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Modifying a software client that you don't "technically" own (you do, yes, but once you connect it to thier servers, they have the reight to refuse you) is very different than modifying the hardware on a physical item that you have bought and own. However, it still falls under the software arguement that I just said. Once you try to connect to thier servers, and use their stuff, all bets are off. You should be able to mod the crap out of your X-box, but Microsoft (and any other company) SHOULD have the right to block/ban you from using thier services with a modified box, because that is their property. The box, and it's contents, however, are yours to freely modify.
I'm getting tired of these people saying "they arn't losing money by me copying their music/game/movie/etc..."
Let's put in terms that you can understand then that will null and void said argument of "its just a copy"
If you spend 5 years developing a game and get it put out on the market and it sells for 50 dollars a pop. Now we will times that by 5 mill... comes out to 250,000,000... now lets say you see at most 10% of that... your looking at 25,000,000 dollars in your pocket... YAY IM RICH... thats the most boiled down version of it...
Now lets say you just made said game, sell it for 50 dollars a pop, but now instead of 5 million people buying it only 2 million buy it and the rest pirate it. Sell for a whopping 100,000,000 a lose of 150,000,000 dollars... for you that cames to 10,000,000.
Don't know about you... But I like to keep what i worked for. Yes those number are EXTREMLY exagerated.
But wouldn;t you as the developer look at that as theft? I mean you just spent 5 years of your life making this game and now 3 million people have a copy of said game and you didn't earn anything from it.
Why is it wrong? Because it is just as simple as making a copy of money... in a different way... By not spending money economy doesn't grow i agree that big buisnesses need to give a bit of the money back to the people who helped them get to where they are now. A lot of buisness do that to look good in the public eye as well... But to say "it isnt wrong" that jsut plain stupid. I guess stealing food to survive isn't wrong, i guess sneaking into a movie theater to watch a movie isnt wrong, i guess going over the speed limit isnt illegal either.
I'll admit ive downloaded music. No shocker there A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE.
but your saying stuff like "microsoft bans people cause they play like how they want and im agianst that" fine be that way... But id rather play a game the way it was ment to be played. Not be ruined by some idiot who thinks like you do. Fine you want a xbox 360 and mod hey thats fine. Do it. But you want to play on the internet and your mod gives you a advantage over some one else because it actualyl alters the programing *ex GAME SHARK, GAME GENIE, GAME PRO* Then how is it far for me when I havn;t moded my xbox 360. If you don't wanna get banned DONT MOD. Next time read the ToS and ToA
But frankly I'd do the same thing. get rid of people who want to make things harder for every one else
ToS = Terms of Service
ToA = Terms of Agreement
People for pirating are essentially saying that if they pirate something, the company doesn't lose money (no loss no gain) but they get to play.
You guys are f*cking retarded.
Would you hop on a public bus without paying, and when he asks why you didn't pay the fare, you just say "Oh if I get on, you don't lose money (no loss no gain) but I get to travel." Genius, really.
F*ck people are stupid. Go mow some lawns and pay the programmers for their SERVICE.
Well the thing is this didn't stop the pirates and it actually could have lost some money from MS. Just imagine if all of those people had gold live accounts that is just 50 million they could have just lost. Most people who are smart enough to Mod their xbox knows that they can get banned from xbox live. SO 1 mill out of the 31 million have modded out their stuff? That is just crazy. So now all these people still can burn games they just cant connect to live oh noes man that has to suck.lol not really when you can play all the free games you want.
MS should filed charges against them so each of them would be fined or be in jail. Until something like that happens you know people will still do it.
You sound like every other person who thinks its right to steal... "i deserve it... i worked hard for it" B.S. Like i wanna hear "i think its right to steal to survive" WRONG... I have lived on the streets. There are places that gives out free palces to sleep, free food, and they even help you get your life back together.
All you are is a leacher and whinner that wants everything and given to him. It's people like you that make things harder for every one else. Go troll some where else. You already proven you have to try and insult and as far as forum posting goes. You got no skill there either. All im reading is a wall of text... and im done BYE... wall of text = useless babble.
