I think I will try Aion when they come out with a free trial, not a big fan of PvP and from what I have read the game is pretty boring if you choose not to PvP
That's not true at all. Also, they are releasing a patch soon that will boost quest exp dramatically.
Also, I told Patience at PaX that a lot of us would like to see the game move back to SoA style of play and she said they are working on it. So we shall see with the release of the big expac in the spring.
I'd have to say LOTRO is still on my "I hope to find time to actually get to end game some day" list. The best pve game available atm but Aion is loads of fun. You do have to have a taste for pvp but what joy that bit is. Mixed with not so bad pve and everything else it offers it's a pretty darn good package. I'll probably be buying the lifetime for LOTRO sometime soon I'll HAVE to play the game once they get to Rohan...:P
... What was nice was that I actually had a long talk with Jeffrey Steefel at Pax and was able to tell him why I had, at the time, cancelled LOTRO. Very nice guy and very open to listening to players. In any case he had indicated many upcoming changes so we shall see. ...
Could you share what he told you?
I'm sorry I just saw this post.
There was a lot. He talked about DDO and that they were concerrned that they were going to lose more of the playerbase than they actually did when they added the f2p model. He also added that more people use their new cash shop then they anticipated.
He also said that they learned a lot from their experiences and were going to be revamping areas in the game, not just adding content to the end game. They realized that they made mistakes with how they did some quests and that things were a bit too "grindy" in some ways.
He did reveal that they wanted to appeal to the players of their game and not necessarily all gamers. This was my take on what he said. For instance, he actually mentioned the old forest issue.
Back in closed beta the old forest was more convoluted. I personally preferred this as one could get lost. The guy who designed the forest was more of an old school gamer and wanted it so that the forest could possibly make people lost. J. Steefel had told this designer that getting lost wasn't fun and that players didn't like it. Well, yadda yadda yadda, the old forest is not what it used to be.
Now, he did say that this particular designer is now making extremely good content in line with how they want to make the game. However, it did show me that what I find fun and what he and others find fun are very different.
Of course he talked quite a bit about the skirmish system and that they really are trying to get away from large raids. They were very aware of the playerbase's feelings regarding the radiance system and how some players didn't want to have this conent gating affecting them.
I also mentioned that though I loved the world I hated the avatars and gear. He then said that they were aware of how players felt about this subject but that they had ways of tracking players and data that suggested that there were players who loved the look and the look of the gear.
To go further on this, they are very aware of who is doing what quests, who is taking advantage of differnet quest lines, which classes are not played as much, where players tend to steer away from, etc.
Basically they track everything.
In the end I got that they were all very nice people. lol, heck one of the guys who I spoke to had recently moved closer to the Turbine offices but funny enough he lived down the street from me. Small world!
They seem to be very friendly people One of the women there was a lot like a mom in how she spoke to people.
In any case, if you were curious about something that he might have touched upon just ask and if he did mention it I will try my best to remember what he said.
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I really wanna like LOTRO and I do to some degree.Fact is I love the ppl at Turbine Asherons Call was my first mmog and from there I have continued to buy pretty much everything they have made including Asherons Call 2.They do try to make there customers happy thats for sure.I am on the fence even now about resubbing and takin advantage of the deal they have going.If combat was abit better and I could actually get in groups to do the book quests I would probly stay there community is great.
I really wanna like LOTRO and I do to some degree.Fact is I love the ppl at Turbine Asherons Call was my first mmog and from there I have continued to buy pretty much everything they have made including Asherons Call 2.They do try to make there customers happy thats for sure.I am on the fence even now about resubbing and takin advantage of the deal they have going.If combat was abit better and I could actually get in groups to do the book quests I would probly stay there community is great.
1. The new combat system will hopefully address your concerns - right now auto-attacks delay the firing off of skills, which is what makes it feel slow and unresponsive.
2. That's a common complaint about the book quests. Starting with the next Book (Vol 2, Book 9), they are going to allow scaling the book quests just like the Skirmishes; that is, everything will be soloable if you want. Hopefully they will eventually retrofit this system for *all* the group content - especially important for the lvl45 class quests in Carn Dum and Urgarth. The Skirmish system is definitely what I'm most excited about for SoM.
I really wanna like LOTRO and I do to some degree.Fact is I love the ppl at Turbine Asherons Call was my first mmog and from there I have continued to buy pretty much everything they have made including Asherons Call 2.They do try to make there customers happy thats for sure.I am on the fence even now about resubbing and takin advantage of the deal they have going.If combat was abit better and I could actually get in groups to do the book quests I would probly stay there community is great.
1. The new combat system will hopefully address your concerns - right now auto-attacks delay the firing off of skills, which is what makes it feel slow and unresponsive.
2. That's a common complaint about the book quests. Starting with the next Book (Vol 2, Book 9), they are going to allow scaling the book quests just like the Skirmishes; that is, everything will be soloable if you want. Hopefully they will eventually retrofit this system for *all* the group content - especially important for the lvl45 class quests in Carn Dum and Urgarth. The Skirmish system is definitely what I'm most excited about for SoM.
Awesome what I like to hear I am not against grouping at all but when your a parent plus workin a 9-5 it can make it difficult at best plus finding people to actually wanna do the low lvl book quests is about impossible.But I am gonna go ahead and take advantage of the offer they have going skirmish system sounds great I agree.
