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Need help finding my kind of mmo (I'm picky)
MadAce
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I trying to find an mmo to fit my limited tastes. Any help would be greatly appreciated as I've been away from the mmo scene for quite some time now.
Here's my likes:
- Pvp
- The ability to make unique characters: I don't like it when I grind all the way to the fun stuff and my character was bound to end up like any of the few acceptable builds all along. Want to do some thinking/experimenting/nichefinding on my own. I'm not talking about appearance btw.
- Player driven conflict: I really dislike it when the devs say "Fight that faction/realm/guild/whatever. Why? Because we said so." I liked Shadowbane because it involved player made cities about which the wars revolved.
- Casual play: I sadly enough don't have the time to fully commit to a game. Being able to log on for half an hour and still get something done is a big pro.
- Fun before the endgame
- Sci-fi: Not a must, but would be nice.
- Other people: I'd like to notice I'm playing an MMO.
- Something easy on the good ol' comp: My poor machine can't handle all the new graphics violence of the games of today... At all...
Games I've tried so far or that I've contemplated:
LOTRO: Just tried it because people kept saying it's good. Was amazing that it ran so well on my comp (lowest settings were still good looking). Didn't like it because there was no prospect of real PvP(1) and (3). Was in doubt about (2) too.
Star Wars Galaxies: Looked nice, tho laggy on my comp. Not a lot of people around so it would seem. No (2). Shame, because it had player run cities.
Darkfall online: Comp can't run it. Shame.
EVE: A favorite of mine. Tried it a few times in the past. A shame it's the complete antithesis of casual play. Would require way too much of my time to get some quality PvP time.
Ryzom: Wow. What a great game. Awesome community. Genius character building. Intuitive and fun crafting. But fat too little PvP it would seem. The outpost battles are told to be more sporadic than often.
Dark Age Of Camelot: I've thought about trying it. But I've been told it's supposed to be a perpetual war between 3 sides. Kinda the devs telling who to fight and why. Also wondering whether it would have what I disliked most about Shadowbane: Basically the period needed to grind until at a good enough level to do some PvP. A waste of time really.
WAR: I bet my comp can't handle it.
City of Heroes: Found it kinda boring TBH. And to me it seemed like it was going to have a case of lacking (2).
Fallen Earth: Can't run it.
Planetside: Currently subbed. Enjoying it. I'm afraid tho, that it will get repetitive at some point in the very near future.
Anarchy Online: Big question mark. Good PvP? Active community? Good diversity in character creation?
So that's it. I have no idea what to try next. Let the suggestions come! TNX in advance.
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It's a shame your PC can't run Fallen Earth because that seems like it would be right up your alley judging by your description.
Sadly, I can't think of much else.
I would say try Aion although some of your likes won't be met....
4. Leveling in Aion isnt easy which means most casual gamers will find leveling fairly slow. If thats not a problem for you, you'll be fine
6. Aion is far from a sci-fi lol
8. This might be an issue but I've heard Aion runs very well on older PCs. Then again if you plan to get into some big pvp battles you might have problems...
"I play Tera for the gameplay"
And the whole fact that one of his biggest things is PVP and Aion doesn't have the kind of meaningful PVP he's looking for.
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And the whole fact that one of his biggest things is PVP and Aion doesn't have the kind of meaningful PVP he's looking for.
In whos opition? Let him decide that...What you think doesnt mean he'll think the same. IMO Aion has very meaningful PVP
So much Aion hate man...Dontcha all have lives? lol
"I play Tera for the gameplay"
-Sorry but i dont think there are meny mmo's out there that fit your list :S
Upgrade your pc and more games will be available to you :P
Why are there so many cutesie, fantasy, childish MMO's. Give me blood, gore and a long lasting challenge. I don't need my hand being held along the way. Thanks.
If your computer can't handle Darkfall... which has min requirements like
Operating System: Windows XP, Vista
Processor: 2.5GHz Pentium 4, or equivalent
RAM: 1GB for Windows XP, 2GB for Windows Vista
Graphics Card: 128MB PixelShader 2.0 support
Hard Drive Space: 12 GB Free Space Minimum
What can anyone possibly recommend? Try this game Allods, it's free and it looks decent for what it is (it's not much)
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And the whole fact that one of his biggest things is PVP and Aion doesn't have the kind of meaningful PVP he's looking for.
In whos opition? Let him decide that...What you think doesnt mean he'll think the same. IMO Aion has very meaningful PVP
So much Aion hate man...Dontcha all have lives? lol
You can have that opinion, but what's the meaning behind it?
BTW: He can't run, WAR, DF, and FE.... it's safe to say he can't run AION anyway.
