quality PvE in MMOs?? i thought it was called GRIND...
MMOs can have fun and entertaining quest lines. I typically find the ones that add a element of humor to also be entertaining. There are quests in Aion that could be fun, but NCsoft misses the boat alot. The cute frog is a great example. The quest is fun when you can find her quickly but non fun when you have an hour wait time while everybody spams macros trying to get the frog.
Like i have posted many other times ppl are 41 now just little over a week into the game ? http://na.aiononline.com/livestatus/ranking/playerlist . Now show where the grind is when i get tells all day long about "Power lvl for you 1-40 $ 200.00 in 7 days" ??? How fast do you want to lvl ? PPL bitch you lvl too fast and there is no end game (AoC) then ppl bitch it takes too long to max lvl (FFXI) ? So where do you draw the line
Played Aoc/DDO/FFXI/WAR / LoTRo / CO / Aion Playing Rift
Waiting for FFXIV to be the game it should. so sad =(
No matter what you do, some people will never, and I mean NEVER EVER be happy. Actually, i guess the one thing that makes them happy is complaining and trying to detory somethng, anything.
When I said i had "time", i meant virtual time, i got no RL "time" for you.
I tried it to lvl 22 and I will admit the game is fairly nice to look at, definately top 5 grahics-wise, but not nearly as impressive as the hype- This is not a comment on end game or PvP. It is about an immersive quality, PvE experience. Conan and Lotro are more detailed and prettier imo. Wings are cool, but the story details and the quests to support that story are clearly 'bolt-on' (although overall world history/concept is cool) . Every single quest is kill this, grab that. And you will run, alot. Needs mounts, the flying is used in a small portion of the PvE experience, so far. Also, the lack of many instances ruin the game imo. Instances help with immersion and this game is really a means to get to end game, made pretty. It's a grind unless you do not consider endless running around and kill x quests, not grind. I think that it is personally. Writing real story chains and solid mission chains requires alot of creative effort and the quests in this game are simply using game mechanics; chanigng the scene, monster and rewards, over and over and over again. Nothing custom hardly at all. There are a few lame cut scenes. Also the crafting is very unimaginative imo. The game has merit, but if you are a person who also likes PvE, I would be shocked if you do not end up as bored as I am. Cannot bring myself to login... If you need immersion on the way to end-game, this is not it. One gamers .02
You judging a video game at under half level, is like some level 35 on WoW telling me PvE in WoW is horrid because SM Library is gay and getting old.
Get a clue, all you people who quit games before you reach max level and see what the game has to offer, astound me, You're so blind.
Grats on wasting your money to pay for a game you aren't even going to try to max level. I afterall thought that was the POINT of playing a new MMO.
Why do you think WoW hardly loses players to other games ? Because they see they can do the same thing in WoW as they can do in Aion except the flying thing but WoW has mounts so no need to fly. Aion is just a typical vanilla mmo, nothing more. This game is centered around pvp so it won't be long before this game completely fails in the NA/US. PvP centric mmos do not succeed in the NA/US.
Like i have posted many other times ppl are 41 now just little over a week into the game ? http://na.aiononline.com/livestatus/ranking/playerlist . Now show where the grind is when i get tells all day long about "Power lvl for you 1-40 $ 200.00 in 7 days" ??? How fast do you want to lvl ? PPL bitch you lvl too fast and there is no end game (AoC) then ppl bitch it takes too long to max lvl (FFXI) ? So where do you draw the line
your right
in some game its too fast in some game its too slow
gamer are rarelly fully satistied
i think aion as a good leveling speed no too fast not too slow
but then wow was speeded up each expension so leveling at vanilla wow speed for a lot will take getting used too
I like how Aion questing makes you talk to sixteen different people before they eventually give you quests that pretty much makes you kill every single monster type in the area and then gather every single resource in the area. It's like... partake of our story... but this is all we've got... go kill 12 Moss Spirits and 10 Vespines. Yeah this game is pretty grindy. Just look at the plethora of 0/100 repeat quests in the game. In most cases the quests aren't even worth doing. Just find mobs your level or level +1 and grind them and you'll end up leveling quite a bit faster. The problem with Aion grinding is that the basic gameplay is so "been there,done that!".