Hi guys. Just finished playing Aion . Found the game and the grind so mind numbing. THe abyss is gank central unless you have a pally with you. And at the moment the abyss is all its got going for it. I guess i have always being a PVE guy and on that bases i find LOTRO the best there is atm. Just as an added bonus the graphics in LOTRO are so much better than AION. Anyway see you guys in the game.
hmmm interesting.
I've played LOTRO since closed beta and I've moved to Aion as my main game.
Besides, the art design for both games is very different. LOTRO has better detailed areas but Aion blows LOTRO out of the water for avatars. I actually moved one of my avatars around, looking at the moving hair and thought "now why can't the turbine guys do something like this instead of hair that looks like a clay helmet".
What was nice was that I actually had a long talk with Jeffrey Steefel at Pax and was able to tell him why I had, at the time, cancelled LOTRO. Very nice guy and very open to listening to players. In any case he had indicated many upcoming changes so we shall see.
Until then, I will wait for the mirkwood update (what else is there to do? An alt? grind for first age legendary weapons?) to see if they get LOTRO on track.
Stop hinting and tell me more! Did the two of you specifically discuss player models? This is the biggest reason why I left LoTRO. I just had the hardest time feeling any sort of connection to any of my avatars do to the ugly character models.
The sooner that devs realize how big a role the connection plays between a player and it's avatars, the sooner those devs will have greater success in this industry. I, like many people just have trouble getting into a game if I don't feel any attachment to my avatar(s)!
This is one of the biggest things that Aion got right IMO! If LoTRO had a character creator and player models even remotely close to Aions, it would immediately bring me back.
did alot of research into aion didnt like it much not a pvp fan talked into getting it by my cousin didnt cancel in time so got this month then i too am going back to lotro and my very similar to templar warden
Hi guys. Just finished playing Aion . Found the game and the grind so mind numbing. THe abyss is gank central unless you have a pally with you. And at the moment the abyss is all its got going for it. I guess i have always being a PVE guy and on that bases i find LOTRO the best there is atm. Just as an added bonus the graphics in LOTRO are so much better than AION. Anyway see you guys in the game.
Why would a PvE driven player even bother with Aion.
Hi guys. Just finished playing Aion . Found the game and the grind so mind numbing. THe abyss is gank central unless you have a pally with you. And at the moment the abyss is all its got going for it. I guess i have always being a PVE guy and on that bases i find LOTRO the best there is atm. Just as an added bonus the graphics in LOTRO are so much better than AION. Anyway see you guys in the game.
hmmm interesting.
I've played LOTRO since closed beta and I've moved to Aion as my main game.
Besides, the art design for both games is very different. LOTRO has better detailed areas but Aion blows LOTRO out of the water for avatars. I actually moved one of my avatars around, looking at the moving hair and thought "now why can't the turbine guys do something like this instead of hair that looks like a clay helmet".
What was nice was that I actually had a long talk with Jeffrey Steefel at Pax and was able to tell him why I had, at the time, cancelled LOTRO. Very nice guy and very open to listening to players. In any case he had indicated many upcoming changes so we shall see.
Until then, I will wait for the mirkwood update (what else is there to do? An alt? grind for first age legendary weapons?) to see if they get LOTRO on track.
Stop hinting and tell me more! Did the two of you specifically discuss player models? This is the biggest reason why I left LoTRO. I just had the hardest time feeling any sort of connection to any of my avatars do to the ugly character models.
The sooner that devs realize how big a role the connection plays between a player and it's avatars, the sooner those devs will have greater success in this industry. I, like many people just have trouble getting into a game if I don't feel any attachment to my avatar(s)!
This is one of the biggest things that Aion got right IMO! If LoTRO had a character creator and player models even remotely close to Aions, it would immediately bring me back.
I didn't hint, I posted part of what we talked about above.
We didn't exactly talk about models as such. I did say that I wasn't thrilled with the art design of the player models and I also told him that I didn't really like most of the armor and weapon designs. I was polite about it but he came back with the fact that they understood that people didnt' like these things but they since they track everything in game they also knew that there were people who did like them.
I don't know how they can track that but that was the gist of that part of the conversation.
But I mentioned this above. Just scroll up or go back a page.
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Hi guys. Just finished playing Aion . Found the game and the grind so mind numbing. THe abyss is gank central unless you have a pally with you. And at the moment the abyss is all its got going for it. I guess i have always being a PVE guy and on that bases i find LOTRO the best there is atm. Just as an added bonus the graphics in LOTRO are so much better than AION. Anyway see you guys in the game.
hmmm interesting.
I've played LOTRO since closed beta and I've moved to Aion as my main game.
Besides, the art design for both games is very different. LOTRO has better detailed areas but Aion blows LOTRO out of the water for avatars. I actually moved one of my avatars around, looking at the moving hair and thought "now why can't the turbine guys do something like this instead of hair that looks like a clay helmet".
What was nice was that I actually had a long talk with Jeffrey Steefel at Pax and was able to tell him why I had, at the time, cancelled LOTRO. Very nice guy and very open to listening to players. In any case he had indicated many upcoming changes so we shall see.
