3.Speaking of content, they didn't have to create it out of thin air, the content was already there, they didnt have to think up anything, star trek already was thought of.
Believe it or not, creating content is much quicker and easier than trying to adhere to content that spans over an absolute vast amount of sources.
nice cant wait the game looks to be a good change from all this fantasy elf/orc crap i been playing for 10 years kinda burned out, hope it turns out to be a fun game
They haven't spent enough time beta testing the game. I expect the same crap that happened with Champions to happen with STO. It's sad, because this game could make a killing if done right. Cryptic is very good at building up hype, but not delivering. So, I will check the game out and i hope that I am going to be surprised, but I'm not going to be get super excited. Nothing that Cryptic has done so far with Champions has made me think STO will be a hit.
I've been railing against STO's direction as much as anyone here, but I'm really starting to believe this isn't Cryptic's fault. This is the fault of Paramount and Atari -- companies that know **** all about MMO development. This insight on my part doesn't persuade me to buy STO, but it does lend pity to Cryptic for having its brand name sullied by its tyrannical overlords. I sense Cryptic is doing the best that they can with the time and money resources given them; unfortunately their best isn't good enough (from what I can tell thus far) for me sad to say.
_____________________________ Currently Playing: LOTRO; DDO Played: AC2, AO, Auto Assault, CoX, DAoC, DDO, Earth&Beyond, EQ1, EQ2, EVE, Fallen Earth, Jumpgate, Roma Victor, Second Life, SWG, V:SoH, WoW, World War II Online.
Games I'm watching: Infinity: The Quest for Earth, Force of Arms.
Originally posted by comerb Or we could show our displeasure and hopefully make them think twice about shipping out an undeveloped product. Your way ends up with flowers and rainbows and happy times here on the forums... and a trash game. The other way is more realistic and possibly gets us a good game. Unfortunately, all is not sunshine, happiness, and love in the gumdrop forums... oh poo. You can keep your flowers and rainbows. This is a consumer driven market, the only way to improve things is to bitch about them. It sucks but that's the reality of it.
Or you could post something CONSTRUCTIVE in the STO forums about where you think Cryptic is making some mistakes and OFFER some ideas on how it could be done better... at least that's what an adult would do.
If people agree with you or have other ideas, then you might create some momentum, and maybe, just maybe, change something for the good of STO.
But bitching, moaning, and proffering suppositions and assumptions doesn't really do anything worthwhile in the end... it all about how you say it, and the best place to say it. I, personally, would be surprised if the STO devs read forums in this corner of the world when they have tens of thousands of posters on the OFFICIAL forums... happy to be proven wrong tho...
Or you could post something CONSTRUCTIVE in the STO forums about where you think Cryptic is making some mistakes and OFFER some ideas on how it could be done better... at least that's what an adult would do. If people agree with you or have other ideas, then you might create some momentum, and maybe, just maybe, change something for the good of STO. But bitching, moaning, and proffering suppositions and assumptions doesn't really do anything worthwhile in the end... it all about how you say it, and the best place to say it. I, personally, would be surprised if the STO devs read forums in this corner of the world when they have tens of thousands of posters on the OFFICIAL forums... happy to be proven wrong tho...
Of course they read these forums. Short of word of mouth this site is the most prevalent form of advertisement the MMO community has.
The feedback in this thread is the most constructive feed-back any game company can get. Don't release the game until its ready. Just because its not packaged in ribbons and bows doesn't automatically delegate it to mindless complaints.
Yeah i agree 100% tired of games relseased not finished. Few years ago you could go to best buy look at pc games pick one that looked good go home play have fun or game sucked but at lest it was finshed and worked. Now your gambling 60$ on a pc game that you havent spent alot of time reading about or your standing looking at the game box IS the game even finshed!
Sto might come out working right but im going going to bet there is going to be very little content and fetures, so far i herd alot of it is just smashing 2 buttons, at lest wow i can roll my face across the keybored!
Come 1 Dec 2009, Atari and Cryptic may have no other legal choice but to ship it out the door to you on 2 Feb 2010. Because of the new FTC rules that go into effect on that date.
New FTC rules?
Any more info on this?
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Come 1 Dec 2009, Atari and Cryptic may have no other legal choice but to ship it out the door to you on 2 Feb 2010. Because of the new FTC rules that go into effect on that date.
New FTC rules?
Any more info on this?
Kindly explain the connection, and why STO must ship... I fail to see it.
Cool story bro, too bad it's going to fail regardless of when it ships because Cryptic seems to think putting out as many MMOs as possible in a short amount of time will guarantee a large subscriber base.
BTW: This game is going to get ROCKED by SW:TOR when it comes out.
