old as the hills! Where's the fresh new ideas for the core of the game? Pretty flappy wings? Give me a break!
I don't need "fresh, new ideas" to enjoy a game. I'm certainly not against it either. Out of the newer mmos this one has been the most fun for me so far. That could always change. I don't work for NCSoft and I'm not a long time follower of this game so if it goes downhill or turns to shit then so be it.
You never know though. AoC was fun until you got out of Tortage and as lacking as the PvE was in Warhammer the PvP was fun until you reached T4 so my opinion could always change. As for now I'm having fun with it. Sorry you didn't but to each their own. None of these newer mmos have any fresh, new ideas that I've seen. So for me it boils down to what I enjoy playing at the time which for now is Aion. Will I feel that way 6 months or a year from now? I couldn't say but so far it's been entertaining.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
word man.. go play lineage2 or FFXI online.. been in ''end game'' on both.. 3yrs on L2 - 1yr 4months on FFXI and believe me when i say i have been grinding in few games..
i dont know what you guys are sweating about.. there hasnt been any grinding so far for me on aion (lv28)
you guys dont deserve games like Aion.. go back to play tetris..
oh and also.. even WoW is a massive grinder if you ppl define grinding as quests that have kill x this go to blaa blaa.. collect X amount of blaa blaa.. actually every mmo these days has em.. except social MMO's.. tho who cares about them.. go try those out.. prolly suits u cry-babies better
lol dude most who complain about grind have been spoon fed by wow for years so they probably never saw or played lineage 2 lol
i played wow 3 years and its not a grind at all compared to lineage 2
and if it is most have ways to go around that in wow,the one that gets it hard in wow are the one that do the raid say the first few run ,before blizzard take those raid 1 or two notch down because most feel its too hard
Why is everyone calling this a typical eastern grinder????? You grind no more or less then EVERY otther western MMO out here. It has nothing to do with it being a eastern themed game.
Course, I can't get pissed about it cause if it didn't have that eastern look you would just say its your typical wow clone.
So which is it? WoW clone? Eastern grinder?
Or maybe perhaps trolls that don't like MMO's in general should just stop playing MMO and stop posting here like they actually know something.
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Exactly how I fee. If only they had made a rich chacter skill system. The game is so bloody simple. I am surprised at this day and age in MMO's we are getting simpler, but maybe that is the trend in MMO's...simple sandbox games.
Aion is not a sandbox game. At all. It is a typical hybrid that blends wow's elements with better graphics, wings, and a korean-like grind.
ITs not bad, but its not really great either, Same old same old really.
"Do not fret! Your captain is about to enter Valhalla!" - General Beatrix of Alexandria
"The acquisition of knowledge is of use to the intellect, for nothing can be loved or hated without first being known." - Leo da Vinci
Exactly how I fee. If only they had made a rich chacter skill system. The game is so bloody simple. I am surprised at this day and age in MMO's we are getting simpler, but maybe that is the trend in MMO's...simple sandbox games.
Aion is not a sandbox game. At all. It is a typical hybrid that blends wow's elements with better graphics, wings, and a korean-like grind.
ITs not bad, but its not really great either, Same old same old really.
Funny you say that...
WoW must have a korean-like grind too. I never did anything but grind in wow... Grind quests, grind heroics, grind raids, grind pvp...grind grind grind grind dailies!
We rode on the winds of the rising storm,
We ran to the sounds of the thunder.
We danced among the lightning bolts,
and tore the world asunder.
--Anonymous fragment of a poem believed written near the end of the previous Age, known by some as the Third Age. Sometimes attributed to the Dragon Reborn
My two coppers.
"Do not fret! Your captain is about to enter Valhalla!" - General Beatrix of Alexandria
"The acquisition of knowledge is of use to the intellect, for nothing can be loved or hated without first being known." - Leo da Vinci
There are actually people who like some grind..it's a nice timewaster when you have a busy life.
play free realm then no grind at all
I think we have a winner!
I agree with this completely. Maybe if I had the time to power level myself I would feel as if I were grinding. However, I don't have the time and find myself wanting more instead of being bored of the "grind."
