Howdy, Stranger!
It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!
Quick Links
what justification is there for this sucky combat?
robino
Member Posts: 39
i was thinking about buying this game...
but i've seen loads of vids on youtube of really quite poor AI in terms of combat and poor combat generally
my complaints so far are:
* AI aggro distance is stupidly short & AI attack in predictable ways
* AI enemies are types which you would expect to be a challenge but are not (e.g. shouldn't humans be able to put up more of a fight? - is it really fun to slaughter a dozen people on a single mission when it just isn't a challenge?)
* I've never seen AI use cover
* damage model is based on 'skills' - but shouldn't a bullet in the leg cause the same damage regardless of who shoots it?
* no apparent physics model to any combat (can you 'blow' someone into the air?)
i think they (the devs) will need to revisit this - becasue at the moment - the combat may as well be the same trash combat other MMO's seem to get away with
go ahead - prove me wrong - show me your best vid of the combat this game has to offer - because thats the only way you are gonna change my mind
Comments
the justification is you're a noob. Sector 2+ mob ai starts using cover and stuff. The AI is my least favorite part of the game and it definately needs help, but it's not as bad as you make it out to be. The combat is awesome, just the pve sucks.
Hmmm, I've mixed feelings about the aggro distance actually. Often, I think it's really low, but then most often because like nearly two times the level of that mob. And sometimes I've the feeling that they aggro very very quickly. As said, it probably depends on the level of the mobs, and during the last days I was mostly doing missions in areas far below my level.
A large part of the damage is calculated by the type of weapon you use and the type of armor and abilities the victim is having. Of course your own skills play a role. Why? Well, in my opinion, there is always a certain line that has to be found, that is between realism and fun.
For example, in theory it should happen that you would stumble over a stone every now and then, break your ankle, and move at a third speed for the next month. Should happen. Could be implemented without a problem. Would be realistic. Is it done? No, never, in no MMORPG. Why? Because it wouldn't be fun. That's the point.
I do agree, the AI is dumb. Yet, this is the case for nearly all MMORPGs. I wouldn't expect anything else. It's just that way in MMORPGs. Mobs are dumb in about all the MMORPGs in existance. When I buy an MMORPG, then I assume the mobs are dumb, and bosses even that out mostly with their increased amount of hitpoints, some increased damage and special ability. They ain't more clever though.
I'd prefer a more clever AI sometimes too. But as said... I knew that was in this game the way. I know it's in about all games that way. As such, I know what I was doing when I bought the game and when I play it, and I am having fun.
Let's play Fallen Earth (blind, 300 episodes)
Let's play Guild Wars 2 (blind, 45 episodes)
PvE is boring indeed. It feels like they have put mostly all effort on the crafting leaving nothing to PvErs but crafters. I was surprised to see this game being so easy and containing no group oriented content or at least solo instances/dungeons.
ESS O ESS. O ESS O. OR ESS? Bah, fuck it, just call 911.
That's your opinion. I find the game to be great. dont try to smash something if you havent tried it.
Sic semper tyrannis "Democracy broke down, not when the Union
ceased to be agreeable to all its constituent States, but when it was upheld, like any other Empire, by force of arms."
Sucky combat? Guess you haven't played SWG since the CU huh?
As for the "justification" it's not WoW. I don't know what you were expecting. The game ran out of funding in development and had to release earlier than planned, and it was built from the ground up, engine and all, by a very small group of dedicated people. Does it justify the problems, no. But there's a fairly understandable reason.
""PvE is boring indeed. It feels like they have put mostly all effort on the crafting leaving nothing to PvErs but crafters. I was surprised to see this game being so easy and containing no group oriented content or at least solo instances/dungeons.""
Easy is relative. I'm guessing you're expecting something very different than what the game is looking to be considering you're looking for "group content" "solo instances/dungeons." There are no instances. The only breaks in the world are between the sectors. There are areas in the game which are best cleared with groups, there are bosses, and there are areas that can be cleared by yourself. However, you need to explore to find them. Quests in this game are more of a formality and used for particular features like faction wars. They're not there to guide your "progression" or anything like that. You can wonder off into the wilderness and find a number of things similar to what you're looking for, but don't expect there to be any raids and dropping of rare loot.
