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"China bans foreign investment in online gaming"

FennrisFennris Member UncommonPosts: 277

A good portion of Wow's client base (and a large contingent of MMO'ers) seems to be edging towards a cliff.  Nothing is final yet or even likely as far as Wow is concerned but...

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b1223c0a-b749-11de-9812-00144feab49a,s01=1.html?referrer_id=yahoofinance&ft_ref=yahoo1&segid=03058&nclick_check=1

"China has banned foreign investment in its online gaming industry in a tightening of its censorship regime and an effort to protect local gaming companies.  Foreigners would be banned from operating online gaming within China through wholly foreign-owned investments, joint ventures or any other forms of co-operation with local companies, the country’s publishing regulator said."

....

"However, many of them (Chinese game companies) still make a large part of their revenues from foreign-developed games, for which they have to pay royalties. World of Warcraft is China’s most popular game on the web."

"GAPP said updates and new versions of already-approved games would need additional approval. It also said games that were already on the market in China would need new approval if they changed distributors.

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  • Demz2Demz2 Member Posts: 435

    Bloody communists.  This is just going to the extreme.

  • AntipopealanAntipopealan Member Posts: 62

    so will this stop (Chinese) gold sellers?, since 'western' MMO's wont be allowed to operate over there

  • billynomatesbillynomates Member Posts: 163
    Originally posted by Antipopealan


    so will this stop (Chinese) gold sellers?, since 'western' MMO's wont be allowed to operate over there

    If you think it's only the Chinese that are gold sellers you are deluding yourself.

  • SlineerSlineer Member Posts: 246
    Originally posted by Antipopealan


    so will this stop (Chinese) gold sellers?, since 'western' MMO's wont be allowed to operate over there

     

    Not to my knowledge as they are using western client versions, obtained illegally anyways.

  • aleosaleos Member UncommonPosts: 1,943

     Hurray for communism.

  • CaleveiraCaleveira Member Posts: 556

    What i wonder is why western countries dont impose similar measures on chinese operators as a matter of reciprocity? That could actually have more of an impact in gold trading...

    Just to make things clear...
    I speak for myself and no one else, unless i state otherwise mine is just an opinion. A fact is something that can be independently verified, you may challenge such but with proof. You have every right to disagree with me through sound argument, i believe in constructive debate, but baseless aggression will warrant an unkind response.

  • Demz2Demz2 Member Posts: 435

    Simple, fact is these communist monkeys have become to big for their boots,  you give them abit of  lee way, and then they bite then hands thta feed them.  Time to crush them like the west did with soviet russia.

     

    They telling people they cant play online game lol, bloody communism has gone beyond a joke now. 

  • Gabby-airGabby-air Member UncommonPosts: 3,440

    I think they've passed the line, seriously this is going way too far.

  • ThenariusThenarius Member Posts: 1,106
    Originally posted by Demz2


    Simple, fact is these communist monkeys have become to big for their boots,  you give them abit of  lee way, and then they bite then hands thta feed them.  Time to crush them like the west did with soviet russia.
     
    They telling people they cant play online game lol, bloody communism has gone beyond a joke now. 

    I think you're taking this too far, and a war with China would probably start the end of humanity as we know it.

    And honestly, China has its good parts that the so called "democracy" will never reach, I'm looking at this with a "meh" on my mind, since there are plenty of reasons to do or to not do this.

  • SarbocabrasSarbocabras Member Posts: 257
    Originally posted by billynomates

    Originally posted by Antipopealan


    so will this stop (Chinese) gold sellers?, since 'western' MMO's wont be allowed to operate over there

    If you think it's only the Chinese that are gold sellers you are deluding yourself.

    A good portion of them are Chinese, this is a great thing

  • IlvaldyrIlvaldyr Member CommonPosts: 2,142
    Originally posted by Sarbocabras

    Originally posted by billynomates

    Originally posted by Antipopealan


    so will this stop (Chinese) gold sellers?, since 'western' MMO's wont be allowed to operate over there

    If you think it's only the Chinese that are gold sellers you are deluding yourself.

    A good portion of them are Chinese, this is a great thing

    I don't see how.

    The obvious fact is that the farmers aren't playing on chinese servers; they're playing on western servers via western clients. Probably via corporate intarwebz connections owned by "commercial" gold seller sites.

    How will China scrapping the chinese servers alleviate the problem?

