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600,000 people cant be wrong
metalcore
Member Posts: 798
Blizzard press release about WoW.
600,000 copies sold.
200,000 simultaneous players over the holidays.
WoW (hehe)
Now playing: VG (after a long break from MMORPGS)
Played for more than a month: Darkfall online, Vanguard SOH, Everquest, Horizons, WoW, SWG, Everquest II, Eve
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denial is NOT only a river in eygpt.
Beta Tested: Lineage 2, Ryzom, City of Heroes, RYL, EverQuest 2 World Of Warcraft European
Truly Loved: World of Warcraft
Beta Tested: Lineage 2, Ryzom, City of Heroes, RYL, EverQuest 2 World Of Warcraft European
Truly Loved: World of Warcraft
Here's my problem with this kind of bandwagon mentality; We have seen many times that 600,000 people and more are very capable of being wrong.
Case in point:
Millions of people think Britney Spears is a great singer.
Bandwagon? If I listened to half the doom bringers on this site I would never play another game.
Now playing: VG (after a long break from MMORPGS)
Played for more than a month: Darkfall online, Vanguard SOH, Everquest, Horizons, WoW, SWG, Everquest II, Eve
Ah, but your assumption that the number of copies sold and the number of players on during the holidays somehow equates to a quality game is the definition of Bandwagon-hopping.
10 000 000 000 flyes eats sh.., they cant be wrong.
i play now both EQ2 and WoW, played UO, EQ, AC, AC2, DAoC, Shadowbane, Horizon. I prefer EQ2, WoW is realy nice and good made game. Easy to play and i have a lot of fun playing it. But nothing more. Just good, maybe very good but not best for me.
Balancing in WoW: my friend got maxed paly and can walk alone all Onyxia lair alone and stay alive. Have good fun with PvP with him WoW lovers:)
http://www.gry-online.pl/eq2/index.asp
http://eq2.gamepressure.com
Case in point:
WoW is the best mmorpg right now
Yes, hype did manage to make Blizzard a really rich company during the holidays. But if thousands of players have voted Worlds of Warcraft and made them win all the awards mentioned at http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/misc/awards.shtml ... then all you people that try to put WoW down must look really stupid now, huh?
See that's what happens when all the hyped people buy the game, love the game, then vote for the game as Best Game of the Year.
If WoW sucked, the total opposite would of happened. Everyone would of bought the game, found the game sucked, would not of voted, you'd have 10 times more WoW buyers complain WoW sucks, it would stop selling, more and more copies would be available for purchase in stores and the story would end there.
But considering it's the total opposite, that WoW won all those awards, the game is still sold out everywhere, even after the holidays and thousands of people say they love it... well... what else can you say?
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Case in point:
WoW is the best mmorpg right now
Your point is an opinion, thus it is invalid as an arguement.
Oh, and I dont recal ever putting the game down. In fact I enjoy it quite a bit.
EDIT: and it is your opinion that what I said was my opinion. But in my opinion it is fact. So if we aren't going to allow opinions into discussions then we can't really have them.
And also, I don't ever recall saying that you put the game down.
I refer you to my origional post;
By your reasoning, Britney Spears (who has sold millions of albums and will likely sell millions more.) is one of the greatest singers in history. Success does not always equal quality, nor does quality always equal success.
This is the last I will post on the subject as it is obvious you have problems with simple concepts such as the one I am trying to explain.
Evanescence won a Grammy award, Jimi Hendrix did not. So by getting an award does that make Evanescence better than Jimi Hendrix? NO!
This is your last post on the subject because you can no longer prove my points wrong. A massive number of people love the game and it is getting higher reviews than any other game of it's kind, END OF STORY.
Does the award Evanescence won allow you to compare it (or them or whatever) directly to Jimi Hendrix? NO!
The review scores games recieve on the other hand can easily be compared to other games.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I suppose anyone who spends most of their time doing one thing has their head up their ass and if they do something that you enjoy but make money off it they must be evil.
But i bet if i wrote a song about my bitches sippin on my 40 and how i like to grind them then beat'm i'd be your hero and you'd give me your money?
-Copeland
It IS hype. No reason to argue, it wont survive too long and then you'll see :P
EDIT : I'm the guy with the Wish cancel prediction, and now its gone so there :P
You're now coming across as someone who's argument has fallen apart.
As has already been discussed, the hype has been almost entirely positive. You seem to think hype can only possibly be negative, but games don't break records on negative hype.
And as has also already been discussed, you aren't able to see into the future. If you desperately want WoW to fail then just state your opinion and leave it at that, but sadly for you all the signs are pointing towards it continuing to be a massive success.
LOL. For all you people that play WoW because SOE's "Dev's suck". I just tried to cancel my WoW account I couldn't log in AGAIN so that was the last staw. I saw something at the bottom and I thought I HAD to call to cancel, so I was already upset about that, but after re-reading (I had time since I was on hold for 24 minutes, guess a lot of people must be cancelling) I realized it said they would LIKE you to call before quiting. I figured I was already on the phone, might as well see what they say. After a really short phone call:
CS: What's your billing Info
Me: blah blah
CS: What can I do for you?
Me: I want to cancel my account.
CS: Can I ask why?
Me: I can never log on.
CS: Did you try to call Tech Support maybe then can help you.
Me: No, No the message I heard while waiting for you confirmed that you guys are having problems with
your log in servers.
CS: Okay it's cancelled anything else I can do for you?
Me: Nope
I decided to cancel online too, so I could get an email incase any problems arose, and that's when it hit me. Blizzard at it's best:
After you cancel, they ask you why you cancelled. First it's a general and they give you some choice like
Game was too hard
Player Problems
Griefing
Technical Issues
Server Issues
Etc.
