Howdy, Stranger!
It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!
Quick Links
The next film(s),series & the MMO. TV show/MMO tie in.
Kinneas
Member Posts: 29
We know there will be more films, now.
Abrams has said he wanted to do a new series if the movie did well.
Branon Bragga said at Comic Con this year: "Star Trek will definitely be back on TV."
There is news that some writers have already been pitching stories.
So what is the MMO going to do after the next films come out? More importantly, what will the MMO do when the new television series starts and how do you leverage the new films, the series and the MMO as a whole?
One possible solution is to look at what Syfy and Trion World Network are doing. A TV Show/MMO tie-in that allows the viewere to experience and even participate in unfolding events on the television show through the MMO.
Syfy had this to say:
"This is the Holy Grail for us, without a doubt," said Dave Howe, president of the Sci Fi Channel, which has teamed with Trion World Network, an on-the-rise gaming company based in Redwood City, Calif. "This is groundbreaking, and I don't say that lightly..."
"A television show that is on once a week isn't enough. The fans today want the experience to go beyond that," Howe said. "For example, we can tell them that there will be an alien invasion at a certain place in the game, at a certain time, and to be there with all their friends and be ready. The outcome depends on them. And then that battle will be part of the universe in the show."
from: http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jun/02/entertainment/et-scifi2
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
One wishes Syfy & Trion all the best.
I would like to put out there that Trek Psychologists and Social Media experts may agree that the Star Trek fan base is one of the perfect groups for this kind of idea. That Star Trek fans have unique psychological needs that can be tapped into and met by such an idea.
New broadcasting laws in North America can now allow a first run program to be broadcast simultaneously world-wide allowing all viewers and possible subscribers of a TV Show/MMO to 'stay on the same page'.
One can only imagine the number of subscribers Star Trek Online could get if it targets the entire viewing audience.
----
To end. This person hopes someone is awake at the helm at Viacom/CBS/Paramount, Bad Robot & Atari and they are also thinking about how to leverage it all as a whole.
: crosses fingers :
Comments
I actually don't like the idea of a MMO/TV tie in if any new series is set in Abrams new time line. I really liked the film but STO is not set in that time line at all. This would be like when SOE tried to incorporate Clone Wars stuff into SWG. Sure the stuff was cool but it didn't fit into the pre-existing universe they had created for the game so it just seemed cheesy at best. I personally hope that they limit the films influence on STO to the destruction of Romulas and the disappearance of Spock. These are the only two events in the new film that fit into the STO universe.
Bren
while(horse==dead)
{
beat();
}
Just another proof that star trek has been sold and commercialised. Star Trek as we know it has finnished long time ago and only this "getting last dime" from franschise has left. I wonder if it ever gonna stop.
I hope you realize Dax.9, that Star Trek has always been about making money. It was canceled once because of low ratings. That should tell you more than enough what Star Trek has been: a product being sold. Exalting it for more than that is just silly, and obsessive.
The interesting thing about the new movie was it wanted to kind of break out of the niche and open itself up to everyone again.
If a new series were to stick with the 'Prime' universe it falls back into the same trap of closing Star Trek off.
Same with the MMO. At launch and after start, let folks get in some 'Prime'...but if it is really going to bring in lots of new people it too should break out of the niche.
TNG, DS9, VOY are a niche of a niche, no?
You are wrong, first Star trek was canceled due to low rating yes, but Gene did not give up, after that he made animated series cause of limited budget and later after lot of begging and talk he pulled out star trek next generation. Everyone expected that new star trek show will fail like original one but it did not, rest is history. After next generation show got commercialised but original and next generation were not about money, they were about one's man dream.
To Kinneas: While I see your point I still have to disagree. STO will be different enough through MMO game play mechanics and original stories made by Cryptic to differentiate itself from the TOS through ENT. It will take on a life of it's own through the player base as well. All of this will make it a unique Star Trek experience without trying to blur the line between the two time lines. Also they would run the risk of seriously pissing off the Trek fan base as this would seriously step on canon. This could have the same effect on STO that the NGE had on SWG. For STO to really shine it needs support from both the MMO and Star Trek communities as if one side gets pissed off and leaves the game would suffer.
Bren
while(horse==dead)
{
beat();
}
*snorts* Dax.9, you don't even have the correct history of Star Trek on TV.
Star Trek was canceled once, then brought back after a letter campaign. This ended up forcing the Nielsen ratings system to revise itself, to take into account audiences properly.