Until then, I will wait for the mirkwood update (what else is there to do? An alt? grind for first age legendary weapons?) to see if they get LOTRO on track.
Stop hinting and tell me more! Did the two of you specifically discuss player models? This is the biggest reason why I left LoTRO. I just had the hardest time feeling any sort of connection to any of my avatars do to the ugly character models.
The sooner that devs realize how big a role the connection plays between a player and it's avatars, the sooner those devs will have greater success in this industry. I, like many people just have trouble getting into a game if I don't feel any attachment to my avatar(s)!
This is one of the biggest things that Aion got right IMO! If LoTRO had a character creator and player models even remotely close to Aions, it would immediately bring me back.
I didn't hint, I posted part of what we talked about above.
We didn't exactly talk about models as such. I did say that I wasn't thrilled with the art design of the player models and I also told him that I didn't really like most of the armor and weapon designs. I was polite about it but he came back with the fact that they understood that people didnt' like these things but they since they track everything in game they also knew that there were people who did like them.
I don't know how they can track that but that was the gist of that part of the conversation.
But I mentioned this above. Just scroll up or go back a page.
Hey Sorvath, did he mention anything about crafting? They interfered with how people were enjoying themselves rather than expanding on it in my opinion. They seemed to have diminished it even further as well addiing a grind. The game misses those people.
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Hi guys. Just finished playing Aion . Found the game and the grind so mind numbing. THe abyss is gank central unless you have a pally with you. And at the moment the abyss is all its got going for it. I guess i have always being a PVE guy and on that bases i find LOTRO the best there is atm. Just as an added bonus the graphics in LOTRO are so much better than AION. Anyway see you guys in the game.
Sorry you didn't enjoy your time in Aion and if you prefer PvE then Lotro is without a doubt a very good game though how anyone who has done the pie and postal quest series can complain about a grind is a bit boggling. EQ2 also has some very good PvE content but suffers from many of the same issues that Lotro has.
One point I would like to make and it isn't specifically about the OP here but is the constant use of the words Gank and Grind and how they have become meaningless or at least how they are being misused.
Grind means doing the same thing over and over and over to simply gain money or experience or both and this is basically possible in any game. Levelling by any stretch of the imagination is going to be repetitive and derivative. Not to pick on Lotro but the two quests I mentioned earlier has in one you getting bad pies and returning then from all over the zone and the other has you taking mail bags from one town to another. Oh, in one quest you need to avoid hungry hobbits and in the other you need to avoid nosey hobbits so they are nothing alike. Sorry but that is repetitive AND a copy of each other the fact that you then have to return something like 10 pies and or mail bags makes it a grind for many people. But, really it isn't it is just part of levelling.
In other words simply playing the game is not a grind but playing it in such a way where you focus solely on gaining money and experience and ignore the content that is a grind and you have it in every game so to accuse Aion of being grindy might be accurate but is ignoring the fact that this is what the entire genre is built on and is accurate for every game out there and as the old timers can tell you people who haven't played EQ don't really know what a grind is.
Now in any PvP game you have the problem where a low level player gets killed by a high level player and people have started to call this ganking when ever it happens and that really isn't the case. Ganking is more along the lines of griefing where a higher level player comes along and preys upon the poor innocent player who is simply trying to level up and they have no way to avoid this. But this isn't the case in Aion at least. Aion PvP is many ways like Eve PvP in that there are safe areas and then there is a general free for all area if you wander alone, under equipped, unprepared and stupid into the PvP zone you are fair game for anyone that comes along and finds you. Don't go doing solo quests at level 25 into the Abyss and then complain if an opposition player kills you since that is the whole purpose of the Abyss. Yeah that level 40 player could have left you alone but you need not to look at him as a player but as a high level mob that has a huge agro range who is probably going to attack you if you give him a chance. That is NOT ganking that is PvP with you either putting yourself in a position to die or taking proper precautions and keeping an eye open to defend yourself.
I've been killed numerous times in the Abyss by other players but I have also gotten away from them and other times have banded together with other players to turn the tables and kill them. Players running around looking for targets love to see the solo player beating on PvP mobs the same way you would love to find a rare named spawn pop in front of you. They aren't ganking you they are harvesting you and you deserve to die if you haven't been paying attention.
Now, I am not saying that the OP is wrong not to have enjoyed Aion and if he prefers Lotro then he needs to go back to that and have fun. There are a lot of great things to do in Lotro and the community is very good and friendly but it seems a bit unfair to like Lotro and consider it the best RPG around and then to fault a different game for not being Lotro (or WoW, AO, Eve, etc).
i quit this game when i find that its almost impossible to complete abyss quest without being ganked. i play elyos on nekezan server. and most of the fortress are captured by asmodians. I feel so frustrated keep getting ganked, can't do quests in peace. guess im a super duper pve guy.
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I really wanna like LOTRO and I do to some degree.Fact is I love the ppl at Turbine Asherons Call was my first mmog and from there I have continued to buy pretty much everything they have made including Asherons Call 2.They do try to make there customers happy thats for sure.I am on the fence even now about resubbing and takin advantage of the deal they have going.If combat was abit better and I could actually get in groups to do the book quests I would probly stay there community is great.
