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Dragon Age, my thoughts, your thoughts. possibly spoilers?

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  • KorhindiKorhindi Member CommonPosts: 395
    Originally posted by razerblade29

    Originally posted by Korhindi

    Originally posted by nate1980

    Originally posted by Elikal


    Personally I greatly dislike DA, because of the dark story, the companions I dislike all of them and many other parts.
    If I put that aside, DA is a decent game, but not the revolution some make of it. All important decision are made for you, too often I had not the choices or answers I would chose, and then I have consequences based in actions I didnt stand behind. The game is VERY linear and very much like one big tunnel, and I like more the free roaming of Fallout or Oblivion.
    I hope MMOs will adapt the good storytelling however. Tho for a game the amount of dialoge and cutscenes is overdone IMO. A decent single player game, but unplayable for me, because I just can't indentify with the world, setting, story or ANY of the characters.



     

    Why couldn't you identify with your own character, considering you could make your own choices? You can be good, you can be evil, and you can even be an opportunist. People in the game act differently based on the choices you make.



     

    I think I have an idea of what he is talking about.

    There are many times where the answer I would choose is simply not there.

    Sure, you get to be good, bad, and opportunistic, but you have to be DAO's version of those qualities.  To be sure, this is way ahead of most games, but it is not the freedom as promised by the earlier EA hype machine either.

    The blah models does not help either.

    Though, for me, such issues have not spoiled the game for me, and I am having fun with it.



     

    Of course your not going to find your exact answer in the dialog options but they are the basic ideas of good,evil,opputinistic, and then the I dont care choices.

    For the kind of options your hoping for your going to have to wait about 10 years, when we are all wearing suits with sensors on it that translates our every movement plus the speed of those movements into ingame movements, and a mic that translates every word into ingame dialogue, with an appropriate response from the npcs, or even players.



     

    Yeah, I get what you are saying and, as I said, I am enjoying the game.

    But I can see how one "cannot relate" if the game takes a path in the conversations that are not stimulating to you.

    As others have pointed out, it is like an interactive movie, and just like a movie, if you aren't into the plot, writing or the characters you are not going to like it.

    Interestingly, Wizardry 8 had a very unique way of handling the issue.  It was still quite linear, but you could actually type in words into a chat box and the PC's would repond to those word in many different, interesting ways.  Suprisingly, the game's vocabulary was quite in depth.

    A modified version of Wizardry 8's system, paired up with DAO's methods might yield some intriguing possibilities without the need for massive technology or AI upgrades.

  • RavanosRavanos Member Posts: 897

    I just beat the game, I can't see how people have played it for 80+ hours I beat it in under 30 and i was ready to gouge my eyes out. the only good thing about it was the background graphics.

    the character graphics were meh, the armor was silly looking (except maybe the templars armor) the female cloth is just ridiculous. the characters were stereotypical for a RPG ...

    Emo Witch

    Snarky righteous young knight

    Wise old woman

    cutesy Bard

    barely speaking Oaf from another land (my character: how about a smile? the oaf: "I am smiling " OH STFU)

    Drunken Dwarf

    Metrosexual Sarcastic Assassin

    the story was Generic, hell they should have named it Generic Age Origins. theres no replay value since its the same story beyond the first hour of the game, blah blah join grey wardens, blah blah ostagar ... blah blah gather forces to stop archdemon. and really your choices don't matter much except for some words at the end of the game. yep thats the only thing that changes is if you choose one way over the other you get a different paragraph ...woooo. you're decisions make no impact at all.

     

    I do not see how people are saying this is one of the greatest RPGs in the last 10 years.

     

     

     



     

  • KorhindiKorhindi Member CommonPosts: 395
    Originally posted by razerblade29


    Just wondering for all the people who are having troubles with the micro, what difficulty are u playing on and are you on a PC or XBOX or PS3(is there even a version)



     

    PC.

    And I admit it:  I am playing on Easy Mode.