I tried it to lvl 22 and I will admit the game is fairly nice to look at, definately top 5 grahics-wise, but not nearly as impressive as the hype- This is not a comment on end game or PvP. It is about an immersive quality, PvE experience. Conan and Lotro are more detailed and prettier imo. Wings are cool, but the story details and the quests to support that story are clearly 'bolt-on' (although overall world history/concept is cool) . Every single quest is kill this, grab that. And you will run, alot. Needs mounts, the flying is used in a small portion of the PvE experience, so far. Also, the lack of many instances ruin the game imo. Instances help with immersion and this game is really a means to get to end game, made pretty. It's a grind unless you do not consider endless running around and kill x quests, not grind. I think that it is personally. Writing real story chains and solid mission chains requires alot of creative effort and the quests in this game are simply using game mechanics; chanigng the scene, monster and rewards, over and over and over again. Nothing custom hardly at all. There are a few lame cut scenes. Also the crafting is very unimaginative imo. The game has merit, but if you are a person who also likes PvE, I would be shocked if you do not end up as bored as I am. Cannot bring myself to login... If you need immersion on the way to end-game, this is not it. One gamers .02
You judging a video game at under half level, is like some level 35 on WoW telling me PvE in WoW is horrid because SM Library is gay and getting old.
Get a clue, all you people who quit games before you reach max level and see what the game has to offer, astound me, You're so blind.
Grats on wasting your money to pay for a game you aren't even going to try to max level. I afterall thought that was the POINT of playing a new MMO.
Some of us are smart enough to realize that the game isn't worth it for us before our /played get into weeks. If we don't want to spend literally days of our lives playing a game that we may not even like... that's hardly a position that you can find much fault with. I mean, I made it to the Abyss... ran around and PvPed, and I just wasn't very impressed at all. How much more of the game do I really need to see to make a judgement call on whether or not the game would be a worthwhile investment? If a game feels stale at 28, after you've been playing and PvPing in the Abyss, the game is more than likely going to feel pretty stale at 50 too, where the end game is still focused around the exact same thing.
I tried it to lvl 22 and I will admit the game is fairly nice to look at, definately top 5 grahics-wise, but not nearly as impressive as the hype- This is not a comment on end game or PvP. It is about an immersive quality, PvE experience. Conan and Lotro are more detailed and prettier imo. Wings are cool, but the story details and the quests to support that story are clearly 'bolt-on' (although overall world history/concept is cool) . Every single quest is kill this, grab that. And you will run, alot. Needs mounts, the flying is used in a small portion of the PvE experience, so far. Also, the lack of many instances ruin the game imo. Instances help with immersion and this game is really a means to get to end game, made pretty. It's a grind unless you do not consider endless running around and kill x quests, not grind. I think that it is personally. Writing real story chains and solid mission chains requires alot of creative effort and the quests in this game are simply using game mechanics; chanigng the scene, monster and rewards, over and over and over again. Nothing custom hardly at all. There are a few lame cut scenes. Also the crafting is very unimaginative imo. The game has merit, but if you are a person who also likes PvE, I would be shocked if you do not end up as bored as I am. Cannot bring myself to login... If you need immersion on the way to end-game, this is not it. One gamers .02
You judging a video game at under half level, is like some level 35 on WoW telling me PvE in WoW is horrid because SM Library is gay and getting old.
Get a clue, all you people who quit games before you reach max level and see what the game has to offer, astound me, You're so blind.
Grats on wasting your money to pay for a game you aren't even going to try to max level. I afterall thought that was the POINT of playing a new MMO.
Some of us are smart enough to realize that the game isn't worth it for us before our /played get into weeks. If we don't want to spend literally days of our lives playing a game that we may not even like... that's hardly a position that you can find much fault with. I mean, I made it to the Abyss... ran around and PvPed, and I just wasn't very impressed at all. How much more of the game do I really need to see to make a judgement call on whether or not the game would be a worthwhile investment? If a game feels stale at 28, after you've been playing and PvPing in the Abyss, the game is more than likely going to feel pretty stale at 50 too, where the end game is still focused around the exact same thing.
You honestly can't say any of that. You miss so much end game. WoW is NOTHING like I thought it would be before I got to 80, it was actually a bit better. You're comparing running SM Library and saying "well this game isn't for me" besides raiding Ulduar dude, it makes no sense.
You saying you can "tell" if a game is good, without experiencing any raid content end game, or any of the end game perks is like telling me you can read the future, because you aren't experiencing anything the game has to offer.
Yeah you PvPed at a low level, thats like saying you just started PvPing on WoW at level 19 and getting 1-2 shot by twinks and said you hate it, yeah man you explored PvP well-through LMFAO. You did no arena and experienced class balance (and imbalance LOL).
Saying a game is stale at 28... WoW is stale at 28, WoW is stale all the way until 80 are you kidding me? The same boring quests we've all done a million times, the same 2 battlegrounds, the same boring skill-less instances a Ret Paladin can main heal versus 80 where you need gear and spec to be able to heal even half good.