If you think Atari is going to run millions of dollars worth of server racks and networking equipment, all as an altruistic gift to us, you're mistaken. They are doing it for the money. Thats why ST shows were made, for money. I know it sounds crass, but it makes the world go-round.
Try to remember that Star Trek was officially dead.
'Prime' killed it.
It had been loosing money a long time.
A new series will not be Prime (imo) and the MMO should follow suit.
I suppose they could make another STO...but why?
Once a new series starts...that will be Star Trek and if money IS the goal, why turn your back on a 'Holy Grail' kind of idea that is almost tailor made for the Trek fanbase.
OK this is for all people who "knows" star trek and think it is for money:
As early as 1960, Gene Roddenberry had drafted a proposal for the science fiction series which would become Star Trek. Although he publicly marketed it as a Western in outer space – a so-called "Wagon Train to the Stars" – he privately told friends that he was actually modeling it on Jonathan Swift's Gulliver's Travels, intending each episode to act on two levels: as a suspenseful adventure story and as a morality tale.
Star Trek stories usually depict the adventures of humans and aliens who serve in the Federation's Starfleet. The protagonists are essentially altruists whose ideals are sometimes only imperfectly applied to the dilemmas presented in the series. The conflicts and political dimensions of Star Trek sometimes represent allegories for contemporary cultural realities: Star Trek: The Original Series addressed issues of the 1960s, just as later spin-offs have reflected issues of their respective decades. Issues depicted in the various series include war and peace, the value of personal loyalty, authoritarianism, imperialism, class warfare, economics, racism, religion, human rights, sexism and feminism, and the role of technology.Roddenberry stated: "[By creating] a new world with new rules, I could make statements about sex, religion, Vietnam, politics, and intercontinental missiles. Indeed, we did make them on Star Trek: we were sending messages and fortunately they all got by the network."
Roddenberry intended the show to have a highly progressive political agenda reflective of the emerging counter-culture of the youth movement, though he was not fully forthcoming to the networks about this. He wanted Star Trek to show mankind what it might develop into, if only it would learn from the lessons of the past, most specifically by ending violence. An extreme example are the Vulcans, who had a very violent past but learned to control their emotions. His efforts were somewhat thwarted by the network's concerns over marketability. For example, they were opposed to Roddenberry's insistence on a racially diverse crew of the Enterprise, against the opposition of the studio.
Yea it was for money you can see that from 10 miles right ? Can you point me where it was made for money?
When the show was cancelled, owner Paramount Studios hoped to recoup its production losses by selling the syndication rights to the show. The series went into reruns in the fall of 1972, and by the late 1970s had been sold in over 150 domestic and 60 international markets. The show developed a cult following, and rumors of reviving the franchise began.
The first new Star Trek was Star Trek: The Animated Series. The series was produced by Filmation in association with Paramount Television and ran for two seasons from 1973 to 1974 on NBC, airing a total of twenty-two half-hour episodes.
The popularity of the syndicated Star Trek led Paramount Pictures and Roddenberry to begin developing a new "Star Trek Phase 2" series in May 1975. Work on the series came to an end when the proposed Paramount Television Service folded.
Following the success of the science fiction movies Star Wars and Close Encounters of the Third Kind, the planned pilot episode of Phase II was adapted into the feature film, Star Trek: The Motion Picture. The film was released in North America on December 7, 1979, with mixed reviews from critics. The film earned $139 million worldwide, which fell short of studio expectations but was enough for Paramount to propose a sequel. The studio forced Roddenberry to relinquish creative control of future sequels. In total, six star Trek feature films were produced between 1979 and 1991.
In response to Star Trek's popularity in the movie theater, the series returned to the television in the critically acclaimed series Star Trek: The Next Generation (TNG) in 1987. The show was unusual in that it was broadcast as first-run syndication rather than on a major network. Paramount and the local stations split the advertising time.
And this is how it became what it is today. So please do not go it is all about money and WE people made start trek cause you have not! Gene made star trek and thaks to his life dedication it turned out what it is today.
Well on that point we'll have to disagree also. Star Trek was wounded after Voyager but what killed it was Enterprise trying to rewrite canon in almost every episode which caused a revolt of sorts in the Star Trek community. People lot interest in Star Trek because of this as they felt "Star Trek" had abandoned them. What you are proposing would cause the same thing to happen to STO. Don't get me wrong... I thought the movie was awesome just as I think STO could be awesome. If they had designed STO to be in Abrams universe from the beginning I'd be all for it but trying to patch it in post launch would be a monumental mistake in my opinion. MMO player bases historically don't take kindly to that drastic of a change post launch.