1. The new combat system will hopefully address your concerns - right now auto-attacks delay the firing off of skills, which is what makes it feel slow and unresponsive.
2. That's a common complaint about the book quests. Starting with the next Book (Vol 2, Book 9), they are going to allow scaling the book quests just like the Skirmishes; that is, everything will be soloable if you want. Hopefully they will eventually retrofit this system for *all* the group content - especially important for the lvl45 class quests in Carn Dum and Urgarth. The Skirmish system is definitely what I'm most excited about for SoM.
2) I hope this is the case with scaling all the lower level group content to make them soloable...even if they only do that for the book quests, that would be great. When I quit LotRO, 30 out of the 35 quests in my log were group quests, and I just got sick of being LFF all the time while trying to find some soloable quests.
Wow...you didn't even make it to theend of the free month. Sorta a waste of money don't you think?
LOL i only lasted 9 days in FE and i would say i only played about a total of 9 hours,maybe.
The thing is ,time is more important than money,if you continue to waste time in something you don't like,you can NEVER recover that time back.I actually already decided to quit FE in the second day,money was of no concern at all to me,i considered it a donation for their future development lol.
Even if i spent 500 bucks on a game,i could quit day 1 if the game was not what i wanted/needed or hoped for.
I think the problems i am reading from Aion gamers is one of the game design more so than the grind we hear them complaining about.I think what is happening is that once they have no easy mode questing to level up anymore,they look to the Abyss and PVP and soon realize how bad PVP is in games,i think they forget as they jump from game to game.PVP is the problem here not GRIND not so much the questing system or the game.
I have said this before ,once you utilize PVP you will ALWAYS have a 50/50 scenario,one half is happy the other half is not.That is not a good % to live by in a game,PVE promotes a 100/0 ratio,or close to it ,where by everyone is happy apart from the usual whining you see in games.So this is why we see instant numbers in PVP type games,they all want in but 50% want out eventually.
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You see lil kid, back in the day us "old timers" had these MMOs where they had good PvE mixed in with some good PvP (OMG! You got PvE in my PvP!). Games like UO, AC, DAoC ...
The problem now is that most games are either one or the other ... or an attempt at both with one side being extremely weak (PvMP, for example).
Anywho .. I really liked AION, but I won't be subbing. NCSoft has sat back and let their game become infested with Bots. They are EVERYWHERE ... even in the abyss farming shards.
I like how Aion fanbois are trying to redefine what "Grind" is in MMO..."Grind" is to repeatedly have to kill mobs to level without quests really...now some have added the Quest Grind as in doing multiple quests....but intruth that defies the original idea behind "Grind" unless you are doing the same quest over and over again. Get over it if you have to kill monsters outside of quests to level it is grinding.
Well I play LoTRO and did try Aion in hopes of something new and entertaining. I am a PvP guy first and foremost so Aion made perfect sense for my new game. That was until I tried it and found the PvP to be lacking, the PvE to be beyond grindy and all in all just a game that bored me. Thats not to say it isn't a good game or entertaining to some people, just not to me. Because of this LoTRO is my primary game still at the moment. If I want a PvP fix I just log back into Asheron's Call on Darktide
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Why would a LotRO player play AION? *Shakes head* You see lil kid, back in the day us "old timers" had these MMOs where they had good PvE mixed in with some good PvP (OMG! You got PvE in my PvP!). Games like UO, AC, DAoC ... The problem now is that most games are either one or the other ... or an attempt at both with one side being extremely weak (PvMP, for example). Anywho .. I really liked AION, but I won't be subbing. NCSoft has sat back and let their game become infested with Bots. They are EVERYWHERE ... even in the abyss farming shards.
The point being Aion is marketed as a PvP game, and LoTRO is very much not a PvP game.
None of the games you mentioned had particularly good PvE content, if you honestly believe they did you should go back and give them a try. Absence makes the heart grow fonder. Aion has better PvE than every one of those games,but you keep looking through those rose colored glass if it makes you feel better.. I certainly wouldn't have played DAoC for its stimulating PvE gameplay.
I've been playing MMOs since they started with the muds on Genie, so I guess that makes me an "old timer". My brain still isn't addled enough to, for instance, look for good PvP content in LoTRO... so I'm not sure why you'd look for stellar PvE content in Aion.
I won't argue Aion's advantages or disadvantages on LOTRO's forum - there's plenty of that going on within Aion's forum. I will say, though, that LOTRO makes a fine fallback point from Aion. Aion's being marketed as a PvP game, and unfortunately that puts it in direct competition with some rather mature, truly PvP-focused MMOs. After spending over a hundred hours in Aion, I realize I'm simply not welcome there. I'm welcome in LOTRO. It's not the PvP mechanism - I'm also welcome in EVE - but that the game simply isn't ready for prime-time.
Besides, with the Mirkwood expansion just around the corner, I'm looking forward once again to LOTRO.
Hi guys. Just finished playing Aion . Found the game and the grind so mind numbing. THe abyss is gank central unless you have a pally with you. And at the moment the abyss is all its got going for it. I guess i have always being a PVE guy and on that bases i find LOTRO the best there is atm. Just as an added bonus the graphics in LOTRO are so much better than AION. Anyway see you guys in the game.