Come 1 Dec 2009, Atari and Cryptic may have no other legal choice but to ship it out the door to you on 2 Feb 2010. Because of the new FTC rules that go into effect on that date.
New FTC rules?
Any more info on this?
http://houchinlaw.com/?p=468 Maybe that’s a good thing for many consumers, because some marketers have been slimy with their marketing efforts. However, it’s safe to say that most marketers are honest and sincerely offer products and services designed to help their clients feel better or make money. Both will definitely be affected by the new Guidelines released by the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) which take effect December 1st.
http://askjamesholmes.com/marketing/new-ftc-rules-for-internet-marketers-and-what-you-must-know The new FTC rules go into affect on December 1, 2009 and they will directly impact the design of your webpages, blog post, and sales pages. It really doesn’t matter if you are product creator and owner or an affiliate marketer, if you use endorsements or testimonials you must understand these changes and know how to market within the guidelines.
I don't hold too much hope for this game releasing so soon. 4 months for testing sounds like another 6 months of patches and downtime for subscribers.
I was really excited about this title but the more time passes so does the excitement unfortunately. I'll be waiting for a bit after release to buy it. I'm a trek fanboy but not a big enough of one to want to pay beta test this one.
Feb..does seem a bit quick, I kinda figured it for Christmas sales 2010, Depending on how large the staff allot can get done by the release date, I just hope the bean counters are not the ones rushing them to release, the suits have ruined allot of games by pushing them out the door for box sales and not looking at the long term subscriptions that an mmo depends on for longevity..
Cool story bro, too bad it's going to fail regardless of when it ships because Cryptic seems to think putting out as many MMOs as possible in a short amount of time will guarantee a large subscriber base. BTW: This game is going to get ROCKED by SW:TOR when it comes out.
I think lots of mmo's mostly the old ones that are getting played out, will feel the power of the force, Bioware has big shoes to fill on this one, I hope it's good, but they could fall on their face also.. I see STO doing ok, it will have a nice niche market.. I think, only time will tell..
I plan to give this game a try till SWTOR comes out. But I do have to agree that it is too soon to release this game. Closed beta for 4 months. Makes you wonder about open beta.....2 weeks? But we all need to wait and see how the game plays
I will certainly give the game a shot when it comes out because I am a mega-Trekkie. However, it seems obvious to me at this point that Cryptic is not taking the correct approach here. If they release the game in Feb., I guarantee it will be unfinished. No MMORPG can possibly be released in a polished state with so little time in its development,
And the argument someone raised about them releasing early because they didn't have to work on the engine design is rubbish. SWTOR is being developed on an engine that was already fully designed and ready before they began working on a single piece of content. They have since been painstakingly implementing the content since 2006. That means it will have at least FOUR YEARS of development on an already finished game engine.
On the other hand, Cryptic is pushing out STO after only picking up the IP last year. There is no possible way that this game will have anywhere even remotely close to the content or polish that you will find in SWTOR. And considering the way Champions was rushed out without Cryptic even having decided exactly what they wanted to do with the gameplay mechanics, I think that is very scary.
I have been watching this game for awhile. I am also a bit concerned about the date. Even if i believed that the back end of the game was fine; I still wonder if you can have enough content added in that time. Also, I see no room to address probs/issues brought up in closed and open beta. How can they possibly address what they learn by Feb when closed beta just started.
"Because we all know the miracle patch fairy shows up the night before release and sprinkles magic dust on the server to make it allllll better." parrotpholk
I plan to give this game a try till SWTOR comes out. But I do have to agree that it is too soon to release this game. Closed beta for 4 months. Makes you wonder about open beta.....2 weeks? But we all need to wait and see how the game plays
If Mythic behaves the same way they did with Champions Online, they will launch the game and patch it as if it was beta. They seem to have no problem with this approach so I would expect more of the same.
Come 1 Dec 2009, Atari and Cryptic may have no other legal choice but to ship it out the door to you on 2 Feb 2010. Because of the new FTC rules that go into effect on that date.
New FTC rules?
Any more info on this?
http://houchinlaw.com/?p=468 Maybe that’s a good thing for many consumers, because some marketers have been slimy with their marketing efforts. However, it’s safe to say that most marketers are honest and sincerely offer products and services designed to help their clients feel better or make money. Both will definitely be affected by the new Guidelines released by the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) which take effect December 1st.
http://askjamesholmes.com/marketing/new-ftc-rules-for-internet-marketers-and-what-you-must-know The new FTC rules go into affect on December 1, 2009 and they will directly impact the design of your webpages, blog post, and sales pages. It really doesn’t matter if you are product creator and owner or an affiliate marketer, if you use endorsements or testimonials you must understand these changes and know how to market within the guidelines.