-Almerel
Hello my old friend.
My two coppers.
You just saved me two coppers by saying exactly what I'd say.
I've played Aion only up to level 13, but man, the grind is killing me already. And the invisible walls? Frankly that's just unacceptable these days.
I'll play it a bit more until my freebie month is up, but so far, it's just not a very good game.
RPPvPPvE? One can hope, seeing as so many have failed soooo hard.
Getting your nuts smashed by a sledge hammer. I wonder how much XP you would get for that quest?
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5 minutes ago i finished a long chain quest that had me:
1) run to one npc, kill something, run to another bit
2) do something/talk to this dude -
3) come back, kill something -
4) then go to a party zone requiring 5 people to help me and throw a Necklace into the middle of a volcano,
It even had an ingame movie with my character acting out the above sentence. Gave me over 200k XP... i get about 4k per mob... that helped the so called grind no?
I dont remember the story or what the npc chat was, but ive never read the bs thats in the quest info. Thats why alot of MMO's now have a quest helper of some sort to cut out the BS.
Sorry but if thats at level 23... im sure maybe the same depth or more is coming?
Alot of people crying about this"Grind". What so called MMO are you playing where you just sit about in town get given top level/max cash/best gear for no time spent at all in the game. Also THE GAME HAS BEEN RUNNING 1 WEEK DID YOU REALLY THINK YOU WOULD BE LEVEL 50 IN 7 DAYS?! THIS IS NOT WOW, YOU DO NOT HAVE A LEVEL 80 CHARACTER RUNNING ROUND DOING EVERYTHING FOR YOU.
Exactly. I remember original EQ, as a casual player I would spend weeks on one level, grinding mobs -- these wow clowns think all games you should be max level in 2 days so you can brag about your level to all your HS buddies. IMO AION the levelling is too quick -- I hope it slows way down. Either way, Blizz has given everyone epics, mounts, flying mounts, max level etc so easily these fools almost think they are entitled to it. Every game isnt made by Blizz -- this isnt world of kiddiecraft.
Let that sink in.
I think one of the problem is people trying to hit the level cap. Which is probably not necessary for now. Since I don't think there's much to do at lvl50 anyway.
I play on the taiwan server, aion have been running for around 2.5 month. Though there's alot of lvl50 on my server. The top rank abyss player isn't even lvl50. The highest abyss point player is only lvl41, and second highest is lvl39.
Grind?
Nah, its not so bad.
Hell, after months of LotROs Rep, Daily Silver branch, Craft Halls, Rad gear, LI legacy grinds I'm finding AION a nice break.
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Exactly. I remember original EQ, as a casual player I would spend weeks on one level, grinding mobs -- these wow clowns think all games you should be max level in 2 days so you can brag about your level to all your HS buddies. IMO AION the levelling is too quick -- I hope it slows way down. Either way, Blizz has given everyone epics, mounts, flying mounts, max level etc so easily these fools almost think they are entitled to it. Every game isnt made by Blizz -- this isnt world of kiddiecraft.
Let that sink in.
Did you guys even read my post? The entire point was, I am not that interested in max lvl, grind or any of the other things that go with it. The quote above leads me to believe that you guys and I are not even remotely looking for the same game experience. Which is fine, but let's recognize that before you make false assumptions about what I like compared to what you like. I like immersive play. I grew up on Tolkein and D&D. Not looking for D&D but some level of thought required.
Clearly we differ on our expectation of grinding v real enagaging content, your quote:
"I dont remember the story or what the npc chat was, but ive never read the bs thats in the quest info. Thats why alot of MMO's now have a quest helper of some sort to cut out the BS."
You need to achieve, I need to achieve but also require creative content. And I will then enjoy what the creative people create. Cool, just a different gaming expectation and experience, I will admit that you, in my humble opinion are what went wrong with MMO's. That is not a slam, just a personal observation of what perhaps the masses with their subscription dollar are asking for.
What I also find humorous is your perspective that WoW is kiddie game and Aion is not. Have not played WoW in years, tired of it long ago. But, it is easy-mode now because after years of intense-playbase with numbers that absurdly exceeded any prioir release of any MMO, everything has been tweaked dialed in and figured out. If you were not a hardcore player, for some of us it took a couple of months to get our first lvl 50, for me about 4 actually.
