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Level cap - then what?
Stygius
Member Posts: 3
Hello.
Im an hardcore PVP'er, but since GW is dead, EVE is not my type and every other MMO out there completely sucks (PVP-wise), Im about to buy LOTRO, forget PVP and just enjoy the beautifull graphics, great lore and mature community. At least until a good PVP MMORPG is released.
What is holding me, and what I would like to ask you, is:
What do you do after you hit level cap? Yeah, raids/dungeons/whatever you wanna call them. But.. Then what? You raid every single raid in the game once, then what do you do? Raid the same place again to get better armor? For what purpose, to be able to raid the same place again easier?
(BTW, I plan to play about 2-5 hours/day)
Thanks to whoever replies.
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What do you do in any linear story driven game once you have beaten all the content and reached the end?
You stop playing it and start playing another game.
PvE MMO's are big but they arent infinite. You're not supposed to spend your entire life playing one of them.
you just raid the endgame content and level alts mostly.
Yep exactly as Frostbite said. You either just repeat the end game dungeons over and over again or you restart the game and play through it all again from scratch. Yep its boring and pointless. Thats why your better off just dropping it once you have completed it and starting a new different game.......just like you do with any other type of computer game.
I guess it depends on how desperate you are to believe that a PvE MMO is a world and not just an ordinary single player game plonked on a server.
Crafting, socializing, raiding, epic quest, PvMP, level alts etc.
Then they add more content and you do:
Crafting, socializing, raiding, epic quest, PvMP, level alts etc.
If WoW = The Beatles
and WAR = Led Zeppelin
Then LotrO = Pink Floyd
And skirmishes.
I am of the opinion that this is one of the few games that is wider than it is tall. So, rushing to the level cap, or even making that some form of goal, is completely missing the point. You will miss about 70% of the content and things to do.
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Skirmishes, they aren't out yet genius... Another vague Mrbloodworth post. How about you elaborate on your "You will miss about 70% of the content and things to do." bullshit statement? I'm sure you'll just say something like "you miss some amazing quests..." which is actually just a candy-coated grindfest... and unless you actualy wanna read stuff that sounds like some high school tolkien nerd fan-fiction, I'd suggest clicking through all of the text.
Or I'm sure you'll say "crafting" which is just as pathetic as WoW's crafting system... so it's laughable. OP, there is a reason why all the fanboys for this game are completely vague when it comes to answering " what is there to do at endgame".
Well normally in this type of game when you hit max level you start working on upgrading your gear. Usually these types of games have a layered approach to gear where you have to defeat a certain tier of content to get gear that makes you tough enough to do the next tier. This progression typically takes quite awhile and involves doing epic quests, farming, running group dungeons and ultimately raiding. If you run through all that then you would create an alt. Most people that play a long time do create several alts so that they can play multiple rolls in a group by swapping characters.
Finally there are updates that occur periodically adding new quests, live events, etc that keep things dynamic some and then there are expansions.
I'm no expert on LoTR but thats my experience with games like EQ, Wow and EQ2 and I doubt that LoTR would be much different...
There are other things to do in most games outside what I described which is the core.. In LoTR there is also a PvP area you can play with and there are of course countless achievements that become compelling to complete and also give you a small upgrade every time you finish one.
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Ethion
Skirmishes, they aren't out yet genius... Another vague Mrbloodworth post. How about you elaborate on your "You will miss about 70% of the content and things to do." bullshit statement? I'm sure you'll just say something like "you miss some amazing quests..." which is actually just a candy-coated grindfest... and unless you actualy wanna read stuff that sounds like some high school tolkien nerd fan-fiction, I'd suggest clicking through all of the text.
Or I'm sure you'll say "crafting" which is just as pathetic as WoW's crafting system... so it's laughable. OP, there is a reason why all the fanboys for this game are completely vague when it comes to answering " what is there to do at endgame".
But that's really where the game lies, in the quests. Yes, they are just another way to say "go kill x amount of y" but there are smaller stories within these quests. Some of them interesting, some not so much.
If you just click through them then really there is no point in playing lotro. I mean, why? you can just grind for grind's sake if that is your style but also, again, why? Once you get to top level, other than a few raids and perhaps monster play or working on your legenary items, there isn't much to do.
As some friends of mine said as they hit 60, "ok now what".
Now what indeed!
LOTRO really is a game where you need to find your own purpose. Being top level allows you entrance to some of the top raid content but you can't really do that all the time (well I suppose you can but would you want to?).
therefore the meat of the game is in all the quests including the main storyline. Because other than that you are leveling to top level to do a few raids, perhaps some monster play and not much else. Top level doesn't mean a huge amount in this game.
I was top level for quite some time and though I enjoyed myself, I really could't continue with rep grinds or working on the legendary items. Don't really enjoy top raiding, at least not enough to do it every week and I am drawn to other forms of pvp so monster play doesn't do it for me.
The game is in the quests and the socializing, perhaps grabbing an instrument and jamming in bree or doing some exploring for exploring's sake.