    If anything, you might see more chinese players on western servers for the simple reason that .. it's the only place they can play.

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  • GrumpyMel2GrumpyMel2 Member Posts: 1,832

    LOL, this is too funny... NOW, they've crossed the line?

    Guy's China's government has been doing thing alot worse to people then stopping them from playing Warlock's in Strangelthorne Vale for a long time.

  • XiaokiXiaoki Member EpicPosts: 4,045


    Originally posted by Ilvaldyr
    Originally posted by Sarbocabras
    Originally posted by billynomates
    Originally posted by Antipopealan so will this stop (Chinese) gold sellers?, since 'western' MMO's wont be allowed to operate over there
    If you think it's only the Chinese that are gold sellers you are deluding yourself.


    A good portion of them are Chinese, this is a great thing


    I don't see how.
    The obvious fact is that the farmers aren't playing on chinese servers; they're playing on western servers via western clients. Probably via corporate intarwebz connections owned by "commercial" gold seller sites.
    How will China scrapping the chinese servers alleviate the problem?
    If anything, you might see more chinese players on western servers for the simple reason that .. it's the only place they can play.

    They would flood the Taiwanese servers first and foremost.

    The real players and the gold farmers.

  • svannsvann Member RarePosts: 2,230
    Originally posted by Caleveira


    What i wonder is why western countries dont impose similar measures on chinese operators as a matter of reciprocity? That could actually have more of an impact in gold trading...



     

    Not for games necessarily, but the US does impose restrictions on chinese trade.  Its nothing new.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601089&sid=aPn5l7KHLc5Q

  • LansidLansid Member UncommonPosts: 1,097

     

    Chinese people have known the terms "Aggro", and "Train INC!", and "Tank", and "Raid" long before we started to use them in game...

    Though I can admit that most "farmers" I ran into on WoW were in fact Chinese. They would out of the blue, open trade windows with my Mage and say things like "food". I woud then demand "Money pls". If denied then I tried many insults that involved "sex with their mothers" and the ones that got immediate responses were insults in given in Mandarin. Many times I would just give them first level summoned food and make it seem like I was summoning high tier stuff.

    While I don't know what effect this whole ordeal will have on the in-game economies, I can bank on the farmers, Chinese or otherwise, coming up with work-around solutions... 

    "There is only one thing of which I am certain, and that's nothing is certain."

  • luciusETRURluciusETRUR Member Posts: 442
    Originally posted by Demz2


    Simple, fact is these communist monkeys have become to big for their boots,  you give them abit of  lee way, and then they bite then hands thta feed them.  Time to crush them like the west did with soviet russia.
     
    They telling people they cant play online game lol, bloody communism has gone beyond a joke now. 



     

    The West never "crushed" Soviet Russia. They crushed themselves by being involved in pointless and costly wars, spending far too much money and running deficits year after year. Eventually, the entire thing collapsed on them. China, on the other hand, is not even bragging about Communism anymore, they run SURPLUSES every year, they are world's number one creditor, and own over trillion dollars worth of treasuries. Theya ren't involved in wars anywhere in the world but within insurrections in their own country. China is hardly anything like the Soviet Union.. matter-of-fact.. I'd say America has many of the same problems that the Soviet Union did...

  • ScalebaneScalebane Member UncommonPosts: 1,883

    China has been trying to censor and control a lot more things lately, in the end it will bite them in the ass, always does.

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  • WickedjellyWickedjelly Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 4,990
    Originally posted by Lansid


     
    Chinese people have known the terms "Aggro", and "Train INC!", and "Tank", and "Raid" long before we started to use them in game...



     

    XD

    Funny stuff

    1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.

    2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.

    3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.

  • InterestingInteresting Member UncommonPosts: 973

    The first MMORPG Virtual Economy Crash!

    Gold Farmers are no more.

    Prices will start to drop and out of nowhere, skyrocket later on.

  • ZerocydeZerocyde Member UncommonPosts: 412

    Censorship = ignorance.

    "It is in your nature to do one thing correctly; Before me, you rightfully tremble. But, fear is not what you owe me. You owe me awe." ~Francis Dolarhyde

  • CaleveiraCaleveira Member Posts: 556
    Originally posted by svann

    Originally posted by Caleveira


    What i wonder is why western countries dont impose similar measures on chinese operators as a matter of reciprocity? That could actually have more of an impact in gold trading...