    I like the game way more on that mode.

    Maybe once I beat it, I may try higher difficulties, but all the pausing, tactics meny configuring and pausing was killing it for me.

    Also, for those who don't know, you can change the difficulty at anytime under the options menu (on the PC at least).

  • ABRaquelABRaquel Member UncommonPosts: 541
    Originally posted by Korhindi

    Originally posted by Reklaw


    My thoughts, why post it in the MMORPG section, even though MMORPG.com has ads, we as a community can atleast put topics like this in the off topic, or in the none-mmorpg section.



     

    That, or maybe MMORPG.COM could create a section dedicated to genre related games that are not MMO's.

    Either way, it would probably prevent some confusion.

     

    There's a sub-Forum called General Gaming where people can create this kind of threads.

  • KorhindiKorhindi Member CommonPosts: 395
    Originally posted by Ravanos


    I just beat the game, I can't see how people have played it for 80+ hours I beat it in under 30 and i was ready to tear my eyes out. the only good thing about it was the background graphics.
    the character graphics were meh, the armor was silly looking (except maybe the templars armor) the female cloth is just ridiculous. the characters were stereotypical for a RPG ...
    Emo Witch

    Snarky righteous young knight

    Wise old woman

    cutesy Bard

    non-speaking Oaf from another land

    Drunken Dwarf

    Metrosexual Sarcastic Assassin
    the story was Generic, hell they should have named it Generic Age Origins. theres no replay value since its the same story beyond the first hour of the game, blah blah join grey wardens, blah blah ostagar ... blah blah gather forces to stop archdemon. and really your choices don't matter much except for some words at the end of the game. yep thats the only thing that changes is if you choose one way over the other you get a different paragraph ...woooo. you're decisions make no impact at all.
     
    I do not see how people are saying this is one of the greatest RPGs in the last 10 years.

     



     

    To each his own, for I am enjoying the game.

    However, I can see your point.  DAO is quite cliche, and the character models are lackluster.  It just doesn't bother me as it does you.

    Probably the all time best game for different endings was Chrono Trigger, and the best game with party romance and engagements was Star Ocean, Second Story.

    Sadly, it has been more than 10 years since those released, and for the PC, fantasy RPGs of any quality has been far and few in between.

  • ReklawReklaw Member UncommonPosts: 6,495
    Originally posted by Korhindi

    Originally posted by Reklaw


    My thoughts, why post it in the MMORPG section, even though MMORPG.com has ads, we as a community can atleast put topics like this in the off topic, or in the none-mmorpg section.



     

    That, or maybe MMORPG.COM could create a section dedicated to genre related games that are not MMO's.

    Either way, it would probably prevent some confusion.



     

    And I thought MMORPG players or gamers in general would have no problem discovering things

    General Gaming

    A place to discuss non-MMORPG gaming.

  • KorhindiKorhindi Member CommonPosts: 395
    Originally posted by Reklaw

    Originally posted by Korhindi

    Originally posted by Reklaw


    My thoughts, why post it in the MMORPG section, even though MMORPG.com has ads, we as a community can atleast put topics like this in the off topic, or in the none-mmorpg section.



     

    That, or maybe MMORPG.COM could create a section dedicated to genre related games that are not MMO's.

    Either way, it would probably prevent some confusion.



     

    And I thought MMORPG players or gamers in general would have no problem discovering things

    General Gaming

    A place to discuss non-MMORPG gaming.



     

    Touche' 

  • LocklainLocklain Member Posts: 2,154
    Originally posted by Ravanos 
    Emo Witch

    Snarky righteous young knight

    Wise old woman

    cutesy Bard

    barely speaking Oaf from another land (my character: how about a smile? the oaf: "I am smiling " OH STFU)

    Drunken Dwarf

    Metrosexual Sarcastic Assassin

    What is funny about this is you are so right.  Although I loved the banter that went back and forth between Morrigan and Alistair.  What made it even funnier was the optional choice at the end.