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If your looking for PVP that does not suck.... One word AION
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Thanks everyone...
Skirmishes, they aren't out yet genius... Another vague Mrbloodworth post. How about you elaborate on your "You will miss about 70% of the content and things to do." bullshit statement? I'm sure you'll just say something like "you miss some amazing quests..." which is actually just a candy-coated grindfest... and unless you actualy wanna read stuff that sounds like some high school tolkien nerd fan-fiction, I'd suggest clicking through all of the text.
Or I'm sure you'll say "crafting" which is just as pathetic as WoW's crafting system... so it's laughable. OP, there is a reason why all the fanboys for this game are completely vague when it comes to answering " what is there to do at endgame".
What an unpleasant, pointless post ... someone asks about endgame and you respond with the much used hate lines of someone who hasn't played the game, and if you have, one would have to ask 'why on earth would you play a game that you clearly hate?'. Either way you come across as some sadly unpleasant child, insulting other people's fun ... very sad indeed
Skirmishes, they aren't out yet genius... Another vague Mrbloodworth post. How about you elaborate on your "You will miss about 70% of the content and things to do." bullshit statement? I'm sure you'll just say something like "you miss some amazing quests..." which is actually just a candy-coated grindfest... and unless you actualy wanna read stuff that sounds like some high school tolkien nerd fan-fiction, I'd suggest clicking through all of the text.
Or I'm sure you'll say "crafting" which is just as pathetic as WoW's crafting system... so it's laughable. OP, there is a reason why all the fanboys for this game are completely vague when it comes to answering " what is there to do at endgame".
What an unpleasant, pointless post ... someone asks about endgame and you respond with the much used hate lines of someone who hasn't played the game, and if you have, one would have to ask 'why on earth would you play a game that you clearly hate?'. Either way you come across as some sadly unpleasant child, insulting other people's fun ... very sad indeed
logicbox9 is a long time hater on the LotrO forums, I guess he just want attention or something. All his posts smells of bitterness.
If WoW = The Beatles
and WAR = Led Zeppelin
Then LotrO = Pink Floyd
Humm.. You must be kidding...
Aion and good PVP on the same phrase? AHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
Sorry, a game where each class has about 30 different skills (Aion classes have more than 100, but almost all are the same, but with different levels, like, "Smite I", "Smite II", "Smite III", "Smite IV", etc) NEVER can be a a good PVP game.
And, as all "Aion-type" PVP games, even if you have 30 skills, you and everyone only uses less than 10 skills, and everyone plays the same way.
Skirmishes, they aren't out yet genius... Another vague Mrbloodworth post. How about you elaborate on your "You will miss about 70% of the content and things to do." bullshit statement? I'm sure you'll just say something like "you miss some amazing quests..." which is actually just a candy-coated grindfest... and unless you actualy wanna read stuff that sounds like some high school tolkien nerd fan-fiction, I'd suggest clicking through all of the text.
Or I'm sure you'll say "crafting" which is just as pathetic as WoW's crafting system... so it's laughable. OP, there is a reason why all the fanboys for this game are completely vague when it comes to answering " what is there to do at endgame".
What an unpleasant, pointless post ... someone asks about endgame and you respond with the much used hate lines of someone who hasn't played the game, and if you have, one would have to ask 'why on earth would you play a game that you clearly hate?'. Either way you come across as some sadly unpleasant child, insulting other people's fun ... very sad indeed
logicbox9 is a long time hater on the LotrO forums, I guess he just want attention or something. All his posts smells of bitterness.
Thanks for the update, I don't understand mindless, hate, posting. For example, Eve is not game for me but I am not going to insult it, nor insult the people who play it.
To the OP, the end-game is the same as the end-game for all PVE games I guess. Raid, complete quest chains, max out reputations, upgrade your gear and wait for the expacs.
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I've played many other MMO's, and i've been pleasantly surprised at the depth of the end game in Lotro.
I started a few months after the game came out, got to 40ish, then quit. Came back around moria release and never really got into it (nothing about the game, just had other gaming interests at the time). Came back a few months ago when they did the "Free weekend", which got me hooked.
Once you've levelled to 60, your potential task list is huge.
1. You need to gain reputation for Miners in moria & Guards in Moria. You need Miners rep if you want a goat (travel inside moria, no horses!), and you need Guardian reputation if you want your capstone skill. Luckily, there are many different ways to get rep for both (the rep items are interchangable, and used for both). You can quest, do daily instances, and even buy rep items off the auction house from others if you want to fund your rep gain by crafting profits. This never really felt like a grind to me, as you get kill rep in dungeons too.
2. You need to get into Lothlorien, and gain rep with the Galhadrim. This also was one of the easier rep gains I've ever done - the quests are fun, and easy to do, and it breezes through if you focus on it for a few days. The rewards from vendors once you've gotten to the city are well worth it as well.
3. Traits/Deeds - at 60, unless you were crazy attentive and did your deeds as you levelled, you will probably have several gaps to fill in for your traits. Traits max out at level 10, and for most there are several ways to gain the ranks. You can do high level dungeons for some, and also go back to the lower level zones and grind out deeds as well. This in itself is a large task, and takes quite some time.