LOL..grind??? Have none of you play Everquest? A grind is when you are spending all day going through a Hell Level sitting in the Lake of Ill Omen Zone. ALL DAY...KILLING THE SAME NPCS OVER AND OVER..and we loved it! You spend an hour and a half on a level and whine that it is a grind....ridiculous....kids these days
Apparently 90% of people have appointed themselves as professional MMO juges who's opinion is fact.
I can't believe some of the absolute rubbish I'm reading here.
I'm not going to say that Aion is great, or that WoW is 10X better, because to be quite frank it would be like comparing the car you have driven for the last 10 years of your life to the most recent model of that car which you got to sit in and not even turn the engine on.
How on earth are you comparing a game when NONE of you have experienced the end game content?
Absurd. If you play MMO's to experience the leveling quests, the grind, leveling professions, then quit when you reach end level - sure, your views count towards this audience.
Let's put it into another perspective. Let's say it takes the average gamer 3 months to reach max level. Let's assume that the average gamer plays Aion for 4 years. Let's also set aside 2 months per year following the first devoted to pure leveling - alt, higher level cap etc.
Keeping in mind that this is a generous amount of time, this equates to 3 + 2 + 2 + 2 = 9 months of leveling.
4 years X 12 months = 48 Months
48 - 9 = 39
This assumption, which is very genourous, is then turned into a percentage.
9 of 48 is 18.75%, ONLY 18.75% OF YOUR TIME PLAYING AION IN THE NEXT 4 YEARS IS RELATED TO LEVELING.
But why stop there? So far, the game has been out for (say) 1.5 weeks
which of the three months leveling expected in the initial year, is equivalent to experiencing 18% of the leveling content.
18 % of 18.75% is 3.38% of the game, 0% of which is end game content.
So, statistically you are all carrying on over about 3.38% of Aion.
If that isn't jumping to conclusions, then I don't know what is.
No matter what you do, some people will never, and I mean NEVER EVER be happy. Actually, i guess the one thing that makes them happy is complaining and trying to detory somethng, anything.
No, just in a game like this, a well made WoW copycat MMO with a horrible direction....grinding sucks period and most MMOs will have it up the A, but this game really takes the cake....Warhammer at least had the courtesy of giving PvP content early on in the game even though the rest of the game sucked.
Forcing "PvP" players to grind this much to get anywhere is just a really bad idea and it's leaving this game feeling stale and boring, it's like watching a beautiful painting decay away after a 1000 years of erosion......=(
The REAL problem is the gamers. Apparently 90% of people have appointed themselves as professional MMO juges who's opinion is fact. I can't believe some of the absolute rubbish I'm reading here. I'm not going to say that Aion is great, or that WoW is 10X better, because to be quite frank it would be like comparing the car you have driven for the last 10 years of your life to the most recent model of that car which you got to sit in and not even turn the engine on. How on earth are you comparing a game when NONE of you have experienced the end game content? Absurd. If you play MMO's to experience the leveling quests, the grind, leveling professions, then quit when you reach end level - sure, your views count towards this audience. Let's put it into another perspective. Let's say it takes the average gamer 3 months to reach max level. Let's assume that the average gamer plays Aion for 4 years. Let's also set aside 2 months per year following the first devoted to pure leveling - alt, higher level cap etc. Keeping in mind that this is a generous amount of time, this equates to 3 + 2 + 2 + 2 = 9 months of leveling. 4 years X 12 months = 48 Months 48 - 9 = 39 This assumption, which is very genourous, is then turned into a percentage. 9 of 48 is 18.75%, ONLY 18.75% OF YOUR TIME PLAYING AION IN THE NEXT 4 YEARS IS RELATED TO LEVELING. But why stop there? So far, the game has been out for (say) 1.5 weeks which of the three months leveling expected in the initial year, is equivalent to experiencing 18% of the leveling content. 18 % of 18.75% is 3.38% of the game, 0% of which is end game content. So, statistically you are all carrying on over about 3.38% of Aion. If that isn't jumping to conclusions, then I don't know what is.
You know if you are going to enjoy a meal after a few mouthfulls - you dont need to finish off the entire meal to judge it. If people didnt jump to conclusions before judging something in this case a game, then people would have to endure the entire game for this elusive 'amazing endgame content' that fanboys often waffle on about, I prefer not to waste money on a poor product and more importantly waste my time pretending that playing a game all way through is the only way to decide if a game is good.