Another good reason to fall back on LOTRO is to recover from the horrible community in Aion.
The open-world PVP & heavy grind might weed out the 'carebears' and 'wowtards' but at least this game's solid RP foundation seperates the civilized from the feral.
LoTRo ain't a grind, and no you don't get skills from killing X number of mobs you get titles then stat incresses through virtues from killing X number of mobs. Which is totally optional, I have three max lvl characters and I have not spent hardly any time working on virtues at all. When I do work on them I get a group together and everyone kills them own mob in that area, full group can burn through even the end game virtues in a half hour. Vs Aion needing to grind to actually lvl up, which is what people are complaining over. As to the whole wavey hair thing, my computer can stomach those graphics with ease, but I'm running a high end dual core, sli, 8 gig rig made for gaming. Most people out there don't have a grand or more to throw down for a pc so game manufacturers decide do I want pretty, or do I want pretty and playable. The smart ones opt for pretty and playable if they plan to have a lot of people on screen at one time.
That is what he was refering to, the virtues. And if one could get a group together to "burn through" them then one could just as easily get a group together in Aion and burn through group related content with great xp. There are several areas that are only for grouups and the xp is extremely good.
To that end, "no" you don't have to grind to level up. There are quests out there. It's just that people are not taking the time to find them or are wanting to compeltely be led to them each time they are made available. If an npc doesn't have a quest there is a chance he might have one in a level or two.
My logbook is filled with quests that I never finished.
If the above is your experience so far you are still a pretty low level. Quests begin to dry up at around 37+ and by 43 you have 4-5 left to do. Hopping into a group to burn out an instance, or a goup related quest is anything but "Good" exp.. as a matter of fact I make more in a few hours solo grinding than I would spending double the time in an Elite grind/instance group.
You are not yet at the level where you apparantly can see the grind, the lack of quests, and the carrot begining to shrivel..... you are therefore the exact opposite of whats needed to argue these threads.
To clarify another point : There is a grind in Lotro, there is a grind in EVERY Mmo. The catch with Aion is the grind is horridly boring, where as some games, Lotro being the example here.. disguise the grind well enough most don't notice it for what it is. THAT is the issue : Aion gives little to no incentive to grind, and makes it as boring as possible.
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That's not true at all. Also, they are releasing a patch soon that will boost quest exp dramatically.
Also, I told Patience at PaX that a lot of us would like to see the game move back to SoA style of play and she said they are working on it. So we shall see with the release of the big expac in the spring.
I'd have to say LOTRO is still on my "I hope to find time to actually get to end game some day" list. The best pve game available atm but Aion is loads of fun. You do have to have a taste for pvp but what joy that bit is. Mixed with not so bad pve and everything else it offers it's a pretty darn good package. I'll probably be buying the lifetime for LOTRO sometime soon I'll HAVE to play the game once they get to Rohan...:P
Could you share what he told you?
I'm sorry I just saw this post.
There was a lot. He talked about DDO and that they were concerrned that they were going to lose more of the playerbase than they actually did when they added the f2p model. He also added that more people use their new cash shop then they anticipated.
He also said that they learned a lot from their experiences and were going to be revamping areas in the game, not just adding content to the end game. They realized that they made mistakes with how they did some quests and that things were a bit too "grindy" in some ways.
He did reveal that they wanted to appeal to the players of their game and not necessarily all gamers. This was my take on what he said. For instance, he actually mentioned the old forest issue.
Back in closed beta the old forest was more convoluted. I personally preferred this as one could get lost. The guy who designed the forest was more of an old school gamer and wanted it so that the forest could possibly make people lost. J. Steefel had told this designer that getting lost wasn't fun and that players didn't like it. Well, yadda yadda yadda, the old forest is not what it used to be.
Now, he did say that this particular designer is now making extremely good content in line with how they want to make the game. However, it did show me that what I find fun and what he and others find fun are very different.
Of course he talked quite a bit about the skirmish system and that they really are trying to get away from large raids. They were very aware of the playerbase's feelings regarding the radiance system and how some players didn't want to have this conent gating affecting them.
I also mentioned that though I loved the world I hated the avatars and gear. He then said that they were aware of how players felt about this subject but that they had ways of tracking players and data that suggested that there were players who loved the look and the look of the gear.
To go further on this, they are very aware of who is doing what quests, who is taking advantage of differnet quest lines, which classes are not played as much, where players tend to steer away from, etc.
Basically they track everything.
In the end I got that they were all very nice people. lol, heck one of the guys who I spoke to had recently moved closer to the Turbine offices but funny enough he lived down the street from me. Small world!
They seem to be very friendly people One of the women there was a lot like a mom in how she spoke to people.
In any case, if you were curious about something that he might have touched upon just ask and if he did mention it I will try my best to remember what he said.
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Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
I really wanna like LOTRO and I do to some degree.Fact is I love the ppl at Turbine Asherons Call was my first mmog and from there I have continued to buy pretty much everything they have made including Asherons Call 2.They do try to make there customers happy thats for sure.I am on the fence even now about resubbing and takin advantage of the deal they have going.If combat was abit better and I could actually get in groups to do the book quests I would probly stay there community is great.