4. Legendary items - This is a whole category in itself. You will spend time acquiring new Legendary items for yourself, and levelling those items, as well as then gaining Relics to combine and get the relics you want for your LI's. This takes quite some time, and is certainly a lottery system, but still fun - only the most min/maxer will need to spend an insane amount of time on this.
5. Books ! - you have your Epic book quests to do, and this time around finishing the first 6 books gives you a skill, so you definitely want to get this done! I still haven't gotten mine all done.
6. Instances/Raids - there are two (to my knowledge) 3 man raids that are super fun, and have great loot, 6 (or more - i never counted) instances that drop tokens for your tier 1 radiance gear, and 3 twelve man raids to keep you busy.
7. Class Quest - everyone gets a Legendary quest they need to complete. I haven't gotten mine done yet, but that's still on the to do list.
Plus there's the usual crafting/skilling up that needs to be done. You need a good source of Hope Tokens from a Jeweler, a good source of Cooked Food from a crafter, and a Scholar to keep you supplied with potions at the end game. Also there's PVP, and several more things I'm sure I'm missing.
I've only been back for a few months, and with a crazy play schedule of 4-5 hours a day and 8+ hours on the weekend, I'm still struggling to get everything done I'd like to before Mirkwood comes out. And this is only with playing one character.
Assuming you didn't slack in crafting and the epic books whilst leveling, end-game pretty much consists of running instances and grinding daily quests. So after you get sick of repeatedly running instances, all that's left is pretty much daily quests. If you're a real glutton for punishment, you can grind rep or deeds.
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You grind. And grind, and grind, and grind some more. Youll need to grind instances either with pugs or your guild to get the coins for radiance gear, repeat these over and over. Moria brought some serious grinds with it.
Rep grind. You need rep to unlock Goats, several class traits and gear to help you survive the Moria mobs.
LI grind. Find a Legendary item with the stats you want either through you guessed it, grinding ,or buying off the AH. Anything with decent legacies will cost you, so make sure you grind enough gold. Then you need to level them up. Youll need to level up seperate LIs as well so you can break them down into gems and settings (a grind inside a grind).
Raid. Once youve grinded all your radience gear needed to beat the gloom cap, its time to raid. Raid the watcher or the Turtle. Repeat. You dont really need to do these, but theres not much else to do once youve done the radiance instances 900 times.
Once you get to the other side of Moria you can get into Lothlorien, where youll need to grind rep to be able to gain access to the rest of the zone. Youll need to have Loth rep to get to Mirkwood. More +rep armour and weapons to grind here.
Crafting. Not essential as such, but you might want to make crit items which will require a decent amount of gold or mat grinding, depending on your proffs.
Trait grinds. Youll likely have several class traits left to grind even after 60, so its time to get those finished so you can unlock all build choices.
Is this really any different then any game? Once you hit the cap you can do faction stuff, you can do instances for token type things, you can raid, you can do instances for rare loots, you can do AAs or Traits, or achievements etc. Or you can PvP till you are blue in the face. You can wait till an update adds content. You can make an alt. You can play a different game.
Some games have no end game at all. You hit cap and there isn't anything to do... At least in LoTR there are instances, radiance, traits, raids, etc to do that will keep you busy for quite awhile. Everything you do in a game is a grind past the first 15 minutes isn't it? Even quests are a grind... As long as I can continue to advance my character and tackle bigger and bigger challenges it is interesting to me. Once there is nothing to do or achieve then the game is over.
Again I guess I don't get your point or how this is different then other games?
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Ethion
First you get your levels, then you get your gear. And what's it all for? The game is totally static. You either A) kill computer-controlled monsters by yourself or
kill computer-controlled monsters with a group of people. Forget about the PvMP, it's fun at first but ultimately just as pointless.
Ultimately, your uber levels and uber gear will just get put on the shelf along with your uber character and you will just have to make alts and do it all again. Now, to some people this is very appealing. To others it is not. I leave that up to you.
Is this really any different then any game? Once you hit the cap you can do faction stuff, you can do instances for token type things, you can raid, you can do instances for rare loots, you can do AAs or Traits, or achievements etc. Or you can PvP till you are blue in the face. You can wait till an update adds content. You can make an alt. You can play a different game.
Some games have no end game at all. You hit cap and there isn't anything to do... At least in LoTR there are instances, radiance, traits, raids, etc to do that will keep you busy for quite awhile. Everything you do in a game is a grind past the first 15 minutes isn't it? Even quests are a grind... As long as I can continue to advance my character and tackle bigger and bigger challenges it is interesting to me. Once there is nothing to do or achieve then the game is over.
Again I guess I don't get your point or how this is different then other games?
I never said it was different in other games, I replied to the OPs question. Thats what you do once you hit the level cap. When you have your radience set and youve gotten a decent enough set of LIs with high tier gems, thats pretty much it. You can help your friends and guildmates out with their sets, or perhaps raid for some upgrades and higher age LIs.