I think that no amount of end-game goodness can save a game for a player who feels burdened by the boredom that is leveling in this game. You can say that one isn't entitled to an opinion before seeing this ever-elusive end-game but atleast for me it starts to feel too much; queues together with a lack of innovation on the leveling experience makes me a sad camper. And before you say WoW this and that, I can safely say that the first time over in WoW I felt epic adventures with my toon running instances and doing glorious questlines (back then Scarlet Monastery was pretty darn badass). You cannot compare first-time experience to one you get when you have done the same thing dozen times over. I still remember first time driving a car was fun and exciting but as a daily chore it is very much the opposite...
The bait on Aion that is PvP is set too far ahead. You can call me a carebear or a cupcake lover but atleast I want to enjoy the game from the first hour. Frankly, at times I feel like grinding to level 150 on some silly MUD where only source of experience was killing giants. Back then I just didn't know of better multiplayer experience but now that there is a plethora of options this game's leveling environment is hostile enough for me to get desperate. Aion just doesn't give me enough of a reason to log in for a bit of grind that might some day reward me with good experience. I don't mind if the leveling will be a fraction of my total game time as currently it is roughly 100% of my game time and that is 100% pure boredom.
Well, pve isnt just quests, its also dungeons and raiding bosses. And the fact it that im having more fun doing dungeons in aion than i had in a long time on wow.
true, wow's pve is crap right now, a bunch of aoe tank and spank instances and raids, but the fact is that dungeons here brought back the challenge, the strategies, the crowd control, everything i loved in old wow and some other games ive played before, so im happy, and ill stick to aion for some time.
The REAL problem is the gamers. Apparently 90% of people have appointed themselves as professional MMO juges who's opinion is fact. I can't believe some of the absolute rubbish I'm reading here. I'm not going to say that Aion is great, or that WoW is 10X better, because to be quite frank it would be like comparing the car you have driven for the last 10 years of your life to the most recent model of that car which you got to sit in and not even turn the engine on. How on earth are you comparing a game when NONE of you have experienced the end game content? Absurd. If you play MMO's to experience the leveling quests, the grind, leveling professions, then quit when you reach end level - sure, your views count towards this audience. Let's put it into another perspective. Let's say it takes the average gamer 3 months to reach max level. Let's assume that the average gamer plays Aion for 4 years. Let's also set aside 2 months per year following the first devoted to pure leveling - alt, higher level cap etc. Keeping in mind that this is a generous amount of time, this equates to 3 + 2 + 2 + 2 = 9 months of leveling. 4 years X 12 months = 48 Months 48 - 9 = 39 This assumption, which is very genourous, is then turned into a percentage. 9 of 48 is 18.75%, ONLY 18.75% OF YOUR TIME PLAYING AION IN THE NEXT 4 YEARS IS RELATED TO LEVELING. But why stop there? So far, the game has been out for (say) 1.5 weeks which of the three months leveling expected in the initial year, is equivalent to experiencing 18% of the leveling content. 18 % of 18.75% is 3.38% of the game, 0% of which is end game content. So, statistically you are all carrying on over about 3.38% of Aion. If that isn't jumping to conclusions, then I don't know what is.
You know if you are going to enjoy a meal after a few mouthfulls - you dont need to finish off the entire meal to judge it. If people didnt jump to conclusions before judging something in this case a game, then people would have to endure the entire game for this elusive 'amazing endgame content' that fanboys often waffle on about, I prefer not to waste money on a poor product and more importantly waste my time pretending that playing a game all way through is the only way to decide if a game is good.
Hi,
you didn't even eat a mouthful of the meal yet.
you have just seen it, maybe smelt it.
You also didn't read my post in its entirety or did not understand. Please see 'relativity'
Edit: even better, you have only eaten the green vegetables from the meal you are judging and you have come to a conclusion already (FYI the meal is a meat dish with a side of vegetables)
Apparently 90% of people have appointed themselves as professional MMO juges who's opinion is fact.[/quote]
Not that I believe they are 'right', but who exactly do you think that the games are made FOR??
The gamers. So, they are generally the best judges for what they feel happy to pay money for to be honest. The designers who produce games purely for what they believe is right without taking feedback into account are destined for FAIL.
Do you really believe WoW would have gotten this far without taking gamers' feedback on board and making changes to their own game? No. Most, if not all of the changes they have made in expansions and patches come from gamer feedback and suggestion.
Their original design concept and game has changed radically over the last few years - mainly, because if it hadn't they would have lost vast quantities of players.
Now, aside from that, if I buy a game I generally have an expectation that I will enjoy playing it from the beginning. I DONT buy a game, thinking : Right, now I've paid for this, I'll spend the next 6 months doing something I hate so that I MIGHT enjoy the game....perhaps.... at some stage....