Come up with something that actually has a rebutle and not something you think is right. MS banning people is their right. Music producers and bands suing P2P developers good for them. People getting put in jail for messing up 3rd time GOOD.
All your proving is that your lazy and want things given to you for free. Also learn to read forum rules. I don't wanna sit hear reading a wall of text or you cursing off to no end.
Well the thing is this didn't stop the pirates and it actually could have lost some money from MS. Just imagine if all of those people had gold live accounts that is just 50 million they could have just lost. Most people who are smart enough to Mod their xbox knows that they can get banned from xbox live. SO 1 mill out of the 31 million have modded out their stuff? That is just crazy. So now all these people still can burn games they just cant connect to live oh noes man that has to suck.lol not really when you can play all the free games you want.
MS should filed charges against them so each of them would be fined or be in jail. Until something like that happens you know people will still do it.
Hey more power to them. But hey if a person want's to waste money let them.
Frankly every ID tag on the x-box should have been perma banned as well. As for as the whole "File a lawsuit" goes... they will just find another way to get around it.
The only real way to stop it... Make every one suffer due to it. If you get put in prison and 1 person messes up... usually the entire block suffers from it. Good way to make enemies about it. If big buisness wants to stop punishing the people who want to buy the game along with the piraters. Then they could oh i don't know double the prices for the games. Hell I would if it hurts me... Then so be it.
Then that just means another buisness will come along and have the same treatment. Until there is a sure fire way to prevent it. Its never going to stop. Until we can get rid of every single lazy loafer who wants others to do stuff for them and get stuff for free cause they were abused as a child or some silly reason. Yea... never will happen.
An interesting sidebar to this conversation is that many of those banned Xboxes will end up being traded in and resold. Buyer beware, since there's really no way to check if a box has been banned without actually attempting to connect to Xbox Live.
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/11/cheap-to-good-home-used-360-pirated-games-slightly-banned.ars
~Ripper
If I remember right, i talked to a game stop employee and asked about that. While it does happen that a x-box slips through pirated, they usually test the system out thoughraly before reselling it.
But yea better off buying a new x-box then a used one. Ive gotten a hold of used ones that were banned took them back for them to have to scrap the xbox as it now has zero resell value.
2 words to the people who got banned :
Good Ridance
Arrr, I am a pirate!
www.youtube.com/watch
Seriously though, I don't use pirated games because the risk of being banned is not worth it, but my heart goes out to these people. Someday in the future information will be free, created out of love of the art and given freely to everyone. This includes music, movies, books, ect anything that can be turned into data and put on the internet will be free. When that day comes people will look back at these "pirates" with pride in the human spirit to change what should be changed no matter what the "law" is.
I salute you Pirates!
the world needs to crack down harder on criminals, cutting off thieves hands is highly effective, once you have no hands you have a hell of a time stealing anything.
Really, this is incompatible within the capitalism, a total abomination to it so it will never happen with AAA games (as there's lots of games in the format you mentioned). Not the case of discussion here anyway, meanwhile we get charged more and more for purely digital stuff like DLCs, MMO item malls, so I think the trend is quite the opposite, especially as cloud computing becomes possible, if this becomes the norm of game distribution, we won't even own the digital copy of a game anymore so even piracy may become something impossible.
who plays on Xbox?
PS3 is the least someone could go..
Pirating a game is the same as if you went into the store and stuck it under your shirt and walked out.
You just have an almost zero chance of being prosecuted if caught which is why people do it.
People already put things on the internet for the love of their art. In the case of software it's called open source. It's usually poorly documented, occasionally directionless, and not always organized. But it's there, it's free, and it's plenty useful and enjoyable.
This is something different. This is the business of commodities. People here produce things for other people to enjoy with the intent of earning money. When you make use of their products without paying for them, they are robbed of the money they earned with their efforts. Lying to oneself and being a self-righteous prick about deserving it, or the seller being greedy, or however else piracy is supposedly justified these days is not idealism. It's childish. Grow up, and figure out that there are only two right choices: Either you pay for the product and you use it, or you don't pay for it and you live without it.