1. The new combat system will hopefully address your concerns - right now auto-attacks delay the firing off of skills, which is what makes it feel slow and unresponsive.
2. That's a common complaint about the book quests. Starting with the next Book (Vol 2, Book 9), they are going to allow scaling the book quests just like the Skirmishes; that is, everything will be soloable if you want. Hopefully they will eventually retrofit this system for *all* the group content - especially important for the lvl45 class quests in Carn Dum and Urgarth. The Skirmish system is definitely what I'm most excited about for SoM.
1. The new combat system will hopefully address your concerns - right now auto-attacks delay the firing off of skills, which is what makes it feel slow and unresponsive.
2. That's a common complaint about the book quests. Starting with the next Book (Vol 2, Book 9), they are going to allow scaling the book quests just like the Skirmishes; that is, everything will be soloable if you want. Hopefully they will eventually retrofit this system for *all* the group content - especially important for the lvl45 class quests in Carn Dum and Urgarth. The Skirmish system is definitely what I'm most excited about for SoM.
Awesome what I like to hear I am not against grouping at all but when your a parent plus workin a 9-5 it can make it difficult at best plus finding people to actually wanna do the low lvl book quests is about impossible.But I am gonna go ahead and take advantage of the offer they have going skirmish system sounds great I agree.
hmmm interesting.
I've played LOTRO since closed beta and I've moved to Aion as my main game.
Besides, the art design for both games is very different. LOTRO has better detailed areas but Aion blows LOTRO out of the water for avatars. I actually moved one of my avatars around, looking at the moving hair and thought "now why can't the turbine guys do something like this instead of hair that looks like a clay helmet".
What was nice was that I actually had a long talk with Jeffrey Steefel at Pax and was able to tell him why I had, at the time, cancelled LOTRO. Very nice guy and very open to listening to players. In any case he had indicated many upcoming changes so we shall see.
Until then, I will wait for the mirkwood update (what else is there to do? An alt? grind for first age legendary weapons?) to see if they get LOTRO on track.
Stop hinting and tell me more! Did the two of you specifically discuss player models? This is the biggest reason why I left LoTRO. I just had the hardest time feeling any sort of connection to any of my avatars do to the ugly character models.
The sooner that devs realize how big a role the connection plays between a player and it's avatars, the sooner those devs will have greater success in this industry. I, like many people just have trouble getting into a game if I don't feel any attachment to my avatar(s)!
This is one of the biggest things that Aion got right IMO! If LoTRO had a character creator and player models even remotely close to Aions, it would immediately bring me back.
Your fail comment, failed.
did alot of research into aion didnt like it much not a pvp fan talked into getting it by my cousin didnt cancel in time so got this month then i too am going back to lotro and my very similar to templar warden
Why would a PvE driven player even bother with Aion.
I think you mean for people that don't like to pvp that is all Lotro is
hmmm interesting.
I've played LOTRO since closed beta and I've moved to Aion as my main game.
Besides, the art design for both games is very different. LOTRO has better detailed areas but Aion blows LOTRO out of the water for avatars. I actually moved one of my avatars around, looking at the moving hair and thought "now why can't the turbine guys do something like this instead of hair that looks like a clay helmet".
What was nice was that I actually had a long talk with Jeffrey Steefel at Pax and was able to tell him why I had, at the time, cancelled LOTRO. Very nice guy and very open to listening to players. In any case he had indicated many upcoming changes so we shall see.
Until then, I will wait for the mirkwood update (what else is there to do? An alt? grind for first age legendary weapons?) to see if they get LOTRO on track.
Stop hinting and tell me more! Did the two of you specifically discuss player models? This is the biggest reason why I left LoTRO. I just had the hardest time feeling any sort of connection to any of my avatars do to the ugly character models.
The sooner that devs realize how big a role the connection plays between a player and it's avatars, the sooner those devs will have greater success in this industry. I, like many people just have trouble getting into a game if I don't feel any attachment to my avatar(s)!
This is one of the biggest things that Aion got right IMO! If LoTRO had a character creator and player models even remotely close to Aions, it would immediately bring me back.
I didn't hint, I posted part of what we talked about above.
We didn't exactly talk about models as such. I did say that I wasn't thrilled with the art design of the player models and I also told him that I didn't really like most of the armor and weapon designs. I was polite about it but he came back with the fact that they understood that people didnt' like these things but they since they track everything in game they also knew that there were people who did like them.
I don't know how they can track that but that was the gist of that part of the conversation.
But I mentioned this above. Just scroll up or go back a page.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
hmmm interesting.
I've played LOTRO since closed beta and I've moved to Aion as my main game.
Besides, the art design for both games is very different. LOTRO has better detailed areas but Aion blows LOTRO out of the water for avatars. I actually moved one of my avatars around, looking at the moving hair and thought "now why can't the turbine guys do something like this instead of hair that looks like a clay helmet".
What was nice was that I actually had a long talk with Jeffrey Steefel at Pax and was able to tell him why I had, at the time, cancelled LOTRO. Very nice guy and very open to listening to players. In any case he had indicated many upcoming changes so we shall see.
Until then, I will wait for the mirkwood update (what else is there to do? An alt? grind for first age legendary weapons?) to see if they get LOTRO on track.