     

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  • RavanosRavanos Member Posts: 897
    Originally posted by Korhindi

    Originally posted by Ravanos


    I just beat the game, I can't see how people have played it for 80+ hours I beat it in under 30 and i was ready to tear my eyes out. the only good thing about it was the background graphics.
    the character graphics were meh, the armor was silly looking (except maybe the templars armor) the female cloth is just ridiculous. the characters were stereotypical for a RPG ...
    Emo Witch

    Snarky righteous young knight

    Wise old woman

    cutesy Bard

    non-speaking Oaf from another land

    Drunken Dwarf

    Metrosexual Sarcastic Assassin
    the story was Generic, hell they should have named it Generic Age Origins. theres no replay value since its the same story beyond the first hour of the game, blah blah join grey wardens, blah blah ostagar ... blah blah gather forces to stop archdemon. and really your choices don't matter much except for some words at the end of the game. yep thats the only thing that changes is if you choose one way over the other you get a different paragraph ...woooo. you're decisions make no impact at all.
     
    I do not see how people are saying this is one of the greatest RPGs in the last 10 years.

     



     

    To each his own, for I am enjoying the game.

    However, I can see your point.  DAO is quite cliche, and the character models are lackluster.  It just doesn't bother me as it does you.

    Probably the all time best game for different endings was Chrono Trigger, and the best game with party romance and engagements was Star Ocean, Second Story.

    Sadly, it has been more than 10 years since those released, and for the PC, fantasy RPGs of any quality has been far and few in between.

     

    I found fallout 3 and Oblivion much better in terms of gameplay and replay value than this game. there is no way DA:O should be ranked ahead of them in anyones mind.

  • djazzydjazzy Member Posts: 3,578
    Originally posted by Ravanos

    Originally posted by Korhindi

    Originally posted by Ravanos


    I just beat the game, I can't see how people have played it for 80+ hours I beat it in under 30 and i was ready to tear my eyes out. the only good thing about it was the background graphics.
    the character graphics were meh, the armor was silly looking (except maybe the templars armor) the female cloth is just ridiculous. the characters were stereotypical for a RPG ...
    Emo Witch

    Snarky righteous young knight

    Wise old woman

    cutesy Bard

    non-speaking Oaf from another land

    Drunken Dwarf

    Metrosexual Sarcastic Assassin
    the story was Generic, hell they should have named it Generic Age Origins. theres no replay value since its the same story beyond the first hour of the game, blah blah join grey wardens, blah blah ostagar ... blah blah gather forces to stop archdemon. and really your choices don't matter much except for some words at the end of the game. yep thats the only thing that changes is if you choose one way over the other you get a different paragraph ...woooo. you're decisions make no impact at all.
     
    I do not see how people are saying this is one of the greatest RPGs in the last 10 years.

     



     

    To each his own, for I am enjoying the game.

    However, I can see your point.  DAO is quite cliche, and the character models are lackluster.  It just doesn't bother me as it does you.

    Probably the all time best game for different endings was Chrono Trigger, and the best game with party romance and engagements was Star Ocean, Second Story.

    Sadly, it has been more than 10 years since those released, and for the PC, fantasy RPGs of any quality has been far and few in between.

     

    I found fallout 3 and Oblivion much better in terms of gameplay and replay value than this game. there is no way DA:O should be ranked ahead of them in anyones mind.

    I much prefer Dragon Age over those two games. Each person has their own opinion on what is better, who are you to tell me what I should find better?