As for programmers having already been paid? Sure, maybe they have. But when profits aren't what the company expected, businessmen and women start making projections, and maybe they downscale. So sure. While I was developing your game for two years of my life, working overtime and just trying to make a living doing what I enjoy, you didn't steal my paycheck. You just helped guarantee that some portion of the people in my position at a company won't have a job next year. Programmers aren't rich. Getting laid off hurts them just as much as any other workforce.
So go ahead. Tell me that when I have to see a friend wondering about how he's going to put a roof over his head, or feed his family three months from now, that you did the right thing.
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So many misconceptions in this thread.
Modding your xbox IS NOT illegal.
However, it IS against the xbox live TOS, which you agree to when signing up for it.
Stupid is what stupid does.
Ownership of a valid copyright A plaintiff establishes ownership by authorship (by the plaintiff itself or by one who assigned rights to the plaintiff) of (1) an original work of authorship that is (2) fixed in a tangible medium (e.g. a book or musical recording). Registration is not required for copyright itself, but in most cases is a jurisdictional requirement to bring the suit. Registration is also useful because it gives rise to the presumption of a valid copyright, and eliminates the innocent infringement defense, and (if timely made) it allows the plaintiff to elect statutory damages, and to be eligible for a possible award of attorney fees.
Works that are not sufficiently original, or which constitute facts, a method or process cannot enjoy copy protection.[21]. U.S. Courts do not recognize the "sweat of the brow" doctrine, which originally allowed protection for those who labored to collect and organize facts. To combat this, business which assemble databases of information have relied on contract law where copyright law offers no protection.[22] For a work to be original, it must possess a "modicum of creativity", which is a "low threshold" although some creativity must exist.[23]
Copyright protects the fixed expression of ideas, but not the ideas themselves.[24] (Ideas are protected by patents). Nevertheless, an expression must exist in a fixed tangible medium.[25] A movie script writer who discusses a plot idea which has not yet been written would not be protected if another heard his idea and wrote a screenplay himself. Whether RAM constitutes a "fixed medium" is a contentious issue in copyright litigation because of the transitory nature of RAM.[26]
Actual copying A plaintiff establishes actual copying with direct or indirect evidence. Direct evidence is satisfied either by a defendant's admission to copying or the testimony of witnesses who observed the defendant in the act. More commonly, a plaintiff relies on circumstantial or indirect evidence. A court will infer copying by a showing of a "striking similarity" between the copyrighted work and the alleged copy, along with a showing of both access and use of that access.[27] A plaintiff may establish access by proof of distribution over a large geographical area, or by eyewitness testimony that the defendant owned a copy of the protected work. Access alone is not sufficient to establish infringement. The plaintiff must show a similarity between the two works, and the degree of similarity will affect the probability that illicit copying in fact occurred in the court's eyes.[28] Even then, the plaintiff must show that the copying amounted to improper appropriation. Indeed, the US Supreme Court has held that not all copying constitutes infringement and a showing of misappropriation is necessary.[29]
Misappropriation A copyrighted work may contain elements which are not copyrightable, such as facts, ideas, themes, or content in the public domain. A plaintiff alleging misappropriation must first demonstrate that what the defendant appropriated from the copyrighted work was protectible. Second, a plaintiff must show that the intended audience will recognize substantial similarities between the two works. The intended audience may be the general public, or a specialized field. The degree of similarity necessary for a court to find misappropriation is not easily defined. Indeed, "the test for infringement of a copyright is of necessity vague."[30] Two methods are used to determine if unlawful appropriation has occurred: the subtractive method and the totality method.
The subtractive method, also known as the "abstraction/subtraction approach" seeks to analyze what parts of a copyrighted work are protectible and which are not.[31] The unprotected elements are subtracted and the fact finder then determines whether substantial similarities exist in the protectible expression which remains. For instance, if the copyright holder for West Side Story alleged infringement, the elements of that musical borrowed from Romeo and Juliet would be subtracted before comparing it to the allegedly infringing work because Romeo and Juliet exists in the public domain.