Stop hinting and tell me more! Did the two of you specifically discuss player models? This is the biggest reason why I left LoTRO. I just had the hardest time feeling any sort of connection to any of my avatars do to the ugly character models.
The sooner that devs realize how big a role the connection plays between a player and it's avatars, the sooner those devs will have greater success in this industry. I, like many people just have trouble getting into a game if I don't feel any attachment to my avatar(s)!
This is one of the biggest things that Aion got right IMO! If LoTRO had a character creator and player models even remotely close to Aions, it would immediately bring me back.
I didn't hint, I posted part of what we talked about above.
We didn't exactly talk about models as such. I did say that I wasn't thrilled with the art design of the player models and I also told him that I didn't really like most of the armor and weapon designs. I was polite about it but he came back with the fact that they understood that people didnt' like these things but they since they track everything in game they also knew that there were people who did like them.
I don't know how they can track that but that was the gist of that part of the conversation.
But I mentioned this above. Just scroll up or go back a page.
Hey Sorvath, did he mention anything about crafting? They interfered with how people were enjoying themselves rather than expanding on it in my opinion. They seemed to have diminished it even further as well addiing a grind. The game misses those people.
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Sorry you didn't enjoy your time in Aion and if you prefer PvE then Lotro is without a doubt a very good game though how anyone who has done the pie and postal quest series can complain about a grind is a bit boggling. EQ2 also has some very good PvE content but suffers from many of the same issues that Lotro has.
One point I would like to make and it isn't specifically about the OP here but is the constant use of the words Gank and Grind and how they have become meaningless or at least how they are being misused.
Grind means doing the same thing over and over and over to simply gain money or experience or both and this is basically possible in any game. Levelling by any stretch of the imagination is going to be repetitive and derivative. Not to pick on Lotro but the two quests I mentioned earlier has in one you getting bad pies and returning then from all over the zone and the other has you taking mail bags from one town to another. Oh, in one quest you need to avoid hungry hobbits and in the other you need to avoid nosey hobbits so they are nothing alike. Sorry but that is repetitive AND a copy of each other the fact that you then have to return something like 10 pies and or mail bags makes it a grind for many people. But, really it isn't it is just part of levelling.
In other words simply playing the game is not a grind but playing it in such a way where you focus solely on gaining money and experience and ignore the content that is a grind and you have it in every game so to accuse Aion of being grindy might be accurate but is ignoring the fact that this is what the entire genre is built on and is accurate for every game out there and as the old timers can tell you people who haven't played EQ don't really know what a grind is.
Now in any PvP game you have the problem where a low level player gets killed by a high level player and people have started to call this ganking when ever it happens and that really isn't the case. Ganking is more along the lines of griefing where a higher level player comes along and preys upon the poor innocent player who is simply trying to level up and they have no way to avoid this. But this isn't the case in Aion at least. Aion PvP is many ways like Eve PvP in that there are safe areas and then there is a general free for all area if you wander alone, under equipped, unprepared and stupid into the PvP zone you are fair game for anyone that comes along and finds you. Don't go doing solo quests at level 25 into the Abyss and then complain if an opposition player kills you since that is the whole purpose of the Abyss. Yeah that level 40 player could have left you alone but you need not to look at him as a player but as a high level mob that has a huge agro range who is probably going to attack you if you give him a chance. That is NOT ganking that is PvP with you either putting yourself in a position to die or taking proper precautions and keeping an eye open to defend yourself.
I've been killed numerous times in the Abyss by other players but I have also gotten away from them and other times have banded together with other players to turn the tables and kill them. Players running around looking for targets love to see the solo player beating on PvP mobs the same way you would love to find a rare named spawn pop in front of you. They aren't ganking you they are harvesting you and you deserve to die if you haven't been paying attention.
Now, I am not saying that the OP is wrong not to have enjoyed Aion and if he prefers Lotro then he needs to go back to that and have fun. There are a lot of great things to do in Lotro and the community is very good and friendly but it seems a bit unfair to like Lotro and consider it the best RPG around and then to fault a different game for not being Lotro (or WoW, AO, Eve, etc).
i quit this game when i find that its almost impossible to complete abyss quest without being ganked. i play elyos on nekezan server. and most of the fortress are captured by asmodians. I feel so frustrated keep getting ganked, can't do quests in peace. guess im a super duper pve guy.
Games on my waiting list:
Guild War 2
Tera
Rift
Forsaken World
1. The new combat system will hopefully address your concerns - right now auto-attacks delay the firing off of skills, which is what makes it feel slow and unresponsive.
2. That's a common complaint about the book quests. Starting with the next Book (Vol 2, Book 9), they are going to allow scaling the book quests just like the Skirmishes; that is, everything will be soloable if you want. Hopefully they will eventually retrofit this system for *all* the group content - especially important for the lvl45 class quests in Carn Dum and Urgarth. The Skirmish system is definitely what I'm most excited about for SoM.
2) I hope this is the case with scaling all the lower level group content to make them soloable...even if they only do that for the book quests, that would be great. When I quit LotRO, 30 out of the 35 quests in my log were group quests, and I just got sick of being LFF all the time while trying to find some soloable quests.