As all good developers and publishers know, the first 4-6 hours of any game are crucial to its longevity. If it doesn't hook the player in with the promise of great reward early on, they will never continue to play the game to its end-content. This is why some companies spend masses on their Tutorials and early game play. It doesn't matter if you have a huge fantastic dungeon at level 795 that players will go AMAGAD! at, and play every day. If they never play it because you drove them off with poor gameplay at the start, then it's as good as useless.
Like a good book, the first chapter is crucial....
Well, pve isnt just quests, its also dungeons and raiding bosses. And the fact it that im having more fun doing dungeons in aion than i had in a long time on wow. true, wow's pve is crap right now, a bunch of aoe tank and spank instances and raids, but the fact is that dungeons here brought back the challenge, the strategies, the crowd control, everything i loved in old wow and some other games ive played before, so im happy, and ill stick to aion for some time.
WoW's PVE crap compared to ... Aoin ? Oh I see 3500 hours played ....
The problem is you want desperately that new mmo experience a game you played for 4000 hours (sic) (looking through the footnote) doesn't give you anymore.
Let me guess: you are bored and want more of it. It will be nice to see the length of "some time". On average that means 3 months after which you'll be the worst offender of poor Aion.
Want a real mmorpg? Play WOW with experience turned off mode and be Pve_Pvp King at any level without a rat race.
Hi, you didn't even eat a mouthful of the meal yet. you have just seen it, maybe smelt it. You also didn't read my post in its entirety or did not understand. Please see 'relativity'
Edit: even better, you have only eaten the green vegetables from the meal you are judging and you have come to a conclusion already (FYI the meal is a meat dish with a side of vegetables)
How do you evaluate whine?
Let me spell it out:
First smell it, then you taste it, you hold it in your mouth and then spit it out !.
Then you order the crate and buy the whine by (at least) a dozen bottles.
Or you say: nah it's not my taste.
But of course a lot of people just buy the bottle and drink it without critically tasting it.
By emptying the third bottle in a row in one big swallow, they don't know anymore if its whine or Coke.
These people just drink it after which they wake up the next morning (read MMO time 2 months later) and see the taste afterwards when they look with a headache in the mirror.
Some people don't have the same quality of taste. They just drink because they are VERY thursty and the new whine is being promoted.
Want a real mmorpg? Play WOW with experience turned off mode and be Pve_Pvp King at any level without a rat race.
You(we!), the gamers, are the ones the games made for. So you should bloody well be kept happy. (sums up your entire post)
But, does your experience playing Aion for 1 week, reading 1 chapter of Feist's "Magician", eating the ice cream out of an iced-coffee.... give you enough information to expand your limited experience and, in effect, interpolate the remainder of the game/novel/coffee based on this? (There was no caffiene in the ice cream and I fell asleep, this coffee is terrible if you need to stay awake)
I'm not debating that games are made for gamers and that if the gamers aren't happy with the game they shouldn't play it for promise of things to come. I'm debating the legitimacy of people "reviewing" the unbelievable small and biased portion of the game they have played and THEN concluding that the game sucks/owns.
All I'm saying is, sure, share your experience, but is there really a need to prove to everyone else that the game rocks/sucks? and furthermore, you are trying to impose your impression of the game without really playing it...
in truth, all posts so far should say "THIS GAME SUCKED/ROCKED BECAUSE OF X AND Y, but I only played about 1 weeks worth, so beyond that I'm not sure what the game is like"
But that ruins your imposition, and so things are not considered in context resulting in posts being complete and utter bullcrap.
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MMOs can have fun and entertaining quest lines. I typically find the ones that add a element of humor to also be entertaining. There are quests in Aion that could be fun, but NCsoft misses the boat alot. The cute frog is a great example. The quest is fun when you can find her quickly but non fun when you have an hour wait time while everybody spams macros trying to get the frog.
Like i have posted many other times ppl are 41 now just little over a week into the game ? http://na.aiononline.com/livestatus/ranking/playerlist . Now show where the grind is when i get tells all day long about "Power lvl for you 1-40 $ 200.00 in 7 days" ??? How fast do you want to lvl ? PPL bitch you lvl too fast and there is no end game (AoC) then ppl bitch it takes too long to max lvl (FFXI) ? So where do you draw the line
Played Aoc/DDO/FFXI/WAR / LoTRo / CO / Aion
Playing Rift
Waiting for FFXIV to be the game it should. so sad =(
No matter what you do, some people will never, and I mean NEVER EVER be happy. Actually, i guess the one thing that makes them happy is complaining and trying to detory somethng, anything.