     

    Not for games necessarily, but the US does impose restrictions on chinese trade.  Its nothing new.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601089&sid=aPn5l7KHLc5Q



     

    Interesting article, although living in a Nafta country i hardly need any evidence of the US government going back on its word and impacting the free trade it claims to support... I did mean games, if western game developers, operators or service providers experience any difficulty in doing bussiness on any given country, then its only logical to asume their governments would impose the same restrictions on said countries entrepeneurs. If they cared at all about their own nationals interests that is...

    Just to make things clear...
    I speak for myself and no one else, unless i state otherwise mine is just an opinion. A fact is something that can be independently verified, you may challenge such but with proof. You have every right to disagree with me through sound argument, i believe in constructive debate, but baseless aggression will warrant an unkind response.

  • svannsvann Member RarePosts: 2,230
    Originally posted by Caleveira

    Originally posted by svann

    Originally posted by Caleveira


    What i wonder is why western countries dont impose similar measures on chinese operators as a matter of reciprocity? That could actually have more of an impact in gold trading...



     

    Not for games necessarily, but the US does impose restrictions on chinese trade.  Its nothing new.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601089&sid=aPn5l7KHLc5Q



     

    Interesting article, although living in a Nafta country i hardly need any evidence of the US government going back on its word and impacting the free trade it claims to support... I did mean games, if western game developers, operators or service providers experience any difficulty in doing bussiness on any given country, then its only logical to asume their governments would impose the same restrictions on said countries entrepeneurs. If they cared at all about their own nationals interests that is...



     

    No not really.  I think that china restricting western investment hurts china more than it hurts the US.  Why should we copy that?

  • lisubablisubab Member Posts: 670
    Originally posted by svann

    Originally posted by Caleveira

    Originally posted by svann

    Originally posted by Caleveira


    What i wonder is why western countries dont impose similar measures on chinese operators as a matter of reciprocity? That could actually have more of an impact in gold trading...



     

    Not for games necessarily, but the US does impose restrictions on chinese trade.  Its nothing new.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601089&sid=aPn5l7KHLc5Q



     

    Interesting article, although living in a Nafta country i hardly need any evidence of the US government going back on its word and impacting the free trade it claims to support... I did mean games, if western game developers, operators or service providers experience any difficulty in doing bussiness on any given country, then its only logical to asume their governments would impose the same restrictions on said countries entrepeneurs. If they cared at all about their own nationals interests that is...



     

    No not really.  I think that china restricting western investment hurts china more than it hurts the US.  Why should we copy that?

    Oh really?  Another sweeping statement without proof or evidence.

    Hurt china more than US?  China is not a person, US is not a person.  Trade restrictions in any form benefits someone in China and hurts someone else, it also hurts someone in US and benefits someone else.  Relaxing the restriction will reverse the grouping of who gets hurts/benefits.  How do you add up the hurts and benefits of each individual in china to come up to a total hurt measure, how do you do that for US, how do you compare the 2 hurt measures to say China suffers more?  Will that measure change tomorrow, will the hurt on China slowly scales back while US suffers more and more?

    There is no solution that benefits everyone on earth, or it will be adopted immediately, as no one will try to block it.

  • Originally posted by Ilvaldyr


    The obvious fact is that the farmers aren't playing on chinese servers; they're playing on western servers via western clients. Probably via corporate intarwebz connections owned by "commercial" gold seller sites.
    How will China scrapping the chinese servers alleviate the problem?
    If anything, you might see more chinese players on western servers for the simple reason that .. it's the only place they can play.



     

    That is exactly why the Communists will fail at their attempt at censorship yet again - those that want to play WOW etc will simply buy accounts outside of China. The only way they could stop it is to go the same route as North Korea, cut off all phone, wireless, and satellite communications in or out of the country.

    Never underestimate the stupidity of a dictatorship.

    And despite all the hype about China growing so fast, the per capita income there is still less than 1/7th of the US - and that income is averaged out over an extremely wide range, if you eliminate the 66 billionaires it comes out to 1/9th.

     

  • kopemakopema Member Posts: 263
    Originally posted by Gabby-air


    I think they've passed the line, seriously this is going way too far.



    Wait, THIS is going too far?

    After all the atrocities the Chinese government has committed, MMORPG censorship is the point where you put your foot down!

    Don't get me wrong; I'm not saying this is a good thing they're doing.  It just strikes me as a pretty funny place to finally decide to draw the line.

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