The totality method, also known as the "total concept and feel" approach takes the work as a whole with all elements included when determining if a substantial similarity exists.[32] The individual elements of the alleged infringing work may by themselves be substantially different from their corresponding part in the copyrighted work, but nevertheless taken together be a clear misappropriation of copyrightable material.[33]
Modern courts may sometimes use both methods in its analysis of misappropriation.[34] In other instances, one method may find misappropriation while the other would not, making misappropriation a contentious topic in infringement litigation.[35]
You keep telling yourself that it's not a crime.
You still think you're right? I just posted that you are wrong, and yet you still think you're right.
(1) an original work of authorship that is (2) fixed in a tangible medium (e.g. a book or musical recording).
Your picture was funny, but your logic is flawed. Consider the process by which laws forbidding specific actions are formed:
1. An action is claimed to be harmful to others, either by way of its primary, secondary, maybe even tertiary or more distant effects.
2. The effects of this action are examined, and if they do indeed cause harm to others:
3. A proposal is written up to pass a law prohibiting said action.
Here's a hint: This applies to financial damages as well, and it doesn't matter how much or little money the person had to begin with, as ethics aren't relative.
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I love this Anti-Piracy Paladins!
Are they just as pure as they want everyone to believe?
My pc is a mix of paid, free and pirated software. I don't deny it, I am not like some ppl that goes with the old "Pirating Software is theft" , I know that is wrong but If I had to buy everything for my pc I wouldn't had cash for my baby dippers. I need my software's for my pc to run without any problems, I need my games for my free time.When I can I buy a game but most time I can't, like I said my baby needs dipper, So i just DL.
If game prices and Software price weren't so expensive I would actually buy them.
A simple fact, in my country the minimun wage goes for around some lousy 500€, Windows Home Edition is around 140€, is that fair?
"you are like the world revenge on sarcasm, you know that?"
One of those great lines from The Secret World
That doesn't make any sense. If this were correct things like smoking, driving (burning gas, pollution) and similar thing would be illegal since they fall under 1 and 2.
Driving is not against the law, and in some places, smoking in public areas(bar, baseballgame) is.
That doesn't make any sense. If this were correct things like smoking, driving (burning gas, pollution) and similar thing would be illegal since they fall under 1 and 2.
Driving is not against the law, and in some places, smoking in public areas(bar, baseballgame) is.
Yes, but going by 1 and 2, both SHOULD be illegal!
Has anyone proved that the pollution from driving has caused harm?
Perhaps 2 and 3 would have been better worded
2: The practical benifits (if any) of the action are weighed against the harm caused by it
3: The action is prohibited or measures are put into place to minimize the impact.
Hence we have traffic laws, and laws against smoking in public places.
In general, piracy does not have practical benefits outside of fulfilling one's selfish desires, in which case the situation boils down to the three points I presented before.
Aside: Piracy does not magically become legal because children (intellectually and ethically speaking) on the internet say it is.
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That doesn't make any sense. If this were correct things like smoking, driving (burning gas, pollution) and similar thing would be illegal since they fall under 1 and 2.
Driving is not against the law, and in some places, smoking in public areas(bar, baseballgame) is.
Yes, but going by 1 and 2, both SHOULD be illegal!
Has anyone proved that the pollution from driving has caused harm?
How ignorant can you get, of course if causes harm. Very slowly mind you, but it does. Every day you are breathing in fumes from the exhaust of cars, trucks, factorys etc.
Anyway, standing by my what I said. File sharing is not illegal. A lot of people just think it is because they have been brain washed into believing that.
So argue all you want, I know it's not your fault. It is what they have made you believe!
How is file sharing not illegal? I JUST FUCKING PROVED YOU WRONG. Brain washed? Do you believe in the tooth fairy?
Every day I breath in fume from the exhaust of cars, trucks, factorys. GO BACK TO SCHOOL.