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About my comp: It could run LOTRO! Well, that's a game quite known for its scalable engine.
The thing is, I only have 512MB RAM. That's the killer. I might be able to play DFO and Aion (also said to be easy on the specs) but I'm not entirely sure I would be able to comfortably play in situations where there's more than a few players on screen.
Besides, mmo's are supposed to stay online for quite a long time. It's hard to believe any of the oldies don't offer the stuff I'm looking for.
BTW, thanks for everyone's suggestions.
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Pvp - Sorry can't help, just don't find PvP in MMOs enjoyable
The ability to make unique characters: I don't like it when I grind all the way to the fun stuff and my character was bound to end up like any of the few acceptable builds all along. Want to do some thinking/experimenting/nichefinding on my own. I'm not talking about appearance btw.
LotRO, CoX, CO, AoC, EQ have fairly good customization.
Player driven conflict: I really dislike it when the devs say "Fight that faction/realm/guild/whatever. Why? Because we said so." I liked Shadowbane because it involved player made cities about which the wars revolved.
AoC, EQ... hmmm.
Casual play: I sadly enough don't have the time to fully commit to a game. Being able to log on for half an hour and still get something done is a big pro.
Kind of conflicts with your other points but... AoC, CoX, CO, EQ2.
Fun before the endgame
AoC, CoX, CO, LotRO
Sci-fi: Not a must, but would be nice... Good cause its a very short list.
Other people: I'd like to notice I'm playing an MMO.
AoC, CO, CoX, Aion, EQ
Something easy on the good ol' comp: My poor machine can't handle all the new graphics violence of the games of today... At all...
CoX, EQ, LotRO
Personally its a good time to be jumping into LotRO but it fails a lot of your criteria.
And the whole fact that one of his biggest things is PVP and Aion doesn't have the kind of meaningful PVP he's looking for.
In whos opition? Let him decide that...What you think doesnt mean he'll think the same. IMO Aion has very meaningful PVP
So much Aion hate man...Dontcha all have lives? lol
Your reading comprehension is woefully lacking.
"Player driven conflict: I really dislike it when the devs say "Fight that faction/realm/guild/whatever. Why? Because we said so." I liked Shadowbane because it involved player made cities about which the wars revolved."
That part, where he said what he really dislikes...um...THAT IS EXACTLY HOW THE PVP IS IN AION. 3 factions, fighting because...um...they were told to do so. Period. Asmos fight Elyos who fight Balur...because they are supposed to. That's how the game is built.
Seriously, the attempt to pawn Aion off on people is just starting to look really pathetic and desperate. Not every contrary opinion to yours on a matter relating to Aion is an attack on the game, or 'Aion hate'. Get a grip.
I'm sorry to say this but i agree with vaske1984, you're just asking for a bit much as thing stand.
Numbers 5 and 7 on your list we could ignore, most gamers want this in their games. Number 5 is basically avoiding WOW clones (far from easy) and 7 is just picking the right server.
Numbers 3 and 4 contradict each other, 3 is something you usually only get as a part of top guilds which 4 would make difficult.
Likewise 2 and 8 contradict each other as well, while some games age well, and have some staying power, 2 basically depends on the game being new enough most stuff hasn't been figured out, which doesn't mix well with 8. You could try an old succesful stapple with a deep enough system to give you both 2 and 8, but you could very likely only do so at the expense of everything else.
8 also gets you in trouble with 6, as sci fi remains something of a niche and most good options are upcoming releases. The thing about 6 is most good choices you've ruled out yourself.
Finally, do you mean 1 to be twitch based or balanced? If PvP really is your thing i would consider looking at games which are PvP-centric and making your choice amongst those. Once again 8 is your main drawback if you're looking for something other than 1v1.
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I speak for myself and no one else, unless i state otherwise mine is just an opinion. A fact is something that can be independently verified, you may challenge such but with proof. You have every right to disagree with me through sound argument, i believe in constructive debate, but baseless aggression will warrant an unkind response.
I guess you're right. I can check out PvP games and then compromise. BTW, Planetside runs quite well on my comp and there's a lot of people onscreen at the same time.
PVP IT IS.
So which are the PvP games that still have a following?
Considering the new client I'm not sure whether my comp can run EVE.
DAOC: Not player driven... But fun?
Does Anarchy Online have PvP at all? (asking because it's old, has a community and is sci-fi)
Any PvP MMO's I'm forgetting?
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Hah. I bet you would love Chronicles of Spellborn. The gameplay is great. Seems however the game missed the boat with advertising. Not alot of people play. Excellent twitch PvP game though with some sci-fi/fantasy blends thrown in there to make up a decent storyline.