  • KorhindiKorhindi Member CommonPosts: 395
    Originally posted by Ravanos

    Originally posted by Korhindi

    Originally posted by Ravanos


    I just beat the game, I can't see how people have played it for 80+ hours I beat it in under 30 and i was ready to tear my eyes out. the only good thing about it was the background graphics.
    the character graphics were meh, the armor was silly looking (except maybe the templars armor) the female cloth is just ridiculous. the characters were stereotypical for a RPG ...
    Emo Witch

    Snarky righteous young knight

    Wise old woman

    cutesy Bard

    non-speaking Oaf from another land

    Drunken Dwarf

    Metrosexual Sarcastic Assassin
    the story was Generic, hell they should have named it Generic Age Origins. theres no replay value since its the same story beyond the first hour of the game, blah blah join grey wardens, blah blah ostagar ... blah blah gather forces to stop archdemon. and really your choices don't matter much except for some words at the end of the game. yep thats the only thing that changes is if you choose one way over the other you get a different paragraph ...woooo. you're decisions make no impact at all.
     
    I do not see how people are saying this is one of the greatest RPGs in the last 10 years.

     



     

    To each his own, for I am enjoying the game.

    However, I can see your point.  DAO is quite cliche, and the character models are lackluster.  It just doesn't bother me as it does you.

    Probably the all time best game for different endings was Chrono Trigger, and the best game with party romance and engagements was Star Ocean, Second Story.

    Sadly, it has been more than 10 years since those released, and for the PC, fantasy RPGs of any quality has been far and few in between.

     

    I found fallout 3 and Oblivion much better in terms of gameplay and replay value than this game. there is no way DA:O should be ranked ahead of them in anyones mind.



     

    Both are outstanding games, though Fallout is not a fantasy genre game in the traditional sense.

    Besides, I am not ranking DAO ahead, just simply saying that I like the game (DAO), and it's story and setting is solid.

    You liked Oblivion, but I know of many who find that game very boring (I loved it btw).

    To each his own.

  • allstar101allstar101 Member Posts: 31

    never played dragon age , perhaps will in the near future

    however i enjoyed both oblivion and fallout, although i never actually finished oblivion it was all very complicated in terms of where to go and how to follow the overall storyline and found fallout more enjoyable. What makes dragon age anything different from games such as devil may cry or gears of war...

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  • greed0104greed0104 Member Posts: 2,134
    Originally posted by Ravanos

    Originally posted by Korhindi

    Originally posted by Ravanos


    I just beat the game, I can't see how people have played it for 80+ hours I beat it in under 30 and i was ready to tear my eyes out. the only good thing about it was the background graphics.
    the character graphics were meh, the armor was silly looking (except maybe the templars armor) the female cloth is just ridiculous. the characters were stereotypical for a RPG ...
    Emo Witch

    Snarky righteous young knight

    Wise old woman

    cutesy Bard

    non-speaking Oaf from another land

    Drunken Dwarf

    Metrosexual Sarcastic Assassin
    the story was Generic, hell they should have named it Generic Age Origins. theres no replay value since its the same story beyond the first hour of the game, blah blah join grey wardens, blah blah ostagar ... blah blah gather forces to stop archdemon. and really your choices don't matter much except for some words at the end of the game. yep thats the only thing that changes is if you choose one way over the other you get a different paragraph ...woooo. you're decisions make no impact at all.
     
    I do not see how people are saying this is one of the greatest RPGs in the last 10 years.

     



     

    To each his own, for I am enjoying the game.

    However, I can see your point.  DAO is quite cliche, and the character models are lackluster.  It just doesn't bother me as it does you.

    Probably the all time best game for different endings was Chrono Trigger, and the best game with party romance and engagements was Star Ocean, Second Story.

    Sadly, it has been more than 10 years since those released, and for the PC, fantasy RPGs of any quality has been far and few in between.

     

    I found fallout 3 and Oblivion much better in terms of gameplay and replay value than this game. there is no way DA:O should be ranked ahead of them in anyones mind.

    I found Fallout 3 to be the best free roam rpg while I have found DA:O to be a better story RPG. I have to separate them into categories, to much epic in all three of those titles to even stress comparing.

  • RavanosRavanos Member Posts: 897
    Originally posted by allstar101


    never played dragon age , perhaps will in the near future

    however i enjoyed both oblivion and fallout, although i never actually finished oblivion it was all very complicated in terms of where to go and how to follow the overall storyline and found fallout more enjoyable. What makes dragon age anything different from games such as devil may cry or gears of war...