I will certainly give the game a shot when it comes out because I am a mega-Trekkie. However, it seems obvious to me at this point that Cryptic is not taking the correct approach here. If they release the game in Feb., I guarantee it will be unfinished. No MMORPG can possibly be released in a polished state with so little time in its development, And the argument someone raised about them releasing early because they didn't have to work on the engine design is rubbish. SWTOR is being developed on an engine that was already fully designed and ready before they began working on a single piece of content. They have since been painstakingly implementing the content since 2006. That means it will have at least FOUR YEARS of development on an already finished game engine. On the other hand, Cryptic is pushing out STO after only picking up the IP last year. There is no possible way that this game will have anywhere even remotely close to the content or polish that you will find in SWTOR. And considering the way Champions was rushed out without Cryptic even having decided exactly what they wanted to do with the gameplay mechanics, I think that is very scary.
I gotta agree here. I'm looking forward to STO but with CO as a new Cryptic standard I'm worried what they'll do with this. Yeah obviously companies need the money but if they push another unfinished MMO out the door Cryptic will quickly become a joke. Take the time, do it right, and if they have absolutely great, but if they haven't this'll cost them more than waiting a few more months for a decent launch. Here's hoping for the best.
Played in some form: UO til tram, AC, EQ, AO, WW2O, PS, SB, CoH, AC2, Hor, LoTRO, DDO, AoC, Aion, CO, STO Playing: WoW (for gf), WAR Waiting For: SWTOR, FFXVI Hoping For: DCUO, Secret World, Earthrise -S- (UO Sonoma)
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Believe it or not, creating content is much quicker and easier than trying to adhere to content that spans over an absolute vast amount of sources.
nice cant wait the game looks to be a good change from all this fantasy elf/orc crap i been playing for 10 years kinda burned out, hope it turns out to be a fun game
They haven't spent enough time beta testing the game. I expect the same crap that happened with Champions to happen with STO. It's sad, because this game could make a killing if done right. Cryptic is very good at building up hype, but not delivering. So, I will check the game out and i hope that I am going to be surprised, but I'm not going to be get super excited. Nothing that Cryptic has done so far with Champions has made me think STO will be a hit.
I've been railing against STO's direction as much as anyone here, but I'm really starting to believe this isn't Cryptic's fault. This is the fault of Paramount and Atari -- companies that know **** all about MMO development. This insight on my part doesn't persuade me to buy STO, but it does lend pity to Cryptic for having its brand name sullied by its tyrannical overlords. I sense Cryptic is doing the best that they can with the time and money resources given them; unfortunately their best isn't good enough (from what I can tell thus far) for me sad to say.
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Currently Playing: LOTRO; DDO
Played: AC2, AO, Auto Assault, CoX, DAoC, DDO, Earth&Beyond, EQ1, EQ2, EVE, Fallen Earth, Jumpgate, Roma Victor, Second Life, SWG, V:SoH, WoW, World War II Online.
Games I'm watching: Infinity: The Quest for Earth, Force of Arms.
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Or you could post something CONSTRUCTIVE in the STO forums about where you think Cryptic is making some mistakes and OFFER some ideas on how it could be done better... at least that's what an adult would do.
If people agree with you or have other ideas, then you might create some momentum, and maybe, just maybe, change something for the good of STO.
But bitching, moaning, and proffering suppositions and assumptions doesn't really do anything worthwhile in the end... it all about how you say it, and the best place to say it. I, personally, would be surprised if the STO devs read forums in this corner of the world when they have tens of thousands of posters on the OFFICIAL forums... happy to be proven wrong tho...
Of course they read these forums. Short of word of mouth this site is the most prevalent form of advertisement the MMO community has.
The feedback in this thread is the most constructive feed-back any game company can get. Don't release the game until its ready. Just because its not packaged in ribbons and bows doesn't automatically delegate it to mindless complaints.
Yeah i agree 100% tired of games relseased not finished. Few years ago you could go to best buy look at pc games pick one that looked good go home play have fun or game sucked but at lest it was finshed and worked. Now your gambling 60$ on a pc game that you havent spent alot of time reading about or your standing looking at the game box IS the game even finshed!
Sto might come out working right but im going going to bet there is going to be very little content and fetures, so far i herd alot of it is just smashing 2 buttons, at lest wow i can roll my face across the keybored!
New FTC rules?
Any more info on this?
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
New FTC rules?
Any more info on this?
Kindly explain the connection, and why STO must ship... I fail to see it.
Cool story bro, too bad it's going to fail regardless of when it ships because Cryptic seems to think putting out as many MMOs as possible in a short amount of time will guarantee a large subscriber base.
BTW: This game is going to get ROCKED by SW:TOR when it comes out.
haha I laugh at all of you who said the game will come out in 2011. As expected you armchair game developers, you know nothing.
New FTC rules?