When I said i had "time", i meant virtual time, i got no RL "time" for you.
You judging a video game at under half level, is like some level 35 on WoW telling me PvE in WoW is horrid because SM Library is gay and getting old.
Get a clue, all you people who quit games before you reach max level and see what the game has to offer, astound me, You're so blind.
Grats on wasting your money to pay for a game you aren't even going to try to max level. I afterall thought that was the POINT of playing a new MMO.
Why do you think WoW hardly loses players to other games ? Because they see they can do the same thing in WoW as they can do in Aion except the flying thing but WoW has mounts so no need to fly. Aion is just a typical vanilla mmo, nothing more. This game is centered around pvp so it won't be long before this game completely fails in the NA/US. PvP centric mmos do not succeed in the NA/US.
your right
in some game its too fast in some game its too slow
gamer are rarelly fully satistied
i think aion as a good leveling speed no too fast not too slow
but then wow was speeded up each expension so leveling at vanilla wow speed for a lot will take getting used too
I like how Aion questing makes you talk to sixteen different people before they eventually give you quests that pretty much makes you kill every single monster type in the area and then gather every single resource in the area. It's like... partake of our story... but this is all we've got... go kill 12 Moss Spirits and 10 Vespines. Yeah this game is pretty grindy. Just look at the plethora of 0/100 repeat quests in the game. In most cases the quests aren't even worth doing. Just find mobs your level or level +1 and grind them and you'll end up leveling quite a bit faster. The problem with Aion grinding is that the basic gameplay is so "been there,done that!".
You judging a video game at under half level, is like some level 35 on WoW telling me PvE in WoW is horrid because SM Library is gay and getting old.
Get a clue, all you people who quit games before you reach max level and see what the game has to offer, astound me, You're so blind.
Grats on wasting your money to pay for a game you aren't even going to try to max level. I afterall thought that was the POINT of playing a new MMO.
Some of us are smart enough to realize that the game isn't worth it for us before our /played get into weeks. If we don't want to spend literally days of our lives playing a game that we may not even like... that's hardly a position that you can find much fault with. I mean, I made it to the Abyss... ran around and PvPed, and I just wasn't very impressed at all. How much more of the game do I really need to see to make a judgement call on whether or not the game would be a worthwhile investment? If a game feels stale at 28, after you've been playing and PvPing in the Abyss, the game is more than likely going to feel pretty stale at 50 too, where the end game is still focused around the exact same thing.
You judging a video game at under half level, is like some level 35 on WoW telling me PvE in WoW is horrid because SM Library is gay and getting old.
Get a clue, all you people who quit games before you reach max level and see what the game has to offer, astound me, You're so blind.
Grats on wasting your money to pay for a game you aren't even going to try to max level. I afterall thought that was the POINT of playing a new MMO.
Some of us are smart enough to realize that the game isn't worth it for us before our /played get into weeks. If we don't want to spend literally days of our lives playing a game that we may not even like... that's hardly a position that you can find much fault with. I mean, I made it to the Abyss... ran around and PvPed, and I just wasn't very impressed at all. How much more of the game do I really need to see to make a judgement call on whether or not the game would be a worthwhile investment? If a game feels stale at 28, after you've been playing and PvPing in the Abyss, the game is more than likely going to feel pretty stale at 50 too, where the end game is still focused around the exact same thing.
You honestly can't say any of that. You miss so much end game. WoW is NOTHING like I thought it would be before I got to 80, it was actually a bit better. You're comparing running SM Library and saying "well this game isn't for me" besides raiding Ulduar dude, it makes no sense.
You saying you can "tell" if a game is good, without experiencing any raid content end game, or any of the end game perks is like telling me you can read the future, because you aren't experiencing anything the game has to offer.
Yeah you PvPed at a low level, thats like saying you just started PvPing on WoW at level 19 and getting 1-2 shot by twinks and said you hate it, yeah man you explored PvP well-through LMFAO. You did no arena and experienced class balance (and imbalance LOL).
Saying a game is stale at 28... WoW is stale at 28, WoW is stale all the way until 80 are you kidding me? The same boring quests we've all done a million times, the same 2 battlegrounds, the same boring skill-less instances a Ret Paladin can main heal versus 80 where you need gear and spec to be able to heal even half good.
LOL..grind??? Have none of you play Everquest? A grind is when you are spending all day going through a Hell Level sitting in the Lake of Ill Omen Zone. ALL DAY...KILLING THE SAME NPCS OVER AND OVER..and we loved it! You spend an hour and a half on a level and whine that it is a grind....ridiculous....kids these days
Not true. See EQ2.