Bren
(I personally liked Enterprise BTW... Mainly because I didn't judge it by what came before.)
while(horse==dead)
{
beat();
}
It makes me a little sad that it will proberbly be JJverse, but new trek is good trek.
I hope STO doesnt go this way, although i could see it happening eventually. Or prehaps an expansion.
OK this is for all people who "knows" star trek and think it is for money:
As early as 1960, Gene Roddenberry had drafted a proposal for the science fiction series which would become Star Trek. Although he publicly marketed it as a Western in outer space – a so-called "Wagon Train to the Stars" – he privately told friends that he was actually modeling it on Jonathan Swift's Gulliver's Travels, intending each episode to act on two levels: as a suspenseful adventure story and as a morality tale.
Star Trek stories usually depict the adventures of humans and aliens who serve in the Federation's Starfleet. The protagonists are essentially altruists whose ideals are sometimes only imperfectly applied to the dilemmas presented in the series. The conflicts and political dimensions of Star Trek sometimes represent allegories for contemporary cultural realities: Star Trek: The Original Series addressed issues of the 1960s, just as later spin-offs have reflected issues of their respective decades. Issues depicted in the various series include war and peace, the value of personal loyalty, authoritarianism, imperialism, class warfare, economics, racism, religion, human rights, sexism and feminism, and the role of technology.Roddenberry stated: "[By creating] a new world with new rules, I could make statements about sex, religion, Vietnam, politics, and intercontinental missiles. Indeed, we did make them on Star Trek: we were sending messages and fortunately they all got by the network."
Roddenberry intended the show to have a highly progressive political agenda reflective of the emerging counter-culture of the youth movement, though he was not fully forthcoming to the networks about this. He wanted Star Trek to show mankind what it might develop into, if only it would learn from the lessons of the past, most specifically by ending violence. An extreme example are the Vulcans, who had a very violent past but learned to control their emotions. His efforts were somewhat thwarted by the network's concerns over marketability. For example, they were opposed to Roddenberry's insistence on a racially diverse crew of the Enterprise, against the opposition of the studio.
Yea it was for money you can see that from 10 miles right ? Can you point me where it was made for money?
When the show was cancelled, owner Paramount Studios hoped to recoup its production losses by selling the syndication rights to the show. The series went into reruns in the fall of 1972, and by the late 1970s had been sold in over 150 domestic and 60 international markets. The show developed a cult following, and rumors of reviving the franchise began.
The first new Star Trek was Star Trek: The Animated Series. The series was produced by Filmation in association with Paramount Television and ran for two seasons from 1973 to 1974 on NBC, airing a total of twenty-two half-hour episodes.
The popularity of the syndicated Star Trek led Paramount Pictures and Roddenberry to begin developing a new "Star Trek Phase 2" series in May 1975. Work on the series came to an end when the proposed Paramount Television Service folded.
Following the success of the science fiction movies Star Wars and Close Encounters of the Third Kind, the planned pilot episode of Phase II was adapted into the feature film, Star Trek: The Motion Picture. The film was released in North America on December 7, 1979, with mixed reviews from critics. The film earned $139 million worldwide, which fell short of studio expectations but was enough for Paramount to propose a sequel. The studio forced Roddenberry to relinquish creative control of future sequels. In total, six star Trek feature films were produced between 1979 and 1991.
In response to Star Trek's popularity in the movie theater, the series returned to the television in the critically acclaimed series Star Trek: The Next Generation (TNG) in 1987. The show was unusual in that it was broadcast as first-run syndication rather than on a major network. Paramount and the local stations split the advertising time.
And this is how it became what it is today. So please do not go it is all about money and WE people made start trek cause you have not! Gene made star trek and thaks to his life dedication it turned out what it is today.
So... Roddenberry did all of this out of the goodness of his heart and didn't get paid millions of dollars to do it? LOL
Bren
while(horse==dead)
{
beat();
}
O.k. but what about tomorrow?
Sadly the Great Bird is gone yet the mission continues.
The question still is: How do you leverage the new film a new series and the MMO?
Do you split the fanbase and have two STO's (one for JJverse and one for Prime) or do your bring it all and us all together?
Well on that point we'll have to disagree also. Star Trek was wounded after Voyager but what killed it was Enterprise trying to rewrite canon in almost every episode which caused a revolt of sorts in the Star Trek community. People lot interest in Star Trek because of this as they felt "Star Trek" had abandoned them. What you are proposing would cause the same thing to happen to STO. Don't get me wrong... I thought the movie was awesome just as I think STO could be awesome. If they had designed STO to be in Abrams universe from the beginning I'd be all for it but trying to patch it in post launch would be a monumental mistake in my opinion. MMO player bases historically don't take kindly to that drastic of a change post launch.