Aion has...
Aion's a casual MMO. It's not really anything to get your panties fired up. I like the idea of the story, I enjoyed the graphics. Sure this game could have been better, but so can every other game. This game is NOT a grind game, FFXI is a prime example of a grind game, quest's = little. lfg in dunes for 5 hours = yes. Aion's a typical MMO, a break from all our others, every new mmo has a lot of hype just like anything else, no game really delievered on their first time in the MMO series. Most had a couple of weeks before it could be playable. Take the pro's. This game had a semi smooth launch, lag was because of the mass of players but hey, at least their log-on server's weren't down (Age of Conan) or a hacker jumped their system (another lame excuse). This game had a great turn out. you can only hope the best for it. Take mmo's into a consideration via it's stand-points in comparsion's to other MMO's. Like you compare FPS's. The hype for the game is like any other, you see an amazing cinimatic or trailer for the game, get pumped and tell your friends. They release details about the game and you hear "Flying + Combat" which makes you think "1337 THIS GAME = WIN" and then you learn, it wasn't like you had wet dream's of. Give game's a chance, when a game comes that has a super seamless launch and blows me away on the first try, hell yes! (Prays for The Old Republic ;] ) it will redefine sucess in the industry. Think about this, did WoW have 11 Million players over-night of their launch? Didn't think so.
Played - M59, EQOA, EQ, EQ2, PS, SWG[Favorite], DAoC, UO, RS, MXO, CoH/CoV, TR, FFXI, FoM, WoW, Eve, Rift, SWTOR, TSW.
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You've confused yourself on that one. You start out saying how you want more creativity in Aion, and then finish it off by making bullets that show how much of the creativty you have skipped over.
One point to make, yes WoW gave you more options to customize your skills, Aion gives you more ability to customize your equipment to augment your stats. Your play of the characters is far above WoW in interactivety. Sure you can stand there and do nothing but the minimum immersion and achieve, but you can also take control of your character and do so much more. If you dont see this that perhaps you need to learn to play your character better, you will see it then.
Just hitting the next attack in a chain until its done and moving to the next chain does not make the most efficient use of the characters abilities, you have to plan the moves out to take advantage of each ones bonus effects. Again, if you do not know this than perhaps you need ot go back and learn to play your character. By saying this game is easy mode just says you know nothing about the complexites they have put in for us to use.
In conclusion, stop trying to play on easy mode and you might just see there is far more available to you. Or not, doesn't matter to me - the more 'easy mode' you play, the easier it will be for me (and anyone who learns this game) to kick your butt back to the stone ages in PvP.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
Did you guys even read my post? The entire point was, I am not that interested in max lvl, grind or any of the other things that go with it. The quote above leads me to believe that you guys and I are not even remotely looking for the same game experience. Which is fine, but let's recognize that before you make false assumptions about what I like compared to what you like. I like immersive play. I grew up on Tolkein and D&D. Not looking for D&D but some level of thought required.
Clearly we differ on our expectation of grinding v real enagaging content, your quote:
"I dont remember the story or what the npc chat was, but ive never read the bs thats in the quest info. Thats why alot of MMO's now have a quest helper of some sort to cut out the BS."
You need to achieve, I need to achieve but also require creative content. And I will then enjoy what the creative people create. Cool, just a different gaming expectation and experience, I will admit that you, in my humble opinion are what went wrong with MMO's. That is not a slam, just a personal observation of what perhaps the masses with their subscription dollar are asking for.
What I also find humorous is your perspective that WoW is kiddie game and Aion is not. Have not played WoW in years, tired of it long ago. But, it is easy-mode now because after years of intense-playbase with numbers that absurdly exceeded any prioir release of any MMO, everything has been tweaked dialed in and figured out. If you were not a hardcore player, for some of us it took a couple of months to get our first lvl 50, for me about 4 actually.
Aion has...