Current MMO: WoW/GW2
The REAL problem is the gamers.
Apparently 90% of people have appointed themselves as professional MMO juges who's opinion is fact.
I can't believe some of the absolute rubbish I'm reading here.
I'm not going to say that Aion is great, or that WoW is 10X better, because to be quite frank it would be like comparing the car you have driven for the last 10 years of your life to the most recent model of that car which you got to sit in and not even turn the engine on.
How on earth are you comparing a game when NONE of you have experienced the end game content?
Absurd. If you play MMO's to experience the leveling quests, the grind, leveling professions, then quit when you reach end level - sure, your views count towards this audience.
Let's put it into another perspective. Let's say it takes the average gamer 3 months to reach max level. Let's assume that the average gamer plays Aion for 4 years. Let's also set aside 2 months per year following the first devoted to pure leveling - alt, higher level cap etc.
Keeping in mind that this is a generous amount of time, this equates to 3 + 2 + 2 + 2 = 9 months of leveling.
4 years X 12 months = 48 Months
48 - 9 = 39
This assumption, which is very genourous, is then turned into a percentage.
9 of 48 is 18.75%, ONLY 18.75% OF YOUR TIME PLAYING AION IN THE NEXT 4 YEARS IS RELATED TO LEVELING.
But why stop there? So far, the game has been out for (say) 1.5 weeks
which of the three months leveling expected in the initial year, is equivalent to experiencing 18% of the leveling content.
18 % of 18.75% is 3.38% of the game, 0% of which is end game content.
So, statistically you are all carrying on over about 3.38% of Aion.
If that isn't jumping to conclusions, then I don't know what is.
No, just in a game like this, a well made WoW copycat MMO with a horrible direction....grinding sucks period and most MMOs will have it up the A, but this game really takes the cake....Warhammer at least had the courtesy of giving PvP content early on in the game even though the rest of the game sucked.
Forcing "PvP" players to grind this much to get anywhere is just a really bad idea and it's leaving this game feeling stale and boring, it's like watching a beautiful painting decay away after a 1000 years of erosion......=(
You know if you are going to enjoy a meal after a few mouthfulls - you dont need to finish off the entire meal to judge it. If people didnt jump to conclusions before judging something in this case a game, then people would have to endure the entire game for this elusive 'amazing endgame content' that fanboys often waffle on about, I prefer not to waste money on a poor product and more importantly waste my time pretending that playing a game all way through is the only way to decide if a game is good.
I think that no amount of end-game goodness can save a game for a player who feels burdened by the boredom that is leveling in this game. You can say that one isn't entitled to an opinion before seeing this ever-elusive end-game but atleast for me it starts to feel too much; queues together with a lack of innovation on the leveling experience makes me a sad camper. And before you say WoW this and that, I can safely say that the first time over in WoW I felt epic adventures with my toon running instances and doing glorious questlines (back then Scarlet Monastery was pretty darn badass). You cannot compare first-time experience to one you get when you have done the same thing dozen times over. I still remember first time driving a car was fun and exciting but as a daily chore it is very much the opposite...
The bait on Aion that is PvP is set too far ahead. You can call me a carebear or a cupcake lover but atleast I want to enjoy the game from the first hour. Frankly, at times I feel like grinding to level 150 on some silly MUD where only source of experience was killing giants. Back then I just didn't know of better multiplayer experience but now that there is a plethora of options this game's leveling environment is hostile enough for me to get desperate. Aion just doesn't give me enough of a reason to log in for a bit of grind that might some day reward me with good experience. I don't mind if the leveling will be a fraction of my total game time as currently it is roughly 100% of my game time and that is 100% pure boredom.
Isn't the real problem that at least you must have fun while you adventure in a game.
The goal is to adventure in a world, having fun discovering that world and advance you character, wether if it is at level 4 or 44 or end game
The moment you even "think" in levels and "levels" become your goal, the game ended as an adventure and becomes grind.
"Now I have to kill 70 more monsters to reach level 34" means game X as an adventure fails.
Want a real mmorpg? Play WOW with experience turned off mode and be Pve_Pvp King at any level without a rat race.
Well, pve isnt just quests, its also dungeons and raiding bosses. And the fact it that im having more fun doing dungeons in aion than i had in a long time on wow.
true, wow's pve is crap right now, a bunch of aoe tank and spank instances and raids, but the fact is that dungeons here brought back the challenge, the strategies, the crowd control, everything i loved in old wow and some other games ive played before, so im happy, and ill stick to aion for some time.