Any more info on this?
http://houchinlaw.com/?p=468 Maybe that’s a good thing for many consumers, because some marketers have been slimy with their marketing efforts. However, it’s safe to say that most marketers are honest and sincerely offer products and services designed to help their clients feel better or make money. Both will definitely be affected by the new Guidelines released by the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) which take effect December 1st.
http://askjamesholmes.com/marketing/new-ftc-rules-for-internet-marketers-and-what-you-must-know The new FTC rules go into affect on December 1, 2009 and they will directly impact the design of your webpages, blog post, and sales pages. It really doesn’t matter if you are product creator and owner or an affiliate marketer, if you use endorsements or testimonials you must understand these changes and know how to market within the guidelines.
for more visit: http://www.ftc.gov/
I don't hold too much hope for this game releasing so soon. 4 months for testing sounds like another 6 months of patches and downtime for subscribers.
I was really excited about this title but the more time passes so does the excitement unfortunately. I'll be waiting for a bit after release to buy it. I'm a trek fanboy but not a big enough of one to want to pay beta test this one.
Feb..does seem a bit quick, I kinda figured it for Christmas sales 2010, Depending on how large the staff allot can get done by the release date, I just hope the bean counters are not the ones rushing them to release, the suits have ruined allot of games by pushing them out the door for box sales and not looking at the long term subscriptions that an mmo depends on for longevity..
I think lots of mmo's mostly the old ones that are getting played out, will feel the power of the force, Bioware has big shoes to fill on this one, I hope it's good, but they could fall on their face also.. I see STO doing ok, it will have a nice niche market.. I think, only time will tell..
I plan to give this game a try till SWTOR comes out. But I do have to agree that it is too soon to release this game. Closed beta for 4 months. Makes you wonder about open beta.....2 weeks? But we all need to wait and see how the game plays
I will certainly give the game a shot when it comes out because I am a mega-Trekkie. However, it seems obvious to me at this point that Cryptic is not taking the correct approach here. If they release the game in Feb., I guarantee it will be unfinished. No MMORPG can possibly be released in a polished state with so little time in its development,
And the argument someone raised about them releasing early because they didn't have to work on the engine design is rubbish. SWTOR is being developed on an engine that was already fully designed and ready before they began working on a single piece of content. They have since been painstakingly implementing the content since 2006. That means it will have at least FOUR YEARS of development on an already finished game engine.
On the other hand, Cryptic is pushing out STO after only picking up the IP last year. There is no possible way that this game will have anywhere even remotely close to the content or polish that you will find in SWTOR. And considering the way Champions was rushed out without Cryptic even having decided exactly what they wanted to do with the gameplay mechanics, I think that is very scary.
I have been watching this game for awhile. I am also a bit concerned about the date. Even if i believed that the back end of the game was fine; I still wonder if you can have enough content added in that time. Also, I see no room to address probs/issues brought up in closed and open beta. How can they possibly address what they learn by Feb when closed beta just started.
"Because we all know the miracle patch fairy shows up the night before release and sprinkles magic dust on the server to make it allllll better." parrotpholk
If Mythic behaves the same way they did with Champions Online, they will launch the game and patch it as if it was beta. They seem to have no problem with this approach so I would expect more of the same.
New FTC rules?
Any more info on this?
http://houchinlaw.com/?p=468 Maybe that’s a good thing for many consumers, because some marketers have been slimy with their marketing efforts. However, it’s safe to say that most marketers are honest and sincerely offer products and services designed to help their clients feel better or make money. Both will definitely be affected by the new Guidelines released by the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) which take effect December 1st.
http://askjamesholmes.com/marketing/new-ftc-rules-for-internet-marketers-and-what-you-must-know The new FTC rules go into affect on December 1, 2009 and they will directly impact the design of your webpages, blog post, and sales pages. It really doesn’t matter if you are product creator and owner or an affiliate marketer, if you use endorsements or testimonials you must understand these changes and know how to market within the guidelines.
for more visit: http://www.ftc.gov/
Well that is good to see! Thanks for the links!!!
I gotta agree here. I'm looking forward to STO but with CO as a new Cryptic standard I'm worried what they'll do with this. Yeah obviously companies need the money but if they push another unfinished MMO out the door Cryptic will quickly become a joke. Take the time, do it right, and if they have absolutely great, but if they haven't this'll cost them more than waiting a few more months for a decent launch. Here's hoping for the best.
Played in some form:
UO til tram, AC, EQ, AO, WW2O, PS, SB, CoH, AC2, Hor, LoTRO, DDO, AoC, Aion, CO, STO
Playing: WoW (for gf), WAR
Waiting For: SWTOR, FFXVI
Hoping For: DCUO, Secret World, Earthrise
-S- (UO Sonoma)