1)No i did not read all your post, i lost interest in what you had to say with the word "GRIND" in the topic - i was merely pointing out i had just done a indepth quest with lots of tit bits inbetween and a group needed ending with my own personal movie! Ontop it gave me a huge amount of XP, thus reducing the "GRIND!?!!?!?"
2)Where did i say WoW was a Kiddie game? I love wow just dont play it, if you wanted my opinion.
3)" And I will then enjoy what the creative people create. Cool, just a different gaming expectation and experience, I will admit that you, in my humble opinion are what went wrong with MMO's. That is not a slam, just a personal observation of what perhaps the masses with their subscription dollar are asking for."
Your opinion is not humble. You have no backbone behind your accusation/was that an insult? You need to wake up mate, go put your head back in a book or maybe a board game? The games industry is changing, mmo's have changed - for the better... have you not realised everything is just a copy/smoothed out version of its predecessor. If you dont like change, you should start trying to.
IN MY NOT SO HUMBLE opinion, you have no idea what it is you want, you didn't get it here and feel that "GRIND" justifies your dissapointment... Get back on the console and play some fable2. Not a slam just a suggestion.
I'm with you. I'm having a blast with the game so far. Most fun I've had in quite some time.
You must REALLY enjoy "Kill 10 of this" quests. That's as old as the hills! Where's the fresh new ideas for the core of the game? Pretty flappy wings? Give me a break!
You've confused yourself on that one. You start out saying how you want more creativity in Aion, and then finish it off by making bullets that show how much of the creativty you have skipped over.
One point to make, yes WoW gave you more options to customize your skills, Aion gives you more ability to customize your equipment to augment your stats. Your play of the characters is far above WoW in interactivety. Sure you can stand there and do nothing but the minimum immersion and achieve, but you can also take control of your character and do so much more. If you dont see this that perhaps you need to learn to play your character better, you will see it then.
Just hitting the next attack in a chain until its done and moving to the next chain does not make the most efficient use of the characters abilities, you have to plan the moves out to take advantage of each ones bonus effects. Again, if you do not know this than perhaps you need ot go back and learn to play your character. By saying this game is easy mode just says you know nothing about the complexites they have put in for us to use.
In conclusion, stop trying to play on easy mode and you might just see there is far more available to you. Or not, doesn't matter to me - the more 'easy mode' you play, the easier it will be for me (and anyone who learns this game) to kick your butt back to the stone ages in PvP.
LOL, not easy mode. Plan for my attack? That is sugar coating some pretty basic game play. Chains are ok, though RoM chains are fore more interesting. Certainly took the RoM model and again, simplified it for the masses.
Jumping around helps in WoW PvP as well. CC works the same, people who have it complain it is too easily broken and those who dont complain that they cannot get close to the ranged target.
Also- If you are referring to expoits around the animation, for example the "rangber Jump shot" well that is just a silly way to stop an animation. I played em all, this is super simple. Enjoy it, just don't sell it as something more than it is.
1)No i did not read all your post, i lost interest in what you had to say with the word "GRIND" in the topic - i was merely pointing out i had just done a indepth quest with lots of tit bits inbetween and a group needed ending with my own personal movie! Ontop it gave me a huge amount of XP, thus reducing the "GRIND!?!!?!?"
2)Where did i say WoW was a Kiddie game? I love wow just dont play it, if you wanted my opinion.
3)" And I will then enjoy what the creative people create. Cool, just a different gaming expectation and experience, I will admit that you, in my humble opinion are what went wrong with MMO's. That is not a slam, just a personal observation of what perhaps the masses with their subscription dollar are asking for."
Your opinion is not humble. You have no backbone behind your accusation/was that an insult? You need to wake up mate, go put your head back in a book or maybe a board game? The games industry is changing, mmo's have changed - for the better... have you not realised everything is just a copy/smoothed out version of its predecessor. If you dont like change, you should start trying to.
IN MY NOT SO HUMBLE opinion, you have no idea what it is you want, you didn't get it here and feel that "GRIND" justifies your dissapointment... Get back on the console and play some fable2. Not a slam just a suggestion.
It was not an insult and that is why "backbone" was not required "mate". It is just that I am into creativity and experiencing it, you are not. This is based on your statement.