Well I figured server issues was the most likely, so I chose that. Then they ask you to get more specific and give you another drop down box, with what I thought would be another list of choices, except the only choice in there was "Lag or Slow Gameplay" Huh I thought that's not right. So I tried to select Technical Issues again the more specific drop down box appeared, and they only choice they gave there was "My computer can't handle it" BWAHAHA.
I was gonig to go on in this post and explain how this proves that Bilizzard will not accept it has problems, but I figure some will get it, and those that don't, no amount of explaining will make them see.
P.S.
For anyone that thinks I'm making this up, you can try it yourself. After you've made your choices it will still let you pick Not Cancel so you can verify my story without actually quiting.
yeah your right everygame but dark and light will flop and soon D&L will own the world our souls and the rights to our organs and first born children. soon we will be sacrificing our neighbors babies to dark and light. We will be required by law to go to bed masturbating to dark and light we will have dark and light posters stapled to our spines and when dark and light flops everyone on the planet will combust cockroaches will take over the globe and then they will get addicted to dark and light and create a super society that will enslave the rest of the galaxy to the dark and light dogma. and the onything taht peeople will be allowed to watch on tv is dark and light commericals and the O.C
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I suppose anyone who spends most of their time doing one thing has their head up their ass and if they do something that you enjoy but make money off it they must be evil.
But i bet if i wrote a song about my bitches sippin on my 40 and how i like to grind them then beat'm i'd be your hero and you'd give me your money?
-Copeland
Im not saying wow is a "bad" game, it is fun, but definantly waaaay overhyped.... i mean what really sets wow apart from anything else thats been done ??? seriously
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I suppose anyone who spends most of their time doing one thing has their head up their ass and if they do something that you enjoy but make money off it they must be evil.
But i bet if i wrote a song about my bitches sippin on my 40 and how i like to grind them then beat'm i'd be your hero and you'd give me your money?
-Copeland
This game sucks, that game sucks, this game rules, that game rules, whatever. Day-MMOers will always like some and hate some, thats fine. But its always the REAL MMOers that always seem to bash every new game, the reason is, we are waiting for the perfect mmo, and it just dosent exist yet.
Shadowbane came close, VERY close, but still dident hit the mark. WoW is a step in the right direction, but only if you remember that WoW is based off of the old crap EQ formula. Guild Wars tryed to go the right way, but ended up nothing more than a MMO-styled vertion of unreal tournament. All these new MMO's will always have Day-MMOers to fill thier servers, but us real MMOers, we sit, and we wait, for the day that someone gets thier head out of thier ass, and makes the perfect MMO.
"It is in your nature to do one thing correctly; Before me, you rightfully tremble. But, fear is not what you owe me. You owe me awe." ~Francis Dolarhyde
600,000 units sold is not equals to 600k people going to pay status.
Honestly I expected it to do a double on EQ2 which has 310k PAYING(which means people who past their free month and continued to pay not the actual units sold so it did of course sell more then 310k units).
So how many went from free month to pay in WoW.I dunno but highly doubt any mmorpg can reproduce a 100% retainer thats for sure.
But I see a figure of 1 million quite reachable.
It still has the euro and Asia launch though so be intresting to see how it goes but the Asian market is hard to break with 4m Asians stuck in lineage1 and 2 .
But seems thats where the $$$$ lies.Even EQ2 has teamed up with square to make an "asian" appealing version for the Asian market.
WoW would have less problems in hitting the Asian market then EQ2 I think.Warcraft is known there by many.
But that said they deserve the sales for sure.Great work blizzard good luck in europe and Asia ,I know europe is waiting for you
Maybe I just don't understand. So? Why does this even matter to you? Do you feel the need to fit in, and/or prove that WoW must be a wonderful and amazing game? It's decent, yep. Really, though.. do you do the same thing when you buy a can of Coke?
"Holy crap guys, you know.. 3 million cans of Coke were sold today, and overall they've sold like 40 billion cans!!" (I have no idea if those numbers are even legitimately close, by the way. Just random).
As for reviewers... yeah. I'm sure the guy making 20k a year isn't going to be quick to take a payoff to give a game a good rating, just like it was revealed that someone at GamePro used to do. Why would a company do this? Because some people actually care what a nerd with a column in a magazine thinks.
Really, though.. you like the game. That's wonderful, and I'm sincerely glad you found a game you like.. but.. why do you feel the need to be validated by hundreds of thousands of other people buying it? It's kind of sad, really.
One would think you'd be playing the game you're here being a fanboy for, instead of posting about its sales, which have absolutely no effect on you as long as there's enough to keep the game afloat. You're not getting any of this money, and Blizzard isn't going to put more into the game because they're making more money.. so seriously.. why do you care?
-- Slackker Safecrackker
- Nellus
"Honestly I expected it to do a double on EQ2 which has 310k PAYING(which means people who past their free month and continued to pay not the actual units sold so it did of course sell more then 310k units)."
This number is from a press release with a skeptical number at best. It's also doubtfull how they counted the all-acces passes. All i see lately on VN (small example) is people quitting and some of them were hardcore fans of EQ2 and defended it with their life but issues are just keeping htem from having fun. (vendor system , customizeability of armor , group xpdebt to name some).
Simply put , this game was not for them most likely but all in all it seems EQ2 isn't nearly a game for alot more people than was expected previously. It's more of a niche game tbh and it certainly isn't the market it was "supposed"to be aimed for (the people who left EQ).