     

    for one dont expect action packed combat. this game is more about auto attacking and micromanagement than hacking and slashing or guns a blazing.

  • karat76karat76 Member UncommonPosts: 1,000

    I like the free roaming of Oblivion and fallout 3 but the for a story driven rpg Dragon Age was great. Right up there with the Baldur's Gates, NWN, Kotor and ME but far above NWN2.

  • greed0104greed0104 Member Posts: 2,134
    Originally posted by Ravanos

    Originally posted by allstar101


    never played dragon age , perhaps will in the near future

    however i enjoyed both oblivion and fallout, although i never actually finished oblivion it was all very complicated in terms of where to go and how to follow the overall storyline and found fallout more enjoyable. What makes dragon age anything different from games such as devil may cry or gears of war...

     

    for one dont expect action packed combat. this game is more about auto attacking and micromanagement than hacking and slashing or guns a blazing.

    I agree, it was not on the edge of your seat game play. DA:O has more of a strategic combat system.

  • ValentinaValentina Member RarePosts: 2,109

    I love the game, but it's depressing in the end especially for females. I really think they could of done a better job giving us some better options and alternatives to the situation.

  • RobsolfRobsolf Member RarePosts: 4,607
    Originally posted by Dewm



                Very VERY linier (sp?). And my main gripe with it, is that its not well reflected on the map where you can and can't go. (fable was linier, but it was easy to tell where you could and couldn't go. so you didn't waist alot of time running into dead ends)


     
    Anyways like I said, not trolling but things I kinda found annoying with the game. I'm going to give it another go tonight. And hopfully the game will change into more of a RPG then a standered LOTR  movie game.
    SPOILER!!
    for those of you who wanted to know how far i had gotten to the game. I just lit the becon, the king just died. and I traveled to the first town to "get supplies" and what not. Does the game change much from there?

     

    I understand why you think it's linear after having played up to the beacon.  That's required to be linear, as the events that occur up to that point are the catalyst for the whole plot.

    Once you get a little past that, however, there are several objectives to be met in various places on the map.  Those objectives can be met in whatever order you see fit.  Plus there are other bits to be done in other areas. 

    Having played all the previous games, and oblivion, and most recently Fallout 3, IMO this game is in their caliber.  But I think what it lacks is the sense of a huge world.  Since it's not a wide open and free world like Oblivion and F3, it suffers a bit in the immersion dept.  But that's not everything; for one, your companions in F3 are nowhere near as fleshed out as those in this game.

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,976
    Originally posted by Ravanos

    Originally posted by allstar101


    never played dragon age , perhaps will in the near future

    however i enjoyed both oblivion and fallout, although i never actually finished oblivion it was all very complicated in terms of where to go and how to follow the overall storyline and found fallout more enjoyable. What makes dragon age anything different from games such as devil may cry or gears of war...

     

    for one dont expect action packed combat. this game is more about auto attacking and micromanagement than hacking and slashing or guns a blazing.



     

    That's true, but it plays out like other Bioware rpg's. Though if you want more action, play on easy but with few pauses. That will give you your action.

    The only thing I really don't like is that All bioware games have their wonky moments when you tell a character to attack something and instead they attack the thing that just attacked them, or you want to set up a barrier at a choke point and the game allows the enemy to "slide" around your characters so that all the attackers can have a side, or sometimes odd pathing.

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  • greed0104greed0104 Member Posts: 2,134
    Originally posted by Valentina


    I love the game, but it's depressing in the end especially for females. I really think they could of done a better job giving us some better options and alternatives to the situation.

     

    My girlfriend was complaining about this, something about Alistair. 

  • RavanosRavanos Member Posts: 897
    Originally posted by Valentina


    I love the game, but it's depressing in the end especially for females. I really think they could of done a better job giving us some better options and alternatives to the situation.