Not a grinder either. Your computer sounds like its holding you back though. LOTRO on all minimum settings? Sounds like youre playing on a 4 year old craptop. Upgrade if you want to game. That systems good for processing excel spreadsheets and giving power point presentations.
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-Ok let me give you my oppinion of your list.
1. for world pvp or arena/battlegrounds or what ever the mmo have you always need decent PC because as you know PvP=meny players on one place= 0 fps for slow PC=fail
2. not meny games have that kind of character unique abilitys so you can be that diffrent from other players of same class/sub class if that what you meant, and for grinding? what did you mean grind to the fun part? do you find fun part to be endgame? or leveling/questing? crafting? you need to be more precise about what you see as fun in mmo.
3. i never played mmo where i had to pvp because game creators said so O.o.
4. 95% of todays mmo's are for casual players.
5. i think that most mmo's have meny fun things to do before endgame.
8. you cant be picky about games if you have low spec PC imo.
I'd recommend WoW or Team Fortress 2. I don't think there are any MMOs with "meaningful" PvP. The most meaning you are going to find is grinding for gear, in which case you will always be behind if you only play casually. I suggest TF2 because its balanced very well and can be played casually, but still based on class combat and teamwork. Plus it has a great deal of variety and is free to play once you install.
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I can suggest one game that fits most of these requirements, but I'm probably going to get bashed for saying it here...
Guild Wars
It fits all of the criteria except 6 and possibly 7. As the game's title suggests the main PvP attraction is the Guild vs Guild battles, as well as many other pvp types. The skill system would suit your need for #2, as your character can learn thousands of skills but you can only pick 8 skills to put on your bar before going into a zone or pvp--almost guaranteeing that your build is unique to your play-style (granted there are the flavor-of-the-month builds in high-end pvp).
For #3, there again is the gvg; its a ladder based system and there are no towns to build/raid/destroy, but its highly competitive and player driven and includes monthly tournaments for bragging rights and shiny ornaments to your character. Also for #3, if you get GW: Factions, you have access to Alliance Battles where it does put you into faction v. faction combat, but it is highly infectious as the players will take on roles for the side and sling slurs at the opposing side--also, if your alliance is powerful enough, you can control towns for prestige and a hefty discount at the trader.
As to #4 (and this is the reason I'm probably going to get lampooned) the PvE, and some PvP modes are very causal because the game is purely instanced. Each combat/adventure zone you go into is your own instance. That said, however, it also means less grind quests, there are almost no 'kill 10 wombat, and bring me their teeth' style quests, and each quest--even seemingly minor ones--help to advance the story or the game lore. It may seem like that would be less casual friendly, but he way the story is segmented makes it so you can log off and pick up again with ease. The instanced gameplay is also why I said it may fail regarding #7; only when you are in towns and outposts will you see other players, otherwise the only other players you will see in pve is your party. But this does not mean there is a lack of players, as with most MMOs the major number of players will center around the major trade-posts, and many will seek guilds and alliances.
For the fun before end-game, this is accomplished through GW's low level cap. There are only 20 character levels. This means that you will reach the level cap long before you hit the end-game; which also means that you will be able to compete in pvp with that character. And even then there are ways for more instant gratification; you can role a PvP only character that starts at max lvl and stats with access to max weapons and armor--your character just wont be all nice 'n shiny since you will only have the basic armor and weapon skins.
And for compatibility, I don't think there would be any problems since GW was designed to play well at dial-up speeds, and scales very well in terms of graphics.
Yet the people who I know who play mmo's play wow and they are lawyers and heads of marketing and other occupations along similar lines. As a point of note, they actually did move out of their mother's basement.
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I think you've touched upon every game that someone might suggest. Guild Wars would be a possibility as it has pvp and you can experiment with builds. Also a casual player would have no problems playing it.
However, the conflict isn't really player driven as it is more about arena based pvp. Also, you will only see people in either the arena areas (or maps) or in the city/town hubs as the world itself is instanced to your party.
Also, in answer to the individual who remarked about not ever being told to fight someone in a game, I think the op is talking about the difference between premade enemy factions (wow; aliance/horde, Aion, Asmo/Elyos, DAoC, the 3 factions, etc) over a game like Shadowbane, Eve or Lineage 2 where you decide who is an enemy or friend based upon your own criteria.
OP, it looks like a new computer is in your future. The good thing is that you don't have to break the bank to purchase one that will run newer games on "ok" settings. If you need to put money aside then that will still get you a reasonable machine in 6 months to a year's time, depending on your financial situation.