LOL i only lasted 9 days in FE and i would say i only played about a total of 9 hours,maybe.
The thing is ,time is more important than money,if you continue to waste time in something you don't like,you can NEVER recover that time back.I actually already decided to quit FE in the second day,money was of no concern at all to me,i considered it a donation for their future development lol.
Even if i spent 500 bucks on a game,i could quit day 1 if the game was not what i wanted/needed or hoped for.
I think the problems i am reading from Aion gamers is one of the game design more so than the grind we hear them complaining about.I think what is happening is that once they have no easy mode questing to level up anymore,they look to the Abyss and PVP and soon realize how bad PVP is in games,i think they forget as they jump from game to game.PVP is the problem here not GRIND not so much the questing system or the game.
I have said this before ,once you utilize PVP you will ALWAYS have a 50/50 scenario,one half is happy the other half is not.That is not a good % to live by in a game,PVE promotes a 100/0 ratio,or close to it ,where by everyone is happy apart from the usual whining you see in games.So this is why we see instant numbers in PVP type games,they all want in but 50% want out eventually.
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Why would a LotRO player play AION?
*Shakes head*
You see lil kid, back in the day us "old timers" had these MMOs where they had good PvE mixed in with some good PvP (OMG! You got PvE in my PvP!). Games like UO, AC, DAoC ...
The problem now is that most games are either one or the other ... or an attempt at both with one side being extremely weak (PvMP, for example).
Anywho .. I really liked AION, but I won't be subbing. NCSoft has sat back and let their game become infested with Bots. They are EVERYWHERE ... even in the abyss farming shards.
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I like how Aion fanbois are trying to redefine what "Grind" is in MMO..."Grind" is to repeatedly have to kill mobs to level without quests really...now some have added the Quest Grind as in doing multiple quests....but intruth that defies the original idea behind "Grind" unless you are doing the same quest over and over again. Get over it if you have to kill monsters outside of quests to level it is grinding.
Well I play LoTRO and did try Aion in hopes of something new and entertaining. I am a PvP guy first and foremost so Aion made perfect sense for my new game. That was until I tried it and found the PvP to be lacking, the PvE to be beyond grindy and all in all just a game that bored me. Thats not to say it isn't a good game or entertaining to some people, just not to me. Because of this LoTRO is my primary game still at the moment. If I want a PvP fix I just log back into Asheron's Call on Darktide
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The point being Aion is marketed as a PvP game, and LoTRO is very much not a PvP game.
None of the games you mentioned had particularly good PvE content, if you honestly believe they did you should go back and give them a try. Absence makes the heart grow fonder. Aion has better PvE than every one of those games,but you keep looking through those rose colored glass if it makes you feel better.. I certainly wouldn't have played DAoC for its stimulating PvE gameplay.
I've been playing MMOs since they started with the muds on Genie, so I guess that makes me an "old timer". My brain still isn't addled enough to, for instance, look for good PvP content in LoTRO... so I'm not sure why you'd look for stellar PvE content in Aion.
I won't argue Aion's advantages or disadvantages on LOTRO's forum - there's plenty of that going on within Aion's forum. I will say, though, that LOTRO makes a fine fallback point from Aion. Aion's being marketed as a PvP game, and unfortunately that puts it in direct competition with some rather mature, truly PvP-focused MMOs. After spending over a hundred hours in Aion, I realize I'm simply not welcome there. I'm welcome in LOTRO. It's not the PvP mechanism - I'm also welcome in EVE - but that the game simply isn't ready for prime-time.
Besides, with the Mirkwood expansion just around the corner, I'm looking forward once again to LOTRO.
You mean a Cleric ...there is no pallys in AION
why must you QQ so much ...
Another good reason to fall back on LOTRO is to recover from the horrible community in Aion.
The open-world PVP & heavy grind might weed out the 'carebears' and 'wowtards' but at least this game's solid RP foundation seperates the civilized from the feral.
That is what he was refering to, the virtues. And if one could get a group together to "burn through" them then one could just as easily get a group together in Aion and burn through group related content with great xp. There are several areas that are only for grouups and the xp is extremely good.
To that end, "no" you don't have to grind to level up. There are quests out there. It's just that people are not taking the time to find them or are wanting to compeltely be led to them each time they are made available. If an npc doesn't have a quest there is a chance he might have one in a level or two.
My logbook is filled with quests that I never finished.
If the above is your experience so far you are still a pretty low level. Quests begin to dry up at around 37+ and by 43 you have 4-5 left to do. Hopping into a group to burn out an instance, or a goup related quest is anything but "Good" exp.. as a matter of fact I make more in a few hours solo grinding than I would spending double the time in an Elite grind/instance group.
You are not yet at the level where you apparantly can see the grind, the lack of quests, and the carrot begining to shrivel..... you are therefore the exact opposite of whats needed to argue these threads.
To clarify another point : There is a grind in Lotro, there is a grind in EVERY Mmo. The catch with Aion is the grind is horridly boring, where as some games, Lotro being the example here.. disguise the grind well enough most don't notice it for what it is. THAT is the issue : Aion gives little to no incentive to grind, and makes it as boring as possible.
Aion is Grindy IMO they just need to fix there pvp instead of there forts being on stupid timers
why must you QQ so much ...