     

    and clothing not that i played a female character but i had Morrigan and Wynne in my part the entire game and at the endgame the female clothing is just ridiculous ... they look like court jesters.

  • LowdosLowdos Member Posts: 644

    I'm playing on PC normal mode, and the difficulty level has definately ramped up over the past couple of playthroughs.

    The backstreet ambushes of Denerim City kicked my butt a few times, but managed to plough through them eventually. It literally felt like one small mistake (party formation) and it would be game over at that point.

    Although I'm only a little ways through the campain (defended Redcliffe, Warden's Keep) Morrigan has been the pivotal character in my party so far (playing as a Rogue/Duelist).

    And also to add, I can't really find any major fault with the game. It's actually everything I hoped it would be, and then some.

    Edit - and to think of the longevity the toolset will bring to the game,  it appears almost staggering.

  • Mariner-80Mariner-80 Member Posts: 347

    The game sounds interesting to me, but all this talk of complex tactics and micromanagement, in addition to dying a lot, is very off-putting, I must say.

    Having to constantly pause, reposition party members, assign their spells and actions and whatnot during combat sounds very not fun to me.

    In Guild Wars, you can manage a party of 8, including 3 heroes, 4 henchies, and your own character -- and it is not too terribly complicated. How does the AI party in DAO stack up next to the Heroes/henches in GW?

    I guess I want to play a good story RPG but not have to lurch "stop-start-stop-start" through every encounter. :(

    I am also put off by the blood spatters all over everyone that I see in the cut scene clips I've come across. It just seems distracting and over the top to me. Can it be turned off?

  • KorhindiKorhindi Member CommonPosts: 395
    Originally posted by tmr819


    The game sounds interesting to me, but all this talk of complex tactics and micromanagement, in addition to dying a lot, is very off-putting, I must say.
    Having to constantly pause, reposition party members, assign their spells and actions and whatnot during combat sounds very not fun to me.
    In Guild Wars, you can manage a party of 8, including 3 heroes, 4 henchies, and your own character -- and it is not too terribly complicated. How does the AI party in DAO stack up next to the Heroes/henches in GW?
    I guess I want to play a good story RPG but not have to lurch "stop-start-stop-start" through every encounter. :(
    I am also put off by the blood spatters all over everyone that I see in the cut scene clips I've come across. It just seems distracting and over the top to me. Can it be turned off?



     

    If you play the game on Easy Mode, this is not an issue.

    Easy Mode does not result in less gear, less XP or less story... it just has lower tactical value... aka  less micro-management, friendly fire, and pausing.

    That's why I play on Easy mode and it has been fun.

    Yes, the blood spatters can be turned off too.

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,976
    Originally posted by Korhindi

    Originally posted by tmr819


    The game sounds interesting to me, but all this talk of complex tactics and micromanagement, in addition to dying a lot, is very off-putting, I must say.
    Having to constantly pause, reposition party members, assign their spells and actions and whatnot during combat sounds very not fun to me.
    In Guild Wars, you can manage a party of 8, including 3 heroes, 4 henchies, and your own character -- and it is not too terribly complicated. How does the AI party in DAO stack up next to the Heroes/henches in GW?
    I guess I want to play a good story RPG but not have to lurch "stop-start-stop-start" through every encounter. :(
    I am also put off by the blood spatters all over everyone that I see in the cut scene clips I've come across. It just seems distracting and over the top to me. Can it be turned off?



     

    If you play the game on Easy Mode, this is not an issue.

    Easy Mode does not result in less gear, less XP or less story... it just has lower tactical value... aka  less micro-management, friendly fire, and pausing.

    That's why I play on Easy mode and it has been fun.

    Yes, the blood spatters can be turned off too.



     

    I do as well. When I feel the game is getting a bit too easy I put it to normal. but with easy you can have a fluid battle with little micromangement and minimal pauses if one likes.

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