Bren
(I personally liked Enterprise BTW... Mainly because I didn't judge it by what came before.)
Star Trek Enterprise did not rewrite canon in every episode, as a matter of fact it is canon. Xindi wars killed enterprise, first two seassons got terrible ratings as boring and dull, temporal war was thing that killed enterprise.
But I like enterprise and do not mind time playing. If you search carefully online you can find how enterprise preserved ST canon. And Paramount said it is canon in ST universe as it is this new movie. Every movie and TV show (except animated series) is considered canon.
OK this is for all people who "knows" star trek and think it is for money:
As early as 1960, Gene Roddenberry had drafted a proposal for the science fiction series which would become Star Trek. Although he publicly marketed it as a Western in outer space – a so-called "Wagon Train to the Stars" – he privately told friends that he was actually modeling it on Jonathan Swift's Gulliver's Travels, intending each episode to act on two levels: as a suspenseful adventure story and as a morality tale.
Star Trek stories usually depict the adventures of humans and aliens who serve in the Federation's Starfleet. The protagonists are essentially altruists whose ideals are sometimes only imperfectly applied to the dilemmas presented in the series. The conflicts and political dimensions of Star Trek sometimes represent allegories for contemporary cultural realities: Star Trek: The Original Series addressed issues of the 1960s, just as later spin-offs have reflected issues of their respective decades. Issues depicted in the various series include war and peace, the value of personal loyalty, authoritarianism, imperialism, class warfare, economics, racism, religion, human rights, sexism and feminism, and the role of technology.Roddenberry stated: "[By creating] a new world with new rules, I could make statements about sex, religion, Vietnam, politics, and intercontinental missiles. Indeed, we did make them on Star Trek: we were sending messages and fortunately they all got by the network."
Roddenberry intended the show to have a highly progressive political agenda reflective of the emerging counter-culture of the youth movement, though he was not fully forthcoming to the networks about this. He wanted Star Trek to show mankind what it might develop into, if only it would learn from the lessons of the past, most specifically by ending violence. An extreme example are the Vulcans, who had a very violent past but learned to control their emotions. His efforts were somewhat thwarted by the network's concerns over marketability. For example, they were opposed to Roddenberry's insistence on a racially diverse crew of the Enterprise, against the opposition of the studio.
Yea it was for money you can see that from 10 miles right ? Can you point me where it was made for money?
When the show was cancelled, owner Paramount Studios hoped to recoup its production losses by selling the syndication rights to the show. The series went into reruns in the fall of 1972, and by the late 1970s had been sold in over 150 domestic and 60 international markets. The show developed a cult following, and rumors of reviving the franchise began.
The first new Star Trek was Star Trek: The Animated Series. The series was produced by Filmation in association with Paramount Television and ran for two seasons from 1973 to 1974 on NBC, airing a total of twenty-two half-hour episodes.
The popularity of the syndicated Star Trek led Paramount Pictures and Roddenberry to begin developing a new "Star Trek Phase 2" series in May 1975. Work on the series came to an end when the proposed Paramount Television Service folded.
Following the success of the science fiction movies Star Wars and Close Encounters of the Third Kind, the planned pilot episode of Phase II was adapted into the feature film, Star Trek: The Motion Picture. The film was released in North America on December 7, 1979, with mixed reviews from critics. The film earned $139 million worldwide, which fell short of studio expectations but was enough for Paramount to propose a sequel. The studio forced Roddenberry to relinquish creative control of future sequels. In total, six star Trek feature films were produced between 1979 and 1991.
In response to Star Trek's popularity in the movie theater, the series returned to the television in the critically acclaimed series Star Trek: The Next Generation (TNG) in 1987. The show was unusual in that it was broadcast as first-run syndication rather than on a major network. Paramount and the local stations split the advertising time.
And this is how it became what it is today. So please do not go it is all about money and WE people made start trek cause you have not! Gene made star trek and thaks to his life dedication it turned out what it is today.
So... Roddenberry did all of this out of the goodness of his heart and didn't get paid millions of dollars to do it? LOL
Bren
No, as a matter of fact he did not get paid millions of dollars. He died before he got rich from his creation.
I do not understand why they can not make something like 2 servers. One with prime and one with alternative. Hey we could have one with mirror as well!