I'm not sure why I bothered to actually respond to this. It's quite clear you're not looking for actual explanations and are just trolling for attention and to bash something you don't like.
Bans a perma, but so are sigs in necro posts.
EAT ME MMORPG.com!
i was thinking about buying this game...
but i've seen loads of vids on youtube of really quite poor AI in terms of combat and poor combat generally
my complaints so far are (QUOTE)
Ok you lost me right at the begining, 'my compliants are', What the heck, you havnt played the game and you have compliants, what level of ownership do you think you have, are you a shareholder or an investor ?
90%+ of all in game vids for starters come from S1-sector one, now S1 is the training wheels of the game if you like, it has dumb Ai at the first half of the zone, with its caling slowly up to S2 behaviour. That is a well known part of the game and shows a lack of research to gain a basic knowledge of how the game begins.
Now you have hit lvl 15+ plus you are ready to start getting close to the end of S1, you think you are a good to go anyway, leap into s2 and suddenly mobs are diving to prone to open fire, in long grass, some mobs are using mutagenics skills to blind you, confuse you and set you on fire, poison you and then more than likely pose for pictures over your corpse still saying WTF.
Now after that, yeah more tweaking meeds doing, some stuff is working to well, bodies bouncing 9 foot in the air after a hit, or not at all, ATVs just hug the ground but all in all its all just tweaking, which has been occurring on a very regular basis.
But the main point is I can go where the hell I like and level in different ways, I got 2 levels from crafting stuff I needed, I didnt move a bloody inch.
OK. If sector 2 combat is much better then show me some videos.
Yes,NPC AI suck in this game.The hardest action they can do is proness.
I'd show you but fraps turns FE on my rig into a slideshow (its fraps not FE, as soon as it goes off I get good fps) and then everyone would say the lags terrible. Hardly a accourate representation of combat. Maybe when some of the folks with high end systems like maji get to s2 they can post different AI actions.
It does, but if I have a steal plate on my leg, I wont take as much damage as you. Sorry.
Played - M59, EQOA, EQ, EQ2, PS, SWG[Favorite], DAoC, UO, RS, MXO, CoH/CoV, TR, FFXI, FoM, WoW, Eve, Rift, SWTOR, TSW.
Playing - PS2, AoW, GW2
The combat is sucky? I thought it was freaking awesome for a mmo.
Shit if you expected Single player type fps combat you must not have read up on the game ahead of time.
Sorry you wasted 50 bucks. Read about a game before you buy it next time.
PLaying: EvE, Ryzom
Waiting For: Earthrise, Perpetuum
How about you do your own legwork? I'll tell you a secret. All game videos give a false impression. I've yet to see someone post one of them doing something stupid and getting owned by mobs that wasn't a comedy setup. Not One.
never having played the game before how am i to tell sector 2 from sector 1? This could lead me to mis-represent the game as you have described.
i assume you could differentiate between the two - being an actual player and all
so anyone who wants to post up vids or links to vids which show sector 2 combat?
show me
never having played the game before how am i to tell sector 2 from sector 1? This could lead me to mis-represent the game as you have described.
i assume you could differentiate between the two - being an actual player and all
so anyone who wants to post up vids or links to vids which show sector 2 combat?
show me
If you're really wanting to find vids of S2 combat, you would've already found them yourself. I don't even play FE, and it took me less than a minute to find some on YouTube.
You could differentiate between the two by reading vid descriptions.
Current: None
Played: WoW, CoX, SWG, LotRO, EVE, AoC, VG, CO, Ryzom, DF, WAR
Tried: Lineage2, Dofus, EQ2, CoS, FE, UO, Wurm, Wakfu
Future: The Repopulation, ArcheAge, Black Desert, EQN
don't you think i've already looked?
don't you think i know how to use youtube?
don't you think if i knew what sector 2 combat looked like i'd be here asking about it?
there are currently NO vids on youtube entitled 'fallen earth sector 2'
there are currently NO vids on youtube entitled 'sector 2 combat'
which is why i am here - relying on YOU people - who recognise the signs - to direct me to the right vids - i'm being pateint - i'm waiting for the good pple in this thread to show me some of the nice features they are talking about - because every vis i;ve seen so far SEEMS to be of sector 1 and the AI SEEM to be as thick as two short planks!!
don;t come in here saying 'you don;t know how to use youtube hahah!' because it's a specific thing i'm looking for
now i'm not accepting that's the limit of the AI in this game because the pple in this thread have led me to believe otherwise
are they wrong?