"I dont remember the story or what the npc chat was, but ive never read the bs thats in the quest info. Thats why alot of MMO's now have a quest helper of some sort to cut out the BS."
Where is the insult in that. Also, I do not want to play tabletop, I want an MMO that incorporates PVE. I like adventuring with friends, online, not rushing through quests to get to the next as fast I can, you dig that, me not so much. I do not like spawn camping and rushing, are you saying that i am alone in my wishes for this type of MMO? That the only seller will be those that have suffered what I think is not "evolution" you refer to, but what seems to be more of the de-evolution and mass-simplification of the genre?
word man.. go play lineage2 or FFXI online.. been in ''end game'' on both.. 3yrs on L2 - 1yr 4months on FFXI and believe me when i say i have been grinding in few games..
i dont know what you guys are sweating about.. there hasnt been any grinding so far for me on aion (lv28)
you guys dont deserve games like Aion.. go back to play tetris..
oh and also.. even WoW is a massive grinder if you ppl define grinding as quests that have kill x this go to blaa blaa.. collect X amount of blaa blaa.. actually every mmo these days has em.. except social MMO's.. tho who cares about them.. go try those out.. prolly suits u cry-babies better..
i define grinding as this -> no quests in few lvls and advancing in levels requires hundreds of mobs being killed (e.g 1 mob of few lvls higher than avatar = 0,08%-0.12% xp or even better.. 0.002% per mob as in 9D higher lvls).. as altairzq said.. you guys dont know what grind is.. as Aion has no actual grinding in it (so far atleast) and neither it is a WoW clone (waiting for those posts) WoW is a wolf in sheeps clothes when it comes to cloning UI's etc.. and some idiot people even think theyre original.. anyways i hate these newage ''gamers'' whining about ''grinding'' tho also gotta love em in a way.. getting good laughs from them
I'm busting right out the creases, fuck your white jesus..
you're blinded by the light of deceivers and disbelievers
the real truth right in front of you
i am everyone and none of you..
I don't need "fresh, new ideas" to enjoy a game. I'm certainly not against it either. Out of the newer mmos this one has been the most fun for me so far. That could always change. I don't work for NCSoft and I'm not a long time follower of this game so if it goes downhill or turns to shit then so be it.
You never know though. AoC was fun until you got out of Tortage and as lacking as the PvE was in Warhammer the PvP was fun until you reached T4 so my opinion could always change. As for now I'm having fun with it. Sorry you didn't but to each their own. None of these newer mmos have any fresh, new ideas that I've seen. So for me it boils down to what I enjoy playing at the time which for now is Aion. Will I feel that way 6 months or a year from now? I couldn't say but so far it's been entertaining.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
word man.. go play lineage2 or FFXI online.. been in ''end game'' on both.. 3yrs on L2 - 1yr 4months on FFXI and believe me when i say i have been grinding in few games..
i dont know what you guys are sweating about.. there hasnt been any grinding so far for me on aion (lv28)
you guys dont deserve games like Aion.. go back to play tetris..
oh and also.. even WoW is a massive grinder if you ppl define grinding as quests that have kill x this go to blaa blaa.. collect X amount of blaa blaa.. actually every mmo these days has em.. except social MMO's.. tho who cares about them.. go try those out.. prolly suits u cry-babies better
lol dude most who complain about grind have been spoon fed by wow for years so they probably never saw or played lineage 2 lol
i played wow 3 years and its not a grind at all compared to lineage 2
and if it is most have ways to go around that in wow,the one that gets it hard in wow are the one that do the raid say the first few run ,before blizzard take those raid 1 or two notch down because most feel its too hard
quality PvE in MMOs?? i thought it was called GRIND...
Why is everyone calling this a typical eastern grinder????? You grind no more or less then EVERY otther western MMO out here. It has nothing to do with it being a eastern themed game.
Course, I can't get pissed about it cause if it didn't have that eastern look you would just say its your typical wow clone.
So which is it? WoW clone? Eastern grinder?
Or maybe perhaps trolls that don't like MMO's in general should just stop playing MMO and stop posting here like they actually know something.