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try AO dude i havnt been on in a while but im sure its still active plus if you want sci-fi that game will surely deliver.
I guess you're right. I can check out PvP games and then compromise. BTW, Planetside runs quite well on my comp and there's a lot of people onscreen at the same time.
PVP IT IS.
So which are the PvP games that still have a following?
Considering the new client I'm not sure whether my comp can run EVE.
DAOC: Not player driven... But fun?
Does Anarchy Online have PvP at all? (asking because it's old, has a community and is sci-fi)
Any PvP MMO's I'm forgetting?
Personally i like PvP as well so i'll be moving to Aion. I do have some strong roots on f2p grinders tho, so i'm not sure that would be the right game for you. Can't say anything bout AO or DAoC myself, think i would pick WAR if i was considering those games but don't know what the current situation is like. My advice would be for you to stick to Planetside if you've found it works for your rig and that you can enjoy it. Try the EVE trial to see if your comp can handle it and make it plan B, i know you're looking for something more casual friendly, but you can train skills while you switch in between EVE and Planetside.
My advice would be to look at this as a short term solution however. If you can afford to keep up with one or two subs chances are you can upgrade your hardware without too much sacrifices in the 6-12 month horizon. Try looking at what options are best for you and give it some thought. Going to the f2p circuit for a while might be worth it if it allows you to save a bit towards a beter system.
Just don't get too attached to any game with RMT in it, EVE included.
Just to make things clear...
I speak for myself and no one else, unless i state otherwise mine is just an opinion. A fact is something that can be independently verified, you may challenge such but with proof. You have every right to disagree with me through sound argument, i believe in constructive debate, but baseless aggression will warrant an unkind response.
I think you've touched upon every game that someone might suggest. Guild Wars would be a possibility as it has pvp and you can experiment with builds. Also a casual player would have no problems playing it.
However, the conflict isn't really player driven as it is more about arena based pvp. Also, you will only see people in either the arena areas (or maps) or in the city/town hubs as the world itself is instanced to your party.
Also, in answer to the individual who remarked about not ever being told to fight someone in a game, I think the op is talking about the difference between premade enemy factions (wow; aliance/horde, Aion, Asmo/Elyos, DAoC, the 3 factions, etc) over a game like Shadowbane, Eve or Lineage 2 where you decide who is an enemy or friend based upon your own criteria.
OP, it looks like a new computer is in your future. The good thing is that you don't have to break the bank to purchase one that will run newer games on "ok" settings. If you need to put money aside then that will still get you a reasonable machine in 6 months to a year's time, depending on your financial situation.
The point you've made about GW are valid as I've asked a buddy who's been playing for years. He said I probably wouldn't like the instanced nature of many of the game features.
I haven't considered Lineage 2. I'll check it out. It's one of those "choose your enemy/friend" games i I'm not mistaken.
BTW, I'm already saving up for some time. The system I'm saving for is an overclocked i7, with 12 GB of ram and probably two high end cards in SLI. Funny thing is that I will rarely use it for games as it's intended for 3D modelling/rendering (hence I have a few comps in reserve for a mini render farm) and video sfx/editing. Till I have that system I need to occupy myself with an mmo. Without having the system to play one.
Originally posted by Caleveira
Personally i like PvP as well so i'll be moving to Aion. I do have some strong roots on f2p grinders tho, so i'm not sure that would be the right game for you. Can't say anything bout AO or DAoC myself, think i would pick WAR if i was considering those games but don't know what the current situation is like. My advice would be for you to stick to Planetside if you've found it works for your rig and that you can enjoy it. Try the EVE trial to see if your comp can handle it and make it plan B, i know you're looking for something more casual friendly, but you can train skills while you switch in between EVE and Planetside.
My advice would be to look at this as a short term solution however. If you can afford to keep up with one or two subs chances are you can upgrade your hardware without too much sacrifices in the 6-12 month horizon. Try looking at what options are best for you and give it some thought. Going to the f2p circuit for a while might be worth it if it allows you to save a bit towards a beter system.
Just don't get too attached to any game with RMT in it, EVE included.
Playing both PS and EVE? At the same time? Two subscriptions? That's steep isn't it?
It's tempting, tho.I already know EVE, enjoy PS. But I'd rather use the money to save up for a better system. 15 a month won't make THAT much of a difference, bu every penny counts. I've been thinking about F2P games but the problem is that I'd have to try one hell of games. There's a lot of them, and most of them don't have a big advertising budget so it's hard to find people who've played it and have judged it.
Anyways. I guess I'll check out EVE (third trial over all those years). And DAOC just to be sure.
Probably gonna end up playing PS for the time being, tho. Thanks anyways for all the help.
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