You could travel from server to server and pick up your fun
Even if they make a new TV show based off of the movie, who is going to play the bridge crew? Certainly it won't be the cast from the movie. If they change it, I do not see how it would be popular.
I am not all that interested in a jjverse tv/show. i think they could have generated the same kind of response without having timetravel yet again, changing things about all the characters basically rewriting star trek. They could have taken a new crew and made it just as exciting and just as good. that and i hate prequels.
Going back to TOS seemed a no brainer once one looks at the day on the 'power of Icons'.
None of the other series spawned Icons as powerful as Kirk and Spock and the TOS crew.
Allow me a moment to throw out a music lyric to make my pioint: "~ So give your ID card to the border guard. Now your alias says you're 'Captain Jean Luc Picard' of the United Federation of Planets, but he won't speak English anyway...~
The point being. You can't say you are 'Captain Kirk' most places in the world without someone knowing who they are.
So when you need to bring back Star Trek...you break out the power Icons.
It is not 'rebooting/restarting' because it's trendy (though it seems that way).
-----------
Abrams has said he would not do what has been done before. So why follow the 'Starship as the Wagon Train' again?
Why not make the entire UFP the 'Wagon Train" with SFHQ & the Supreme Council in the center of the hub? This allows one to jump all over the UFP and follow many ships and many crew. This idea also seems to serve the idea of TV Show MMO better.
----------
With all the advanced technology that has been taken back to the past and with technical errors in Star Trek canon, the MMO does not have to change it's look or direction. The new series has to 'catch up' and start showing much more advanced ships and technology before and during the TOS timeline.
--------
There are no problems...only solutions. --John Lennon.
I do not understand why they can not make something like 2 servers. One with prime and one with alternative. Hey we could have one with mirror as well!
You could travel from server to server and pick up your fun
Two different servers (or shards) might be a lot for the devs to handle, but you do raise a very interesting point. With the enormous success of the latest movie and the anticipation of sequels to it to be released (more than likely when STO is live), Cryptic would almost have to acknowledge the Prime universe somehow. Maybe this is the sort of thing that would be handled within individual missions/episodes or even mission/episode arcs. Perhaps a short visit similar to the Defiant in the DS9 episode "Trials and Tribble-ations."
STO needs to stay as far away from that JJ Abrams crap as it can.
And it is. Cryptic has already come out and said that the JJ Verse has nothing to do with STO. STO is prime universe. And as far as the prime universe goes, the JJ movie was completely irrelevent.
Well... as long as you don't consider the whole Hobis supernova thing... But that's just a small thing, right? Silly Romulans. Planets are for Empires.
TL; DR. Here are the facts: Had Star Trek not been popular at relaunch, and brought in viewers, it would have gotten canceled. No matter what Gene wanted. Networks and even writers are there to pay bills and make money, had ST sucked and had low viewership, it would have been canceled (just like the first time). No one works "for free" or "for a dream". Dreams don't pay bills or actors, or stagehands, or cameramen, or makeup artists, ext.
Don't kid yourself please. A franchise can make money and still be true to the original essence of the show.
I never get tired of reading the "great visionary" stories of some Trek fans. It always paints this pretty rosy picture of a Rodenberry vision and how it wasn't about money and blah blah blah. The fact of the matter is Rodenberry exploited Star Trek for every nickel and dime he could. You can read any of the books written by Shatner,Nimoy or Bob Justman and they all tell a different story than what Rodenberry spread around. He exploited writers,composers and even some of the actors all to make a quick buck.Anyone that has read up on it knows
- of the Nimoy story where Rodenberry demanded part of the money that Nimoy made on personal appearances
-the unneccessary rewrites just because he got paid for every rewrite
-the fact that Rodenberry quit on the show in the third season and only turned up when he wanted one of the actors(first kirk, then nimoy) to promote the IDIC thing that he was selling with Lincoln Enterprises,
-the fact that he added lyrics to Courage's composition just so he could take half the royalties
-the fact that he tried to take credit for every idea even when it wasn't his own. He never gave proper credit to Gene Coon, who created the prime directive,Klingons, Organion Peace Treaty etc. Gene took credit for all those things
Gene Rodenberry created the idea but it was the many writers who came on to the shows that made it fly.
As to the originial topic, I'm fine with Star Trek staying on the big screen. Any time Braga has a comment on future Star Trek endeauvers I get nervous.
Currently Playing: World of Warcraft
That was a very informative post.
I appreciate your perspective.
I don't 'believe' Bragga will have anything to do with a new Trek series, though I do believe as an 'insider', he knows.
As I hear, Abrams is fully in charge.