You know if you are going to enjoy a meal after a few mouthfulls - you dont need to finish off the entire meal to judge it. If people didnt jump to conclusions before judging something in this case a game, then people would have to endure the entire game for this elusive 'amazing endgame content' that fanboys often waffle on about, I prefer not to waste money on a poor product and more importantly waste my time pretending that playing a game all way through is the only way to decide if a game is good.
Hi,
you didn't even eat a mouthful of the meal yet.
you have just seen it, maybe smelt it.
You also didn't read my post in its entirety or did not understand. Please see 'relativity'
Edit: even better, you have only eaten the green vegetables from the meal you are judging and you have come to a conclusion already (FYI the meal is a meat dish with a side of vegetables)
[quote]The REAL problem is the gamers.
Apparently 90% of people have appointed themselves as professional MMO juges who's opinion is fact.[/quote]
Not that I believe they are 'right', but who exactly do you think that the games are made FOR??
The gamers. So, they are generally the best judges for what they feel happy to pay money for to be honest. The designers who produce games purely for what they believe is right without taking feedback into account are destined for FAIL.
Do you really believe WoW would have gotten this far without taking gamers' feedback on board and making changes to their own game? No. Most, if not all of the changes they have made in expansions and patches come from gamer feedback and suggestion.
Their original design concept and game has changed radically over the last few years - mainly, because if it hadn't they would have lost vast quantities of players.
Now, aside from that, if I buy a game I generally have an expectation that I will enjoy playing it from the beginning. I DONT buy a game, thinking : Right, now I've paid for this, I'll spend the next 6 months doing something I hate so that I MIGHT enjoy the game....perhaps.... at some stage....
As all good developers and publishers know, the first 4-6 hours of any game are crucial to its longevity. If it doesn't hook the player in with the promise of great reward early on, they will never continue to play the game to its end-content. This is why some companies spend masses on their Tutorials and early game play. It doesn't matter if you have a huge fantastic dungeon at level 795 that players will go AMAGAD! at, and play every day. If they never play it because you drove them off with poor gameplay at the start, then it's as good as useless.
Like a good book, the first chapter is crucial....
WoW's PVE crap compared to ... Aoin ? Oh I see 3500 hours played ....
The problem is you want desperately that new mmo experience a game you played for 4000 hours (sic) (looking through the footnote) doesn't give you anymore.
Let me guess: you are bored and want more of it. It will be nice to see the length of "some time". On average that means 3 months after which you'll be the worst offender of poor Aion.
Want a real mmorpg? Play WOW with experience turned off mode and be Pve_Pvp King at any level without a rat race.
How do you evaluate whine?
Let me spell it out:
First smell it, then you taste it, you hold it in your mouth and then spit it out !.
Then you order the crate and buy the whine by (at least) a dozen bottles.
Or you say: nah it's not my taste.
But of course a lot of people just buy the bottle and drink it without critically tasting it.
By emptying the third bottle in a row in one big swallow, they don't know anymore if its whine or Coke.
These people just drink it after which they wake up the next morning (read MMO time 2 months later) and see the taste afterwards when they look with a headache in the mirror.
Some people don't have the same quality of taste. They just drink because they are VERY thursty and the new whine is being promoted.
Want a real mmorpg? Play WOW with experience turned off mode and be Pve_Pvp King at any level without a rat race.
Fair comment.
You(we!), the gamers, are the ones the games made for. So you should bloody well be kept happy. (sums up your entire post)
But, does your experience playing Aion for 1 week, reading 1 chapter of Feist's "Magician", eating the ice cream out of an iced-coffee.... give you enough information to expand your limited experience and, in effect, interpolate the remainder of the game/novel/coffee based on this? (There was no caffiene in the ice cream and I fell asleep, this coffee is terrible if you need to stay awake)
I'm not debating that games are made for gamers and that if the gamers aren't happy with the game they shouldn't play it for promise of things to come. I'm debating the legitimacy of people "reviewing" the unbelievable small and biased portion of the game they have played and THEN concluding that the game sucks/owns.
All I'm saying is, sure, share your experience, but is there really a need to prove to everyone else that the game rocks/sucks? and furthermore, you are trying to impose your impression of the game without really playing it...
in truth, all posts so far should say "THIS GAME SUCKED/ROCKED BECAUSE OF X AND Y, but I only played about 1 weeks worth, so beyond that I'm not sure what the game is like"
But that ruins your imposition, and so things are not considered in context resulting in posts being complete and utter bullcrap.