In all seriousness, though, the information is out there. It's just the matter of fact attitude you took in your OP when you haven't even played the game, and which I have been for a long time now, that's just a put off to giving any links or even trying to argue your points. Course, there are enough positive threads on this forum, from people who railed on the game who had at least some actual game time who later did a 180 on their view that show FE's merits that arguing against these type of threads or trying to win every individual over who posts these type threads is a waste of time.
The amount of people I run into at all times of the day, the realistic estimate of 50K subs making FE very profitable for Icarus and the relative lack of doom and glooming on the original forums and in game chat let me know in the current situation FE has a good solid start. The game needs no justification, especially to someone who hasn't played it yet feels compelled to rant in a "fact of matter" manner.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Chavez y Chavez
I played the game for a couple of weeks. I too was turned off by the combat. It felt overly clunky. I did like the community and the general atmosphere of the game, but the lack of polish and the clunky combat was a killer for me. I might check it out in a few months when the developers have had more time to polish it.
the justification? well its Hardcore!! Perhaps to hardcore for you
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.
George Washington
In all seriousness, though, the information is out there. It's just the matter of fact attitude you took in your OP when you haven't even played the game, and which I have been for a long time now, that's just a put off to giving any links or even trying to argue your points. Course, there are enough positive threads on this forum, from people who railed on the game who had at least some actual game time who later did a 180 on their view that show FE's merits that arguing against these type of threads or trying to win every individual over who posts these type threads is a waste of time.
The amount of people I run into at all times of the day, the realistic estimate of 50K subs making FE very profitable for Icarus and the relative lack of doom and glooming on the original forums and in game chat let me know in the current situation FE has a good solid start. The game needs no justification, especially to someone who hasn't played it yet feels compelled to rant in a "fact of matter" manner.
refer to steve above
i guss i'm gonna have to wait until maji gets to sector2
i've been watching ur vids religiously maj - thnx for all the effort
post 'em up then
you coulda done it in the time you took to write that drivel
Ugh... I'm sure that was tongue-in-cheek, but can we please stay away from tossing around the "you're not hardcore enough" theme? There's nothing "hardcore" about playing a video game. Ever.
Also, it's a bit too reminiscent of the regurgitated mantra repeated ad nauseum in the Darkfall threads to anyone who dares criticize it; "the game's too hardcore for you". -roll eyes- This community is, for the most part, way above DF's and I really would hate to see it dragged down to that level.
Just a personal request... Thanks
That said... Coming into a thread, criticizing the game and "advising the developers" of what changes to make to something they've not invested a single dime in, and wanting people to "justify" it to them is... well... arrogant. I think the OP just needs to do their own research, like everyone else did and then make the same decision everyone else did... whether or not they're willing to give the game a try for themself.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
post 'em up then
you coulda done it in the time you took to write that drivel
... Who the hell are you exactly? What are we, your freaking secretaries?
Here's a suggestion: Stop being so damn lazy and do your own research.
FFS.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
At this time the game is a little clunky in some areas if you compare FE to some other MMO's....not being a "techie" I would say that some of the char/npc movements/AI could do with some refining. In saying that I have no doubt that these things will be ironed out in time, much as they have been in just about every other MMO I have been in. What this company has managed to achieve is pretty amazing, especially so when held up in comparison to the offerings lately fromother big budget companies.
If nothing else think of your game purchase as a positive vote for a change in what we want in MMO's, have no expectations from FE (i.e. dont race to max level) and you will find it is a pretty good MMO.
UO beta, etc etc ---> present day.
Currently in LOTRO while waiting for another DAOC to arrive!.
post 'em up then
you coulda done it in the time you took to write that drivel
That's assuming that I have any personal interest in bringing you to this game. I don't, sorry.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Chavez y Chavez